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[Abere]

የ Axumezana የህልም እሩጫ፤ የምናብ ውሃ ጥም----> አማራዊ ምድረ-ገነት ወልቃይት ሁመራ።

አሻቅበህ በለው ሰማዩን በእንቧይ፤
ወልቃይት ሁመራ ከሆነ ትግራይ፤

ጨፍጫፊው ሳምሪ - ሄሮድስ የማይካድራ፤
የአማራን ህጻናት ያረደው በካራ፤
የዕልም ዳቦ ሁኖ ይቃዣል - ይጮኻል እያለ ሁመራ።

አክሱም ወንጀለኛው ዘር አጥፊው ሄሮድስ፤
ያልከሰክሰዋል- እረፍት ነስተውት የዋሃን ነፍስ፤
ሲሻገር ተከዜን አርዶ የጣላቸው የአማራ ልጆችን በጥላቻ መንፈስ።

ሂሳብ ስለቀረ ከፈጣሪን በእጅጉ ፍጹም ስለጎዳ፤
እጥፍ እጥፍ አርጎ የሚከፍለው ዕዳ።

የሰሊጡን መሬት በደም አርክሶት፤
በደም የበቀለ ሰሊጥ በልቶበት፤
እግዜር አስከፈለው ያንን ቆጥሮበት።
በእናት በአባቱ እርስት አማራ ሃዘኑን ጮኸ እንዳይወጣለት፤
ሰርግ ድግስ ሙቆት ዘፈን ጭፈራውን እንዳያወርድበት፤
አፉ ተለጉሞ በትግሬ ሰፋሪ መዐት ሲወርድበት- ያን ሁሉ አመታት፤
እግዜር ሁር አወጣው - ያን ሰፋሪ መንጋ ወያኔ ግሪሳ ፋኖ አብርሮለት።

የመንግስተ-ሰማያት መንገድ እጅግ ቀጭን ናት። ወዶ እርሷ ለመግባት ንጽህ ምግባር እና ስራ ያስፈልጋል። እንድሁም የትግሬ-ወያኔ ከእንግድህ ተከዜን ተሻግሮ ጎንደር ለመግባት አይችልም - የሚችለው በአንድ ምርጫ ብቻ ነው። ወያኔ እና ክልል ሲፈርስ - የሰይጣን እስር ቤት ክልል። ትግሬ ወልቃይት ይሸቅልበታል እንጅ አይሰፍርበትም።

[Axumezana]

ሸረሪና
አለቀልና
ሸረራና
ገባ በል ደገኛ
ገባ በል ቆለኛ
ሸረሪና ሸረሪና
የጠላት መጋኛ

[Dama]

Axumzena,
I have never read your articulation of TPLF's right of claim over Welkait/Humera. Pleade write a short statement of claim. What are the so called historical, demographic and or legal rights of TPLF over these territories?

[Selam/]

አቶ ዓይጠ መጎጡ፣ ምናባዊ ቅንጡ
ሁሉ እያማራቸው፣ በናፍቆት ተቀጡ
ተከዜን ተሻግረው፣ አርማጮ ሊመጡ
መረብን አቋርጠው፣ ቀይ ባህር ሊጠጡ
ከሸገር ለመቅመስ፣ ሳር ቅጠል ቧጠጡ

[Abere]

Humera and Welqait are simply the Tigrinya versions of “ኬኛ,” used in an attempt to justify breaking away and forming the so-called Republic of Abay-Tigray — a pipe dream that died long ago with figures like Seyoum Mesfin and Abay Tsehay, along with countless Tigrayan youth. There is now ample evidence showing that the Woyane claim was entirely false. From the beginning, it was the indigenous people of Welqait and Humera who resisted TPLF settlers — not from other Amhara provinces. Many of them later sacrificed their lives for the cause of Welqait, Humera, and Raya. To this day, the people of Welqait and Humera continue to stand firm, insisting that the TPLF and its supporters remain within their own territory.

