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[DefendTheTruth]

ኢትዮጵያን ሦስት ነገር ያስፈልጋታል፤ ሰላም፣ ልማት፣ እና የባሕር በር፣ የተከበሩ የጦር ኃይሎች ኢታማቮር ሹም፣ ፊልድ ማርሻል ብርሃኑ ጁላ፣ በዛሬዉ ዕለት (ጥቅምት 15፣ 2018 አ ም)፡:

የባሕር በር እናገኛለን፣ በባሌም ሆነ በቦሌ፣ ብሎዋል ፊልድ ማርሻሉ፣ አክሎዉም።

በባሌም በቦሌም!

BTW.: one of (at least) of those you see on the front seat in line, who became today honorary members of ENDF, was a member of OLF, who came back from Eritrea at the beginning of this change.

This is one of the indices of the foundational depth of the change itself.

[Zack]

Without being a proponent of war but for the sake of argument without any expertise in international law, if it is established through a discovery process under the law that Meles Zenawi as a leader of Ethiopia was biased in favor of Eritrea and Eritrea was aware at the highest level of its leadership that Meles Zenawi wasn’t a neutral arbiter, can you cite any international law that doesn’t implicate both parties about the referendum process?

Even if one argues that the EPRDF was not democratically legitimate when it came to power in 1991, it was the effective governing authority of Ethiopia at the time it exercised control over the state apparatus, administered the territory, and conducted foreign relations.

In international law, effective control and recognition generally outweigh questions of internal legitimacy. The United Nations, the Organisation of African Unity (OAU, now AU), and the international community all recognised the EPRDF as the lawful government of Ethiopia. Once a government is recognised and acts on behalf of the state, its acts are considered legally attributable to the state itself, not to the ruling party.

Even if one later challenges the legitimacy of a former government, its international acts remain binding upon the state. Otherwise, international relations would become chaotic, with every new regime repudiating its predecessors’ treaties, recognitions, or borders. This principle ex factis jus oritur law arises from facts ensures continuity and stability in the international order indeed.


Dr Zackovich

Biased how he led the cabinet and parliament know he also said that the people of Eritrea will be given the choice to go it alone or to be with Ethiopia in a referendum. I think that is the only way to find peace how on earth do you want people who do not want to be part of your country in some sort of imprisonment

[Fiyameta]

"እንዴ መንግሥትም ይዋሻል እንዴ?" (ፊልድ ማርሻል ብርሃኑ ጁላ)

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[Zack]

There are two ways of effective control: one is based on consent of the controlled and the other is based on imposition. If people are free, then their consent on the form of government should be primarily the centrally crucial point.

Yes, TPLF had an effective control over Ethiopia that was brought about by means of power of the gun, not through the consent of the governed. That makes it an illegitimate government to decide on the strategic interest of the nation. It is irrelevant if it had an external support or not, the stakeholders are always those who are "governed".

Even on the level of TPLF as such it was just a transitional government back then, not a standing government of the nation.

Transitional government is not allowed or supposed to deliberate on issues of strategic interest of the people it governs on.

Everything around the point here and others makes it a dubious business and generations of Ethiopians are going to suffer under such an arrangement. This should be lifted or corrected before more damage is done!

Well Ethiopia has no leg to stand on the United Nations referendum was legally the elections had united nation supervisers. There is absolutely not a single thing wrong on how Eritrea obtained its dejura recognition and independence please bring forward your case and come with credible arguments

Dr Zackovich

The issue that affects the generations of Ethiopian to come was decided on in the back of the Ethiopians themselves, the then government in power was not mandated to deliberate on such a strategic matter of the nation. Not even a legitimate government in the country, it was a regime that toppled its predecessor by means of violence and there was not even a constitution on the country. UN should have pointed out this glaring deficiency of the make up before deciding to involve itself.

Everything was backed in the back of the major stakeholders of the enterprise. This makes squarely illegitimate!

