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[Zack]

I will make A deal give us Somalis the entire somali region of Ethiopia harar and diredawa included and we give u a sea out let
Sounds like a deal
Think about


Dr Zackovich

[tarik]

I will make A deal give us Somalis the entire somali region of Ethiopia harar and diredawa included and we give u a sea out let
Sounds like a deal
Think about


Dr Zackovich

Don't you ever learn? Terrorist-Uae's slave aka Bantu-Galla-Abiy doesn't want sea access for Cursed-Land-Ethiopia, he wants sea access for his top master the Terrorist-Israhellis.

[Fiyameta]

As bad as your UAE masters want it.

[Zack]

Clearly they don’t want to sacrafice anything for a sea out let

[Dama]

Zack, Ethiopis wants access to the Red Sea because:
1. It's Christian island surrounded by Muslims
2. The countries that own the sea coasts are ministates
3. Ethiopia has over 100 million population whose cost of living can not be skyrocketted due to high cost of port rents and delays by the coastal states
4. Ethiopia doesn't have to disclose arms imports for its own defence

[Zack]

Yeah but Ethiopians galla gurage Amhara are Land-locked ethnic group the only people who can claim access to the sea are the Tigrayans because halafi said tigrayans defendes the red sea prior to the formation of Italian Eritrea and because Eritrea and Tigray are the same ethnic they can make this sort of claims

[Abere]

Without mingling Abiy Ahmed on this issue (on a scale of 10, 10 being needs Sea the most and 1 the least) I marked 10 on the scale. Let's not mix Abiy Ahmed who is the most insincere person walking on this planet trying to hijack the deep-seated issue of Ethiopia.

There are plenty of reasons why Ethiopia should reclaim Red Sea; and the reasons have both legal, moral and natural merits. To begin with:

--- Ethiopia's Red Sea was stolen, illegally occupied, and orchestrated by those who do not want to see a strong Ethiopia in their way to manipulate the region and Africa at large. This is true, one can see now the Red Sea is like Serengeti Pond where every wildlife muddying it. Literally, the tiny colonial states have no control over at all. They do not have ownership; their only reason for their colonial creation is to stop Ethiopia.

---- Ethiopia has a population size of almost 15 medium size African countries combined. This by itself gives Ethiopia a clear reason to redraw any colonial border - especially she was not part of the colonized states. Remember, UN is just as old as 80 years, this it is not immutable. And more importantly it is an NGO itself.

----- Ethiopia economically is the powerhouse of the region. One can say as much as he/she regarding its currency value, but the real thing is Ethiopia's economy is among the biggest in Africa, and it unthinkable tiny colonial created states can stop the stamina of Ethiopian economy.

If this is not solved peacefully, the result is clear no gruella leader such as Isias Afework or Arab league slave Ismail Omar can stop this.

I will make A deal give us Somalis the entire somali region of Ethiopia harar and diredawa included and we give u a sea out let
Sounds like a deal
Think about


Dr Zackovich

[Dama]

Yeah but Ethiopians galla gurage Amhara are Land-locked ethnic group the only people who can claim access to the sea are the Tigrayans because halafi said tigrayans defendes the red sea prior to the formation of Italian Eritrea and because Eritrea and Tigray are the same ethnic they can make this sort of claims

He lied to you, made up a false history.
True history is this:
The Turks colonized Massawa for a long time along Suakin presently called Port Sudan,as Egypt obtained more autonomy from the Turks in the late 19th C, the Egyptians wanted to expand and colonize the interior lands from Massawa and marched on Tigrey interior, They were met at Gura in 1875, a famous battle ground in Eritrea but now a desolate land empty of life. Egyptians retreated back to Massawa. King Yohanis stopped there; happy they went back and did not pursue them to Massawa. A year later in 1876, Egyptians came back to expand from Massawa to the interior. They were met by King Yohannis again at Gundet. Again, Egypt was defeated and went back to Massaw. Yohannis did not follow them to take Massaw from them. By the influence of the British over the Khedive of Egypt which was now becoming more and more the colony of Britain, Egypt transferred ownership of Massaw to Italians.