God never makes mistakes. When one reflects on why He created the desert lands of Egypt while also creating the lush forests of the Congo, one sees divine wisdom at work. He created Ethiopia with the Abay River to sustain Egypt, just as He did not err in creating today’s Tigray province as it is — barren and infertile. God knew that Tigray could never exist as a self-sustaining country without the fertile provinces of Ethiopia. In truth, there would be no life in Tigray if it were not for the rest of Ethiopia. Yet, the mindless ambitions of the Woyane prescribe a death sentence for the Tigrayan people themselves — a people already living under severe ecological disadvantage.
TPLF rats think, all the misfortunes naturally happening is because of Amhara - as if Amhara controls the rain and sun.

Axumzena,
I have never read your articulation of TPLF's right of claim over Welkait/Humera. Pleade write a short statement of claim. What are the so called historical, demographic and or legal rights of TPLF over these territories?

[Right]

I have never read your articulation of TPLF's right of claim over Welkait/Humera. Pleade write a short statement of claim

The TPLFites have no case. They believe they are entitled to the property of others.

They can’t cultivate and develop what is theirs because they are too lazy and only loves hostilities and war.

No matter what, be it Welkayit, Raya or Humera you are not going to get it.
Fight and with the current rate you will definitely will be fighting to extinction.

[Axumezana]

- ቋንቋ 98% ትግርኛ ትንግርት
- ታሪክ ከአክሷማውያን ጀምሮ
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 23.2257249

[Abere]

የAxumezana ወልቃይት ሁመራ የህልም ዳቦ ገመጣ የኦሮሙማው ሰገጤ የሲና በርሃ ሴና ነበር - የኦሮሞ ነው እንዳለው እብደት ነው። እብድ እና ዘመናይ የልቡን ያወራል አይደል ወትሮስ ምሳሌው። አክሱምዒዛና የሰሊጥ ብር ሱስ ይዞት ነው እንጅ ትግሬ ከተከዜ ማዶ ግዛት የለውም።



Achamyeleh Tamiru (2019). The Wolkait Affairs. [online] Goodreads. Available at: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/527 ... it-affairs ].

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The book is the first comprehensive study of the administrative boundary, historical geography, social & population history of Wolkait, Tegede, Telemt and Humera provinces of Ethiopia from ancient times to the dawn of the 20th century. Based on the inscriptions of Axum, medieval, and later sources, the book is an essential guide to the administrative boundary and historical geography of Wolkait, Tegede, Telemt and Humera in Ethiopian historical documents and literature.

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Writeres even in the 14th century described the area and the map as part of Gondar province, not part of Tigray. Even the name Tigray appeared in the list of ethnic groups of Ethiopia very recently. There is no name mentioned on Axum Obelisk while many Ethiopian tribes mentioned, let alone Tigray known as a stand alone province.

Any way no Fano goes for t!t-for-t@t with TPLF. let them try their luck and will be sent straight to hell.

ከዜን ተሻግሮ አለወይ ተከዜ?
ውሃ በላው ትግሬን ባመጣው አባዜ።
ዋ! ሰው መሆን ክፉ፤ ሰው መሆን ረሱ።
የእልምዣት ጨረሰው ትግሬን ከእነ ነፍሱ።

ያ! የህልም መና ዐባይ-ትግራይ፥
ቀና ብለው ሲያዩት - ጠፍቶ ከሰማይ፤
ህልም ዕልም! ህልም ዕልም! ሁኗል በትግራይ።

አይደለንም አዳም - ወርቅ ነን እያሉ፤
ዐፈር ገላቸውን - በአውሮፓ ጓዳና ኋላ አንከባለሉ።

[Dama]

Thank you both Axumzena and Abere for your submissions of documented opinions. I will not consider 'historical right' to a land. When I do, there had to happen a crime of ethnic cleansing to replace a population for which I will only recommend a restorative justice for the victims of land dispossession, cultural and linguistic annihilation because removing the present population and award the land to the former victims is practically impossible unless same process of crime is repeated to displace the current owners of land.

