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[TGAA]

Whenever a catastrophe or human tragedy strikes, the leader of a nation comes to console the nation. When mindless criminal or Criminals cause a human carnage, the leader of a nation comes to condom the cowardly act of the criminals. In countries where the human life is valued the first question asked is – is a human life lost? Only after that one goes to list about the property damage. In his latest press statement for Abey Mohamed silence to condom in strongest terms the human carnage that was caused by Ejeto criminals, and by hateful agitator, Ayatola gewar, who was calling sidama hooligans to take the law into their hand if they don’t get their way was a big moral failure. while Abey tries to convince us closing internet is less worth cause than saving human life, his government protects the person who is openly agitates the youth for violence act. It is recorded and aired for all to see. You cannot protect the lives of Ethiopians, while the viper sits and propagates hate right in the center of the country. This duble stand has allowed Jewar to be embolden , the result have been that Innocent people who have nothing to do with what Ejeto wanted were slaughter in daylight. Not to have rightful moral outrage at the time of this kind of human carnage shows the caviler attitude about human life.

[opmerc]

There was no equivocation in his statements. An equivocation would be if he mounted some sort of defense for Jawar's actions while admonishing others. That didn't happen. He just didn't mention Jawar. That's not a defense or even tolerance of it.

Why are you so quick to lead with emotion? Considering things only from your own narrow interest and reacting isn't the way a country is lead.

You should perhaps think about Dr Abiy's current position leading a party that have many anti-reformist agents in it, which itself is sharing power with TPLF that is working daily against him and the country. Consider maybe what his legal options are or what might be his most strategic move against someone like Jawar.

While it might please you to see Dr Abiy openly attack Jawar on a public venue, and it might give you material to go taunt pro-OLFers on Facebook, doing so wouldn't yield anything positive. Particularly since we would need tangible, not circumstantial, evidence that the agitation of Jawar actually lead to violence.

Is he supposed to lock up a few Ejeto and torture them till they confess that Jawar made them do all that mayhem?

Just because you feel like Jawar is responsible doesn't mean you can prove that in court. Even if we could, that still won't stop many Qerro from making a martyr out of Jawar and respond exactly like how Asaminew Tsige's followers are behaving right now. Except it won't just be on social-media, from their comfortable little lives abroad. It will be the best recruitment tool for OLF in every part of Oromia.

What do you think happens to the prospects of the reform or Democracy in that environment?

So just like his careful approach toward TPLF, Jawar has to be systematically neutered or lulled into comfort so he can commit a clear violation of the law before being directly attacked. Otherwise, it's just begging Jawar to cause more violence just to make you happy.

[kibramlak]

You are absolutely right
Its not one or two incidents. The patterns tell all about it

Whenever a catastrophe or human tragedy strikes, the leader of a nation comes to console the nation. When mindless criminal or Criminals cause a human carnage, the leader of a nation comes to condom the cowardly act of the criminals. In countries where the human life is valued the first question asked is – is a human life lost? Only after that one goes to list about the property damage. In his latest press statement for Abey Mohamed silence to condom in strongest terms the human carnage that was caused by Ejeto criminals, and by hateful agitator, Ayatola gewar, who was calling sidama hooligans to take the law into their hand if they don’t get their way was a big moral failure. while Abey tries to convince us closing internet is less worth cause than saving human life, his government protects the person who is openly agitates the youth for violence act. It is recorded and aired for all to see. You cannot protect the lives of Ethiopians, while the viper sits and propagates hate right in the center of the country. This duble stand has allowed Jewar to be embolden , the result have been that Innocent people who have nothing to do with what Ejeto wanted were slaughter in daylight. Not to have rightful moral outrage at the time of this kind of human carnage shows the caviler attitude about human life.

[kibramlak]

What a hypothetical comment ?

May I ask you why Abiy has been on the throat of Eskindir - a man who has never called for violence,, and on the other hand, Abiy is directly or indirectly a support of jawar - a fanatic jehadist who openly called for violence and who openly told us his criminal network is a second government??

