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[DefendTheTruth]

This could help to close this topic for once and for all on this forum and proceed to the next issues of national interest. So, please participate and cast your objective vote.

[sarcasm]

I think "Who is Ethiopianist - someone who subscribes to unitarist political system as opposed to federalist system" is a more fitting title looking at the options. For someone to be Ethiopian, they only need to have Ethiopian father or mother and feel Ethiopian regardless whether they support unitarist, federalist or monarchy systems.

[DefendTheTruth]

sarcasm, thanks for your comment (suggestion): I think the issue goes beyond being a mere citizen of the country, when I say "Ethiopianist", some degree of commitment must be there to qualify for the adjective, in my view.

I also used the word the "unitarists" use for the "federalists" camp (they call these ones tribalists, not federalists), to make them feel that their views have been sufficiently reflected in the poll.

[Odie]

ጥንብ ገዳይ ጋላና ድንጋይ ራስ ትግሬ ወያኔ ስለ ኢትዮዽያዊማንነት ትርጉም ሲመካከሩ-ከተጨራረሱ በሁዋላ

[DefendTheTruth]

I also just came across this video and the title attracted my eyes, it simply states what I have had in mind when I opened this poll.

"ጋሞነቴና ኢትዮጵያዊነቴ አይጣሉብኝም", which makes me ask myself if my Oromoness should be in any form of conflict with my Ethiopianness?

Can't we say the same for all the remaining "tribes" in Ethiopia? After all Ethiopia is not an abstract and something very imaginary, it is a concrete entity of collection of all these "tribes", isn't it?

I just wanted to add this without trying to influence your choice.

[sarcasm]

sarcasm, thanks for your comment (suggestion): I think the issue goes beyond being a mere citizen of the country, when I say "Ethiopianist", some degree of commitment must be there to qualify for the adjective, in my view.

I also used the word the "unitarists" use for the "federalists" camp (they call these ones tribalists, not federalists), to make them feel that their views have been sufficiently reflected in the poll.

Hi Defend,

I think some people confuse Ethiopianist with being pro-Ethiopia / for or favoring Ethiopia. Ethiopianist follow unitarist political ideology and oppose Federalist multicultural system. Sometime they call themselves የአንድነት ጎራ. Ethiopianist does not mean pro-Ethiopian.

Ethiopians whether they support unitarist, federalist or monarchy systems are all pro-Ethiopia.

[Abere]

DDT,

If you are a teacher, I must say you have been committing educational crime. The choices you presented are not mutually exclusive -especially, what is the difference between "b" & "c"? You are trying to make a distinction between your OLF & sarcasm's TPLF. In reality both PP-OLF and Woyane-TPLF are 100% identical with same secessionist end goal. I have never heard of Ethiopianist being referred to as "Socialist Derg" . Your choice under "a" to designate Ethiopians as "Socialist Derg- Mengistu H/Mariam" is bizarre. Socialist Derg was more affiliated to Marxist Woyane and Meson OLF. In reality, if you were trying attribute right of nations to self-determination it is all about socialist Derg - which was crowded with more extremist radical Oromos and radical Marxist saboteur Tigres that served more the interest of Woyane and OLF.

Ethiopianists are neither separatists nor narrow-minded tribalists, but are those who put individual right above everything. Individual right is the supersedes everything. Any Ethiopian citizen regardless of his/her gender, language, creed, income, etc. has equal right in everywhere in Ethiopia. He/she can elect or be elected. Ethiopianists are against the human-Zoo of Woyane/OLF ; that is, tribal kilil. They want to demolish the fence or the human-zoo, because there is no Ethiopia where everyone is locked in tribal jail.

Also, Ethiopianists are not advocating for unitary or federal system, you OLF and Woyane attempts to lie. Both unitary and federal systems are today practice by many countries. The problem is Ethiopia now is neither a federal or a unitary system. Ethiopianists put the country and its citizens first, a free citizen is the one that does have the mandate, not the Woyane band bandits or the OLF thug Queerroo.

[Affable]

There is only an Ethiopian, not true or false Ethiopian.