That is not entirely accurate. The EPRDF had established effective control over the majority of Ethiopia and was, in fact, the legitimate authority at the time it submitted its request to Boutros Boutros-Ghali for a UN supervised referendum only recognised govt can apply for a un supervised referendum or request it for their country as they did. Now, even if one were to argue that there existed another authority within the country, it remains that the United Nations operates on the basis of recognised legitimacy but that didnt even exist . The EPRDF was the internationally recognised government of Ethiopia and that is the crux of the matter.

Admittedly, the outcome may be unfavourable for you lot ethiopian nationalists , particularly with regard to becoming landlocked, yet the moment to contest such an outcome was when the EPRDF first consolidated power. Had its opponents succeeded in defeating the EPRDF prior to 1991 before it formally made the request then there might indeed have been a valid case to advance. As it stands, however, no such case can presently be sustained at the moment is done.

Dr Zackovich

There is no single indication that the Ethiopia govt in 1990 wasn’t the legitimate goverment for Ethiopia not a single even if it was a transitional government according to the international law it doesn’t with holds them to go into treaty with other governments and conduct foreign affairs. The only way. You can nullify Eritrea independence I will give you an hint it is if you invade Eritrea removes its goverment displace the people u hold another referendum bring in millions of Amhara and Tigray into Eritrea and gallas and vote to be part of Ethiopia. Now the only problem with this is if you do this you will hold the land still illegally because u have displaced the indigenous population of that country . And it will not hold according to international law but u can still pretend similar how Russia pretends crimea is part of Russia they have moral case not a legal case. Because crimea are ethnic Russians are the majority in Eritrea how ever it isn’t the case the only way for you to do this to get it legally done is if there is a puppet regime in Eritrea that u have created and they hold a referendum on independence for the afar people to be free from Eritrea but Eritrea govt needs to request the referendum and ask the United Nations for afar region to hold a supervised referendum That u can only do if there is a puppet regime there and then the vote has to go do you want to join Ethiopia remain independent state of afar republic or or remain part of Eritrea u have to give multiple choice to the people . And I don’t see you installing an puppet regime in Asmara. That is willing to do all of that .

[Naga Tuma]

I don't know how it is that those who believe in cows are significantly smarter than those who believe in trees,

eritrea:

I infer that you carry the old Bible as a smart man. I stand to be corrected if I got it wrong.

Granted, meet the two Renaissances.

ያረጀዉ መጽሓፍ በመጀመርያዉ ሬይነሳንስ ተንገዳግዶ በሁለተኛዉ ሬይነሳንስ ተጥሏል።

የመጀመርያዉ ሬይነሳንስ በምን ተዓምር ነዉ ሴት ሳትጋደም ልጅ ያፈራችዉ ብሎ ነዉ ያንገዳገደዉ። ምናልባት ነቢይ ተልኮ ቢሆን እራሱ መጣ ኣላችሁ ብሎ ኣንገዳግዶት ሰነበተ።

ሁለተኛዉ ሬይነሳንስ በምን ተዓምር ነዉ ኣንድ የጥንት ነብይ በኣንድ በኩል ሃጥዓተኛ ተብሎ እየተኮነነ በሌላ በኩል ጻዲቅ ተብሎ የሚወደሰዉ ብሎ ነዉ የጣለዉ።

ኣይዞህ ወይም አጆካ፣ ይህ ስለተባለ ነገ ሰማዩ ፈርሶ እንደማታይ ዛሬ ላረጋግጥልህ እችላለሁ።

መለኮትም ተዓምራቱን ለቴስታመንት ፎር ኤተርኒቲ ሳያዘጋጅ ኣልጣለዉም ይሆናል።

Do you have an unlimited capacity to internalize የሁለቱንም ሬይነሳንሶች ጦሮች?

When some of us enlightened enough say this is a family tragedy over millennia, some of you say the tragedy in the family was one sided and your clowns join you for the chorus.

[Naga Tuma]

We are terrified and petrified by the prowess of the Galla!

What have the Ethiopian people who live in Borana under their traditional ቃሉ and ገዳ institutions done to you that the derogatory word that was originally given to them lives rent free in your brain?

You would rather discover that Moses was the Pharaoh par experience and become a specimen for future Socrates and Shakespeare of the world.

