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[Abere]

በዚህ በሰለጠነ ዘመን የሰው ልጅ ይህን ያህል ቂላቂል መሆኑ ይገርማል።
Yes, this is Axumezana's cult - which totally has nothing to do Christianity. This is fraud. They call themselves ነብይ; and sadly, people easily get fooled. የተቀበረ ትኩስ እሬሳ ከመቃብር እናስነሳለን ብለው እኮ መቃብር እስቆፈረው ተነሳ ተራመድ! ሂድ ቸረረረረረ ያሉ እኮ እብዶች ናቸው።የክርስቶስ ደቀመዛሙርት በልዩ ልሳን ተናገሩ፤ ክርስቶስ አላዛርን ከሞት አስነሳ ሲባል ስለሰሙ በቅተናል፤ ብጹዕነን በማለት በግ ከተገኘ ለማጭበርበር ነው።

Axumezana certainly can fake speaking by using collection of nonsense words.

[Odie]

በዚህ በሰለጠነ ዘመን የሰው ልጅ ይህን ያህል ቂላቂል መሆኑ ይገርማል።
Yes, this is Axumezana's cult - which totally has nothing to do Christianity. This is fraud. They call themselves ነብይ; and sadly, people easily get fooled. የተቀበረ ትኩስ እሬሳ ከመቃብር እናስነሳለን ብለው እኮ መቃብር እስቆፈረው ተነሳ ተራመድ! ሂድ ቸረረረረረ ያሉ እኮ እብዶች ናቸው።የክርስቶስ ደቀመዛሙርት በልዩ ልሳን ተናገሩ፤ ክርስቶስ አላዛርን ከሞት አስነሳ ሲባል ስለሰሙ በቅተናል፤ ብጹዕነን በማለት በግ ከተገኘ ለማጭበርበር ነው።

Axumezana certainly can fake speaking by using collection of nonsense words.

Nope Abere,
You are seeing things through your own Lense, likely Orthodox Christian. The second thing is trashing others religion is absolutely wrong if you believe in free society. Tongue is a respected spiritual experience and based on the bible. In a free society a person can worship even stone henge, cow dung or even a cow like Hindu and you can do nothing about it as far as it is within legal limits. That is why well-meant people advocate government should be separate from religion. That is what you see in USA. There are innumerable religions in USA. Including paganism and scientology. As far as people don't encroach on your right, you cannot bash their religion out of hate or malice. In Ethiopia, during the kings era (not Derg that was anti-religion), orthodox was government religion and all other religions were relegated. That is one of the countries fault lines current ethno-fascists are trying to use by victimizing Ethiopian Orthodox church for which all segments of society has been trying to stand against. So, the time has changed. In Ethiopia a lot of religions have burgeoned. Specially EPRDF has to take credit for that because religious liberty was mostly respects specially for evangelicals. The current government is victimizing evangelicals by using the for political reason. We know Orthodox has been categorized as enemy whenever it did not serve the rulers purpose. As you see religion in Eritrea and Ethiopia is very complex. In Eritrea a lot of evangelicals have been arrested and imprisoned. This is a human right abuse. So, I can say, in Ethiopia, people have to be careful not to bring further division and abuse by talking about religion insensitively. We know what is happening in Arsi and few days ago in Wolega. We have to be careful not to be part of evil work in the country. We should preach tolerance and respect not otherwise.

[Misraq]

Brother Odie, I do respect you and your opinions. Peraphs you are one of the few I respect here. your intelligence & your dignity is rare here so I used maximum restraints before I opened this subject.

This thread is opened to counter Axumezana and Fasil bashing our Orthodox. It is a reaction and it wasn't meant to provocate. The message for Axumezana is "Respect ours if you want us to respect yours". Peraphs best he and Fasil be told from their own religious brother (you) than I drag them down to the mud and embrace them. I have a 200 IQ and I am powerful when it comes to reasonings

Here, A pastor for 25 years exposed the works of Kundalini hindu Spirit in charismatic, Pentecostal & full gospel churches.

