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Current western, eastern or North south development is not the best model for the planet

Post by Odie » 22 Nov 2024, 23:02

The glittering of cities, high rise towers etc.., depleting natural resources should not be the best model of human development to enable people live a healthy, long and satisfying life (spiritual and physical). Development should not necessarily radically change the lifestyles of the people as far as a healthy prolonged satisfying life is achieved. This probably could be achieved by improving the livelihood of the general public specially living in rural places by using simple technologies, improving communication, availing electricity and simplifying their day to day activities with simple technologies. Obviously availability basic education for will be a necessicity to operate simple technologies. Expectation by people to get the biggest share of the pie or accumulate wealth more than necessary has ended up in a scenario of dog eat dog state; countries headbuting one another and ethnics fighting for upper hand with endless wars. This really should not be a communist ideology; many scandinavian countries are said to have developed in somewhat similar way. Humans are very bound to planet earth, hopelessly and helplessly made to cope only on earth and the resources on earth are not imperishable with no other planet in sight to be colonized visa vis global population explosion.

Some more supporting idea for this are:-

Environmental Concerns:

Resource Depletion: The model often relies on the extraction of finite natural resources (e.g., fossil fuels, minerals, freshwater), leading to depletion and ecological damage.

Climate Change: Industrial growth, heavy reliance on fossil fuels, and unsustainable agricultural practices have led to rising greenhouse gas emissions, contributing to climate change. This threatens ecosystems, human health, and food security.

Biodiversity Loss: Urbanization, deforestation, pollution, and overexploitation of species have caused a significant decline in biodiversity, which is essential for ecosystem stability and resilience.

Social Concerns:
Inequality: Economic development has not been equally distributed, with vast disparities in wealth, healthcare, education, and opportunity both within and between countries. This often results in social unrest and a lack of social cohesion.

Health and Well-being: While some development has improved living standards, it has also led to unhealthy lifestyles, rising mental health issues, and other public health crises in many parts of the world.

Cultural Hom@genization: Globalization, driven by the current development model, often leads to the erosion of local cultures and traditions, with a dominant consumer culture spreading worldwide.

Economic Concerns:
Unbalanced Growth: Traditional models often focus on continuous economic growth, but such growth is not always sustainable when it relies on exploiting non-renewable resources or when it disregards the ecological limits of the planet.

Debt and Financial Crises: Global financial systems that prioritize profit maximization can lead to crises, exacerbate inequality, and create unsustainable debt cycles, particularly for developing nations.

Shifting Toward Sustainability:
To address these issues, many experts advocate for alternative models of development that prioritize long-term sustainability, such as:

Circular Economy: Emphasizing recycling, reusing, and reducing waste, rather than the traditional "take-make-dispose" model.

Green Technologies: Investing in renewable energy sources, sustainable agriculture, and eco-friendly technologies.
Inclusive Growth: Focusing on reducing inequality, providing universal access to basic needs (healthcare, education, clean water), and promoting social and economic systems that benefit all members of society.

Steady-State Economy: A concept focused on achieving a stable, rather than growing, economy that operates within the planet's ecological limits.

ethiopianunity
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Re: Current western, eastern or North south development is not the best model for the planet

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Nov 2024, 06:11

Odie wrote:
22 Nov 2024, 23:02
The glittering of cities, high rise towers etc.., depleting natural resources should not be the best model of human development to enable people live a healthy, long and satisfying life (spiritual and physical). Development should not necessarily radically change the lifestyles of the people as far as a healthy prolonged satisfying life is achieved. This probably could be achieved by improving the livelihood of the general public specially living in rural places by using simple technologies, improving communication, availing electricity and simplifying their day to day activities with simple technologies. Obviously availability basic education for will be a necessicity to operate simple technologies. Expectation by people to get the biggest share of the pie or accumulate wealth more than necessary has ended up in a scenario of dog eat dog state; countries headbuting one another and ethnics fighting for upper hand with endless wars. This really should not be a communist ideology; many scandinavian countries are said to have developed in somewhat similar way. Humans are very bound to planet earth, hopelessly and helplessly made to cope only on earth and the resources on earth are not imperishable with no other planet in sight to be colonized visa vis global population explosion.

