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[Dama]

አዎን የኢትዮጵያ ትልቁ ችግር ethnic federalism ነው። ይህን ሀቅ ለማወቅ ጥልቅ ትምህርት እና ዕውቀት የሚፈልግ አይደለም። ለአለፉት 32 አመታት እንደ ኢትዮጵያዊ ሁኖ መኖር ብቻ ነው። የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ላቦራቶሪው ገብቶ ውጤቱን ፤ አስከፊነቱን እርም ዳግም አይስፈልገኝም እንድል ያደረገ ነው። ወረቀት ላይ መላምት ማነብነብ ባህር ማዶ ቁጭ ብሎ እና በገሀድ ኢትዮጵያዊ ሁኖ ኑሮ ማየት የተለያዩ ናቸው። ማርክስ ታዋቂ የኢኮኖሚክስ ፈላስፋ ነበር ( በወሬ ብቻ) ግን የሚልስ የሚቀምሰው አጥቶ በመናጢ ድህነት ነበር የሞተው - ምክንያቱም የሚያወራው ቅዥት እንጅ እውነት ሁኖ ፍሬ ስለማያፈራ ነበር። ወያኔዎች እና ኦነጎች እነኝህ አናሳዎች በቀኝ ገዥዎች ጉዳይ አስፈጻሚነት ስለተቀጠሩ ማንም በአለም ላይ ያለ አገር እና ህዝብ የማይጠቀምበት እንዳውም እንደ ወንጀል የሚቆጠር የጎሳ ክልል በኢትዮጵያ አይቀጥልም። ውጤቱ እኮ ለአለም እስኪገርመው ታየ 1.5 ሚልዮን ህዝብ በጦርነት ሲያልቅ። ይህ ነበር ቱርፋቱ።
የሚባለው አክራሪ ትግሬ ዋና አላማው ኢትዮጵያዊ ሆኖ መቀጠል ሳይሆን በማታለለ የኢትዮጵያን መሬት በመንጠቅ ሀገረ ትግራይ መሆን ነው። ለዚህ እኩይ አላማ ደግሞ መከፋፈል እጅግ ጠቃሚ ነው። ታዲያ ህሌና ያለው ሰው ይህንን ሁሉ እልቂት አይቶ ወደ ብጎው እና ሁሉ አለም የሚከተለውን የፓለቲካ እና ስነ መንግስት ይመለሳል እንጅ ወደ ዘር ማጥፋት ስርዐት ልመለስ ይላል?

FYI
Karl Marx had never been poor. He was a philosophy professor and contributing writer to progressive papers. His ideas angered some of the capitalists, the government but was never arrested or fired from his teaching job.
At the end, Germany expelled or some sort of situation developed that he could not live safely in Germany. He, his wife abd his daughters fled to France. He kept writing and teaching in France and organizing labor. France also expelled or when the labor movement got heated, gov blamed him. Found France unsafe for himself and his family, he obtained visa to live in Britain. He published his famous Das Capital in London. He died rich, his assets estimated at £300, 000. Media commented tgat who hated rich died rich.
Marx was never poor from childhood to his death.

[ethiopianunity]

Naga Tuma,

Thanks for recycling this important topic. What l don't understand is that what does one's nation population want?The nation as a whole exists because of its population that is shaping it culturally economically , socially,,what not. Therefore the whole distraction and question of who should the land belong to is non sensical. It should belong to the people who reside in the nation, period! No central government or Neguse should have any business taking away, selling, or giving the land that belongs to the people. If we ask then what is the role of the central government or local government? Both are appointed or voted by the people to manage any assignment required by the people. The reason for central or local governments, call them Neguse, are appointed by the people so that millions of populations are able to organize, structured in order to meet their needs especially economically that would allow them to survive and thrive. If your needs are met, there is no need for wars and division but cooperation with all to strengthen the nation in every way . The world , including Ethiopia already veered away from the main purpose of government. Governments had become exploiters, oppressors, racists, ethno facists favoring one region against the other kind of like Tplf and Olf today. Governments self appointed or voted have become enemies of the people. Especially if they are allied with outsiders against the people. Disunity of the people is the best thing for the governments for divide and rule instead of governments working and fearing the people. As l mentioned above, the purpose of governments appointed by the people is to manage millions of people in their regions to direct , organize and guide populations in order to meet their needs and in return the populations serve the nation as a whole to make it strong in every way so the nation is able to survive internally and internationally, period! The population and the appointed government must have the wisdom, through divine to enable them cooperate, interact in positive manner to create an effective nation. That itself requires training, discipline, hard work and divine intervention to establish this cooperation between government and population to produce an effective nation. I am not talking about the success of the Western nation, as they are more [deleted] race that allows them to rule and succeed easily although, it is smart to test their positive and effective systems if it works for a diverse nation like Ethiopia. However, since Tplf rule, foreign elements such as different type of Islam, Protestant ,Ireecha, satanic faith called Illuminati and Freemason ( being installed since Tplf ), not to mention , communism have divided the population of Ethiopia to the detriment of own population and the nation itself. Ethiopia was already diverse in ethnicity, cultures, etc, the nation does not need of another headache importing divisive , dangerous religions and faith dividing ,killing and erasing the population. Hello!