For example, without ethnic cleansing, you cannot displace Oromos from Central, East and North of Ethiopia lands. The same can be said of Shewa that occupies the lands of the kingdoms of Ifat and Adal, and the British, French, Spanish and Portuguese from North and South America.

[Dama]

Axumezana

Your links show different rulers created different boundaries for their provinces at different times. They don't establish facts of feelings or identities that the residents were Tigrey or Amara group. No independent writers' testimony to prove that the residents south of the Tekeze River expressed Tigrey identity.

Abere

I did not read all the 50 page document. I stopped at page 17. They were compelling enough. I got all the facts I needed. You proved your case per the document you provided. Amara begins from Tekeze river, where also Tigrey ends.
The document has not only provided Amara and Tigrey historical boundaries, it has also included sentiment surveys of the residents of Welkait-Humera who felt they were Amara. Also, a petition of 50, 000 Welkait/Humera residents to the Ethiopian Parliament declaring their identity was Amara was no small evidence.

The 1979 TPLF armed occupation of Wekait/Humera legally was part of the province of Gondar for access to Sudan and declaring it a Tigrey territory in 1991 allowed TPLF to establish expanded territory of Tigrey for 'Greater Tigrey' was a believable assertion in view the TPLF Manifesto. Welkait/Humera remained an occupied territory without the consent of the people until Fano kicked out the occupying TPLF.

Restorative Justice:

1. Legally re-incorporate Welkait/Humera to Amara with war reparations to Amara to be paid by TPLF.
2. Allow Amara and Tigrey families who were formerly legal residents of Welkait/Humera to return to their homes and lands. They should be compensated for their material losses and emotional sufferings from the pockets of TPLF.
3. Amara shall respect and enforce civil and democratic rights of Tigrey as equal as any minority, including the preservation and development of their language and culture.

[Axumezana]

Dama you may have to study more on the issue before you make quick conclusion. History, demographics and how Ethiopia was structured after 1991 have to be thoroughly considered. Unfortunately Abere does not accept the EPRDF constitution but that is not acceptable. You should also be otw that Tigray lost about 40% of territory to the establishment of Afar as per the new constitution. See the maps below !

https://martinplaut.com/2020/12/11/tigr ... ternative-
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[Dama]

Axumzena'

What I am looking for are evidences from:

a. First persons, i.e, residents of Welkait/Humera claiming they are Tigrey
b. an unbiased third persons such foreign researchers, travellers' observations testifying the people south of the Tekeze River are Tigreys.

The above documents are essays, articles of personal opinions, not facts.

[Axumezana]

Are you doubting the map that was developed by Derg by interviewing each resident of West Tigray?

[Dama]

Are you doubting the map that was developed by Derg?

Maps, prior to 1991, never followed identities (linguistic, cultural or religious). They were just administrative conveniences.

[Axumezana]

True but maps after 1991 followed linguistic identities that is why Tigray gave the Afar speakers lands in Tigray to be included in the new Afar state and West Tigray was incorporated to Tigray because the majority of those people are Tigra. Any change in West Tigray calls for the restructuring of the whole Ethiopia.The root cause for Abere's claim is because he does not accept the existing constitution. His dream is to bring back the archaic unitary Ethiopia dominated by one ethnic group and undermines right of the other ethnic groups.

[Dama]

True but maps after 1991 followed linguistic identities that is why Tigray gave the Afar speakers lands in Tigray to be included in the new Afar state and West Tigray was incorporated to Tigray. Any change in West Tigray calls for the restructuring of the whole Ethiopia.The root cause for Abere's claim is because he does not accept the existing constitution. His dream is to bring back the archaic unitary Ethiopia dominated by one ethnic group and undermines right of the other ethnic groups.

Not really true. The creation of regions by TPLF in 1991 were erratic; haphazard, did not follow language boundaries. Some language groups were split into three or more adjoining language regions. Take for example, Halaba.
It was included in Hadya snd Kembata. Denta is a Kebata group but incorpirated into Hadya.
Take Harari State: It has Ormo majority, Amhara minority, Harari in the 3rd place and Gurage in the 4th place. All are forced to learn and work in Harari language. A racist establishment. Only.a Harari person can work in gov of the Harari State. Same racism in Oromia. Non-Oromo residents of Oromia even if born and raised in the region cannot hold a public office. TPLF was a rotten racist.