[Odie]

A pastor for 25 years exposed the works of Kundalini hindu Spirit in charismatic, Pentecostal & full gospel churches.

You may post some cult manifestations etc. But insulting the whole protestants/evangelicals is outright wrong. I am not saying all the practices are correct. There can always be some mistakes as humans are involved. To say some group is doing it wrong or right I ave to listen, dig their history etc and come to conclusion. So, just perusing a YouTube post and bash a religious practice is not acceptable. By the way protestants are so diverse and many of which may be charismatic or non-charismatic. Even there is difference in some practices of evangelicals based on theological education, spiritual personal or church practice etc. For example, I don't attend Only Jesus Christian or Jehovah witness churches because they have clear doctrinal differences form where I go. Dr Hailemariam, the Ex-PM has a church which I believe is doctrinally different from mainstream evangelicals. They dance when they worship. This can happen in evangelical churches with sound theology not as an enforced practice but a personal act. In Ethiopia there are preachers I personally don't acknowledge because some are outright involved in ethnic hate. I don't generally agree on prosperity gospel and those who will prophesize for money will be transferred to your personal account or those who collect to much wealth which is against Jesus's teaching. Those groups may jump a lot. That does not mean the spirit is not among them. Because the bible talks about chef and grain. Paul in first Corinthian warns to be careful on what preachers build people on. Not on money or worldly things but on Jesus. Their fruit will be revealed before God eventually and they will account for it.
Overall, we criticize some of the practices and object them according to the Bible. People do mistakes. But taking side as Orthodox Christian, Pentecostal, catholic and put up shaming one another instead of working on differences is like requesting Christ's body to fight itself as the bible says the church is the body of Christ. In any case, as with many of the long-standing complex problems in Ethiopia, religious hate is one of them. There is a good segment of the society that hates protestants irrespective of their division and there is now another segment of the Ethiopian society that started to hate orthodox church and there is division within itself. Islam is a separate issue. Any wise politician of the future should acknowledge the societal changes that took place in Ethiopia in the past 50 years. You cannot ride the same old horse again and again, whatever that means. You have to finding an ideology that redeems the current society. This is the internet generation which you cannot trick or push something by force as it will be discovered soon-that is what PP is facing. Muslims now are large in number. Protestants are well >10% or the major religions, orthodox is still a major religion; there is a segment of the society that may be so called non-Abrahamic religion (waqa or other) and atheist. So, government has to be divorced from religion. All regions have to be respected within legal framework. Ethnic expressions, cultural appreciation and expression, self-administration need to be addressed together with citizen-based democracy. If the country does not provide attention to these, if the country remains divided, hate and waring will continue. These are realties sticking out that no one should be oblivious about.

[Misraq]

Brother Odie,

I am careful on referring which charismatic movement practices occult and Kundalini in their churches. as I said, I have a great respect to the menonite church, Lutheran and baptist. Those are early protestant churches in Ethiopia where you don't see them being dramatic and worldly like the recent full gospel ሙሉ ወንጌል and others that made Christianity a joke.

Even though we have doctrinal differences, I do respect the Lutheran church for banning tongues and accepting Orthodox baptized members to not require further baptism. But we all know that the thousands of protestant clones are becoming far from christs teaching and the true church.

Please take a look the below video and be a judge to yourself. As I said earlier, this thread was meant to counter Axumezana and prosperity gospel believer Fasil who I saw bashing our Orthodox Christianity. But I think it is educational for anyone interested

[Odie]

Brother Odie,

I am careful on referring which charismatic movement practices occult and Kundalini in their churches. as I said, I have a great respect to the menonite church, Lutheran and baptist. Those are early protestant churches in Ethiopia where you don't see them being dramatic and worldly like the recent full gospel ሙሉ ወንጌል and others that made Christianity a joke.

Even though we have doctrinal differences, I do respect the Lutheran church for banning tongues and accepting Orthodox baptized members to not require further baptism. But we all know that the thousands of protestant clones are becoming far from christs teaching and the true church.

