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"የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?

Post by Abere » 16 Feb 2026, 10:24

"የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?



“The Galla first broke into Aymallal territory through Ambare Wargo in Nuranna. Then other Aymallal areas, like Gayat, Gareno, Endabuya, and Amawte, were invaded and sacked. The main Galla tribes that invaded Aymallal were the Abado and Malima from the north, both members of the Tulama branch of the Galla, the Geto, and the Dula. Amawte is said to have been invaded by the Abado, Wacho by the Geto, and Aratge by the Dula. Another, less known, tribe, the Jidda, invaded Gareno. Of these tribes, the one most feared was the Abado, with whom the Aymallal had most of their battles."
Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 57.


The overall effect of the Oromo invasion was one of despoliation, depopulation (through either death or flight), and enslavement. The traffic of Gurage slaves substantially increased in the mid-19th century. There are still elders who have memories of grandparents or other such relatives sold into slavery by the Oromo. The invasion and despoliation caused many Kistane villagers to flee and settle in neighboring areas such as Ada, Meqi, Zway, Minjar, and Bulga, facilitating the first mass migrations of the Gurage in other parts of the country.

Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 60.

ዐጼ ምኒልክ ከባርነት ነጻ ቢወጣህም እንደገና የኦሮሙማ ባርነት ናፍቆህ ተገርደሃል። ባርነት በእርግጥ እስራዔላዊያን ሙሴ በሲና በርሃ ለአርነት ሲመራቸው ወደ ግብጽ ወደ ባርነት እንመለስ እያሉ አስቸግረውት ነበር። ቀይ ባህር ሰንጥቆ አሻግሯቸው ወደ ባርነት ግብጽ እንዳይመለሱ ባህሩ መልሶ ተዘግቶባቸው የፈርዖን ባርነት ግን ከአእምሯቸው አልወጣ ብሎ አስቸግሯቸው ( ልማዱ ወዘተ) 40 አመታት ( የቀናት መንገዱን) አታክቶ የተስፋውን ምድር ሳያዩ ልጆቻቸው ብቻ እንድ ደርሱ ሁኗል።

ታዲያ ዛሬ ሶዶ ኦሮሙማ ሁሬሳ የጥንት ባርነት ሱስ ሊገድልህ ነው - በርታ የኦሮሙማ ውታፍ ነቃይ ። ፀረ-አማራ ሁሬሳ እና መሰል ባርነት ነፋቂ ፀረ-አማራዎች።

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Re: "የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?

Post by Abere » 16 Feb 2026, 13:53

So, is the saying "History repeats itself" true?
The once whose ancestors were commodities of slavery for Oromo, Huressa( aka Horus) himself being now slave of Orommuma.

In early Egypt, dozens of slaves used to be buried alive or killed at the same time as their masters or the king’s death. Sacrificial burials were common and slaves, attendants were killed to serve the ruler in the afterlife.

Huresa from Sodo-Kistane is a slave and Wutaf-Neqay attendant is now charged to jum into the pit where his idiot Beshasha Abiy falling into forever. :mrgreen:

ሶዶ ሆይ የብር ግጦሽ አይተህ- ግደሉን ሳታይ፤
ዘለህ ገደል ገባህ - መከራ ልታይ።
:lol:


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Re: "የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?

Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Feb 2026, 14:29

Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 10:24
"የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?



“The Galla first broke into Aymallal territory through Ambare Wargo in Nuranna. Then other Aymallal areas, like [deleted], Gareno, Endabuya, and Amawte, were invaded and sacked. The main Galla tribes that invaded Aymallal were the Abado and Malima from the north, both members of the Tulama branch of the Galla, the Geto, and the Dula. Amawte is said to have been invaded by the Abado, Wacho by the Geto, and Aratge by the Dula. Another, less known, tribe, the Jidda, invaded Gareno. Of these tribes, the one most feared was the Abado, with whom the Aymallal had most of their battles."
Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 57.


The overall effect of the Oromo invasion was one of despoliation, depopulation (through either death or flight), and enslavement. The traffic of Gurage slaves substantially increased in the mid-19th century. There are still elders who have memories of grandparents or other such relatives sold into slavery by the Oromo. The invasion and despoliation caused many Kistane villagers to flee and settle in neighboring areas such as Ada, Meqi, Zway, Minjar, and Bulga, facilitating the first mass migrations of the Gurage in other parts of the country.

Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 60.

ዐጼ ምኒልክ ከባርነት ነጻ ቢወጣህም እንደገና የኦሮሙማ ባርነት ናፍቆህ ተገርደሃል። ባርነት በእርግጥ እስራዔላዊያን ሙሴ በሲና በርሃ ለአርነት ሲመራቸው ወደ ግብጽ ወደ ባርነት እንመለስ እያሉ አስቸግረውት ነበር። ቀይ ባህር ሰንጥቆ አሻግሯቸው ወደ ባርነት ግብጽ እንዳይመለሱ ባህሩ መልሶ ተዘግቶባቸው የፈርዖን ባርነት ግን ከአእምሯቸው አልወጣ ብሎ አስቸግሯቸው ( ልማዱ ወዘተ) 40 አመታት ( የቀናት መንገዱን) አታክቶ የተስፋውን ምድር ሳያዩ ልጆቻቸው ብቻ እንድ ደርሱ ሁኗል።

ታዲያ ዛሬ ሶዶ ኦሮሙማ ሁሬሳ የጥንት ባርነት ሱስ ሊገድልህ ነው - በርታ የኦሮሙማ ውታፍ ነቃይ ። ፀረ-አማራ ሁሬሳ እና መሰል ባርነት ነፋቂ ፀረ-አማራዎች።
ራስ ማሞ ሁለተኛዉ፥

ኣንተ ኣዋቂ መሳይ መሃይም።

ሙሴ እስራኤላዊ ሳይሆን በኣንተ ቋንቋ ጋላ የምትለዉ ሙጬ የተባለ የጥንት ኢትዮጵያ ታላቅ ፈረዖ አክናተን ነዉ ተብለሃል።

ኣንተ ደነዝ፣ የዕዉነት ታሪክ መጽሓፍ ግለጥ እና ኣንብብ።

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Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Feb 2026, 14:48

Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 13:53
So, is the saying "History repeats itself" true?
The once whose ancestors were commodities of slavery for Oromo, Huressa( aka Horus) himself being now slave of Orommuma.

In early Egypt, dozens of slaves used to be buried alive or killed at the same time as their masters or the king’s death. Sacrificial burials were common and slaves, attendants were killed to serve the ruler in the afterlife.

Huresa from Sodo-Kistane is a slave and Wutaf-Neqay attendant is now charged to jum into the pit where his idiot Beshasha Abiy falling into forever. :mrgreen:

ሶዶ ሆይ የብር ግጦሽ አይተህ- ግደሉን ሳታይ፤
ዘለህ ገደል ገባህ - መከራ ልታይ።
:lol:

Very much so in this case.

You are proving yourself to be a functionally illiterate man among Renaissance men who lives in the world of Renaissance men.

Men of the first Renaissance identified a blasphemy of history and science in none other than the old Bible. The rest is history.

Men of the second Renaissance also identified another blasphemy of history and science in none other than the same old Bible.

That makes the old Bible a discredited document. The almighty of the Pharaohs is removing the blasphemies of history and rewriting it.

Do you have a problem with ancient Ethiopia or its almighty that has never departed from Ethiopia ever since?

What part of it is hard for you to understand?

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Post by Abere » 16 Feb 2026, 14:57

Naga Tuma,

It was not me who said Gala, it was Gala who used to call itself by then. Now, Mengistu H/Mariam and Meles Zenawi imported made in Germany name "Oromo" is used.

In any case, name does not matter rather is the quality of the character. More important, it is the individual not the entire population that matters the most - in a society you can find good and bad people. As there were Pe>nis cutting Aba-Geday there were those who regraded it barbaric.

I concerned about your sanity. It looks your mental health is challeneged - you stuck with Egypt. There is no connection between Oromo and ancient Egypt. Recorded history indicated Oromo migrated even to Ethiopia in the 16th century following the African rift valley, rift valley extends from tip of South Africa to Ethiopia.

Please also note, Muche (which is both an Amharic and Oromo word) is not the same as Moses. The moronic stupidity of Orommuma is trying to relate words that randomly exist across the world. The only thing that relate Oromo to Egypt is being human and being the children of Adam and Eve.