Some more supporting idea for this are:-

Environmental Concerns:

Resource Depletion: The model often relies on the extraction of finite natural resources (e.g., fossil fuels, minerals, freshwater), leading to depletion and ecological damage.

Climate Change: Industrial growth, heavy reliance on fossil fuels, and unsustainable agricultural practices have led to rising greenhouse gas emissions, contributing to climate change. This threatens ecosystems, human health, and food security.

Biodiversity Loss: Urbanization, deforestation, pollution, and overexploitation of species have caused a significant decline in biodiversity, which is essential for ecosystem stability and resilience.

Social Concerns:
Inequality: Economic development has not been equally distributed, with vast disparities in wealth, healthcare, education, and opportunity both within and between countries. This often results in social unrest and a lack of social cohesion.

Health and Well-being: While some development has improved living standards, it has also led to unhealthy lifestyles, rising mental health issues, and other public health crises in many parts of the world.

Cultural Hom@genization: Globalization, driven by the current development model, often leads to the erosion of local cultures and traditions, with a dominant consumer culture spreading worldwide.

Economic Concerns:
Unbalanced Growth: Traditional models often focus on continuous economic growth, but such growth is not always sustainable when it relies on exploiting non-renewable resources or when it disregards the ecological limits of the planet.

Debt and Financial Crises: Global financial systems that prioritize profit maximization can lead to crises, exacerbate inequality, and create unsustainable debt cycles, particularly for developing nations.

Shifting Toward Sustainability:
To address these issues, many experts advocate for alternative models of development that prioritize long-term sustainability, such as:

Circular Economy: Emphasizing recycling, reusing, and reducing waste, rather than the traditional "take-make-dispose" model.

Green Technologies: Investing in renewable energy sources, sustainable agriculture, and eco-friendly technologies.
Inclusive Growth: Focusing on reducing inequality, providing universal access to basic needs (healthcare, education, clean water), and promoting social and economic systems that benefit all members of society.

Steady-State Economy: A concept focused on achieving a stable, rather than growing, economy that operates within the planet's ecological limits.
The model which is now proven and failed is to create few wealthy groups so they can act like gods and rule over the population. The years of capitalism claiming let few people enrich then it will trickle down claimed by Wester countries showed corporations built by the backs of societies have now strong hold of government and threatening the populations and the world. Every one thought that was the best model but the pragmatic Americans are seeing it now. But not sure they will pull it off under Trump who came out of wealth and same kind of thinking. He talks about god fearing and will restore America from this debacle, it is verbal we will see what happens. They brought us communism the same thing…

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Re: Current western, eastern or North south development is not the best model for the planet

Post by Odie » 23 Nov 2024, 09:53

I don’t think we are there to acknowledge and implement this now although the west is working on sustainability.

People are by nature greedy and selfish and many aspire to own the whole world as individual and live in worldly opulent way. Also people have a component of nature of hating others and at times even themselves. Some would destroy their extra or left over than give it out charitably.

The Bible says, if a man gains the whole world and lose his soul what good is that.

We could simply search and find out how global resource is used, what percent of countries/people use the most of global resource etc. The fact is since most resources are not imperishable, we are also spoiling/degrading the environment, including the oceans, our oxygen source, contaminating ourselves with the commercial garbage we consume, digging minerals and fossil oil here and there vis a vis global population explosion humanit surely will be trapped at some point.

Following the COVID-19 pandemic which probably was related to human factor this or that way and global conflict here and there the world economy even simple food cost housing affordability is strained here and there.