Please take a look the below video and be a judge to yourself. As I said earlier, this thread was meant to counter Axumezana and prosperity gospel believer Fasil who I saw bashing our Orthodox Christianity. But I think it is educational for anyone interested

Understood. Sometimes even in a major church the devil may mimick speaking in tongue in a new believer who is still in sin and may be discerned and cast out. I saw that happen. Sometimes people falsely may fake tongue because of the wish to be filled with the holy spirit and in fact the devil may enter them but these are exceptionally rare and don’t happen in true church or the right believer.
Remember protestant is a big group and the same to evangelicals. There could be abdifference among each congregations. The classic non orthodox christians in Ethiopia are: መካነ የሱሰ/Luthern ( some tend to be linient like on drinking, smoking, divorce etc.. some are warm but others could be pretty secular)-I used to go there when churches were closed during Derg era but not my first choice for above reason; then ቃለ ህይወት (I used to go there during Derg era when others were closed); then መስረተ ክርስቶስ and ሙሉ ወንጌል:: No we have Gospel light Minsteries (pastor Daniel Mekonen one of my favorites). There are many other sound churches all under አብያተ ክርስቲያናት ህብረት (not the one by The PM) that know what they are doing and usually members of Ethiopian bible society. The problem is with the so called prophets and young self appointed pastors and with less experience or false teaching often talk politically charged doctrinally flawed things and speak in insensitive way. So, the issue is a lot complex and የአብያተ ክርስቲያናት ህብረት has to do a lot to weed out false teachings and excommunicate them.
This is with regard to protestant churchs. With the current Pope, the catholic church showed some softening by saying ONLY JESUS can forgive sin and intercede. This is quite significant. One of the things I don’t accept from churches the likes of Catholic and others is veneration of the dead etc which opens a path to very [ deleted ] ancestor sports. In many parts of africa people go for divination to speak to their dead ancestors. This is very dangerous demonic interaction and in Islam as well as in some christianity this practice of worshiping or even sacrificing animals exists.
it is time for orthodox church to self examine and look at some of centuries old practices and accommodate the demands of its members based on scripture. Some of the things I like they started to do are being able to preach in plain language Amharic beyond Geez and the youth song currently called አእላፋት ዝማሬ. They have good things. They have to emphasize the salvation through Jesus concept and many other things. Otherwise it is risking divisions and groups leaving from the main church etc.

[Misraq]

Odie,

Which denomination you follow. From what I see, you are Full Gospel (ሙሉ ወንጌል). In my view, this dinomination is a charismatic branch that brought Kundalini and false spirit such as tongues, spiritual slaying, involuntary jerks, and uncontrolled shaking, laughter ...etc in which all of it is from the devil itself.

I do believe Lutheran are not the way you tried to present them. I had Lutheran friends in Derg era and they were disciplined. The reason the fanatic Full Gospel attack Lutheran's is because Lutheran's rejected the charismatic dramas of Kundalini spirit and Lutherans say baptism is once where they don't rebaptise converts from chatolic and Orthodox. Remember, Lutheran was founded by Luther himself in the 16th century and there is historical evidence that Luther was influenced by Ethiopian Orthodox monk when opposed papal authority on all christindom.

As to intercession and the catholics recent announcement you mentioned, I have no clue they made a change on their belief. But intercession of Christ and the saints are two different things according to early church's teachings. The early church's teachings where both Orthodox & Catholics subscribe to says Jesus intercedes just once on the cross. That is for our salvation from the sin and eternal condemnation. No body can do that except Jesus. But the saints intercession is all about one praying for the others and the entire Bible is a good reference to that. I am not sure why Protestants oppose that and in some instances, they go on further by insulting the saints and our holy mother too.

As to the dead not knowing about the living, Protestants again make a grave error. The following biblical text where Jesus himself narrated about the deads having full knowledges about the living opposes Protestants teaching.

