Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
Ethiopia has parliamentarian state system and the power of the government rests on the Prime Minister who leads the government. The office of the President does not have any real powers as it is largely a ceremonial function. The head of state / President is responsible for giving speeches in state ceremonies, granting clemencies and meeting ambassadors when they are appointed and when they finish their appointments.
A Foreign Minister, on the other hand, holds an executive power and is one the country's top 3 or 4 most power officials. Ato Taye's appointment does not look a promotion when you look at the real powers given especially as he hasn't even served for a full year as a Foreign Minister.
Eritrean Foreign Minister Petros Solomon (currently imprisoned incommunicado with his wife for over 23 year) and his friends used to call his office the Firefighters Ministry. Isaias used to start 'fire' with Yemen, Djibouti, France, African Union etc and it was the Foreign Minister's job to defuse conflicts started by Isaias and try to restore normalcy. Abiy and his short-termist foreign policies have been disrupting Ethiopia's friendly relationships with Djibouti, Kenya, Sudan, Eritrea, China, EU Countries, USA etc at different times, and I guess one would probably rather have a ceremonial stress-free job rather than a supposedly top job without real powers to set the foreign policies of the country.
A Foreign Minister, on the other hand, holds an executive power and is one the country's top 3 or 4 most power officials. Ato Taye's appointment does not look a promotion when you look at the real powers given especially as he hasn't even served for a full year as a Foreign Minister.
Eritrean Foreign Minister Petros Solomon (currently imprisoned incommunicado with his wife for over 23 year) and his friends used to call his office the Firefighters Ministry. Isaias used to start 'fire' with Yemen, Djibouti, France, African Union etc and it was the Foreign Minister's job to defuse conflicts started by Isaias and try to restore normalcy. Abiy and his short-termist foreign policies have been disrupting Ethiopia's friendly relationships with Djibouti, Kenya, Sudan, Eritrea, China, EU Countries, USA etc at different times, and I guess one would probably rather have a ceremonial stress-free job rather than a supposedly top job without real powers to set the foreign policies of the country.
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DefendTheTruth
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Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
sarcasm,sarcasm wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 16:37Ethiopia has parliamentarian state system and the power of the government rests on the Prime Minister who leads the government. The office of the President does not have any real powers as it is largely a ceremonial function. The head of state / President is responsible for giving speeches in state ceremonies, granting clemencies and meeting ambassadors when they are appointed and when they finish their appointments.
A Foreign Minister, on the other hand, holds an executive power and is one the country's top 3 or 4 most power officials. Ato Taye's appointment does not look a promotion when you look at the real powers given especially as he hasn't even served for a full year as a Foreign Minister.
Eritrean Foreign Minister Petros Solomon (currently imprisoned incommunicado with his wife for over 23 year) and his friends used to call his office the Firefighters Ministry. Isaias used to start 'fire' with Yemen, Djibouti, France, African Union etc and it was the Foreign Minister's job to defuse conflicts started by Isaias and try to restore normalcy. Abiy and his short-termist foreign policies have been disrupting Ethiopia's friendly relationships with Djibouti, Kenya, Sudan, Eritrea, China, EU Countries, USA etc at different times, and I guess one would probably rather have a ceremonial stress-free job rather than a supposedly top job without real powers to set the foreign policies of the country.
I called you on the other thread but you never came back to it, hopefully not intentional.
I read in your list of job-descriptions of Ethiopian Presidents and failed to locate one of the key contributions of a former President of the country. President Mulatu Teshome was credited for attracting many FDI into the country, many of the Chinese investors in the country were said to have been won over by him. Not only from China but also from Turkey and other places, if you don't doubt about that, then is that function not executing something?
A president is a figure head, meets dignitaries, can contact them on various issues of his/her particular interest, can negotiate with counterparts on national interest issues, and many more.
I am really lost.
BTW., even the First Lady has changed many things on the ground, all are cross generational contributions to the nation, schools, mega bakeries, etc. And that title was not much known before, doesn't have much budget, if at all.
Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
Hi Defend,DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 16:53sarcasm,
I called you on the other thread but you never came back to it, hopefully not intentional.
I read in your list of job-descriptions of Ethiopian Presidents and failed to locate one of the key contributions of a former President of the country. President Mulatu Teshome was credited for attracting many FDI into the country, many of the Chinese investors in the country were said to have been won over by him. Not only from China but also from Turkey and other places, if you don't doubt about that, then is that function not executing something?
A president is a figure head, meets dignitaries, can contact them on various issues of his/her particular interest, can negotiate with counterparts on national interest issues, and many more.
I am really lost.
BTW., even the First Lady has changed many things on the ground, all are cross generational contributions to the nation, schools, mega bakeries, etc. And that title was not much known before, doesn't have much budget, if at all.
I did not see your message on the other thready. Please post the link on this thread, I will then reply on that one.