One thing l did not mention above, l am assuming the population as a whole who has good willing and able to cooperate with one another in order to establish effective government, therefore effective nation. The word effective itself requires definition as every word today is being used by misunderstanding what is good for one nation is not necessary is good for another nation. Copy pasting from another nation does not necessarily bring effective nation. For the past 70 years, Ethiopia has been led by low self esteem, hand -picked leaders and government by advisers of colonialists, self- interested foreign groups to the detriment of Ethiopia. Ethiopia is not governing herself. Unless you address how to make Ethiopia free from the yolk of foreigners and their mercinaries Tplf, Olf and Shabia, there is no point talking about solutions. Heck Sarcasm Tplfite is even included in this thread!

[Dama]

1. If parties to a federation have not freely agreed to form the federation, it is not a federation. I may sound like OLF but it's true. Take the US and Canada as examples of federation.
2. If the federal states or regions do not have autonomy to elect their leaders, it's not a federation.

[ethiopianunity]

1. If parties to a federation have not freely agreed to form the federation, it is not a federation. I may sound like OLF but it's true. Take the US and Canada as examples of federation.
2. If the federal states or regions do not have autonomy to elect their leaders, it's not a federation.

The question is how to stop rogue central and local governments? It also requires to identify rogue groups within population so that no such problems occur. Governments local and central come out of the people, so it is essential to clean out rogue groups within the population so they don't get elected in government in order to create effective government. Start at local level.

[Dama]

1. If parties to a federation have not freely agreed to form the federation, it is not a federation. I may sound like OLF but it's true. Take the US and Canada as examples of federation.
2. If the federal states or regions do not have autonomy to elect their leaders, it's not a federation.

The question is how to stop rogue central and local governments? It also requires to identify rogue groups within population so that no such problems occur. Governments local and central come out of the people, so it is essential to clean out rogue groups within the population so they don't get elected in government in order to create effective government. Start at local level.

Define rogue groups and suggest just ways to cleanse these rogue groups from population. Red Terror of Mengistu? White Terror of EPRP? 5:1 recruitment of poplulation into EPRDF to stamp out opposition or at least make them weak enough to not be able to challenge its power? Medemer of the Clown? Mind you I have no objection to an Oromo leading Ethiopia. Less deserving Tigrey led Ethiopia.

[Naga Tuma]