[ethiopianunity]

DDT,

If you are a teacher, I must say you have been committing educational crime. The choices you presented are not mutually exclusive -especially, what is the difference between "b" & "c"? You are trying to make a distinction between your OLF & sarcasm's TPLF. In reality both PP-OLF and Woyane-TPLF are 100% identical with same secessionist end goal. I have never heard of Ethiopianist being referred to as "Socialist Derg" . Your choice under "a" to designate Ethiopians as "Socialist Derg- Mengistu H/Mariam" is bizarre. Socialist Derg was more affiliated to Marxist Woyane and Meson OLF. In reality, if you were trying attribute right of nations to self-determination it is all about socialist Derg - which was crowded with more extremist radical Oromos and radical Marxist saboteur Tigres that served more the interest of Woyane and OLF.

Ethiopianists are neither separatists nor narrow-minded tribalists, but are those who put individual right above everything. Individual right is the supersedes everything. Any Ethiopian citizen regardless of his/her gender, language, creed, income, etc. has equal right in everywhere in Ethiopia. He/she can elect or be elected. Ethiopianists are against the human-Zoo of Woyane/OLF ; that is, tribal kilil. They want to demolish the fence or the human-zoo, because there is no Ethiopia where everyone is locked in tribal jail.

Also, Ethiopianists are not advocating for unitary or federal system, you OLF and Woyane attempts to lie. Both unitary and federal systems are today practice by many countries. The problem is Ethiopia now is neither a federal or a unitary system. Ethiopianists put the country and its citizens first, a free citizen is the one that does have the mandate, not the Woyane band bandits or the OLF thug Queerroo.

Abere,

What DDT is trying to say is, when asking support internationally, DDT wants to wear Ethiopian gown because thanks to our kings, history, culture, religion, anti colonialism, the entire world knows about Ethiopia not of Oromiya or Tigray, not even Eritrea. So ever since Tplf and now ppOlf, while destroying domestically the mentioned assets of Ethiopia, outside, they deceive foreigners by claiming they are Ethiopian in order to get the benefit in the name of Ethiopia. For example, while pp is killing Orthodox citizens in Ethiopia, it begs arms from Orthodox Russia. That is what DDT is trying to explain. I feel sad for the youth who are confused as heck by individuals like DDT and Tplfite Sarcasm.

[Somaliman]

Who is a true Ethiopian (has the right concern for Ethiopia)?

Definitely not savage Galla animals that should be deported back to where the fuc'kers came from.

[Fiyameta]

In Ethiopia, historically, the 3 major ethnic groups take turns in ruling the country, and the ethnic group that is in power defines who a "true Ethiopian" is based on its own interpretations and perspective, which usually angers the other ethnic groups, prompting them to pick up arms and fight for what they perceive as an injustice.

This cycle of ethnic violence repeats itself with each ethnic group coming to power, casting doubt over the future of the country that has never known peace, and proving that peace can only be attained through the abolishment of the taking-turns system from the bygone era, which ultimately means that a peaceful dissolution of the state is a prerequisite for achieving peace.

Can anyone think of any other potential solution to this never-ending madness?

[Horus]

Abere,
I don't want to sound racist, but I still have to meet an Oromo intellectual that understands what society means, what a political society means, what a political community means and in short what a social (political) system means. If you ask DDT to state the basic unit, the foundational principle of the Ethiopia system (be it social or political) he has none. DDT does not even have a method of thinking about a society or a political community, or a system of government of a people.

For example, let us take the banking system and the concept of money. One cent is the fundamental principle of the dollar system. A bank will not accept for deposit a million dollar if it is one cent short. Similarly, all systems have that unit of organization and system of counting and accounting.

Just as you said, a person, the human individual is the basic unit of the Ethiopia social system and the fundamental principle of the Ethiopian people as a political community. It is this political community that organizes what we call the state and a government. So, as you can see DDT is wasting his time with a pseudo-question.