Moses is the Hebrew word in Hebrew (Moshe) means drawn out of water

Take care of your mental health!

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Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Feb 2026, 16:01

Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 14:57
Naga Tuma,

It was not me who said Gala, it was Gala who used to call itself by then. Now, Mengistu H/Mariam and Meles Zenawi imported made in Germany name "Oromo" is used.

In any case, name does not matter rather is the quality of the character. More important, it is the individual not the entire population that matters the most - in a society you can find good and bad people. As there were Pe>nis cutting Aba-Geday there were those who regraded it barbaric.

I concerned about your sanity. It looks your mental health is challeneged - you stuck with Egypt. There is no connection between Oromo and ancient Egypt. Recorded history indicated Oromo migrated even to Ethiopia in the 16th century following the African rift valley, rift valley extends from tip of South Africa to Ethiopia.

Please also note, Muche (which is both an Amharic and Oromo word) is not the same as Moses. The moronic stupidity of Orommuma is trying to relate words that randomly exist across the world. The only thing that relate Oromo to Egypt is being human and being the children of Adam and Eve.

Moses is the Hebrew word in Hebrew (Moshe) means drawn out of water

Take care of your mental health!
ሂድ እኩያህን ፈልግ እና ተለፋደድ ኣንተም ሪታርድ መሃይም፣ የዕዉቀት ክብረቢስ እና ምስጋናቢስ።

የሬይነሳንስ ሰዎች ለኣንተ ዐይነቶች ደነዞች እና ሽሎች ኣይዴሉም።

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Post by Dama » 16 Feb 2026, 16:15

quote=Abere post_id=1607804 time=1771251849 user_id=51466]
"የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?



“The Galla first broke into Aymallal territory through Ambare Wargo in Nuranna. Then other Aymallal areas, like [deleted], Gareno, Endabuya, and Amawte, were invaded and sacked. The main Galla tribes that invaded Aymallal were the Abado and Malima from the north, both members of the Tulama branch of the Galla, the Geto, and the Dula. Amawte is said to have been invaded by the Abado, Wacho by the Geto, and Aratge by the Dula. Another, less known, tribe, the Jidda, invaded Gareno. Of these tribes, the one most feared was the Abado, with whom the Aymallal had most of their battles."
Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 57.


The overall effect of the Oromo invasion was one of despoliation, depopulation (through either death or flight), and enslavement. The traffic of Gurage slaves substantially increased in the mid-19th century. There are still elders who have memories of grandparents or other such relatives sold into slavery by the Oromo. The invasion and despoliation caused many Kistane villagers to flee and settle in neighboring areas such as Ada, Meqi, Zway, Minjar, and Bulga, facilitating the first mass migrations of the Gurage in other parts of the country.

Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 60.

ዐጼ ምኒልክ ከባርነት ነጻ ቢወጣህም እንደገና የኦሮሙማ ባርነት ናፍቆህ ተገርደሃል። ባርነት በእርግጥ እስራዔላዊያን ሙሴ በሲና በርሃ ለአርነት ሲመራቸው ወደ ግብጽ ወደ ባርነት እንመለስ እያሉ አስቸግረውት ነበር። ቀይ ባህር ሰንጥቆ አሻግሯቸው ወደ ባርነት ግብጽ እንዳይመለሱ ባህሩ መልሶ ተዘግቶባቸው የፈርዖን ባርነት ግን ከአእምሯቸው አልወጣ ብሎ አስቸግሯቸው ( ልማዱ ወዘተ) 40 አመታት ( የቀናት መንገዱን) አታክቶ የተስፋውን ምድር ሳያዩ ልጆቻቸው ብቻ እንድ ደርሱ ሁኗል።

ታዲያ ዛሬ ሶዶ ኦሮሙማ ሁሬሳ የጥንት ባርነት ሱስ ሊገድልህ ነው - በርታ የኦሮሙማ ውታፍ ነቃይ ። ፀረ-አማራ ሁሬሳ እና መሰል ባርነት ነፋቂ ፀረ-አማራዎች።

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Silly Bahru Zewde. How could he present tired and distorted folktales as history without corroboration? Shame on him as a professor of history, this is below standard. I keep coming across incidents of his works which have forced me to question his sincerity to truth and scholarship. He doesn't see history higher than a well-written journalistic essay.

