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Ethiopia's 'birth defect', Eritrea's 'birth defect', every African countires 'birth defect' and the flawed Flawed bravado of OPDO elite


Brother DefendTheTruth has been posting a lot lately about Eritrea's borders and the 'birth defect' of Eritrea.


When was Eritrea born?


Eritrea was found in 1889 as Colonia Eritrea. Eritrea's borders with neighboring countries are largely defined by a series of colonial treaties. Key treaties shaping the Eritrean-Ethiopian border include the 1900, 1902, and 1908 treaties, each delineating specific sections of the border. The 1900 treaty set the "Mareb-Belesa-Muna" line as the border, while the 1902 treaty covered the western sector, and the 1908 treaty addressed the eastern sector.

Ethiopian borders are also results of colonial treaties. The key treaties include: the 1900, 1902, and 1908 treaties with Italy; The Tripartite Treaty of 1906 signed by Britain, France and Italy; the Rodd Treaty of 1897 with Britain. Every inch of Ethiopian border is a result of colonial treaty and Ethiopia does not have border treaties with the peoples of Kenya, Somalia, Sudan and Djibouti.

Colonial treaties based borders [the birth defect] is not unique to Eritrea and Ethiopia. Every country in Africa has borders based on colonial treaties. "The African continent today has some 83,500 km of political land borders, drawn up in a short quarter of a century (1885-1909). These chancellorial borders were established by Europe on unrecognizable maps and, above all, without prior field survey. The states that participated in drawing these borders were, in order of influence, France (32%) and the United Kingdom (26.8%), that is, almost 60% between them. Next are Germany (8.7%), Belgium (7.6%: the mention of Belgium includes those companies ruled by Leopold II) and Portugal (6.9%), that is, nearly 82% for these 5 states named. Ottoman Turkey (4%) Italy (1.7%) and Spain (1.5%) complete the African border map. The Europeans made maps of the African geographical contours and began to draw lines and write names on them which they called countries."


Pre 'birth-defect' borders of African borders and Post 'birth-defect' African borders




Therefore, what Defend calls Eritrea's ' birth defect' is every African country's birth defect as every centimeter of African border is a result of agreement with or among colonialists. The OAU (Organization of African Unity), and later the AU (African Union), formally adopted the principle of respecting colonial borders, a concept known as uti possidetis juris. This principle essentially means that the existing colonial boundaries should be respected and considered inviolable upon the achievement of independence. This was intended to prevent conflict and instability in the newly independent African states.

The essence of sovereignty and statehood fundamental concept of post 20th century world politics. America is the worlds most powerful country but it could not erase Cuba's sovereignty and statehood regardless how close it is to American border.

Matthew 7:3-5 says:

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite!

Eritrea is an entity with a birth defect, it can never attain a normalcy hence after. The last over 35 years is only a testimony to this very fact. The old man can spend all he has but will never be able to straighten what was deformed at birth. The birth of Eritrea has to be revisited, reanalyzed and a meaningful solution should be sought.

Only because the time has elapsed over a long period of time can not legitimize the entity that was born with incurable defect.

Having colonial borders and being a colonial founded country is not a birth defect as many countries in the world have have shown that these countries can be peaceful, successful and effective.

[Abere]

