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[DefendTheTruth]

Since you are mostly active searching old maps and historical documents, fiction or real, you must also be familiar with the following map of Oromia, according to a certain Facebook Arbegna, who claimed (his) Oromia was colonized in 1886, I hope GC. My question is who was the last leader (President, PM, or Negus /Negusa Negast, or what ever his/her title was) just before Oromia fell under colonization, let's say in 1885, as an example?

If this Oromia, as depicted on the map, was a territory that has been colonized, then this was also an organized political entity and as such must have had some features of nation state, else everything is just a fiction, costing the lives and livelihoods of millions today in Ethiopia.

Please answer!

[Noble Amhara]

During Zemene Mesafint the Kilil system did not exist rather Amhara was divided by kifle hager as well as Oromo. The Welega had their own king and so did the Jimma, Tulama and Arsi.

During Zemene Mesafint Ethiopia was based around Gonder and had very little control outside the city. King Tewodros and Yohanes unified the north.

Tigrayan Tembien King Yohanes gave Gojame Ras Teklahaymanot 8,100 rifles in 1881 to go colonize Welega, Jimma and Kaffa. While Shewan Menelik stopped Teklehaymanot and took southern Ethiopia for himself along with Gobana Dache a Tulama comrade of the Abichu clan.

This means Yohanes IV was going to march to Oromia but unfortunately he was killed in battle with the Sudanese Mahidists.

Menelik struggled to centralize the state especially in Arsi. While Welega, Jimma and Illubabor peacefully negotiated with Gobana and avoided war with Menelik the Arsi fought the hardest and even embraced Islam as opposition to the Christian culture of Menelik

[DefendTheTruth]

During Zemene Mesafint the Kilil system did not exist rather Amhara was divided by kifle hager as well as Oromo. The Welega had their own king and so did the Jimma, Tulama and Arsi.

During Zemene Mesafint Ethiopia was based around Gonder and had very little control outside the city. King Tewodros and Yohanes unified the north.

Tigrayan Tembien King Yohanes gave Gojame Ras Teklahaymanot 8,100 rifles in 1881 to go colonize Welega, Jimma and Kaffa. While Shewan Menelik stopped Teklehaymanot and took southern Ethiopia for himself along with Gobana Dache a Tulama comrade of the Abichu clan.

This means Yohanes IV was going to march to Oromia but unfortunately he was killed in battle with the Sudanese Mahidists.

Menelik struggled to centralize the state especially in Arsi. While Welega, Jimma and Illubabor peacefully negotiated with Gobana and avoided war with Menelik the Arsi fought the hardest and even embraced Islam as opposition to the Christian culture of Menelik

You didn't answer my question, it is about naming the leader of your colonized Oromia. Where was that Oromia located, to which Yohanis IV was about to march?

I am not interested in fiction, I mean a real business, that is costing the lives and livelihoods of millions in Ethiopia today. What didn't exist couldn't have been colonized!

[ethiopianunity]

This is partial misinformation. We have to stop talking about the regions based on the ethnic names given by Tplf! The ethnic names were designed to weaken the population and the nation along with never- ending animosity among ethnic people! DDT to answer your questions, there were no such names as Oromia, Amara, Debub Etc regions before! There are 80 languages spoken throughout Ethiopia each languages may concentrate in each region but due to there was right to move from place to place to work, marry, live as Ethiopian citizen, in the cities, affluent areas such as Addis, although various languages are spoken, in order to be able to exchange goods and service the common language Amharic dominates and rightfully so as necessity to understand one another. Meanwhile other languages in cities were still spoken freely as well but in the outskirts of cities different languages dominate while still the common language Amharic dominates as well .


Oromia ( th'is term was named in 1985 by Derg) which is made up and artificial name . Hopefully someone will explain who created the name for Galla speaking populations of Ethiopia? The meaning? Why change? Why not Galla and if no, why tge term Galla is considered that existed and accepted by Oromo speaking populations? Why as Ethiopian Gallas aka Oromos need such identity when they did not have identity issue before? )

[Naga Tuma]

The Last Lucifer:

If you have a fully developed human brain, can you please answer the following simple question?

Can you please show the locations of any and every trace of ገልመ ቃሉ and ቃልቻ on this map?

I question if you have a fully developed human brain because this is the question you failed to answer all your adult life.

Since you are mostly active searching old maps and historical documents, fiction or real, you must also be familiar with the following map of Oromia, according to a certain Facebook Arbegna, who claimed (his) Oromia was colonized in 1886, I hope GC. My question is who was the last leader (President, PM, or Negus /Negusa Negast, or what ever his/her title was) just before Oromia fell under colonization, let's say in 1885, as an example?