The irony is poor countries such as ethiopia are mislead by political idiots like OPDO that copy Singapore and Dubai and develop their projects in cities in Ethiopia using borrowed money and social security fund. Mind you Zenawi policy was rural//industrial to city kind of development whereas the poor soul we have is glittering cities without changing the lives of 80% poor living in the rural part and perhaps with no long term policy. The farmer in Ethiopia in the name of whom many failed revolutions have been carried out still mostly tills land using centuries old ways. Food, agricultural products are still processed using centuries old techniques. Food supply depends on seasonal rain and agriculture for most part. I doubt any one is seriously taking the task of simplifying and modernizing these with modern technologies. This is really a trap. If you go to even very small countries in southern africa, it is amazing how infrastructure is developed to reach rural residents, farmers use cellphones for daily life, they have some form of car and can reach to markets and health facilities ASAP when needed. They can get attention easily.
Now you copy china, singapore, Dubai cities without developing the rest of the country, well you will have to prevent tradional technologies such as donkeys…etc, poor farmers etc coming to your glittering cities. The mismatch will be there. How one can sustain the glittering corridors and parks will soon be the question. Building a country that does not look like itself-head is Dubai, neck is singapore, waist is chaina, tail is old ethiopia, and worse Addis Ababans walk talk and like to live like Lindoners and Newyorkers. What a mishmash!
Some work might have started farming and enabling ethiopian farmers with modern way such as coffee growers but doubt this has been expanded to other sectors.

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Re: Current western, eastern or North south development is not the best model for the planet

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Nov 2024, 19:21

Odie wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 09:53
I don’t think we are there to acknowledge and implement this now although the west is working on sustainability.

People are by nature greedy and selfish and many aspire to own the whole world as individual and live in worldly opulent way. Also people have a component of nature of hating others and at times even themselves. Some would destroy their extra or left over than give it out charitably.

The Bible says, if a man gains the whole world and lose his soul what good is that.

We could simply search and find out how global resource is used, what percent of countries/people use the most of global resource etc. The fact is since most resources are not imperishable, we are also spoiling/degrading the environment, including the oceans, our oxygen source, contaminating ourselves with the commercial garbage we consume, digging minerals and fossil oil here and there vis a vis global population explosion humanit surely will be trapped at some point.

Following the COVID-19 pandemic which probably was related to human factor this or that way and global conflict here and there the world economy even simple food cost housing affordability is strained here and there.

The irony is poor countries such as ethiopia are mislead by political idiots like OPDO that copy Singapore and Dubai and develop their projects in cities in Ethiopia using borrowed money and social security fund. Mind you Zenawi policy was rural//industrial to city kind of development whereas the poor soul we have is glittering cities without changing the lives of 80% poor living in the rural part and perhaps with no long term policy. The farmer in Ethiopia in the name of whom many failed revolutions have been carried out still mostly tills land using centuries old ways. Food, agricultural products are still processed using centuries old techniques. Food supply depends on seasonal rain and agriculture for most part. I doubt any one is seriously taking the task of simplifying and modernizing these with modern technologies. This is really a trap. If you go to even very small countries in southern africa, it is amazing how infrastructure is developed to reach rural residents, farmers use cellphones for daily life, they have some form of car and can reach to markets and health facilities ASAP when needed. They can get attention easily.
Now you copy china, singapore, Dubai cities without developing the rest of the country, well you will have to prevent tradional technologies such as donkeys…etc, poor farmers etc coming to your glittering cities. The mismatch will be there. How one can sustain the glittering corridors and parks will soon be the question. Building a country that does not look like itself-head is Dubai, neck is singapore, waist is chaina, tail is old ethiopia, and worse Addis Ababans walk talk and like to live like Lindoners and Newyorkers. What a mishmash!
Some work might have started farming and enabling ethiopian farmers with modern way such as coffee growers but doubt this has been expanded to other sectors.

😳😳😳Are you the supporter of Chenawi Meles? Weyane nesh ende? I would not be surprised if you are, Chenawi Meles created the infiltration every Ethiopian regions by Weyane for 30 years, you maybe the by product. Surprised as if Meles Chenawi did good by developing rural, really? Was he not the architect of Ethiopia’s problem till today?