Government boundaries are not important here. What is important is first persons feelings about who they are followed by independent observers who report on the identities of same people south of Tekeze River were Amara.
If you want to settle this dispute, you can opt for a referendum. Tigrey settlers in Welkait/Humera after 1991 will be excluded from voting in the referendum.

[Axumezana]

Dama you are trying to split hairs & make major conclusion based on exceptions ! Linguistic was the overriding criteria that was used by EPRDF to restructure Ethiopia if not why an Oromo in Harar was integrated with an Oromo from Showa or Welega?. The bottom line is you cannot apply double standard. If you take linguistic out of the equation we could have a new structure of Ethiopia.

[Dama]

Dama you are trying to split hairs! Linguistic was the overriding criteria that was used by EPRDF to restructure Ethiopia if not why an Oromo in Harar was integrated with an Oromo from Showa or Welega?. The bottom line is you cannot apply double standard. If you talk linguistic out of the equation we could have a new structure of Ethiopia.

I did not deny the creation of regions has had language components but implemented in a haphazard way, has had many inconsidtencies. Take for example the defunct SNNPR. Gurage applied to the Ethiopian Parliament rejecting its inclusion in the SNNPR, having had its Region 7. But rejected. I gues, it was not only Gurage who opposed to be bundled iinto with diverse and distinct groups in terms of languages. All cushitic, Omotic and semitic groups were amalagamated into SNNPR without their wish.

Try referendum to get Welkait/ Humera back to Tigrey. Tigrey settlers after 1991 will have no right to vote. They are occupyiers of land that doesn't belong to them but for the force of TPLF.

[Axumezana]

Even in USA you need only 5 years to be a citizen & secure your voting rights as a citizen. Those who were pre 1991, those settled after 1991 & those who were born in West Tigray after 1991 should have a voting right. Axumezana does not believe on the need for voting but if the government of Ethiopia decides to that effect 1st Western Tigray has to be reinstated to Tigray and such standard should also apply through out Ethiopia including zones in Oromia ,Amhara, Somalia Afrar etc with similar issues.

[Dama]

Even in USA you need only 5 years to be a citizen & secure your voting rights as a citizen. Those who were pre 1991, those settled after 1991 & those who were born in West Tigray after 1991 should have a voting right. Axumezana does not believe on the need for voting but if the government of Ethiopia decides to that effect 1st it has to be reinstated to Tigray and such standard should also apply through out Ethiopia including zones in Oromia ,Amhara, Somalia Afrar etc with similar problems.

Referendum is not the expression of a desire of a government. It's a statement of the people about what they want and who they are.

There is a dispute about who the identity of people who occupy Welkait/Humera are. Let them speak for themselves who they are, Amara or Tigrey. Once this identity matter is cleared, where to kililize them becomes much easy.

TPLF, an armed gorilla group, invaded Gondar province in 1979 and occupied Weljait/Humera for access to Sudan for its logistics of war against the DERG. For two years, the people suffered having been cut from the srrvices of the Ethiopian government for which TPLF is accountable.

It's also possible that during these two years, it had settled Tigreys in Welkait/Humera that it has occupied by force.
After its military victory over the DERG in 1991, it has created a new province of Tigrey to which it added Welkait/Humera that it had occupied since 1979. It accelerated resettlement of 1000s of Tigreys resettled in Welkait/Humera that obtained by violence prior to 1991.

These illegal settlers should not have the right to vote in the referendum of Welkait/Humer's future. You cannot compare them with the peaceful immigrants that come to the US, most on their own or sponsored by family or churches. Tigrey settlers in Welkait/Humera from 1979 followed trails of gun violence against indigenous Amara people. These illegals should not vote in a referendum.that will decide the future the Amara people of Welkait/Humera.