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Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Horus » 19 Nov 2024, 21:12

Abiy Ahmed - PM of Ethiopia, Mohammed bin Zayed, Raila Odinga - Chairman of AU, Donald Trump - President of USA! and add some British MPs


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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Dark Energy » 19 Nov 2024, 21:34

Useless oldie Guragie,

Donald Trump is not President yet. :lol: :lol: :lol: All of the jumbo jumbo is hearsay. The US will never recognize Somali Land without due process, meaning the recognition of Somalia itself. The same with the United Kingdom. African Union you say… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A man who is not even elected yet ? If AU recognizes Somali Land, that would be the end of AU itself. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Somaliman » 19 Nov 2024, 22:07

Dark Energy wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 21:34
Useless oldie Guragie,

Donald Trump is not President yet. :lol: :lol: :lol: All of the jumbo jumbo is hearsay. The US will never recognize Somali Land without due process, meaning the recognition of Somalia itself. The same with the United Kingdom. African Union you say… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A man who is not even elected yet ? If AU recognizes Somali Land, that would be the end of AU itself. :lol: :lol: :lol:



You forgot to also remind this mentally retarded moron that the UAE, albeit its stupid little games, it cannot voice for recognition for the breakaway region in question, as this would be in breach of the Charter of the Arab League (also known as the Pact of the League of Arab States), which is the founding treaty of the Arab League.

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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Jikaar » 20 Nov 2024, 01:45

We will always exist recognition or without recognition. No body can change a reality on the ground. And no body can force our peaple.

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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Zack » 20 Nov 2024, 07:27

Dark Energy wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 21:34
Useless oldie Guragie,

Donald Trump is not President yet. :lol: :lol: :lol: All of the jumbo jumbo is hearsay. The US will never recognize Somali Land without due process, meaning the recognition of Somalia itself. The same with the United Kingdom. African Union you say… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A man who is not even elected yet ? If AU recognizes Somali Land, that would be the end of AU itself. :lol: :lol: :lol:


The African Union (AU) itself is, in many respects, a farcical organisation, and I would caution against placing too much stock and hope in its actions. The AU once recognised an entity that is currently in exile in Algeria, namely the Western Sahara Liberation Movement, acknowledging it as a separate country. This, quite understandably, incensed Morocco, leading to its withdrawal from the AU for precisely this reason.

That being said, I believe the United States will not recognise Somaliland for several clear reasons. The U.S. has invested billions of dollars in Somalia since 2012, with the primary aim of stabilising the country, combating al-Shabaab, and ensuring its security. Any move to recognise Somaliland would render these efforts redundant, which runs contrary to American interests. While I am not suggesting that U.S. policy is immutable, a shift in this stance seems highly unlikely—unless, of course, the Somali government in Mogadishu aligns itself with Russia, China, and other elements of the Axis, which I find improbable. In the foreseeable future, I do not see the U.S. altering its position to divide Somalia and Somaliland.

However, what I wish to emphasise is that the U.S. recognises countries when it aligns with its broader geopolitical interests. A clear example of this is Kosovo. The U.S. recognised Kosovo primarily to counter Russian influence, given Russia’s close ties with Serbia. In this case, the secession of Kosovo from Serbia was, from a legal standpoint, no less illegitimate than Somaliland's secession from Somalia. Yet, Kosovo's recognition by the West is a consequence of its geopolitical utility, while Somaliland remains an unrecognised territory in Africa, a developing nation.

Similarly, in conflicts such as the Bangladesh-Pakistan war, the West supported Bangladesh's independence from Pakistan, motivated by geopolitical considerations. Despite Pakistan being a Muslim majority country, the West sought to weaken it in that context, with Bangladesh receiving substantial backing from India and Britain. thought the west said they were doing it to protect Human rights but we know that is Bull. Because if it was about Human lives they would do the same for the Falastini people.

Thus, there are instances where unilateral secession is endorsed by the West, particularly the U.S., but these instances are shaped by strategic interests. It is not the prevailing norm. In practice, the international community tends to require the consent of the parent state for secession to be recognised. If, tomorrow, Somalia were to recognise Somaliland's independence, the rest of the world would follow suit within 24 hours, just as Ethiopia's recognition of Eritrea preceded global recognition. This is the way the world operates: unilateral secession is seldom welcomed unless exceptional circumstances prevail. And, frankly, Somaliland's case does not fall within such an exception indeed .