Ethiopia as a society, it is a system and any system must have an organizing principle around which all of the structures, functions, and processes of that system are arranged. In any modern civilized society and any functional, rational and intelligent social and political system, the individual is the basic foundation and the organizing element.

When a conscious and political person states that he is Ethiopianist and in fact an Ethiopian nationalist, he must be basing his understanding precisely on the idea that the foundation of everything Ethiopian is based on the Ethiopian individual - his/her rights, existence, safety and well being. This is most fundamental source of all the legal, ethical, economic, cultural and other forms organization including linguistic, ethnic, trade, professional associations which are too many to enumerate.

The confused ethnic muddle in the likes of DDT, Tuma, Olfist etc are folks who waste their entire life without ever grasping what clear thinking means and without ever attempting to clearly think about what they are talking about.

Look at Somalia - the issue is not about some kind of clan federation etc. They are fighting over the issue of founding their political system on the individual as basic organizing principle. DDT & his Oromuma bothers are light years away from this kind of modern political idea.

[DefendTheTruth]

Oh, I should have mentioned about Horsu's political society which is called "ኢትዮጵያን የምመስል ኦሮሞ ጠፍጥፎ መስራት ነዉ፣ ኦሮሞን የምትመስል ኢትዮጵያ ከመጠፍጠፍ!".

truly inept!

Abere,
I don't want to sound racist, but I still have to meet an Oromo intellectual that understands what society means, what a political society means, what a political community means and in short what a social (political) system means. If you ask DDT to state the basic unit, the foundational principle of the Ethiopia system (be it social or political) he has none. DDT does not even have a method of thinking about a society or a political community, or a system of government of a people.

For example, let us take the banking system and the concept of money. One cent is the fundamental principle of the dollar system. A bank will not accept for deposit a million dollar if it is one cent short. Similarly, all systems have that unit of organization and system of counting and accounting.

Just as you said, a person, the human individual is the basic unit of the Ethiopia social system and the fundamental principle of the Ethiopian people as a political community. It is this political community that organizes what we call the state and a government. So, as you can see DDT is wasting his time with a pseudo-question.

Ethiopia as a society, it is a system and any system must have an organizing principle around which all of the structures, functions, and processes of that system are arranged. In any modern civilized society and any functional, rational and intelligent social and political system, the individual is the basic foundation and the organizing element.

When a conscious and political person states that he is Ethiopianist and in fact an Ethiopian nationalist, he must be basing his understanding precisely on the idea that the foundation of everything Ethiopian is based on the Ethiopian individual - his/her rights, existence, safety and well being. This is most fundamental source of all the legal, ethical, economic, cultural and other forms organization including linguistic, ethnic, trade, professional associations which are too many to enumerate.

The confused ethnic muddle in the likes of DDT, Tuma, Olfist etc are folks who waste their entire life without ever grasping what clear thinking means and without ever attempting to clearly think about what they are talking about.

Look at Somalia - the issue is not about some kind of clan federation etc. They are fighting over the issue of founding their political system on the individual as basic organizing principle. DDT & his Oromuma bothers are light years away from this kind of modern political idea.

[Selam/]

Spot on!

DDT,

If you are a teacher, I must say you have been committing educational crime. The choices you presented are not mutually exclusive -especially, what is the difference between "b" & "c"? You are trying to make a distinction between your OLF & sarcasm's TPLF. In reality both PP-OLF and Woyane-TPLF are 100% identical with same secessionist end goal. I have never heard of Ethiopianist being referred to as "Socialist Derg" . Your choice under "a" to designate Ethiopians as "Socialist Derg- Mengistu H/Mariam" is bizarre. Socialist Derg was more affiliated to Marxist Woyane and Meson OLF. In reality, if you were trying attribute right of nations to self-determination it is all about socialist Derg - which was crowded with more extremist radical Oromos and radical Marxist saboteur Tigres that served more the interest of Woyane and OLF.