If this Oromia, as depicted on the map, was a territory that has been colonized, then this was also an organized political entity and as such must have had some features of nation state, else everything is just a fiction, costing the lives and livelihoods of millions today in Ethiopia.

Please answer!

[Dama]

Gurage fought Menelick the longest, for 15 years between 1875-1889 in 11 campaigns, two of which Menelick participated.
Defeated in both, he returned back to Ankober with his tail in between his legs like a dog. His son Prince Asfawesen from a Gurage mistress or wife was supsected poisoned by Bafana his older rich wife in May of 1875 while fighting Gurage.

[Noble Amhara]

During the reign of Menelik all of Ethiopia was divided by kifle hager

Gojjam kingdom
Arsi kingdom
Tigray kingdom
Gonder kingdom
Shoa kingdom
Tulema Kingdom
Jimma Sultanate
Welega kingdom
Lasta Kingdom
Wollo Kingdom
Afar Sultanate
Ogaden Sultanate
Welayta Kingdom
Kaffa Kingdom

Now tell me how do you unify these kingdoms into one state/empire

You are pretending that Ethiopia origin is not in Axum! The origin of Ethiopia is the Axumite Empire which was a multi ethnic empire that launched conquests into Yemen Sudan and Eritrea.

The idea of having a centralized state is from Axum and the Axumites learned this from the Sabean Arabs.

Africans traditionally have no formal way of having centralized nations with government because Africans are tribal.

That is why during Zemene Mesafint Amhara was divided and Oromo was divided our own people fought each other to and only those with the Axumite mindset like Tewodros II Menelik II Yohanes IV and even Gobana Dache fought to create a centralize state resembling Axum

[DefendTheTruth]

During the reign of Menelik all of Ethiopia was divided by kifle hager

Gojjam kingdom
Arsi kingdom
Tigray kingdom
Gonder kingdom
Shoa kingdom
Tulema Kingdom
Jimma Sultanate
Welega kingdom
Lasta Kingdom
Wollo Kingdom
Afar Sultanate
Ogaden Sultanate
Welayta Kingdom
Kaffa Kingdom

Now tell me how do you unify these kingdoms into one state/empire

You are pretending that Ethiopia origin is not in Axum! The origin of Ethiopia is the Axumite Empire which was a multi ethnic empire that launched conquests into Yemen Sudan and Eritrea.

The idea of having a centralized state is from Axum and the Axumites learned this from the Sabean Arabs.

Africans traditionally have no formal way of having centralized nations with government because Africans are tribal.

That is why during Zemene Mesafint Amhara was divided and Oromo was divided our own people fought each other to and only those with the Axumite mindset like Tewodros II Menelik II Yohanes IV and even Gobana Dache fought to create a centralize state resembling Axum

Which means, there was no Oromia that could have been colonized, in clear terms?

Otherwise unifying (of different entities into one) and colonizing (of an existing entity) must be synonymous, in some people's dictionary.

Like I said above in the absence of an entity that would be qualified for a colonization (in 1886, like the map depicts), everything must have been a fiction.

[Dama]

DDT
Like always, like all hodam PPs, you are approaching pilitical science from a narrow angle of pundits or a political party of selective narrative despite truth and despite law. Why don't you start with the theoretical defintion of colonization and
then test whether Menelicik's conquests fit the definition of colonization.

[DefendTheTruth]

DDT
Like always, like all hodam PPs, you are approaching pilitical science from a narrow angle of pundits or a political party of selective narrative despite truth and despite law. Why don't you start with the theoretical defintion of colonization and
then test whether Menelicik's conquests fit the definition of colonization.

I know you come from, you just want to waste my time.

Did Oromia exist in 1886, if it didn't like Noble Amhara indicated, then there is no colonization of what never existed. I am not much interested to the definition of colonization for now.

[Noble Amhara]

DDT
Like always, like all hodam PPs, you are approaching pilitical science from a narrow angle of pundits or a political party of selective narrative despite truth and despite law. Why don't you start with the theoretical defintion of colonization and
then test whether Menelicik's conquests fit the definition of colonization.

I know you come from, you just want to waste my time.

Did Oromia exist in 1886, if it didn't like Noble Amhara indicated, then there is no colonization of what never existed. I am not much interested to the definition of colonization for now.