There was no equivocation in his statements. An equivocation would be if he mounted some sort of defense for Jawar's actions while admonishing others. That didn't happen. He just didn't mention Jawar. That's not a defense or even tolerance of it.

Why are you so quick to lead with emotion? Considering things only from your own narrow interest and reacting isn't the way a country is lead.

You should perhaps think about Dr Abiy's current position leading a party that have many anti-reformist agents in it, which itself is sharing power with TPLF that is working daily against him and the country. Consider maybe what his legal options are or what might be his most strategic move against someone like Jawar.

While it might please you to see Dr Abiy openly attack Jawar on a public venue, and it might give you material to go taunt pro-OLFers on Facebook, doing so wouldn't yield anything positive. Particularly since we would need tangible, not circumstantial, evidence that the agitation of Jawar actually lead to violence.

Is he supposed to lock up a few Ejeto and torture them till they confess that Jawar made them do all that mayhem?

Just because you feel like Jawar is responsible doesn't mean you can prove that in court. Even if we could, that still won't stop many Qerro from making a martyr out of Jawar and respond exactly like how Asaminew Tsige's followers are behaving right now. Except it won't just be on social-media, from their comfortable little lives abroad. It will be the best recruitment tool for OLF in every part of Oromia.

What do you think happens to the prospects of the reform or Democracy in that environment?

So just like his careful approach toward TPLF, Jawar has to be systematically neutered or lulled into comfort so he can commit a clear violation of the law before being directly attacked. Otherwise, it's just begging Jawar to cause more violence just to make you happy.

[opmerc]

What a hypothetical comment ?

May I ask you why Abiy has been on the throat of Eskindir - a man who has never called for violence,, and on the other hand, Abiy is directly or indirectly a support of jawar - a fanatic jehadist who openly called for violence and who openly told us his criminal network is a second government??

Where is the hypocrisy? Eskinder is a different entity to Jawar.

I have already mentioned it before here but what Eskinder is doing is just as much of a threat as what Jawar is doing. Eskinder's position is essentially to call for people to not recognize existing AA administration, deem any law created by that administration as illegitimate and to anoint his own group as a transitional government. This is incredibly dangerous because 1) it will turn AA into an actual battleground 2) it will encourage others to do the same in others regions.

Yes Jawar did claim there were two governments or powers in the country. Did he then form some organization that then treats itself as already elected administrators? Did he call the general public to not recognize laws or lawmakers? Loud fukera about how much power you have versus actually setting up structural foundations for undermining a government are not the same thing.

But on the question of which action by which person is more of an immediate or existential threat, only people in Abiy's circle would understand that. It's clear though directly attacking Jawar under present circumstances would lead to fracturing ODP from within, emboldening OLF, encouraging all Oromo militant elements and TPLF taking advantage of each and every chaotic event that followed.

Only if you are driven by this childish sense of "he gets to have cake, why not me" would it bother you who the government takes on first.

[kibramlak]

I still see some naivity in your view of things.
For me, one of the key traits of a leader is courage and decisiveness. Abiy can be a good diplomat but he is far from being a leader. He lacks the key traits. No one can deny the facts on the ground - that the country is now more chaotic that it was even during tplf era. You can't deny that. A decisive and courageous leader could effectively neutralise jawar long before,, especially being an oromo himself. He is hooked up by his own blunder and lack of competency to be a leader that brought us to this point where the country is in complete mess. Now ODP, surely with his own admission, is busy of holding power structure than solving the country's problems.

[opmerc]

Courage in what exactly? How is it helpful to confront Jawar before you have concrete evidence to charge him with a crime or before you have consolidated your position in your own party and leadership of the whole country? Arguments with those who have no respect for the sanctity of life is the surest way to introduce more loss of life. What about the courage to be patient knowing this? The courage to accept a loss in popularity from a naive populace so you can avert additional violence to that same populace?

Decisiveness only helps when you have a path to victory and leverage over those you mean to defeat, otherwise it's just foolhardy. It's fracturing your own side to the aid and comfort of your enemies.


I don't know what neutralize means. If you mean he should kill Jawar and then just wait for the inevitable mess that follows, you are far more naive than me.