[Naga Tuma]

A republic means people governing themselves using a democratic process.

Controlling people means committing a crime against their inalienable right to govern themselves. There is no source of authority in a republic but the republic.

So, you may be mistaking governance of a republic for controlling the republic.

Visionary leadership can devise an effective mechanism for a republic to govern itself and let it take its course.

It has been said that democracy or equality defined what it means to be human.

There are two ways of effective control: one is based on consent of the controlled and the other is based on imposition. If people are free, then their consent on the form of government should be primarily the centrally crucial point.

Yes, TPLF had an effective control over Ethiopia that was brought about by means of power of the gun, not through the consent of the governed. That makes it an illegitimate government to decide on the strategic interest of the nation. It is irrelevant if it had an external support or not, the stakeholders are always those who are "governed".

Even on the level of TPLF as such it was just a transitional government back then, not a standing government of the nation.

Transitional government is not allowed or supposed to deliberate on issues of strategic interest of the people it governs on.

Everything around the point here and others makes it a dubious business and generations of Ethiopians are going to suffer under such an arrangement. This should be lifted or corrected before more damage is done!

Well Ethiopia has no leg to stand on the United Nations referendum was legally the elections had united nation supervisers. There is absolutely not a single thing wrong on how Eritrea obtained its dejura recognition and independence please bring forward your case and come with credible arguments

Dr Zackovich

The issue that affects the generations of Ethiopian to come was decided on in the back of the Ethiopians themselves, the then government in power was not mandated to deliberate on such a strategic matter of the nation. Not even a legitimate government in the country, it was a regime that toppled its predecessor by means of violence and there was not even a constitution on the country. UN should have pointed out this glaring deficiency of the make up before deciding to involve itself.

Everything was backed in the back of the major stakeholders of the enterprise. This makes squarely illegitimate!

That is not entirely accurate. The EPRDF had established effective control over the majority of Ethiopia and was, in fact, the legitimate authority at the time it submitted its request to Boutros Boutros-Ghali for a UN supervised referendum only recognised govt can apply for a un supervised referendum or request it for their country as they did. Now, even if one were to argue that there existed another authority within the country, it remains that the United Nations operates on the basis of recognised legitimacy but that didnt even exist . The EPRDF was the internationally recognised government of Ethiopia and that is the crux of the matter.

Admittedly, the outcome may be unfavourable for you lot ethiopian nationalists , particularly with regard to becoming landlocked, yet the moment to contest such an outcome was when the EPRDF first consolidated power. Had its opponents succeeded in defeating the EPRDF prior to 1991 before it formally made the request then there might indeed have been a valid case to advance. As it stands, however, no such case can presently be sustained at the moment is done.

Dr Zackovich

[Naga Tuma]

Have you sent a copy of it to Professor Asrat Woldeyes to read it?

I just published an article on The Reporter Ethiopia online magazine, based the core message of "No justice, No peace!"

Beyond the Colonial Line: Ethiopia, the Afar People, and the Quest for a Just Peace on the Red Sea

The process that led to Ethiopia’s current landlocked status in 1993 was profoundly illegitimate from the Ethiopian perspective. The decision to allow Eritrea’s separation without securing Ethiopia’s coastal rights was presided over by the Transitional Government of Ethiopia (TGE).

This government was, by definition, a temporary, unelected coalition of rebel fronts formed after the fall of the Derg regime in 1991. Its primary purpose was to stabilize the country and pave the way for a new constitution and democratic elections. The TGE was never given a mandate by the Ethiopian people to decide on the permanent redrawing of the nation’s borders or the surrender of its sovereign access to the sea.

Such a foundational, irreversible decision should have been reserved for a democratically elected government and subjected to a national referendum within Ethiopia. Instead, it was a permanent decision made by a temporary government.

Compounding this failure of mandate was a clear conflict of interest. The Eritrean People’s Liberation Front (EPLF), the very group seeking independence, was simultaneously a key and powerful actor within the Ethiopian transitional process. This meant one party was essentially helping to dictate the terms of its own separation from a state whose long-term national interests were not being legitimately represented.