The Gojames rebelled against Shewan Haile Selassie and during the 1940s and in the 1880s they rebelled against menelik. If you were to ask the Gojames in the 1940s and 1890s they would have told you the Shewan Aristrocrats were "Colonizing" their Gojjam

Today Gojames glorify both Menelik and Haile Selassie and have forgotten their crimes such as the Hanging of Belay Zeleke in 1945 in Gojjam. Why?

Because Haile Selassie and Menelik were Amharic Speaking Orthodox Christians so their crimes were forgotten.... as showing African tribal bias.

[ethiopianunity]

The Last Lucifer:

If you have a fully developed human brain, can you please answer the following simple question?

Can you please show the locations of any and every trace of ገልመ ቃሉ and ቃልቻ on this map?

I question if you have a fully developed human brain because this is the question you failed to answer all your adult life.

Since you are mostly active searching old maps and historical documents, fiction or real, you must also be familiar with the following map of Oromia, according to a certain Facebook Arbegna, who claimed (his) Oromia was colonized in 1886, I hope GC. My question is who was the last leader (President, PM, or Negus /Negusa Negast, or what ever his/her title was) just before Oromia fell under colonization, let's say in 1885, as an example?

If this Oromia, as depicted on the map, was a territory that has been colonized, then this was also an organized political entity and as such must have had some features of nation state, else everything is just a fiction, costing the lives and livelihoods of millions today in Ethiopia.

Please answer!

Good questions Naga!

[ethiopianunity]

Gurage fought Menelick the longest, for 15 years between 1875-1889 in 11 campaigns, two of which Menelick participated.
Defeated in both, he returned back to Ankober with his tail in between his legs like a dog. His son Prince Asfawesen from a Gurage mistress or wife was supsected poisoned by Bafana his older rich wife in May of 1875 while fighting Gurage.

Dama the fake,

You are 100% Tplf/ Shabia! So is DDT those of you who grew up other regions except Tigray and Eritrea as it is your origin pretend to be Oromo, Gurage, etc

[ethiopianunity]

During the reign of Menelik all of Ethiopia was divided by kifle hager

Gojjam kingdom
Arsi kingdom
Tigray kingdom
Gonder kingdom
Shoa kingdom
Tulema Kingdom
Jimma Sultanate
Welega kingdom
Lasta Kingdom
Wollo Kingdom
Afar Sultanate
Ogaden Sultanate
Welayta Kingdom
Kaffa Kingdom

Now tell me how do you unify these kingdoms into one state/empire

You are pretending that Ethiopia origin is not in Axum! The origin of Ethiopia is the Axumite Empire which was a multi ethnic empire that launched conquests into Yemen Sudan and Eritrea.

The idea of having a centralized state is from Axum and the Axumites learned this from the Sabean Arabs.

Africans traditionally have no formal way of having centralized nations with government because Africans are tribal.

That is why during Zemene Mesafint Amhara was divided and Oromo was divided our own people fought each other to and only those with the Axumite mindset like Tewodros II Menelik II Yohanes IV and even Gobana Dache fought to create a centralize state resembling Axum

NA,

You see during the Zemene Mesafint, you can call above you listed already as regional and ethnic region before! Ase Minilik did not change it either except he unified the country! Why did he need to unify the country? Because it was weak regions as before! Arabs and foreigners were able to invade and ally with regional kingdoms against other regions or within! Ethiopians were being sold, esp in the South the Oromos and Gurages, Welaytas to Arabs in exchange for arms and guns so that regional kings can fight other regions, pretty much civil war! total chaos! Tell me how long you continue to be Arab and foreign slave while also killing your own and by the way, resources were also being looted in weak and divided regions! Regions who cannot live in peace for negative competition, it was too backward to create federalism under Menilik thus the need for to centralize and stop the civil war, the slavery commodity, etc! Except the intervention of Italy's attempt to colonize under Ase Minilik, and Ase H/Selassie, Ethiopia as unified was at peace with itself therefore was able by the kings to develop Ethiopia: telephone, trains, airports so on. If Zemenemesafint continued, let alone peace and development, you would be slaves and living on tree acting like baboon! Thanks to all Ases by the way. Good or bad they did their own good shares from Ase Yohanes and before till Ase H Selassie.

Also you need to make correction during Axum, Eritrea was part of Ethiopia and colonization did not exist during Axumite emp

[Dama]

DDT
Like always, like all hodam PPs, you are approaching pilitical science from a narrow angle of pundits or a political party of selective narrative despite truth and despite law. Why don't you start with the theoretical defintion of colonization and
then test whether Menelicik's conquests fit the definition of colonization.

I know you come from, you just want to waste my time.

Did Oromia exist in 1886, if it didn't like Noble Amhara indicated, then there is no colonization of what never existed. I am not much interested to the definition of colonization for now.