What had happened were raids, hit and run, as does Shene now in Amwate. Invasion is followed by dispoliation is the taking of lands. But this never happened because those Oromo tribes only raided at nights or days, perhaps stole grains and cattle, and burnt houses. But they did not invade and dispoliate lands because Aymellel villages such as Amwate are still in Gurage hands.

You also made yourself a shallow reader by choice. You could not tell or ignored to tell which incidences, raids or invasion, that effect land dispoliation.
Abere, read with realism, asking what does a word or phrase mean in reality.
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Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Feb 2026, 16:17

Dama wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 16:06
Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 10:24
"የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?



“The Galla first broke into Aymallal territory through Ambare Wargo in Nuranna. Then other Aymallal areas, like [deleted], Gareno, Endabuya, and Amawte, were invaded and sacked. The main Galla tribes that invaded Aymallal were the Abado and Malima from the north, both members of the Tulama branch of the Galla, the Geto, and the Dula. Amawte is said to have been invaded by the Abado, Wacho by the Geto, and Aratge by the Dula. Another, less known, tribe, the Jidda, invaded Gareno. Of these tribes, the one most feared was the Abado, with whom the Aymallal had most of their battles."
Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 57.


The overall effect of the Oromo invasion was one of despoliation, depopulation (through either death or flight), and enslavement. The traffic of Gurage slaves substantially increased in the mid-19th century. There are still elders who have memories of grandparents or other such relatives sold into slavery by the Oromo. The invasion and despoliation caused many Kistane villagers to flee and settle in neighboring areas such as Ada, Meqi, Zway, Minjar, and Bulga, facilitating the first mass migrations of the Gurage in other parts of the country.

Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 60.

ዐጼ ምኒልክ ከባርነት ነጻ ቢወጣህም እንደገና የኦሮሙማ ባርነት ናፍቆህ ተገርደሃል። ባርነት በእርግጥ እስራዔላዊያን ሙሴ በሲና በርሃ ለአርነት ሲመራቸው ወደ ግብጽ ወደ ባርነት እንመለስ እያሉ አስቸግረውት ነበር። ቀይ ባህር ሰንጥቆ አሻግሯቸው ወደ ባርነት ግብጽ እንዳይመለሱ ባህሩ መልሶ ተዘግቶባቸው የፈርዖን ባርነት ግን ከአእምሯቸው አልወጣ ብሎ አስቸግሯቸው ( ልማዱ ወዘተ) 40 አመታት ( የቀናት መንገዱን) አታክቶ የተስፋውን ምድር ሳያዩ ልጆቻቸው ብቻ እንድ ደርሱ ሁኗል።

ታዲያ ዛሬ ሶዶ ኦሮሙማ ሁሬሳ የጥንት ባርነት ሱስ ሊገድልህ ነው - በርታ የኦሮሙማ ውታፍ ነቃይ ። ፀረ-አማራ ሁሬሳ እና መሰል ባርነት ነፋቂ ፀረ-አማራዎች።
Silly Bahru Zewde. How could he present tired and distorted folktales as history without corroboration? Shame on him as a professor of history, this is below standard.
What had happened were raids, hit and run, as does Shene now in Amwate. Invasion is followed by dispoliation is the taking of lands. But this never happened because those Oromo tribes only raided at nights or days, perhaps stole grains and cattle, and burnt houses. But they did invade and dispoliate lands because Aymellel villages such as Amwate are still in Gurage hands.
You also made yourself a shallow reader by ochoice. You could not tell iwhichi ncidences of raids or invasion that effect land appropiation.
Abere, read with realism, asking what does a word or phrase mean in reality.
I started reading his book and stopped it by choice before reading many pages because his shallow bias was very clear without reading many pages.

He probably wrote for those in power at the time instead of writing accurate history.

Horus who started to dance with you and you cozy up with conveniently and expediently reminds me a similar habit. The difference is only who they perceive to be in power at the time that they write.

Such are our intellectuals of our Ethiopia.

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Post by Dama » 16 Feb 2026, 16:23

"He probably wrote for those in power at the time instead of writing accurate history".
That's typical behavior Bahru Zewde. He writes to appease with expectation of rewards.

To be frank, I have nothing in common with Whorus. He is the most dishonest and untrustworthy and slippery character. I do not trust him. He trusts no one.