This was a legal and moral failure. For a provisional government to authorize the permanent economic strangulation of its nation is a dereliction of its custodial duty. The process lacked constitutional legitimacy. It was a political arrangement between victorious rebel leaders, not a sustainable legal settlement between sovereign peoples. A decision of this magnitude, made without the consent of the Ethiopian populace, cannot be considered the final, just, or legitimate word on the nation’s destiny.

I enjoyed reading the article, if not for the content, the certainly for the reflection of my own message under this thread in it, where I used my own personal instinct to give my own judgement.

https://www.thereporterethiopia.com/47479/

[eritrea]

Hmm...Naga Tuma

It is indeed a profound paradox to encounter one who devotes reverence to a tree while simultaneously ridiculing the sacred truths of the Old and New Testaments. This isn't a matter of human intellect, but of divine connection and angelic protection. The Old and New Testaments are not disparate narratives, but two halves of a seamless divine revelation: the former a preparation through prophetic foresight of the Messiah's coming and purpose, the latter the fulfillment of these very prophecies and an unveiling of our eternal destiny. As Jesus Himself declared, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17). Any perceived contradiction between the testaments would indeed negate their holiness.

God, being supremely just and merciful, consistently forewarns humanity of what is to come, whether through dreams or prophets. The unyielding consequence of sin, as scripture plainly states, is spiritual death—an eternal separation from God in a realm of torment, while the pure soul finds everlasting life in His presence, free from earthly travails. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23). Yet, the humbling truth is that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

Given God's perfect justice and boundless mercy, a true dilemma arises: how can a just God punish sin—as He must—while also extending mercy to fallen humanity? The solution lies in His divine heart: God, in His infinite love, took on human form, born among us, to pay the ultimate penalty for our sins. "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14). He made "him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). This act of self-sacrifice reconciled divine justice with merciful forgiveness, ensuring the penalty was paid without compromising His holy character.

Through this singular, selfless act, a new path to paradise was opened for all who, of their own free will, choose to accept it. By acknowledging this profound sacrifice and offering heartfelt gratitude, we are cleansed and welcomed into His eternal presence. To choose, instead, the worship of a created thing—a tree—over this glorious, life-giving truth, and thereby imperil one's own eternal life and that of descendants, is a profound tragedy. The Old Testament, far from being mere ancient history, serves as a divine roadmap, detailing events that would unfold before the very end of human history. We stand at that precipice now, and the message is urgent: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts" (Hebrews 3:7-8). Return to the true God while there is still time.

I don't know how it is that those who believe in cows are significantly smarter than those who believe in trees,

eritrea:

I infer that you carry the old Bible as a smart man. I stand to be corrected if I got it wrong.

Granted, meet the two Renaissances.

ያረጀዉ መጽሓፍ በመጀመርያዉ ሬይነሳንስ ተንገዳግዶ በሁለተኛዉ ሬይነሳንስ ተጥሏል።

የመጀመርያዉ ሬይነሳንስ በምን ተዓምር ነዉ ሴት ሳትጋደም ልጅ ያፈራችዉ ብሎ ነዉ ያንገዳገደዉ። ምናልባት ነቢይ ተልኮ ቢሆን እራሱ መጣ ኣላችሁ ብሎ ኣንገዳግዶት ሰነበተ።

ሁለተኛዉ ሬይነሳንስ በምን ተዓምር ነዉ ኣንድ የጥንት ነብይ በኣንድ በኩል ሃጥዓተኛ ተብሎ እየተኮነነ በሌላ በኩል ጻዲቅ ተብሎ የሚወደሰዉ ብሎ ነዉ የጣለዉ።

ኣይዞህ ወይም አጆካ፣ ይህ ስለተባለ ነገ ሰማዩ ፈርሶ እንደማታይ ዛሬ ላረጋግጥልህ እችላለሁ።

መለኮትም ተዓምራቱን ለቴስታመንት ፎር ኤተርኒቲ ሳያዘጋጅ ኣልጣለዉም ይሆናል።

Do you have an unlimited capacity to internalize የሁለቱንም ሬይነሳንሶች ጦሮች?