Ethiopianists are neither separatists nor narrow-minded tribalists, but are those who put individual right above everything. Individual right is the supersedes everything. Any Ethiopian citizen regardless of his/her gender, language, creed, income, etc. has equal right in everywhere in Ethiopia. He/she can elect or be elected. Ethiopianists are against the human-Zoo of Woyane/OLF ; that is, tribal kilil. They want to demolish the fence or the human-zoo, because there is no Ethiopia where everyone is locked in tribal jail.

Also, Ethiopianists are not advocating for unitary or federal system, you OLF and Woyane attempts to lie. Both unitary and federal systems are today practice by many countries. The problem is Ethiopia now is neither a federal or a unitary system. Ethiopianists put the country and its citizens first, a free citizen is the one that does have the mandate, not the Woyane band bandits or the OLF thug Queerroo.

[Fiyameta]

"Ethiopianist" is a term that is often used in reference to foreign scholars who studied Ethiopia and its 76 years of history.

One such scholar was Professor Donald Levine from the Department of Sociology at the University of Chicago. He died on April 4, 2015 after a long illness. He was 83. (May he Rest in Peace)

Back in 2011, in an interview with Abebe Gellaw on ESAT TV, Professor Levine recalled a conversation he had with one of his Ethiopian students which he described as a moment that allowed him to see deep into the mindset of the Ethiopian elite-- an educated class of people burdened by an inferiority complex so massive that no amount of education could save them, nor their country.

Here's an excerpt from Professor Levine's interview....

"..... I'll tell you an experience I had that signaled to me that terrible times were ahead for Ethiopia.

I had a student in Chicago, an Ethiopian (and this was around 1970-71), he was the son of an elite family, and he said "...a lot of us are thinking we should do what they did in Russia to modernize."

And I said to him, do you know that in Russia what Stalin did cost the lives of 20 million people?

He replied, "well, they had like 200 million people in Russia. So 20 million dead out of 200 million is 10%. Ethiopia has around 30 million people, and 10% of that is roughly 3 million people. Well... 3 million dead Ethiopians would not be too high of a price to pay for progress."

When he said that my heart stopped, because he's representative of the educated group. Ethiopians were so embarrassed to be poor, and to be backward, they thought how can we modernize as fast as possible, and if that means killing 3 million people, so be it!

I'm afraid that kind of thinking is still to be found even today. Much of the leadership today are forcibly removing 1.5 million Ethiopians off their ancestral lands in the Gambella, Ogaden, Afar and the Beni-shangul regions. In the name of what? In the name of 'progress.' In the name of what Russia did. And when the Ethiopian ruling elite say 'blood must flow', it's always other people's blood must flow...."

[Selam/]

ጉድፍ ሻቦ - ምን ጥልቅ አደረገህ?
ዓይጥ!

[Fiyameta]

I'm an Ethiopianist, specializing in behavioral analysis related to the understanding and conceptualizing of the mental disorder that causes you agame to behave the way you do.

ጉድፍ ሻቦ - ምን ጥልቅ አደረገህ?
ዓይጥ!

[ethiopianunity]

Who is a true Ethiopian (has the right concern for Ethiopia)?

Definitely not savage Galla animals that should be deported back to where the fuc'kers came from.

Shabo Somaliman,

Are you wearing Oromo- hating gown now to deceive Ethiopians? You have been training Olf at Sawa and now likeTplf, it does not want to share the whole pie that is why you are mad.

[ethiopianunity]

Oh, I should have mentioned about Horsu's political society which is called "ኢትዮጵያን የምመስል ኦሮሞ ጠፍጥፎ መስራት ነዉ፣ ኦሮሞን የምትመስል ኢትዮጵያ ከመጠፍጠፍ!".

truly inept!

Abere,
I don't want to sound racist, but I still have to meet an Oromo intellectual that understands what society means, what a political society means, what a political community means and in short what a social (political) system means. If you ask DDT to state the basic unit, the foundational principle of the Ethiopia system (be it social or political) he has none. DDT does not even have a method of thinking about a society or a political community, or a system of government of a people.

For example, let us take the banking system and the concept of money. One cent is the fundamental principle of the dollar system. A bank will not accept for deposit a million dollar if it is one cent short. Similarly, all systems have that unit of organization and system of counting and accounting.