Luke 16:19-31
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

[Naga Tuma]

ከፈረዖዎች ዘመናት ጀምሮ ፈርሃ እግዝኣብሔር የነበረ ሕዝብን “Good fearing” እያልክ ቀባጥር። እግዝኣብሔር በተዓምራዊ አሰራሩ ፈርሃ እግዝኣብሔር የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ፊት ኣፍርጦህ ከረምቡላዬን ልጫወት እያልክ።

ተዓምራዊ አሰራሩ በትንቢተ ዳንኤል ምዕራፍ አስራ ሁለት፣ ሁለት ቁጥሩ ብቻ ፍርድ የሰጠዉ መጽሓፉ ዉስጥ ለተገኙት ስህተቶች ጭምር ነዉ።

የጻፍከዉን ሳላነብ በፊት ኣንድ በጣም የገረመኝን ርዕስ ልከፍት ተመኘሁ።

ኢትዮጵያ ዉስጥ ድሮ እግዝኣብሔር ዬለም ብሎ ማሳመን በጣም ከባድ ነበር።

በዚህ ዘመን ደግሞ እግዝኣብሔር በአሰራሩ ኣለ ብሎ ማሳመን በጣም ከባድ ሆነ።

ስለዚህ በዚህ ግዮርጊስ ቀን ኣዲስ ርዕስ ከመጀመር ሀሳቡን ለጻፍከዉ መልስ ላድርገዉ።

እኔ እ አ አ ከ1992 በኋላ በዉስጤ ኣማኝ ብሆንም ቤተክርስትያን ሄጄ የማላዉቅ ሰዉ ነኝ።

ለዚህ ያህል ዓመታት ቤተክርስትያን ሄዶ የማያዉቅ ሰዉ ኣንተ እና ዮሓንስ ለታ ዐይነቱን ክርስትያኖች ነን ባዮችን ስለ እግዝኣብሔር አሰራር መኖር ማስተማር እና ማሳመን መጣር ትልቅ እንቆቅልሽ ሆኖብኛል።

ኣሳምኖኛል ብለህ የምትሰግድለት ከልቡ የምያምነዉ እግዝኣብሔር ስለሌለ የእግዝኣብሔር ልጅ ኣድርጋችሁኝ ስገዱልኝ የሚል መሆኑ ግልጽ ካልሆነልህ ሀሰተኛ ኣማኝ ነህ ማለት ነዉ።

እኔ ስለ እግዝኣብሔር መኖሩ ተዓምራቱን በመቁጠር ብመክርም ሁላችሁም ጆሮ ዳባ ልበስ ብላችሁ እየገፋችሁበት ነዉ።

አክሱምኢዛና ባይገባዉ ነዉ እንጂ በጣም ብዙ ተዓምራትን ቆጥሮ ስለ እግዝኣብሔር ኣለመኖር በጣም ተሳስቻለሁ ማለት ይችል ነበር።

በርባቸ ኮፍ ኤርገምቴ ያለ ሰዉ እራሱ ተገለጠልኝ ያለዉን እንዴት ነዉ መርሳት የሚችለዉ?

የእግዝኣብሔር አሰራር ኣፄ ሀይለስላሴ ላይ ኣድሮ ኢሳያስ ኣልሰማም ሲል ኩታ ኣጥልቆለት ኣልፍቶት ፈርሃ እግዝኣብሔርነት በስፍራዉ መመለስ ማለት ነዉ።

የእግዝኣብሔር አሰራር ማለት በተዓምራዊ አሰራሩ ፌድ ኣፕን እዚህ መድረክ ዉስጥ የመጀመርያዉ ሰለባ ያደረገ ማለት ነዉ።

የእግዝኣብሔር አስራር ማለት ኣንተን እዚህ መድረክ ዉስጥ ሁለተኛዉ ሰለባ ያደረገ ማለት ነዉ።

ሁለታችሁም ምልክቱን ኣይታችሁ የእግዝኣብሔርን ተዓምራዊ አሰራር ንቃችሁ የምትንፈራገጡ ናችሁ።

ዚመሰሎ ሶስተኛዉ ሰለባ የሆነ ይሆን ማለትን እያሰላሰልኩኝ ነዉ።

ድሮ የተጻፈ መንፈሳዊ ነገር እያላችሁ በዚህ ዘመን ፊት ለፊታችሁ ያሉትን መንፈሳዊ ነገሮችን ኣንብባችሁ የማይገባችሁ ምን ዐይነት ፍጡሮች ናችሁ?