When some of us enlightened enough say this is a family tragedy over millennia, some of you say the tragedy in the family was one sided and your clowns join you for the chorus.

[DefendTheTruth]

[Fiyameta]

[Naga Tuma]

eritrea:

I am sure that you aren’t the first preacher of Christianity.

Laudato Si’, which was released in 2015, stated that there is knowledge that we don’t know about yet. I am paraphrasing the statement that was written ten years ago.

If it is your comfort zone, you can preach from behind in time.

Your sacred was defiled at and by the Vatican. You may have yet learn about the divine and አያነ።

Hmm...Naga Tuma

It is indeed a profound paradox to encounter one who devotes reverence to a tree while simultaneously ridiculing the sacred truths of the Old and New Testaments. This isn't a matter of human intellect, but of divine connection and angelic protection. The Old and New Testaments are not disparate narratives, but two halves of a seamless divine revelation: the former a preparation through prophetic foresight of the Messiah's coming and purpose, the latter the fulfillment of these very prophecies and an unveiling of our eternal destiny. As Jesus Himself declared, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17). Any perceived contradiction between the testaments would indeed negate their holiness.

God, being supremely just and merciful, consistently forewarns humanity of what is to come, whether through dreams or prophets. The unyielding consequence of sin, as scripture plainly states, is spiritual death—an eternal separation from God in a realm of torment, while the pure soul finds everlasting life in His presence, free from earthly travails. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23). Yet, the humbling truth is that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

Given God's perfect justice and boundless mercy, a true dilemma arises: how can a just God punish sin—as He must—while also extending mercy to fallen humanity? The solution lies in His divine heart: God, in His infinite love, took on human form, born among us, to pay the ultimate penalty for our sins. "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14). He made "him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). This act of self-sacrifice reconciled divine justice with merciful forgiveness, ensuring the penalty was paid without compromising His holy character.

Through this singular, selfless act, a new path to paradise was opened for all who, of their own free will, choose to accept it. By acknowledging this profound sacrifice and offering heartfelt gratitude, we are cleansed and welcomed into His eternal presence. To choose, instead, the worship of a created thing—a tree—over this glorious, life-giving truth, and thereby imperil one's own eternal life and that of descendants, is a profound tragedy. The Old Testament, far from being mere ancient history, serves as a divine roadmap, detailing events that would unfold before the very end of human history. We stand at that precipice now, and the message is urgent: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts" (Hebrews 3:7-8). Return to the true God while there is still time.

I don't know how it is that those who believe in cows are significantly smarter than those who believe in trees,

eritrea:

I infer that you carry the old Bible as a smart man. I stand to be corrected if I got it wrong.

Granted, meet the two Renaissances.

ያረጀዉ መጽሓፍ በመጀመርያዉ ሬይነሳንስ ተንገዳግዶ በሁለተኛዉ ሬይነሳንስ ተጥሏል።

የመጀመርያዉ ሬይነሳንስ በምን ተዓምር ነዉ ሴት ሳትጋደም ልጅ ያፈራችዉ ብሎ ነዉ ያንገዳገደዉ። ምናልባት ነቢይ ተልኮ ቢሆን እራሱ መጣ ኣላችሁ ብሎ ኣንገዳግዶት ሰነበተ።

ሁለተኛዉ ሬይነሳንስ በምን ተዓምር ነዉ ኣንድ የጥንት ነብይ በኣንድ በኩል ሃጥዓተኛ ተብሎ እየተኮነነ በሌላ በኩል ጻዲቅ ተብሎ የሚወደሰዉ ብሎ ነዉ የጣለዉ።

ኣይዞህ ወይም አጆካ፣ ይህ ስለተባለ ነገ ሰማዩ ፈርሶ እንደማታይ ዛሬ ላረጋግጥልህ እችላለሁ።

መለኮትም ተዓምራቱን ለቴስታመንት ፎር ኤተርኒቲ ሳያዘጋጅ ኣልጣለዉም ይሆናል።

Do you have an unlimited capacity to internalize የሁለቱንም ሬይነሳንሶች ጦሮች?