Dr Zackovich

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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Selam/ » 20 Nov 2024, 08:08

Peaceful transfer of power which exists neither in Shabo Eritrea nor in terrorist Somalia, so shut the fvck up & honor Somaliland’s democracy.


Somaliman wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 22:07
Dark Energy wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 21:34
Useless oldie Guragie,

Donald Trump is not President yet. :lol: :lol: :lol: All of the jumbo jumbo is hearsay. The US will never recognize Somali Land without due process, meaning the recognition of Somalia itself. The same with the United Kingdom. African Union you say… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A man who is not even elected yet ? If AU recognizes Somali Land, that would be the end of AU itself. :lol: :lol: :lol:



You forgot to also remind this mentally retarded moron that the UAE, albeit its stupid little games, it cannot voice for recognition for the breakaway region in question, as this would be in breach of the Charter of the Arab League (also known as the Pact of the League of Arab States), which is the founding treaty of the Arab League.

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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Somaliman » 20 Nov 2024, 09:00

Selam/ wrote:
20 Nov 2024, 08:08
Peaceful transfer of power which exists neither in Shabo Eritrea nor in terrorist Somalia, so shut the fvck up & honor Somaliland’s democracy.


Somaliman wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 22:07
Dark Energy wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 21:34
Useless oldie Guragie,

Donald Trump is not President yet. :lol: :lol: :lol: All of the jumbo jumbo is hearsay. The US will never recognize Somali Land without due process, meaning the recognition of Somalia itself. The same with the United Kingdom. African Union you say… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A man who is not even elected yet ? If AU recognizes Somali Land, that would be the end of AU itself. :lol: :lol: :lol:



You forgot to also remind this mentally retarded moron that the UAE, albeit its stupid little games, it cannot voice for recognition for the breakaway region in question, as this would be in breach of the Charter of the Arab League (also known as the Pact of the League of Arab States), which is the founding treaty of the Arab League.





You should better worry about the following and the day when those convoys from the WFP and USAID stop coming in all together.
Two million at risk of starvation in Tigray, aid official warns.
Officials in Tigray warn the region is on the brink of famine on a scale last seen in 1984.




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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Selam/ » 20 Nov 2024, 13:56

Jealous?
Somaliman wrote:
20 Nov 2024, 09:00
Somaliman wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 22:07



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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by kerenite » 20 Nov 2024, 14:35

I firmly believe that the fate of the breakaway Somaliland will be similar to that of Taiwan (self declared independence since 1949), however, no country has so far recognized it. Also north Cyprus with the help of Turkey declared independence from Cyprus, it is a breakaway region since 1974 albeit Erdogan is constantly making pressure for a 2 state solution namely, north and south Cyprus but in vain and that since decades but so far no country has recognized it as a free state.

As I mentioned above, the political fate of the somalilanders will be similar to that of the Taiwanese and the north Cypriots folks.

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Re: Four Powerful Voices For Somaliland Recognition! Ethiopia, UAE, AU, USA

Post by Abere » 20 Nov 2024, 14:51

But, Somalia is not as one of world's powerful country as China or Turkey /Greece. Somalia has no weight in the eyes of powerful countries. These powerful countries fear one another and the other nations does not want to miscalculate. When it comes to Somalia it has failed as a country more than 3 decades, it is African countries that are baby-sitting or taking care of Somalia. The only reason why African union forces do not leave Somalia is not because they believe Somalia is a valid country but they are fighting Islamist Al Shabab. Thus, no country would be hurt or disappoint another powerful country if recognizing Somaliland. Besides, Somaliland is much bigger country with more resource than Somalia it can sustain , resist and lobby.

You should believe what you have seen. Somalilanders have experienced their democratic right to elect their president peacefully many times, but Eritrea province never had one. Generation came and gone, and have known only ONE rebel leader, Isaias Afewrok.
kerenite wrote:
20 Nov 2024, 14:35
I firmly believe that the fate of the breakaway Somaliland will be similar to that of Taiwan (self declared independence since 1949), however, no country has so far recognized it. Also north Cyprus with the help of Turkey declared independence from Cyprus, it is a breakaway region since 1974 albeit Erdogan is constantly making pressure for a 2 state solution namely, north and south Cyprus but in vain and that since decades but so far no country has recognized it as a free state.

As I mentioned above, the political fate of the somalilanders will be similar to that of the Taiwanese and the north Cypriots folks.

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