Axumezana won respect because he knows Jesus is the only way to the father and life.

About the holy sporit and tongue:
ትንቢተ ኢዮኤል 2: 28-29.
ከዚህም በኋላ እንዲህ ይሆናል፤ መንፈሴን በሥጋ ለባሽ ሁሉ ላይ አፈስሳለሁ፤ ወንዶችና ሴቶች ልጆቻችሁም ትንቢት ይናገራሉ፥ ሽማግሌዎቻችሁም ሕልምን ያልማሉ፥ ጐበዞቻችሁም ራእይ ያያሉ፤ደግሞም በዚያ ወራት በወንዶችና በሴቶች ባሪያዎች ላይ መንፈሴን አፈስሳለሁ፤

የሐዋርያት ሥራ 10: 44፤-46:
ጴጥሮስ ይህን ነገር ገና ሲናገር ቃሉን በሰሙት ሁሉ ላይ መንፈስ ቅዱስ ወረደ። ከጴጥሮስም ጋር የመጡት ሁሉ ከተገረዙት ወገን የሆኑ ምዕመናን በአሕዛብ ላይ ደግሞ የመንፈስ ቅዱስ ስጦታ ስለ ፈሰሰ ተገረሙ፤ በልሳኖች ሲናገሩ እግዚአብሔርንም ሲያከብሩ ሰምተዋቸዋልና።

1ኛ ቆሮንቶስ 12:10፤ ለአንዱም ትንቢትን መናገር፥ ለአንዱም መናፍስትን መለየት፥ ለአንዱም በልዩ ዓይነት ልሳን መናገር፥ ለአንዱም በልሳኖች የተነገረውን መተርጎም ይሰጠዋል፤

Nothing new. Anyone who believes in Jesus and sets apart the flesh under spirit control can speak in tongue. Can everybody receive holyspirit yes if some one believes and follows Jesus. See verse in Joel above. Can everybody speak tongue? not necessarly. Are all tongues from holy spirit? in a small percentage no. The devil and a fleshly person can fake but easy to identify. Do all tongues have meaning like a language? No. Some tongues could be heavily communications of prayers. Why tongue? it can be communication or prayer to heaven as mentioned by apostle paul or at times other people may know the tongue and could interpret to the public or the tongue may speak private matter to those who understand the meaning. This is well supported with verses in the bible.
Do all Christian sects believe in baptism with holy spirit and speaking in tongue? No! Catholics, orthodox and even some in protestantism don’t accept because they believe this only happened and ceased at the time of Appstles but no verse to suppprt that. The gift was lost during church division and weakening but it in large scale restarted in Azusa street california prayer meetings centuries back through a black evangelist called brother Seymour and it is known as The Azusa revival-a huge wonder and miracles documented in history even documented by secular news papers.
Can you show random movements and dancing all that when the spirit falls an people? It can happen because they are experiencing supernatural event and may even not know what they do. What is called “drunk in spirit” or spiritual bliss specially by beginners. Bu the bible says believers can control the spirit as it is humble to yield to human self control. Again, when things like that happen, others should discern what is going on as fake spirits and flesh can manifest the same way in a very rare scenario. All in all everything should pass through the scripture and discerning. Yes, the spirit of God is at work even today and it is not good to speak in offensive way when something spiritual beyond our explanation happens. It is not a problem to scrutinize obvious mistakes according to the word/Bible.