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Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Feb 2026, 17:12

Dama wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 16:23
"He probably wrote for those in power at the time instead of writing accurate history".
That's typical behavior Bahru Zewde. He writes to appease with expectation of rewards.

To be frank, I have nothing in common with Whorus. He is the most dishonest and untrustworthy and slippery character. I do not trust him. He trusts no one.
This suggests to me that we all are treating the symptoms of a disease.

The disease may be a deficiency of trust in one’s own conscience based on one’s own values and principles.

I fail to understand why, of all people, Horus doesn’t pick his own conscience and stick to it no matter what?

If his conscience edges out, he could have others gravitate to it. If his conscience wins, good. If he loses, so be it. He will have his conscience etched forever.

If we all can deliver consistent conscience, we might discover how much we have in common than not.

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Post by Abere » 16 Feb 2026, 18:42

Dama,

First before objecting Prof. Bahiru Zewude, how much do you know about the Oromo migration? If you ever read history, do you agree Oromo migrated to Ethiopia in the 16th century?
Second, do you have other historians that contend Prof. Zewde findings that Sodo-Kistane were enslaved by Oromo?

In the absence of evidences to counter his research, your denial looks stemming from rejecting history so that Gurage were not invaded by Oromo and never lost an inch of their land to Oromo, let alone being enslaved.
Did you know the name "Buta" - "Jira" is an Oromiffa word (legacy of Gurage's ruled by Oromo) - the literal meaning means (Buta / shifta/rebel and Jira /present - ሽፍታ አለ/. God knows if Huresa's relatives revolted against Oromo rulers.

Historical accounts or legends in the North stated Oromo of that time were best ambushers; they avoid face-to-face battle and there is a saying ጋላ እና ዝናብ ከደጅ ይጨርሳል.. they ambushed where villagers were unprepared while busy taking care of homestead affairs. But in the case Sodo, the checked upon if there were rebelling slaves


Dama wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 16:23
"He probably wrote for those in power at the time instead of writing accurate history".
That's typical behavior Bahru Zewde. He writes to appease with expectation of rewards.

To be frank, I have nothing in common with Whorus. He is the most dishonest and untrustworthy and slippery character. I do not trust him. He trusts no one.

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Post by Dama » 16 Feb 2026, 18:50

Abere, the Amara problem is Amara itself because it's divided, between PP and Fano, both Amaras. Not Oromo. PP is an Amara gov. Accept it rather than pretending. You are not a child to spoon-feed you on this. Don't miseducate yourself and others. If brainwashed or pressured to accept the Oromoma narrative, you are fooled or you are fooling yourself.

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Post by Abere » 16 Feb 2026, 20:13

Dama,
You avoided addressing my questions directly. The focus of this discussion is whether history repeats itself, not whether Amhara Fano is divided.

Acknowledging history as it happened should not be a source of shame or an inferiority complex. On the contrary, it offers lessons we can learn from. Prof. Zewude, for example, discussed the enslavement of the Gurage - particularly the Kistane-Sodo - in the 16th century by the Oromo Aba Geda

In the case of the Amhara people, the notion that “history repeats itself” was already reflected in the famous saying of General Asaminew Tsige that Amhara provinces would experience the Orommuma invasion that once occurred 500 years ago. And that has already unfolded over the last three years, and Fano has been fighting against Orommuma.

In the case of Sodo-Kistane, Orommuma had already subjugated you (if you are Gurage), and a dozen like Huresa got Orommuma master. Is it not interesting that to witness history is repeating amongst you. DDT is now the master of Huressa.

What happened with your "Zerma"? It looks Huresa's master made it ዘርመጭት :lol:

Dama wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 18:50
Abere, the Amara problem is Amara itself because it's divided, between PP and Fano, both Amaras. Not Oromo. PP is an Amara gov. Accept it rather than pretending. You are not a child to spoon-feed you on this. Don't miseducate yourself and others. If brainwashed or pressured to accept the Oromoma narrative, you are fooled or you are fooling yourself.

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Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Feb 2026, 23:59

Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 16:17
Dama wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 16:06
Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 10:24
"የባሪያ ወዳጅ አብጅቸ ላየው ስሄድ ታስሮ - ላስፈታው ስሄድ ተሽጦ።" እምየ ምኒልክ ተናገሩት እንዳይባል - ብሂል ነው። ሁሬሳ(Horus) ምን አስተያየት አለህ?