Also make up your mind, do you want an autocratic leader like TPLF that maintains peace and security by turning the country into one big jail cell or do you want someone that introduces democracy and freedoms by subtracting extremist elements in the order that is least harmful. The latter means some are left to walk around while you work on others.

[kibramlak]

I dont know how close you are into the situation on the ground. For me, with a closer observation of the situation, things are now fvked up more than what we might have thought. Fanatics are already in his party up to this "government's" structure. They are busy to safeguard their ጥቅም than to solve the country's issues as one. Whether is politics or business, the rules of negotiation are the same. You should know what you want to gain out of the negotiation. You dont want to put your feet into to an environment that compromises your business name or brand. Abiy failed in his negotiation process when he dealt with the fanatics jawar and Ibsa. He miserably failed, am afraid that he might be failing the country as a whole.

[kibramlak]

Oh I just forgot about your note on Eskindir as a threat than Jawar. I dont how you view things. But in a genuine democratic environment (that what Abiy and the geda people are telling to believe), a person like Eskindir makes the government accountable and transparent as many of us dream to have a government of that nature. You can't compare Eskindir with the islamo fanatic Jawar by any parameters.

[opmerc]

I wasn't disagreeing with things being more chaotic. I was trying to work out what you think would be the solution to this problem. It's either clamp down on everyone and everything, thereby bringing back general security, but at the cost of everyones liberty. Or it is through a careful balance of strengthening ones hand while you erode the power of all agents of chaos. Like you said, these agents are within the government itself. Some ideological, some just interested in personally gaining as much from their position or just trying to avoid answering for past crimes.

Taking them all on will take much longer and requires being careful you don't take the whole country down while trying. That means prioritization. So while the likes of Jawar or even the clearer case of Getachew Assefa ought to be behind bars, you wait till you can get them there with no dangers to the public.

Oh I just forgot about your note on Eskindir as a threat than Jawar. I dont how you view things. But in a genuine democratic environment (that what Abiy and the geda people are telling to believe), a person like Eskindir makes the government accountable and transparent as many of us dream to have a government of that nature. You can't compare Eskindir with the islamo fanatic Jawar by any parameters.

I absolutely can compare them on the merit of their actions, I just did. Shining a light on the dangers of Jawar while lauding Eskinder as a pure angel is a symptom of bias, not an accurate summary of what's happening.

Eskinder has every right to challenge the government or it's policies either intellectually or electorally. That would introduce a vibrant democracy and something I totally support. What he can't do is institute an alternative government and undermine lawmaking, especially before he or his group is elected. That's not democracy. Anything that heads in that direction can't be construed as non-violent. You are asking for violence when you campaign for the public to not recognize laws.

[Sam Ebalalehu]

Opermc, you argued well. Some people who write feedbacks to ER choose not to contemplate the difficulty Abiy has been having. He is a member of a tribal party. Forget about TPLF that tried everything possible to undermine his leadership. Even within his own Oromo party there are those who wanted him to fail. He knows that so that he chose to navigate consciously. Abiy has not only been dealing with tribal politicians that we were accustomed to, but also with the new ones. Despite the difficulty he faced, he managed to contain those who were determined to break the country to pieces unless they ruled. Ethiopian Somalia region is now one of the safest place in Ethiopia. It had not been at the time Abiy came to power. The OLF anarchy seemed to quiet down. In the Amhara regions the identity issues which seemed to surface every other day no longer there. The guy is doing fine. The new tribal politicians and their supporters however do not like him. They are insignificant in numbers. The more these "insignificants" hate him, the more he will be embraced by the great majority of Ethiopians.

[kibramlak]

Abiy created a fertile land for TPLF remnants the moment he miserably negotiated with Jawar and Ibsa. Let's not turn around the bush and try to reflect when the turning point was that created the mess where we are in.

Am not sure he is handling things unless the TPLF remnants are finished. The money stashed by this group is not just for whisky.

On the other hand, those fanatic Oromos placed in the "government" structure would be a threat not less than the TPLF system.