Naga Tuna
With respect,
አሁንም እየቀባጠርክ ነው:: Because you did not say what you are asking clearly, I have to say nothing in detail. Firstly I am not trying to push my religion in no man’s moth as the Bible says let those who listen, listen. Those who don’t listen dust your cloth/foot and leave them alone. GOD HAS PROVIDED free will to his creatures to believe in his son or not to believe. If it was a forced work, God could have sent catastrophes or Angels and force everybody to believe. So everybody has to make own decision.
I just have mostly expressed my belief and experience. I am not defending no one. I responded because the initial post bashes all protestants which is equivalent to saying my religion is better than your. That is wrong because at the end date we are going to answer to our maker per the Bible by our individual faith in Jesus not by dividing us Orthodox, catholic or protestant etc. In Romans, the Bible says even the nonbelievers, animists, atheist will be judged by the conscience as God placed the knowledge of bad and good in all humans.
Ethiopians used to be very Good fearing or religious but that changed a lot during Derg era (ታዲያስ አለን ዘመን እግዚአብሄር ይመስገንን የተካበት ጊዜ), increased secular media and entertainment plus liberal college education. Now the global trend looks going back to conservatism or back to God as evolution and other God killing theories of the 50-60’s are somewhat losing ground.
I know you are ቃሎ ቃልቻ ኢሬቻ person and the christian doctrine is not going to be easy for ya. I personally don’t in ቃሎ ቃልቻ ኢሬቻ but it is up to you to worship or not this or that. You have the God given full freedom of choosing your fate. The right to religion is a human right per global convention.

[Naga Tuma]

Religious discussion is never easy.

Was until this time in human history.

Tongues in charismatic Protestantism is a demonic practice where they pull foreign spirit to take over the body of innocent spiritually weak souls. The charismatic Pentecostal movement brought it from India Hindu religion and introduced it first in America and Wales.

The Lutheran church doesn't accept this practice so does many early protestant churches. The charismatic Pentecostals experiment with a lot of eastern practices and used it for their dramas.

All tongue references in the bible refers to existing languages. Acts 2 clearly states that the disciples when they were filled with tongue ( languages) they preached and people of Egypt, Lybia, Rome, Greece all listen to them and gotten surprised about it.

In areas like minor agia where diverse ethnicities lived together with different languages, tongue interpretors were used to speak and interpret when one deciple speaks in the major language.

Religious discussion is never easy. That is why the first church of the apostles divided with time as a result of doctrines added by later christians or humans and heresy etc. That is why today each church has its own number of bible books and dogma! I am not going to keep the discussion long but what you posted is totally wrong.

For your information tongues could be understood or may not; just be means of mysterious communication between a believer and heavens. As far as you know the bible, it is not difficult to discern devils work. Not at all. And demon sports can not stand where Gods spirit works.
In Acts 2 you see clear understandable language the purpose of which was to help the non believers convert to christianity.
However in 1chorntians chapter 14 paul speaks about a tongue not necessarly understood by people which means a language only heavenly powers can decipher. Below is the explanation. It is up to you to stay with your belief but best to respect others religion and in turn people should respect your belief system.

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The Bible indicates that whether a "tongue" is understood depends on the specific circumstances and type of tongue being spoken, as some are meant to be immediately clear while others are not.

The New Testament describes different manifestations of speaking in tongues:

Known Human Languages (Acts 2): On the day of Pentecost, the apostles spoke in different, actual human languages that they had not previously known. People from various nations present in Jerusalem at the time could naturally understand the message in their own native languages. In this context, the tongues were immediately understood by the hearers and served as a sign to unbelievers.

A "Prayer Language" or "Mysteries" (1 Corinthians 14): The Apostle Paul describes a type of tongue where the speaker is communicating directly with God in a language no one (including the speaker) understands unless there is an interpretation. Paul states: "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 14:2). This type is primarily for personal spiritual edification.
Public Use with Interpretation (1 Corinthians 14): In a church assembly, if someone speaks in tongues, the Bible instructs that an interpreter must be present so the message can be understood by everyone and the entire church can be edified. The person speaking in tongues, or another individual with the distinct gift of interpretation, would then provide the meaning in the common language of the assembly. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should remain silent in the church and speak to himself and to God.