[Zack]

Without mingling Abiy Ahmed on this issue (on a scale of 10, 10 being needs Sea the most and 1 the least) I marked 10 on the scale. Let's not mix Abiy Ahmed who is the most insincere person walking on this planet trying to hijack the deep-seated issue of Ethiopia.

There are plenty of reasons why Ethiopia should reclaim Red Sea; and the reasons have both legal, moral and natural merits. To begin with:

--- Ethiopia's Red Sea was stolen, illegally occupied, and orchestrated by those who do not want to see a strong Ethiopia in their way to manipulate the region and Africa at large. This is true, one can see now the Red Sea is like Serengeti Pond where every wildlife muddying it. Literally, the tiny colonial states have no control over at all. They do not have ownership; their only reason for their colonial creation is to stop Ethiopia.

---- Ethiopia has a population size of almost 15 medium size African countries combined. This by itself gives Ethiopia a clear reason to redraw any colonial border - especially she was not part of the colonized states. Remember, UN is just as old as 80 years, this it is not immutable. And more importantly it is an NGO itself.

----- Ethiopia economically is the powerhouse of the region. One can say as much as he/she regarding its currency value, but the real thing is Ethiopia's economy is among the biggest in Africa, and it unthinkable tiny colonial created states can stop the stamina of Ethiopian economy.

If this is not solved peacefully, the result is clear no gruella leader such as Isias Afework or Arab league slave Ismail Omar can stop this.

I will make A deal give us Somalis the entire somali region of Ethiopia harar and diredawa included and we give u a sea out let
Sounds like a deal
Think about


Dr Zackovich

There is not a single legal basis on which Ethiopia can claim the sovereign territory of Eritrea, Djibouti, or Somalia. Population size whether 100 million or even a billion does not grant any country the right to claim another people’s land.

Eritrea ceased to be part of Ethiopia the moment it was internationally recognized and admitted as a member of the United Nations. From that point on, Ethiopia had no sovereign claim over any Eritrean territory. As for Djibouti and Somalia, they have never been part of Ethiopia at any point in history, so Ethiopia has absolutely no legal claim over them.

Anyone can make arbitrary claims. I could claim half of Sudan or half of Kenya if I wanted. I could even argue that I have a stronger moral claim over one third of Ethiopia and one third of Kenya simply because those regions are inhabited by people of the same ethnicity as myself the Somalis. However, from a legal standpoint, such claims are meaningless. Moral arguments do not translate into sovereign rights.

Minlik II annexed the Somali Region and Harar through conquest. Eritrea, on the other hand, did not “steal” its land. There is no such thing as a people stealing their own land. Eritrea was annexed, and Eritreans liberated themselves. That is the reality dear lad

Dr Zackovich

[Abere]

@Zack,

"International recognition, law etc. blah blah" is a spam word oftentimes used by the very colonizers to undermine those they think challenged the Berlin Scramble for Africa term. Ethiopia's sovereignty exposited long before the so-called NGO (UN) and its by law "so-called international law" existed. Thus, what you just keep repeating is scare tactics; however, the current reality is different: Look what is unfolding in Greenland, Crimea, Somaliland, etc.

Ethiopia is not going to baby seat while her existential matter is being ignored.

Without mingling Abiy Ahmed on this issue (on a scale of 10, 10 being needs Sea the most and 1 the least) I marked 10 on the scale. Let's not mix Abiy Ahmed who is the most insincere person walking on this planet trying to hijack the deep-seated issue of Ethiopia.

There are plenty of reasons why Ethiopia should reclaim Red Sea; and the reasons have both legal, moral and natural merits. To begin with:

--- Ethiopia's Red Sea was stolen, illegally occupied, and orchestrated by those who do not want to see a strong Ethiopia in their way to manipulate the region and Africa at large. This is true, one can see now the Red Sea is like Serengeti Pond where every wildlife muddying it. Literally, the tiny colonial states have no control over at all. They do not have ownership; their only reason for their colonial creation is to stop Ethiopia.