Naga Tuma,

Thanks for recycling this important topic. What l don't understand is that what does one's nation population want?The nation as a whole exists because of its population that is shaping it culturally economically , socially,,what not. Therefore the whole distraction and question of who should the land belong to is non sensical. It should belong to the people who reside in the nation, period! No central government or Neguse should have any business taking away, selling, or giving the land that belongs to the people. If we ask then what is the role of the central government or local government? Both are appointed or voted by the people to manage any assignment required by the people. The reason for central or local governments, call them Neguse, are appointed by the people so that millions of populations are able to organize, structured in order to meet their needs especially economically that would allow them to survive and thrive. If your needs are met, there is no need for wars and division but cooperation with all to strengthen the nation in every way . The world , including Ethiopia already veered away from the main purpose of government. Governments had become exploiters, oppressors, racists, ethno facists favoring one region against the other kind of like Tplf and Olf today. Governments self appointed or voted have become enemies of the people. Especially if they are allied with outsiders against the people. Disunity of the people is the best thing for the governments for divide and rule instead of governments working and fearing the people. As l mentioned above, the purpose of governments appointed by the people is to manage millions of people in their regions to direct , organize and guide populations in order to meet their needs and in return the populations serve the nation as a whole to make it strong in every way so the nation is able to survive internally and internationally, period! The population and the appointed government must have the wisdom, through divine to enable them cooperate, interact in positive manner to create an effective nation. That itself requires training, discipline, hard work and divine intervention to establish this cooperation between government and population to produce an effective nation. I am not talking about the success of the Western nation, as they are more [deleted] race that allows them to rule and succeed easily although, it is smart to test their positive and effective systems if it works for a diverse nation like Ethiopia. However, since Tplf rule, foreign elements such as different type of Islam, Protestant ,Ireecha, satanic faith called Illuminati and Freemason ( being installed since Tplf ), not to mention , communism have divided the population of Ethiopia to the detriment of own population and the nation itself. Ethiopia was already diverse in ethnicity, cultures, etc, the nation does not need of another headache importing divisive , dangerous religions and faith dividing ,killing and erasing the population. Hello!

One thing l did not mention above, l am assuming the population as a whole who has good willing and able to cooperate with one another in order to establish effective government, therefore effective nation. The word effective itself requires definition as every word today is being used by misunderstanding what is good for one nation is not necessary is good for another nation. Copy pasting from another nation does not necessarily bring effective nation. For the past 70 years, Ethiopia has been led by low self esteem, hand -picked leaders and government by advisers of colonialists, self- interested foreign groups to the detriment of Ethiopia. Ethiopia is not governing herself. Unless you address how to make Ethiopia free from the yolk of foreigners and their mercinaries Tplf, Olf and Shabia, there is no point talking about solutions. Heck Sarcasm Tplfite is even included in this thread!

What do you consider yourself to be?

[Naga Tuma]

እኔ ዉጪ ሃገር ረጅም ግዜ ብኖርም ያደኩብትን ማህበረሰብ በደንብ ኣዉቀዋለሁ ማለት የምችል ይመስለኛል።

ስለ ርስት ከተነሳ፥ ባለሃገር ሆነ ከተማ፣ አፈር ሆነ ገንዘብ፣

ርስት የቤተሰብ መሠረት ከሆነ፣
ቀበሌ የርስት ባለቤትነት መዝጋቢ ከሆነ፣
ወረዳ የልማት መሠረት ከሆነ፣
አስተዳደር ወይም ክፍለ ሃገር የአስተዳደር መሠረት ከሆነ፣
ሃገር የሉዓላዊነት መሠረት ከሆነ፣

ብሄራዊ መግባባት እና ማደግን የሚከለክል ሀይል ኣለ?

ቋንቋ በቤተሰብ ደረጃ፣ በቀበሌ ደረጃ፣ በወረዳ ደረጃ፣ በአስተዳደር ወይም ክፍለ ሃገር ደረጃ፣ እና በሃገር ደረጃ በየቀኑ ስራ ላይ የሚዉል ነዉ።

እያንዳንዱ አስተዳደር የቋንቋ መርህ ወይም ፖሊሲን መቅረጽ የሚችል ይመስለኛል። ለምሳሌ እንደኣስፈላጊነቱ ብያንስ ሁለት ቋንቋዎችን የማስተማር መርህን እያንዳንዱ አስተዳደር ከቀየሰ ሃገር መግባባት ቻለ ማለት ነዉ።

ይህ አስተሳሰቤ ለዉይይት ወሬ ጥሪ ሳይሆን ስራ ላይ መዋል የማይችል አስተሳሰብ ወይም ጥሪ ነዉ?

ይህ አስተሳሰቤ የምያንሰዉ ካለዉ የተሻለ አስተሳሰብ ይህ ነዉ ማለት ይቻላል።

እያንዳንዱ ሰዉ እንወያይ ጥሪ ከማቅረብ ኣልፎ ይህ የአስተሳሰብ ራዕይ ኣለኝ ብሎ በግልጽ ብያስቀምጥ የበለጠ ዉጤታማ መሆን የሚችል ይመስለኛል።

ይህ በትኦሪ እና ምህንድስና መካከል ያለ ልዩነትም ይመስለኛል።