In summary, the Bible presents situations where tongues are immediately understandable human languages, and other situations where they are a personal "mystery" understood only by God unless a separate spiritual gift of interpretation is exercised for the benefit of the church.

[Misraq]

Does anyone read what Nega Tuma writes? Personally I don't

[Naga Tuma]

ቃሉ፣ ቃልቻ፣ እሬቻ፣ ጥምቀተ እየተባልኩ ስለሆነ ቃልቸ ቃሉ መሆን ከቻልኩ ብዬ ቃላትን እያጠናሁኝ ነዉ።

1. ኤርገምቴ ከተባለ ከን ኤርጌ ጅረ ኣለ ማለት ነዉ።

2. ክርስቶስ ነኝ ከተባለ ስ ህን አመኑ ያ ዱአ ኣለ ማለት ሳይሆን እንደ ክርስቶስ ነብሱን የሰጠ ኣለ ማለት ነዉ።

3. ታጋይ ነኝ ከተባለ ስ ህን አመኑ ያ ዱአ ኣለ ማለት ሳይሆን ሰብን ኩን ሰበ ጋሪ ዸ፣ ዱአኒፍስ ኦማ ምት ኣለ ማለት ነዉ።

4. ኣማኝ ነኝ ከተባለ ነምን ህን ሶበ፣ ኡርጂን ህን ሶቡ ያለ ዬት ኣለ ብሎ ጠየቀ ማለት ነዉ።

እነዚህን ምልክቶች ብቻ ኣንብቦ ተገለጠልኝ ማለት ያልቻለ ክልንካል ሪታርድ እንጂ ምንድነዉ?

Odie,

Please have shame when you copy and paste from your Google search AI mode

The purpose of tongue in early church was simple. The disciples were not literate. They needed to preach all over the world, hence they were given the gift of the holy Spirit in the form of tongue where they can preach in any languages or regions. Acts 2 is all about that.

What the Corinthians says is totally misinterpreted by current charismatic Pentecostal movements. This practice did not exist 100 years ago. 200 years ago....or 1000 years ago. Paul did not talk about the practice in your church. What your church practices is Kundalini.

For some reason, both you and Axumezana refused to answer this. Please see the similarities and why?

[Naga Tuma]

የጥንት የጠዋቱ የኢትዮጵያ እግዝኣብሔር ሲቀጣ እና በታሪክ ፊት ሲቀጠቅጥ እንዲህ ነዉ።

በዚህ በሰለጠነ ዘመን የሰው ልጅ ይህን ያህል ቂላቂል መሆኑ ይገርማል።
Yes, this is Axumezana's cult - which totally has nothing to do Christianity. This is fraud. They call themselves ነብይ; and sadly, people easily get fooled. የተቀበረ ትኩስ እሬሳ ከመቃብር እናስነሳለን ብለው እኮ መቃብር እስቆፈረው ተነሳ ተራመድ! ሂድ ቸረረረረረ ያሉ እኮ እብዶች ናቸው።የክርስቶስ ደቀመዛሙርት በልዩ ልሳን ተናገሩ፤ ክርስቶስ አላዛርን ከሞት አስነሳ ሲባል ስለሰሙ በቅተናል፤ ብጹዕነን በማለት በግ ከተገኘ ለማጭበርበር ነው።

Axumezana certainly can fake speaking by using collection of nonsense words.