ከስብሃት ነጋ ልጆች እና ታህት ( ዐባይ ትግራይ) ደቀመዛሙርት አንደበት ስሁት ትርክት። እነ ስብሃት እና ልጆቹ ኢትዮጵያ የቀይባህር ጠረፍ እና አሰብን ወደ ቀዳማዊ ሃይለ ስላሴ እና ደርግ ይዞታዋ ለመመስ ጦርነት ብትገባ ኤርትራ በርሃ ገብተው ኢትዮጵያን ይዋጋሉ። በመሰረቱ ሌላ ሌላውን የታሪክ ማስረጃ ማጣቀስ ሳያስፈልግ ጣልያን ከኢትዮጵያ ጋር ጦርነት ስትገባ ሁሉ የዕዳ በደል ደብዳቤ ተቀዷል ( የሚሰራ አንዳች ውል የለም) በመቀጠል ከጣልያን በኋላ ኢትዮጵያ የኤርትራ ክ/ሀገር አስተዳዳሪ እና አንዷ ክ/ሀገር ነች። ኢትዮጵያ ህገ-መንግስታዊ መንግስት ቢኖራት 1) ኤርትራ የመገንጠል ጥያቂ የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ህገ-መንግስታዊ መሰረት ያደረገ ይሆናል፡ 2) ኢትዮጵያ እንደ ቀኝ ገዥ የምትታይ ከሆነ በቀኝ ገዥዎች በጎፍቃድ መሰረት ያደረገ ህጋዊ ፍች ይፈጸም ነበር።
የተደረገው ነገር ቢኖር ኢትዮጵያን በጋራ ሲወጉ የነበሩ ሁለት ሽፍታዎች በድንሀት ባዶ አገር ሲያገኙ ዝርፊያ ፈጸሙ። የተዘረፈ ደግሞ በግድ ይመለሳል።
በአፍሪካ ሁለት ጥንታዊ አገሮች አሉ - ግብጽ እና ኢትዮጵያ። ሌሎ የተመድ የፈጠራቸው ከ1960ዎቹ ወዲህ የተወለዱ ናቸው። ተገድራ ወይም ጉድ ሁነው የተመድ ስለወለዳቸው ለይቶ ማውራት ይሻላል።

ወያኔዎች ከዘፈን አንፈር ካልሆነ በስተቀር አንዳች የሚያኮራ ወይም ልብ ሞልቶ መናገር የሚያስችል ታሪክ የላችሁም። የትግሬ እና የትግራይን ህዝብ አንገት የሚያስደፋ ታሪክ ነው ያላችሁ። በተላላኪነት የኢትዮጵያን የቀይ ባህር ጠረፍ ለአናሳ አላማ ያዋላችሁ ናችሁ። አፍሮ መቀመጥም አንድ ትልቅ ጥበብ ነበር።

[Dark Energy]

ragazza sarcastica,

Di' loro, tesoro, che i babbuini sono troppo stupidi per capire leggi internazionali così semplici.

[sarcasm]

በአፍሪካ ሁለት ጥንታዊ አገሮች አሉ - ግብጽ እና ኢትዮጵያ። ሌሎ የተመድ የፈጠራቸው ከ1960ዎቹ ወዲህ የተወለዱ ናቸው። ተገድራ ወይም ጉድ ሁነው የተመድ ስለወለዳቸው ለይቶ ማውራት ይሻላል።

"What the ancient Romans and Greeks called 'Ethiopia' is the Kingdom of Axum - the current Tigray and Eritrea."

Look at the map! Do you see the current Ethiopia on the map of the Kingdom of Axum? No. You only see the current Tigray and Eritrea! That is what ancient peoples and scholars meant by 'Ethiopia'.

[Affable]

Eden, are you saying Eritreans and Tigreans are the only Ethiopians, and the rest no one knows where they come from. Well, I am not an historian ; I am not capable of challenging your theory. I let it slide.

[DefendTheTruth]

Eritrea, as we know it today, we were told to have been born after "successfully having divorced" from Ethiopia and therein lies the biggest defect of all. To get divorced you need also a proper settlement of your previous marriage. Else there will be always a challenge to your entire life of existence after the claimed independence.

Eritrea didn't take the right course of separating itself from the motherland. Therein lies no doubt! Hence a birth defect.

[Abere]

የእፉኝት እናት ጡት ነካሹ ገብረኪዳን ደስታ የፀረ-ኢትዮጵያዊነት ትርክት። ለወያኔ ማኒፌስቶ ይረዳ ዘንድ በኢ-ታሪካዊ ወይም በኢ-ሳይንሳዊ መንገድ የፈጠራ ትርክት ወይም ታሪካን ወደሚፈልጉት ግብ የማጠማዘዝ ስራ ለመከወን ይረዳ ዘንድ የተራገብ ስሁት ፕሮፓጋንዳ - የበርካታ ትግሬዎችን አእምሮ የበከለ አስተምሮ ነው።
የመርዛማው ምላስ ገብረኪዳን ደስታ የሞት በለስ ዛፍ ፍሬ አፍርቶ የትግራይ ጦርነት አቧራ አስንስቶ 1 ሚልዮን ትግሬ ነፍስ ሲበላ ገብረኪዳን የዘራው ዘር ፍሬ በዐይኑ እያየ ወደ ማይቀረው አለም ሄደ ። እፉኝት የእፉኝት ልጆች በእራሳቸው መርዝ ይቀሰፋሉ - ፍሬያቸው መራራ እና መርዛማ ነው።