---- Ethiopia has a population size of almost 15 medium size African countries combined. This by itself gives Ethiopia a clear reason to redraw any colonial border - especially she was not part of the colonized states. Remember, UN is just as old as 80 years, this it is not immutable. And more importantly it is an NGO itself.

----- Ethiopia economically is the powerhouse of the region. One can say as much as he/she regarding its currency value, but the real thing is Ethiopia's economy is among the biggest in Africa, and it unthinkable tiny colonial created states can stop the stamina of Ethiopian economy.

If this is not solved peacefully, the result is clear no gruella leader such as Isias Afework or Arab league slave Ismail Omar can stop this.

I will make A deal give us Somalis the entire somali region of Ethiopia harar and diredawa included and we give u a sea out let
Sounds like a deal
Think about


Dr Zackovich

There is not a single legal basis on which Ethiopia can claim the sovereign territory of Eritrea, Djibouti, or Somalia. Population size whether 100 million or even a billion does not grant any country the right to claim another people’s land.

Eritrea ceased to be part of Ethiopia the moment it was internationally recognized and admitted as a member of the United Nations. From that point on, Ethiopia had no sovereign claim over any Eritrean territory. As for Djibouti and Somalia, they have never been part of Ethiopia at any point in history, so Ethiopia has absolutely no legal claim over them.

Anyone can make arbitrary claims. I could claim half of Sudan or half of Kenya if I wanted. I could even argue that I have a stronger moral claim over one third of Ethiopia and one third of Kenya simply because those regions are inhabited by people of the same ethnicity as myself the Somalis. However, from a legal standpoint, such claims are meaningless. Moral arguments do not translate into sovereign rights.

Minlik II annexed the Somali Region and Harar through conquest. Eritrea, on the other hand, did not “steal” its land. There is no such thing as a people stealing their own land. Eritrea was annexed, and Eritreans liberated themselves. That is the reality dear lad

Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

We still have to pretend international law exist if we remove this very then there is nothing There is the law of the zoo. Do you want that . If Sudan claims part of Ethiopia how will u defend it from a legal point view not just guns. Somaliland case is a case for independence and self determination similar to that of Eritrea palestine sure the world recognised Somalia sovreignty it’s up to Somaliland to convince why they should be a country and the politics their play . As for greenland it was just trump Trying to attempt to take it he doesn’t want to steal he wants to buy it . Russia is wrong to take crimea its ukrainien land how ever the land belongs to ethnic Russians it’s similar to somali Ogaden region belongs to Ethiopia international law and Somalia has a moral claims Russia has a moral claim over crimea .
Still this doesn’t give you a sea out let if Eritrea sells ur their land it could be done . If Eritrea govt holds a referendum to cede some of their land to Ethiopia it can be done but all those decsion is up to Eritrea not Ethiopia

Now we can do a swap do you want sea we will give it to you give us somali region of Ethiopia we give u a sea

[Abere]

Well, the UN is a voluntary association of both the colonized and the colonizers, as well as non-colonized Ethiopia. Many of the colonized remain spectators in a drama largely shaped by their former creators. This association is only as old as the moment when some of the earliest colonial powers left their former territories (largely in the 1960s) and allowed them to exist as independent states.

Ethiopia, as a sovereign state, existed long before the UN and long before the so-called carved-up colonial states, many of which were created through illegal occupation or short-term arrangements imposed by external powers. The UN, often treated like an NGO, is largely revered by so-called Third World countries, but not by the superpowers. Why? Because when powerful states decide something is necessary, they do not regard the UN as a binding legal institution.

Therefore, Ethiopia has the right, on her own terms, to ensure that existential threats orchestrated by her adversaries are neutralized. If UN rules operate like jungle rules (applied selectively and serving unfair interests) then those rules must be fixed, or the UN itself will eventually have to be replaced by an institution that is fair.

Have we ever seen the UN effectively stop territorial claims? No. Crimea remains contested, and now even Greenland is becoming a disputed land that could potentially be taken by the United States.

Europeans are scrambling over this reality. There is a great deal of unfinished business in the world, and one of those unresolved issues is Ethiopia reclaiming its sovereignty over the Red Sea.

You had better accept the reality in advance and stop using the scam word of "international law "