Here you go good-for-nothing PP. You choose to make mistake after mistake by refusing to allow definition of colonization to guide you. You choose to walk in a dark and that without a guide. I am impressed.

[ethiopianunity]

You all think, nations, regions geography were as the same as during Axum empire! No it was not! Today many regions and families since The Scramble of Africa and beyond, even in Arab regions were not the same geography as during Axum empire! Colonizations and religions divided regions who once same families lived the same land African nations are prime example separated family.

[Dama]

During the reign of Menelik all of Ethiopia was divided by kifle hager

Gojjam kingdom
Arsi kingdom
Tigray kingdom
Gonder kingdom
Shoa kingdom
Tulema Kingdom
Jimma Sultanate
Welega kingdom
Lasta Kingdom
Wollo Kingdom
Afar Sultanate
Ogaden Sultanate
Welayta Kingdom
Kaffa Kingdom

Now tell me how do you unify these kingdoms into one state/empire

You are pretending that Ethiopia origin is not in Axum! The origin of Ethiopia is the Axumite Empire which was a multi ethnic empire that launched conquests into Yemen Sudan and Eritrea.

The idea of having a centralized state is from Axum and the Axumites learned this from the Sabean Arabs.

Africans traditionally have no formal way of having centralized nations with government because Africans are tribal.

That is why during Zemene Mesafint Amhara was divided and Oromo was divided our own people fought each other to and only those with the Axumite mindset like Tewodros II Menelik II Yohanes IV and even Gobana Dache fought to create a centralize state resembling Axum

NA,

You see during the Zemene Mesafint, you can call above you listed already as regional and ethnic region before! Ase Minilik did not change it either except he unified the country! Why did he need to unify the country? Because it was weak regions as before! Arabs and foreigners were able to invade and ally with regional kingdoms against other regions or within! Ethiopians were being sold, esp in the South the Oromos and Gurages, Welaytas to Arabs in exchange for arms and guns so that regional kings can fight other regions, pretty much civil war! total chaos! Tell me how long you continue to be Arab and foreign slave while also killing your own and by the way, resources were also being looted in weak and divided regions! Regions who cannot live in peace for negative competition, it was too backward to create federalism under Menilik thus the need for to centralize and stop the civil war, the slavery commodity, etc! Except the intervention of Italy's attempt to colonize under Ase Minilik, and Ase H/Selassie, Ethiopia as unified was at peace with itself therefore was able by the kings to develop Ethiopia: telephone, trains, airports so on. If Zemenemesafint continued, let alone peace and development, you would be slaves and living on tree acting like baboon! Thanks to all Ases by the way. Good or bad they did their own good shares from Ase Yohanes and before till Ase H Selassie.

Also you need to make correction during Axum, Eritrea was part of Ethiopia and colonization did not exist during Axumite emp

All this shiit must be from your arse, not from your mouth. Stinks like devil.

[ethiopianunity]

DDT
Like always, like all hodam PPs, you are approaching pilitical science from a narrow angle of pundits or a political party of selective narrative despite truth and despite law. Why don't you start with the theoretical defintion of colonization and
then test whether Menelicik's conquests fit the definition of colonization.

I know you come from, you just want to waste my time.

Did Oromia exist in 1886, if it didn't like Noble Amhara indicated, then there is no colonization of what never existed. I am not much interested to the definition of colonization for now.

The Gojames rebelled against Shewan Haile Selassie and during the 1940s and in the 1880s they rebelled against menelik. If you were to ask the Gojames in the 1940s and 1890s they would have told you the Shewan Aristrocrats were "Colonizing" their Gojjam

Today Gojames glorify both Menelik and Haile Selassie and have forgotten their crimes such as the Hanging of Belay Zeleke in 1945 in Gojjam. Why?

Because Haile Selassie and Menelik were Amharic Speaking Orthodox Christians so their crimes were forgotten.... as showing African tribal bias.

NA,

Do not use the term "colonizing" that term belongs to Western actions controlling other nations for resource appropriation! I do not believe Gojames used " colonization" when they fought with Shewa kingdom.?lt was all about for power. No one is doing any research exactly what happened we are speculating everything instead we dot our lazy a... including me speculating. It will give great advantage to teach the new generations the true history of Ethiopia. So now l know where you are getting at and writing this so you can attack Orthodox. You just lied that Gojames today they like Menilik and H Selassie. I don't know about Menilik but from personal experience 10 years ago under Tplf , and under Derg, there seem to be coordinated mobilization of under cover Gojames! Derg, Tplf have foreigners advising them, l think so was Gojames. Why did Tplf chose Gojames to control Addis Abebans to spy for them while Addis residents were not free in their own city and boys no longer were free outside playing soccer, men standing at Shemsu Suk talking and joking? The Gojes youth wearing their green blanket were working as day laborers and freer roaming streets of Addis. Why most members in Derg including Mengistu's wife Woubanchi Gojames? When we say Gojame we should be cautious that certain groups within Gojame have organized covertly like Tplf for power take over? More stories are being revealed as most accuse in Er, it could be Agews in Gojam?