ወደ ቀደመው ነገር ልመለስ---
አክሱም የሚባ የአገር ስም የለም - አኩስም በአንድ የታሪክ ወቅት የኢትዮጵያ ዋና ከተማ ነበረች። ትግራይ የሚባል አገር የለም። በእሩቅ ታሪል ታሪክ ትግሬ የሚባል አገርም ጎሳም የለም። ኤርትራም የጣልያን ስያሜ እንጅ ኤርትራ የሚባል አገር ወይም ህዝብ የለም።

የገብረኪዳን ልጆች ግን መለስ ዜናዊ "አክሱም ለጉራጌ ወይም ሃዲያ ምኑ ነው" እንዳለው። ዳሩ ግን የሃዲያዋ ንግስት ዮዲት ጉዲት አክሱም ለእርሷ ምን እንዳለው ለማሳየት ከሸዋ ደቡብ ጠርዝ ተጉዛ አክሱምን በሻሻ አድርጋለች - በአሁኑ ዘመን ደግሞ አብይ አህመድ ከከፋ ክ/ህገር ሂዶ ትግራይን በሻሻ እንዳደረጋት። የመገናኘታቸው ትርጉም ይህ ነው።

ዋናው ነገር የአክሱም ሃውልት ስለ ሁሉም የኢትዮጵያ ጎሳዎች ጽፎ ይዟል - ትግሬ የሚባል ጎሳ ግን የለም። ለምን?

ከአክሱም በፊት ትግሬ የለም? አክሱም ነው ትግሬ የሚቀድመው?
ግሪኮች ስለ ኢትዮጵያ አበሻ ይላሉ - ኢትዮጵያኖች ስለ እራሳቸው ምን ይላሉ? ኢትዮጵያ የሚለው ስም ከየት መጣ? ከአክሱም በፊት ሌላ መንግስት ነበር?
አዎ! ቅድመ-አክሱም ኢትዮጲስ የሚባል ንጉስ አገር ነበረች። ኢትዮጵያ ቀደምት ስም እና አገር ነው። በኢትዮጵያ ነገስታት ውስጥ ስም ድግግሞሽ ስላለ እንድሁ የአክሱም 12ኛ ንጉስ ኢትዮጲስ ይባላል። ኢትዮጵያ አናሳ በመሆን በትግሬ እና ኤርትራ ክ/ሀገር የተወሰነች አይደለችም። የኢትዮጵያ ታሪክ ከአክሱም ይልቅ ከአባይ እና ናይል ወንዝ ጋር የተቆራኘ ነው። ጥንታዊ አክሱም የኩሽ ስልጣኔ እንጅ የትግሬ ስልጣኔ አይደለም። አክሱም ከትግሬ እና ኤርትራ (ሀማሴን) ይልቅ አፋር ስልጣኔ ነው።
በዘልማድ አበሻ የሚለው አጠራርም የወል ነበር ለሁሉም ኢትዮጵያዊ። አንሳ ጎጠኛ ታህት ግን ለእፉኝት አላማቸው ሲሉ የተዛባ ትርጉም ሰጡት። ዛሬ ትግራይ ፍሬውን እየኮመኮመች ነው - ምስጋና ለእነ ገብረኪዳን ይሁን።

As to Eritrea, it is not a birth defect - it is really a still birth (born dead). Its Western and Arab birth attendants should be ashamed of and disappointed about their failure story. Eritrea is not a Country.

"What the ancient Romans and Greeks called 'Ethiopia' is the Kingdom of Axum - the current Tigray and Eritrea."

Look at the map! Do you see the current Ethiopia on the map of the Kingdom of Axum? No. You only see the current Tigray and Eritrea! That is what ancient peoples and scholars meant by 'Ethiopia'.

[sarcasm]

Eritrea, as we know it today, we were told to have been born . . .

I knew you were misinformed. Now you know it was born in 1890 and you have to do some unlearning.

To get divorced you need also a proper settlement of your previous marriage.

Let's entertain your analogy of divorce for a minute. If, God forbid, you divorce your wife, do you think you get to keep one of her hands, or legs or kidneys, eyes etc? No, you don't! She takes her limbs, hair, brain, face, her everything basically. And you keep your everything. You don't even get to keep a strand of her hair!