Nope Abere,
You are seeing things through your own Lense, likely Orthodox Christian. The second thing is trashing others religion is absolutely wrong if you believe in free society. Tongue is a respected spiritual experience and based on the bible. In a free society a person can worship even stone henge, cow dung or even a cow like Hindu and you can do nothing about it as far as it is within legal limits. That is why well-meant people advocate government should be separate from religion. That is what you see in USA. There are innumerable religions in USA. Including paganism and scientology. As far as people don't encroach on your right, you cannot bash their religion out of hate or malice. In Ethiopia, during the kings era (not Derg that was anti-religion), orthodox was government religion and all other religions were relegated. That is one of the countries fault lines current ethno-fascists are trying to use by victimizing Ethiopian Orthodox church for which all segments of society has been trying to stand against. So, the time has changed. In Ethiopia a lot of religions have burgeoned. Specially EPRDF has to take credit for that because religious liberty was mostly respects specially for evangelicals. The current government is victimizing evangelicals by using the for political reason. We know Orthodox has been categorized as enemy whenever it did not serve the rulers purpose. As you see religion in Eritrea and Ethiopia is very complex. In Eritrea a lot of evangelicals have been arrested and imprisoned. This is a human right abuse. So, I can say, in Ethiopia, people have to be careful not to bring further division and abuse by talking about religion insensitively. We know what is happening in Arsi and few days ago in Wolega. We have to be careful not to be part of evil work in the country. We should preach tolerance and respect not otherwise.

[Naga Tuma]

ኦቦ ለታ ቃሉዎች ስለምያዉቁት መለኮታዊ ነገር ያስተማሩህ ነበረ?

Does anyone read what Nega Tuma writes? Personally I don't

[Abere]

Odie,
I am not against people exercising their right to worship, but against fraudsters who rip off innocent people. More importantly, when this issue is viewed in the context of Ethiopia, these cults are 100% engaged in the business of stalking believers who are Orthodox Christians, though not necessarily actively practicing their faith. These are wolves in sheep’s clothing, coming under the pretext of freedom of religion, yet on a mission to steal the flock from the Orthodox faith—the original and age-old Christianity.

By the way, the Pentecostal faith emerged by appropriating the occurrence of speaking in different languages through the Holy Spirit. At that time, it served as a testament—to show that Christ is indeed God and that His word was to be spread across all races and languages. That was miraculous. Now, however, the Gospel is preached across the globe, and people no longer need such miracles. Yet Pentecostals try to mislead people into believing that they can still perform the same acts today. Unlike the true disciples and early congregations, which were filled with meaning and purpose, these fake Pentecostals are filled with their own gibberish. Many of these individuals are known to suffer from psychological instability.

The major problem with cults or individuals who exhibit deviant behavior is not merely that they are so, but that they actively engage in recruiting others en masse and, in doing so, destroy society.

Honestly, what is the difference between a fake Pentecostal prophet (imagine, they even call themselves prophets) and a shaman who utters gibberish words? At least the shaman may not intentionally deceive, but these self-proclaimed “prophets” in suits certainly do.

Have you noticed how busy Axumezana has been—not practicing his own faith, but instead preying on Orthodox Christianity, serving as a paid agent to spread an anti-Christian belief?

Nope Abere,
You are seeing things through your own Lense, likely Orthodox Christian. The second thing is trashing others religion is absolutely wrong if you believe in free society. Tongue is a respected spiritual experience and based on the bible. In a free society a person can worship even stone henge, cow dung or even a cow like Hindu and you can do nothing about it as far as it is within legal limits. That is why well-meant people advocate government should be separate from religion. That is what you see in USA. There are innumerable religions in USA. Including paganism and scientology. As far as people don't encroach on your right, you cannot bash their religion out of hate or malice. In Ethiopia, during the kings era (not Derg that was anti-religion), orthodox was government religion and all other religions were relegated. That is one of the countries fault lines current ethno-fascists are trying to use by victimizing Ethiopian Orthodox church for which all segments of society has been trying to stand against. So, the time has changed. In Ethiopia a lot of religions have burgeoned. Specially EPRDF has to take credit for that because religious liberty was mostly respects specially for evangelicals. The current government is victimizing evangelicals by using the for political reason. We know Orthodox has been categorized as enemy whenever it did not serve the rulers purpose. As you see religion in Eritrea and Ethiopia is very complex. In Eritrea a lot of evangelicals have been arrested and imprisoned. This is a human right abuse. So, I can say, in Ethiopia, people have to be careful not to bring further division and abuse by talking about religion insensitively. We know what is happening in Arsi and few days ago in Wolega. We have to be careful not to be part of evil work in the country. We should preach tolerance and respect not otherwise.