You have not really assessed what drives dictators. In terms of Meles Chenawi and Co, they had to focus in rural region by deceiving farmers, targeting others while benefiting others, etc among farmers because Chenawi’s base is minority, if he does not control the farmers through various means l mentioned above, he and his minions Weyane as minority would be done. Whereas, Aby and Co’s base is majority, if he is truly from Oromo or he maybe riding Oromo, he can focus on city where the central power is and development as he is enjoying the protection of his majority base.

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Re: Current western, eastern or North south development is not the best model for the planet

Post by Odie » 23 Nov 2024, 19:42

ethiopianunity wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 19:21
Odie wrote:
23 Nov 2024, 09:53
I don’t think we are there to acknowledge and implement this now although the west is working on sustainability.

People are by nature greedy and selfish and many aspire to own the whole world as individual and live in worldly opulent way. Also people have a component of nature of hating others and at times even themselves. Some would destroy their extra or left over than give it out charitably.

The Bible says, if a man gains the whole world and lose his soul what good is that.

We could simply search and find out how global resource is used, what percent of countries/people use the most of global resource etc. The fact is since most resources are not imperishable, we are also spoiling/degrading the environment, including the oceans, our oxygen source, contaminating ourselves with the commercial garbage we consume, digging minerals and fossil oil here and there vis a vis global population explosion humanit surely will be trapped at some point.

Following the COVID-19 pandemic which probably was related to human factor this or that way and global conflict here and there the world economy even simple food cost housing affordability is strained here and there.

The irony is poor countries such as ethiopia are mislead by political idiots like OPDO that copy Singapore and Dubai and develop their projects in cities in Ethiopia using borrowed money and social security fund. Mind you Zenawi policy was rural//industrial to city kind of development whereas the poor soul we have is glittering cities without changing the lives of 80% poor living in the rural part and perhaps with no long term policy. The farmer in Ethiopia in the name of whom many failed revolutions have been carried out still mostly tills land using centuries old ways. Food, agricultural products are still processed using centuries old techniques. Food supply depends on seasonal rain and agriculture for most part. I doubt any one is seriously taking the task of simplifying and modernizing these with modern technologies. This is really a trap. If you go to even very small countries in southern africa, it is amazing how infrastructure is developed to reach rural residents, farmers use cellphones for daily life, they have some form of car and can reach to markets and health facilities ASAP when needed. They can get attention easily.
Now you copy china, singapore, Dubai cities without developing the rest of the country, well you will have to prevent tradional technologies such as donkeys…etc, poor farmers etc coming to your glittering cities. The mismatch will be there. How one can sustain the glittering corridors and parks will soon be the question. Building a country that does not look like itself-head is Dubai, neck is singapore, waist is chaina, tail is old ethiopia, and worse Addis Ababans walk talk and like to live like Lindoners and Newyorkers. What a mishmash!
Some work might have started farming and enabling ethiopian farmers with modern way such as coffee growers but doubt this has been expanded to other sectors.

😳😳😳Are you the supporter of Chenawi Meles? Weyane nesh ende? I would not be surprised if you are, Chenawi Meles created the infiltration every Ethiopian regions by Weyane for 30 years, you maybe the by product. Surprised as if Meles Chenawi did good by developing rural, really? Was he not the architect of Ethiopia’s problem till today?

You have not really assessed what drives dictators. In terms of Meles Chenawi and Co, they had to focus in rural region by deceiving farmers, targeting others while benefiting others, etc among farmers because Chenawi’s base is minority, if he does not control the farmers through various means l mentioned above, he and his minions Weyane as minority would be done. Whereas, Aby and Co’s base is majority, if he is truly from Oromo or he maybe riding Oromo, he can focus on city where the central power is and development as he is enjoying the protection of his majority base.
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On my dead body to support Zenawi or Woyane.
100% not supporting ethnic juntas of any form; with corridor, prosperity gospel or not :lol:
I mentioned Zenawi for comparison with PP boss and contrast them.

Sorry for the confusion though.
We are still doing ዳዴ of leadership in that country!

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