“The Galla first broke into Aymallal territory through Ambare Wargo in Nuranna. Then other Aymallal areas, like [deleted], Gareno, Endabuya, and Amawte, were invaded and sacked. The main Galla tribes that invaded Aymallal were the Abado and Malima from the north, both members of the Tulama branch of the Galla, the Geto, and the Dula. Amawte is said to have been invaded by the Abado, Wacho by the Geto, and Aratge by the Dula. Another, less known, tribe, the Jidda, invaded Gareno. Of these tribes, the one most feared was the Abado, with whom the Aymallal had most of their battles."
Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 57.


The overall effect of the Oromo invasion was one of despoliation, depopulation (through either death or flight), and enslavement. The traffic of Gurage slaves substantially increased in the mid-19th century. There are still elders who have memories of grandparents or other such relatives sold into slavery by the Oromo. The invasion and despoliation caused many Kistane villagers to flee and settle in neighboring areas such as Ada, Meqi, Zway, Minjar, and Bulga, facilitating the first mass migrations of the Gurage in other parts of the country.

Zewde, Bahru. The Aymallal Gurage in the 19th century: a political history. p. 60.

ዐጼ ምኒልክ ከባርነት ነጻ ቢወጣህም እንደገና የኦሮሙማ ባርነት ናፍቆህ ተገርደሃል። ባርነት በእርግጥ እስራዔላዊያን ሙሴ በሲና በርሃ ለአርነት ሲመራቸው ወደ ግብጽ ወደ ባርነት እንመለስ እያሉ አስቸግረውት ነበር። ቀይ ባህር ሰንጥቆ አሻግሯቸው ወደ ባርነት ግብጽ እንዳይመለሱ ባህሩ መልሶ ተዘግቶባቸው የፈርዖን ባርነት ግን ከአእምሯቸው አልወጣ ብሎ አስቸግሯቸው ( ልማዱ ወዘተ) 40 አመታት ( የቀናት መንገዱን) አታክቶ የተስፋውን ምድር ሳያዩ ልጆቻቸው ብቻ እንድ ደርሱ ሁኗል።

ታዲያ ዛሬ ሶዶ ኦሮሙማ ሁሬሳ የጥንት ባርነት ሱስ ሊገድልህ ነው - በርታ የኦሮሙማ ውታፍ ነቃይ ። ፀረ-አማራ ሁሬሳ እና መሰል ባርነት ነፋቂ ፀረ-አማራዎች።
Silly Bahru Zewde. How could he present tired and distorted folktales as history without corroboration? Shame on him as a professor of history, this is below standard.
What had happened were raids, hit and run, as does Shene now in Amwate. Invasion is followed by dispoliation is the taking of lands. But this never happened because those Oromo tribes only raided at nights or days, perhaps stole grains and cattle, and burnt houses. But they did invade and dispoliate lands because Aymellel villages such as Amwate are still in Gurage hands.
You also made yourself a shallow reader by ochoice. You could not tell iwhichi ncidences of raids or invasion that effect land appropiation.
Abere, read with realism, asking what does a word or phrase mean in reality.
I started reading his book and stopped it by choice before reading many pages because his shallow bias was very clear without reading many pages.

He probably wrote for those in power at the time instead of writing accurate history.

Horus who started to dance with you and you cozy up with conveniently and expediently reminds me a similar habit. The difference is only who they perceive to be in power at the time that they write.

Such are our intellectuals of our Ethiopia.
I apologize to Professor Bahru Zewde. I mistook his name for Professor Tadesse Tamirat, the one who the late Professor Mesfin Woldemariam also harshly criticized, which I found out later and was not surprised.

I have never got hold of a book by Professor Bahru Zewde.

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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Feb 2026, 00:08

What is in front of you is the totality of the history of Ethiopia from the time of animal and plant domestication some ten thousand years ago, the era of the Pharaohs, the distorted history of the Exodus, the acceptance of Christianity in Axum when they denied their priori identity because some people told them they were cursed by the WILL OF GOD, the fall of Axum, the struggle to restore a government in Shawa and the birth of Amharic as a language, the migration of people from Shawa to Borana by refusing to accept Christianity and adhering to prior culture, and the proxy war and its consequences during the time of Gragn.