Just as you said, a person, the human individual is the basic unit of the Ethiopia social system and the fundamental principle of the Ethiopian people as a political community. It is this political community that organizes what we call the state and a government. So, as you can see DDT is wasting his time with a pseudo-question.

Ethiopia as a society, it is a system and any system must have an organizing principle around which all of the structures, functions, and processes of that system are arranged. In any modern civilized society and any functional, rational and intelligent social and political system, the individual is the basic foundation and the organizing element.

When a conscious and political person states that he is Ethiopianist and in fact an Ethiopian nationalist, he must be basing his understanding precisely on the idea that the foundation of everything Ethiopian is based on the Ethiopian individual - his/her rights, existence, safety and well being. This is most fundamental source of all the legal, ethical, economic, cultural and other forms organization including linguistic, ethnic, trade, professional associations which are too many to enumerate.

The confused ethnic muddle in the likes of DDT, Tuma, Olfist etc are folks who waste their entire life without ever grasping what clear thinking means and without ever attempting to clearly think about what they are talking about.

Look at Somalia - the issue is not about some kind of clan federation etc. They are fighting over the issue of founding their political system on the individual as basic organizing principle. DDT & his Oromuma bothers are light years away from this kind of modern political idea.

What you mentioned above is revealing!!! the Olf plan is to convert the entire Ethiopia into Oromo!! Right from the horses’s mouth, DDT! This means be ready Ethiopia: accept pro colonialist Latin! Accept Protestant/ Wahhabism! Accept suit dressing no longer traditional clothes! Accept bizarre witch craft they made up as religion and culture that is not even Oromo we are used to called Irecha! Accept Egyptian flag they made up from their Egypt masters!

[Somaliman]

Abere,
I don't want to sound racist, but I still have to meet an Oromo intellectual that understands what society means, what a political society means, what a political community means and in short what a social (political) system means. If you ask DDT to state the basic unit, the foundational principle of the Ethiopia system (be it social or political) he has none. DDT does not even have a method of thinking about a society or a political community, or a system of government of a people.

For example, let us take the banking system and the concept of money. One cent is the fundamental principle of the dollar system. A bank will not accept for deposit a million dollar if it is one cent short. Similarly, all systems have that unit of organization and system of counting and accounting.

Just as you said, a person, the human individual is the basic unit of the Ethiopia social system and the fundamental principle of the Ethiopian people as a political community. It is this political community that organizes what we call the state and a government. So, as you can see DDT is wasting his time with a pseudo-question.

Ethiopia as a society, it is a system and any system must have an organizing principle around which all of the structures, functions, and processes of that system are arranged. In any modern civilized society and any functional, rational and intelligent social and political system, the individual is the basic foundation and the organizing element.

When a conscious and political person states that he is Ethiopianist and in fact an Ethiopian nationalist, he must be basing his understanding precisely on the idea that the foundation of everything Ethiopian is based on the Ethiopian individual - his/her rights, existence, safety and well being. This is most fundamental source of all the legal, ethical, economic, cultural and other forms organization including linguistic, ethnic, trade, professional associations which are too many to enumerate.

The confused ethnic muddle in the likes of DDT, Tuma, Olfist etc are folks who waste their entire life without ever grasping what clear thinking means and without ever attempting to clearly think about what they are talking about.

Look at Somalia - the issue is not about some kind of clan federation etc. They are fighting over the issue of founding their political system on the individual as basic organizing principle. DDT & his Oromuma bothers are light years away from this kind of modern political idea.

Look at Somalia - the issue is not about some kind of clan federation etc. They are fighting over the issue of founding their political system on the individual as basic organizing principle. DDT & his Oromuma bothers are light years away from this kind of modern political idea.

The first time I read truthful about Somalia from you!

Many foreigners think that we're divided into clans and are fighting along this division, which is absolutely not true. For instance, our prime minister and Ahmed Madobe of Jubaland are from the same subclan and used to even be very close friends, and most of the critics of Hasan Sheikh are from his own subclan.