What you share is stuff you generated while you were together. What wealth did Ethiopia and Eritrea generate in their 39 years marriage? Nothing material.

[DefendTheTruth]

I was not misinformed, I knew already that the entity calling itself Eritrea is the only one in the world that takes pride in its history of colonial legacy. You can enjoy it, I am not part of that.
Not only it takes a pride in it, it even bases its existence as an entity on that, a sad story.

With regard to "taking away a limb of your former spouse" Assab was not Eritrean limb, rather developed and run by Ethiopian dire resources, which belonged to all of us Ethiopians, including myself. I have the right to reclaim it, it was taken away from me unduly. What is that not so clear?

Eritrea, as we know it today, we were told to have been born . . .

I knew you were misinformed. Now you know it was born in 1890 and you have to do some unlearning.

To get divorced you need also a proper settlement of your previous marriage.

Let's entertain your analogy of divorce for a minute. If, God forbid, you divorce your wife, do you think you get to keep one of her hands, or legs or kidneys, eyes etc? No, you don't! She takes her limbs, hair, brain, face, her everything basically. And you keep your everything. You don't even get to keep a strand of her hair!

What you share is stuff you generated while you were together. What wealth did Ethiopia and Eritrea generate in their 39 years marriage? Nothing material.

[sarcasm]

Eden, are you saying Eritreans and Tigreans are the only Ethiopians, and the rest no one knows where they come from. Well, I am not an historian ; I am not capable of challenging your theory. I let it slide.

BBC commissioned a "History of Africa" was a nine-part BBC World News series explored Africa's history from prehistoric times to the modern era, aiming to provide a more comprehensive and nuanced understanding of the continent's past. The had one full session on the Axumite civilization. The documentary was so centered in Eritrea and Tigray that it seemed that it was a session on hisotry of Axumite civilization of Eritrea and Tigray 101 - EriTigria

[Abere]

Wow, BBC is the most reliable scholarly reference of the history of Africa as cited by "sarcasm". This is truly the most sarcastic expression of a defective thought. Gebre-kinan Desta must be jumping in his grave as he listens to the boisterous lie out of the lie machine known as BBC.

[sarcasm]

I asked AI "If you've paid for your wife's tattoo, what happens if you divorce?"

Here's the answer: "If you paid for your wife's tattoo and your marriage ends in divorce, the tattoo itself is not considered an asset that can be divided in a divorce settlement."

I guess, it would be the same if you've paid for your ex's boob job too

But in real terms, the old rusty cranes in Assab port were build by the Italians. The only new infrastructure build in Assab in the past 50 years is the oil refinery. It was later classed as in-efficiently, too old century and became derelict from mid 1990s.

[DefendTheTruth]

Can you also list the other 8 and remaining parts of the same documentary, which I remember of watching most of them, like the one here?

One the of the points I have watched also stated a kingdom that existed way before Axumite's and it had a different name, forget about the possibility of the Axumite Kingdom was reportedly not an exclusive item of today's residents of the provinces of Tigray and Eritrea for a while.

If you can talk about Axumite, then you can't convincingly ignore the kingdom of Kush, the mother of all, unless you are trying to hide something willingly.

This documentary alone and your attempt to come back and cite it as a basis of your ownership of the Axumite Kingdom confirms what I have already said and you didn't try to refute: Eritrea remains in the in the world the only entity which takes pride in its legacy of colonialism and base its legality of existence on the same.

Eden, are you saying Eritreans and Tigreans are the only Ethiopians, and the rest no one knows where they come from. Well, I am not an historian ; I am not capable of challenging your theory. I let it slide.

BBC commissioned a "History of Africa" was a nine-part BBC World News series explored Africa's history from prehistoric times to the modern era, aiming to provide a more comprehensive and nuanced understanding of the continent's past. The had one full session on the Axumite civilization. The documentary was so centered in Eritrea and Tigray that it seemed that it was a session on hisotry of Axumite civilization of Eritrea and Tigray 101 - EriTigria

[Abere]

አንድ አውራጃ ከፍ አደርጋለሁ ብሎ የትልቅ አገር ስም ዝቅ አደርጋለሁ ብሎ የሚታክተው ምፀተኛ ሳስብ ያስቀኛል። እንደዚህ አይነቱ ሰው ነው የኢትዮጵያ ፓስፓርት ወይም ትውልደ ኢትዮጵያ ካርድ ተሸክሞ የሚዞረው።