Do you have a training or faculty to process them all together?
Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 20:13
Dama,
You avoided addressing my questions directly. The focus of this discussion is whether history repeats itself, not whether Amhara Fano is divided.

Acknowledging history as it happened should not be a source of shame or an inferiority complex. On the contrary, it offers lessons we can learn from. Prof. Zewude, for example, discussed the enslavement of the Gurage - particularly the Kistane-Sodo - in the 16th century by the Oromo Aba Geda

In the case of the Amhara people, the notion that “history repeats itself” was already reflected in the famous saying of General Asaminew Tsige that Amhara provinces would experience the Orommuma invasion that once occurred 500 years ago. And that has already unfolded over the last three years, and Fano has been fighting against Orommuma.

In the case of Sodo-Kistane, Orommuma had already subjugated you (if you are Gurage), and a dozen like Huresa got Orommuma master. Is it not interesting that to witness history is repeating amongst you. DDT is now the master of Huressa.

What happened with your "Zerma"? It looks Huresa's master made it ዘርመጭት :lol:

Dama wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 18:50
Abere, the Amara problem is Amara itself because it's divided, between PP and Fano, both Amaras. Not Oromo. PP is an Amara gov. Accept it rather than pretending. You are not a child to spoon-feed you on this. Don't miseducate yourself and others. If brainwashed or pressured to accept the Oromoma narrative, you are fooled or you are fooling yourself.

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Post by Meleket » 17 Feb 2026, 03:40

ክቡር ወዳጃችን Abere፡ ነፍሳቸውን በመንግሥተሰማያት ይቀበለውና፡ አንድ መለስ ወልደስላሴ የተባሉ ድንቅ ኤርትራዊ ሊቅ እንዲህ ሲሉ ሰምተናቸው ነበር። “ሕጻኑን ከውሃ ውስጥ “መሰስ” አድርጋ ስላወጣችው ሙሴ/Moses የሚለው ስም የተሰየመለት” ሲሉ ሰምተን ነበር። የሌሎቹን ባናውቅም እብራይስጥና ትግረ ትግርኛ አማርኛ ብዙ የጋራ ቃላቶች እንዳሏቸው እናውቃለን።

በአማርኛም “ከውሃው ስባ ወይም መሰስ አድርጋ አወጣችው” እንደማለት ነው። እርግጥ ነው አንተ እንዳስቀመጥከው ቅዱስ መጸሓፍ ዘጸአት 2: 10 ላይ “ካብ ማይ ኣውጺኤዮ እየ ኢላ ስሙ ሙሴ ኣውጽኣትሉ” ነው የሚለው።

Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 14:57
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Moses is the Hebrew word in Hebrew (Moshe) means drawn out of water
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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Feb 2026, 15:47

Abere wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 14:57

Moses is the Hebrew word in Hebrew (Moshe) means drawn out of water

Take care of your mental health!
Meleket wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 03:40
ክቡር ወዳጃችን Abere፡ … ድንቅ ኤርትራዊ ሊቅ እንዲህ ሲሉ ሰምተናቸው ነበር። “ሕጻኑን ከውሃ ውስጥ “መሰስ” የሌሎቹን ባናውቅም እብራይስጥና ትግረ ትግርኛ አማርኛ ብዙ የጋራ ቃላቶች እንዳሏቸው እናውቃለን።
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ከብዙ ዓመታት በፊት የሚከተሉትን ተመሳሳይ ቃለት ለጥናት እንዲሆኑ እዚህ መድረክ ላይ ጽፌ ነበር።

ቃሉ፣ ቃሊ፣ ቃል፣ ቃላ፣ ቅሌ፣ ቀሌ፣ ኪል (እንግልዘኛ)

ኣንድ ኢትዮጵያዊ ታሪክን ኣጥንቶ ፕሮፌት ሙሴ የተባለዉ አክናተን የተባለ የጥንት ኢትዮጵያ ታላቅ ፈረዖ እንጂ እስራኤላዊ ኣልነበረም ሲል ሌላ ኢትዮጵያዊ ነኝ ባይ ተነስቶ እስራኤላዊ እንጂ ኢትዮጵያዊ ኣልነበረም ማለት ምንድነዉ?

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