Going back to what l was saying...10 years ago, Gojames like Tplf and Protestants were booming economically and with businesses . I was in office of one young man,based on our amicable discussion, he told me he was from Gojam and it was nice..the conversation somehow veered to past leaders of Ethiopia. To my surprise he told me he hated to the bone Ase H Selassie and obviously l knew he was on revenge spree for Belai Zeleke. The young man told me also Ase H/ Selassie was generally bad leader that while the Arbegnoch were fighting with Italians, the king escaped to England. In fact some people in general not just this young man, do accuse Ase H Selassie escaping to England while Arbegnoch were fighting with Italy. I tried to be logical and told him, being marred with ethnicity is not good for the country and told him that if Belai Zeleke was from Welayta, would he have cared? I added, whether right or wrong what Ase H Selassie did is very common in another part of the world that threaten authority of kings, Dejach Balcha Safo and Ase H Selassie did not get along as well and Balcha Aba Safo was sent to Gizot! I continued, it should not happen because of one hero died wrongfully or rightfully the nation itself should not be compromised because of revenge. Plus, the level of danger death and destruction what Derg did to Ethiopia death toll 3 millions Ethiopians under Derg was worse than one hero Belai Zeleke dying. The young man Gojame did not budge , he said h did not care what Derg and how many people died under Derg that Ase H/Selassie was to him the most evil man. Fast forward today, despite pp, the resistance in Gojam is very strong today and why? Why Gojame Zemene Cassie once again allied with Tplf and Shabia fighting pp?

I learned that the Gojames were booming under Tplf rule because : 1. Tplf needed alliance of Gojam if it stole land from Welo, Afar and Gonder. To strengthen this alliance, Meles lied to the Gojames that his grand father was Gojame. There is rumor also there are Gojames living in Tigray who went there as part of Ethiopian army for many years, married with children and became Tigrayan. By the way moving from one region to another in Ethiopia and becoming from their new region is very common and that is in fact what is holding a nation united. 2. Gojames were duped by Tplf that, in return for economic growth in Baher Dar as second big city of Ethiopia, Tplf carved out Nile that was part of Gojam and made it a new region called Beshangul Gumuz. Why? Because for thousands of years, God truly lives / control in Nile region that gave the people of the region Ethiopia/Misir/ancient Egypt the first civilization of the world! Who ever today controls Nile, will control not just the region but the world in today's advanced civilization so the foreigners has to snatch Nile not just from Gojam but also from Ethiopia. I do not believe Nile is in Ethiopia's hand today. This was the reason to distract Ethiopians with non sensical ethnic issue by dividing Ethiopians while Nile has been snatched from Ethiopians.

[Abere]

This constitutes sockpuppeting, in which the same individual uses both the “DDT” and “Noble Amhara” accounts to ask and answer the question.

ከደርግ በፊት ኦሮሞ ወይም ኦሮምያ የሚባል ስም በታሪክ ተሰምቶ አያውቅም። አሁን "ኦሮሞ" ነህ የተባለው ህዝብ ለእራሱ ይህ ስያሜ እንግዳ ነው። የትግሬ ወያኔ የለጠፈችው ስም እና ክልል ካርታ በጣልያን የተፈጠረ የከፋፍለህ ግዛው እንጅ ኦሮምያ የሚባል ሰፈርም፤ መንደርም፤ ምድር የለም። እራሱን አሁን የኦነግ ብሎ የሚጠራው ለአፍሪካ አንድነት ይሁን ለአለም ድርጅቶች የሚያስተዋውቅበት ስም "ኦሮሞ" አልነበረም። ይህ ስም ለኦነግ እራሱ እንግዳ ነገር ነው።ይህ ጉዳይ የሚያስጨንቃቸው ኦሮሙማዎች ለምን የአባ ባህርይ ዜናሁ ለጋላ እውነተኛ መጽሀፍ አታነቡም? የተስፋየ ግብረእባብ ልብወልድ ድርስት ህሌናችሁን ከሚያጨቀየው።