የኢትዮጵያ ታሪክ እንደ ወረቀት ተጣጥፎ ተጨማዶ ተጨማዶ በአንድት አውራጃ ልክ መከተት /መግባት አለበት ብሎ የውሸት ተረት የሚተረትር።

የኦሮሙማን የቡርቃ ታሪክ የጻፈው ተስፋየ ግበረእባብ ተመሳሳይ ይህ ደግሞ የአክሱም ቡርቃ ዝምታ እየሰበረ ነው።

እንኳን ታሪክ ያነበበ ማንም የሚያውቀው ነው። በኢትዮጵያ የሺ አመታት ታሪክ እና ቅድመ ታሪክ አንጻር አክሱም የቅርብ ጊዜ ታሪክ ነው። የአክሱም ስልጣኔ ከግብጽ ፤ ከመሮዌ የቀጠለ - የመጨረሻም ነው። የግብጽ ስልጣኔ እራሱ የጥቁሮች ስልጣኔ ነው። ኢትዮጵያ የሚለው ስያሜ በአንድ ወቅት የአፍሪካ መጠሪያ ስያሜ ነበር - የአክሱም መንደር ሰፈር መጠሪያ አይደለም። በመጽሀፍ ቅዱስ ስለ ሙሴ ሚስት ትውልድ ሀረግ የሚናገረው ስለ ጥቁር ኢትዮጵያዊ ነው። አክሱም የተለየ የሚያደርገው ነገር ቢኖር ቤተ-እስራኤላዊ የአብይ ወንዝን ተከትለው ይዘውት የገቡት የሙሴ ጽላት ነው። ይህ ጽላት ለሺ አመት በጣና ደሴት ከቆየ ብኋላ ወደ አክሱም ተወስዷል በሚል የኢትዮጵ ምዕምን አክሱምን እንደ እየሩሳሌማቸው ያዩታል።

[sarcasm]

If you can talk about Axumite, then you can't convincingly ignore the kingdom of Kush, the mother of all, unless you are trying to hide something willingly..

Do you think the Kushite Empire can be hidden? It was amazing that they had numerous older pyramids but people nowadays associate pyramids with Egypt only. The Sudanese people should build tourist centers near the pyramids to introduce the world to the great civilization of their ancestors.

The concurrent civilization on our side was the Kingdom of Da'amat ደኣማት during the 10th to 5th centuries BC. Yeha in North Tigray was their capital and Metera in Southern Eritrea was another major Daamat city. The two towns are only 40km apart.

President Isaias's mother is from the historic town of Yeha. His cousin by his mom's side, Dr Solomon Enquay said that in his interview with BBC.

what I have already said and you didn't try to refute: Eritrea remains in the in the world the only entity which takes pride in its legacy of colonialism and base its legality of existence on the same.

Taking pride is a subjective opinion; but the whole tread is supposed to confirm the objective fact that all African countries (not only Eritrea or Ethiopia) are the legacy of colonialism and they all base their legality of existence on colonial borders and treaties, basically colonialism. If one is not convinced of this fact after reading this thread, then I have to really improve my communication skills.

The hyperbole of Matthew 7:3-5 was supposed to highlight your hypocrisy in pointing out that Eritrea was a result of colonialism when Ethiopia was a result of colonialism too as every inch of Ethiopian border is a result of colonialism.

link to all episodes of History Of Africa with Zeinab Badawi

[Meleket]

ኣሽሓት ዓመታት ቅድሚ ኣዅሱመ ዬሓ፡
ሃገረ ኤርትራ ብታሪኻ ኣርሓ።

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2000297.stm

ዝንቦች ተሰብስበው ኣይከፍቱም ወስከምቢያ፡
ድንበራቸው ታውቋል ኤርትራና ኢትዮጵያ።

ከአኵሱምና ዬሓ ሽ ዓመታት በፊት፡
ኤርትራ ኣላት ታሪክ እጂግ ምንኮራበት።

ለመጪውም ትውልድ በቅጡ ኣስተምረን፡
ሃገረ ኤርትራን እ ን ገ ነ ባ ለ ን።

ይሄ ያላማረው ይሄ ያላለው ደስ፡
መረጃ ላይ መጥቶ ኣፍንጫውን ይላስ!

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