When some of us enlightened enough say this is a family tragedy over millennia, some of you say the tragedy in the family was one sided and your clowns join you for the chorus.

[Naga Tuma]

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ኣማኝ ነህ ብለሃል።
መጠራጠር ያዳግተኛል።

ብሉይ ኪዳን እና አዲስ ኪዳን ኣንብቤ ትንቢቶቹ ገብተዉኛል ብለሃል።
መጠራጠር ያዳግተኛል።

የትንቢቶቹን ክስተቶች ኣስተዉዬ ገብተዉኛል ብለሃል።
መጠራጠር ያዳግተኛል።

ለኤርትራ ከኢትዮጵያ ነጻነት ታግለሃል።
ኣልጠራጠርም።

እኔ ለኤርትራ ከኢትዮጵያ ነፃነት ኣልታገልኩም።

የኮሌጅ የመጀመርያ ዓመት ተማሪ ሆኜ ስለ አደዋ ታሪክ የተማርኩኝ ቀን ዕዉነታቸዉን ነዉ የሚታገሉት ብያለሁ።

ምክንያቱ ብያሳምነኝም ምኞቴ ኣለመገንጠል ነበር።

ስለዚህ ስለ ኤርትራ ጉዳይ የተለያየ አስተሳሰብ ነበረን ማለት ይቻላል።

ኣሁን ስለ መለኮታዊ ጉዳይ ኣነሳን።

ብሉይ ኪዳን ሆነ አዲስ ኪዳን በሰፊዉ ኣላነበብኩም።

እ አ አ ከ1992 ወዲህ ቤተክርስትያን ኣልተከታተልኩም።

ከኢትዮጵያ ሳልወጣ በፊት ሥራ ቦታ የተዋወኩት ሰዉ ኣንድ ቀን የፕሮቴስታንት ሃይማኖት ቤት እንሂድ ብሎ ቢጋብዛኝ በፍጥነት ገርሞኝ ሃይማኖት ከሆነ ኣንተ ለምን ኦርቶዶክስ ቤተክርስትያን ኣትሄድም ብዬ መለስኩለት። ኣኩርፎ እነ ፕሮፌሰር ኤከሌ ሲመጡ ኣንተ ለምን ኣትመጣም ብሎ ከአጠገቤ ሄደ። በጣም ገረመኝ። ፕሮፌሰር እከሌ ከመጡ ኣንተም መምጣት ኣለብህ ዐይነት ነገር ሆነ።

ከብዙ ዓመታት በኋላ እኔ ተዓምራትን እየቆጠርኩኝ ይህ ሁሉ ያለመለኮታዊ አሰራር ነዉ ማለት ያዳግተኛል።

ምናልባትም የኢሳያስ አፍወርቂ በወጣትነት ኩታ ማጥለቅ መለኮታዊ ሊሆን ይችላል ያስብለኛል።

አንተ የብሉይ ኪዳን እና የአዲስ ኪዳን ቅዱስነት የማይነኩ ናቸዉ ትላለህ።

እኔ ደግሞ ብሉይ ኪዳን ተብሎ አዲስ ኪዳን ከተባለ አዲስ ኪዳን ተብሎ ኪዳነ ዘለዓለም ይባላል ከልኩኝ ሰንብቻለሁ።

ይህ ብቻ ሳይሆን በዉስጣቸዉ ተጽፈዉ ሲስተጋቡ የኖሩ ወንጀሎች እና የወንጀል ምንጮች ስላሉ መታረም ኣለባቸዉ ማለት ከጀመርኩኝ ወደ ሃያ ዓመታት ተጠግተዋል።

ኣሁን እንቆቅልሽ ወይም ፓራዶክስ የሆነዉ ሁለታችንም ስለ መለኮታዊ አሰራር ኣስተዉለናል ካልን የስተዋልናቸዉ እንዴት ሊየያዩ ቻሉ ነዉ።

[DefendTheTruth]

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