I was just comparing the offices of the President and the Foreign Minister generally in the above post. President Mulatu brought a lot of FDI from China and other countries as a Minister of Economic Development, then Ambassador to China and later as a President. Even after he left the office of the President, I have seen him in almost in all high level economic delegations to China. I think this is all because of his special experience and qualities rather than because he was a president. I don't think the preceding president before him generated any FDI as a president. Other ministries such as the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, Foreign, Trade & Industry, Urban Dvpt & Construction, Technology etc are responsible in generating FDIs.
My post was not in anyway a put down of the office of President. You are expected to exercise the powers given to you by law, nothing more. I am sure, the office has more prestige in the eyes of many Ethiopians than other ministries with executive powers.
Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
Hi sarcasm,
I agree with you 100%. It is a demotion for Taye as he won't have any executive power as President. At the Foreign ministry, he at least could bring some meaningful changes considering his long diplomatic experience and knowledge, especially with his English language proficiency. Now satan Mamo killo is going to destroy the already dead diplomacy with his limited broken English. Last time he stuck his nose in the Foreign ministry business, he abruptly shut down almost all Ethiopian embassies all over the world only to reopen them with lots of financial loss. I'm sure he'll make another moronic decisions again.
God be with Ethiopia!
I agree with you 100%. It is a demotion for Taye as he won't have any executive power as President. At the Foreign ministry, he at least could bring some meaningful changes considering his long diplomatic experience and knowledge, especially with his English language proficiency. Now satan Mamo killo is going to destroy the already dead diplomacy with his limited broken English. Last time he stuck his nose in the Foreign ministry business, he abruptly shut down almost all Ethiopian embassies all over the world only to reopen them with lots of financial loss. I'm sure he'll make another moronic decisions again.
God be with Ethiopia!
sarcasm wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 16:37Ethiopia has parliamentarian state system and the power of the government rests on the Prime Minister who leads the government. The office of the President does not have any real powers as it is largely a ceremonial function. The head of state / President is responsible for giving speeches in state ceremonies, granting clemencies and meeting ambassadors when they are appointed and when they finish their appointments.
A Foreign Minister, on the other hand, holds an executive power and is one the country's top 3 or 4 most power officials. Ato Taye's appointment does not look a promotion when you look at the real powers given especially as he hasn't even served for a full year as a Foreign Minister.
Eritrean Foreign Minister Petros Solomon (currently imprisoned incommunicado with his wife for over 23 year) and his friends used to call his office the Firefighters Ministry. Isaias used to start 'fire' with Yemen, Djibouti, France, African Union etc and it was the Foreign Minister's job to defuse conflicts started by Isaias and try to restore normalcy. Abiy and his short-termist foreign policies have been disrupting Ethiopia's friendly relationships with Djibouti, Kenya, Sudan, Eritrea, China, EU Countries, USA etc at different times, and I guess one would probably rather have a ceremonial stress-free job rather than a supposedly top job without real powers to set the foreign policies of the country.
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Dark Energy
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Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
Sarcasm aka Eden,
The great Petros Solomon was not the foreign minister. It was Haile Drue. Haile was trying to defuse the Badme war before it started. He got lot of bad rap aka negative propaganda for that. Both contributed a lot to Eritrean independence to become a reality.
The great Petros Solomon was not the foreign minister. It was Haile Drue. Haile was trying to defuse the Badme war before it started. He got lot of bad rap aka negative propaganda for that. Both contributed a lot to Eritrean independence to become a reality.
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DefendTheTruth
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Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
Hi sarcasm,
I was referring to the following thread at: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=351494
I was referring to the following thread at: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=351494
sarcasm wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 18:27Hi Defend,DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 16:53sarcasm,
I called you on the other thread but you never came back to it, hopefully not intentional.
I read in your list of job-descriptions of Ethiopian Presidents and failed to locate one of the key contributions of a former President of the country. President Mulatu Teshome was credited for attracting many FDI into the country, many of the Chinese investors in the country were said to have been won over by him. Not only from China but also from Turkey and other places, if you don't doubt about that, then is that function not executing something?
A president is a figure head, meets dignitaries, can contact them on various issues of his/her particular interest, can negotiate with counterparts on national interest issues, and many more.
I am really lost.
BTW., even the First Lady has changed many things on the ground, all are cross generational contributions to the nation, schools, mega bakeries, etc. And that title was not much known before, doesn't have much budget, if at all.
I did not see your message on the other thready. Please post the link on this thread, I will then reply on that one.
I was just comparing the offices of the President and the Foreign Minister generally in the above post. President Mulatu brought a lot of FDI from China and other countries as a Minister of Economic Development, then Ambassador to China and later as a President. Even after he left the office of the President, I have seen him in almost in all high level economic delegations to China. I think this is all because of his special experience and qualities rather than because he was a president. I don't think the preceding president before him generated any FDI as a president. Other ministries such as the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development, Foreign, Trade & Industry, Urban Dvpt & Construction, Technology etc are responsible in generating FDIs.
My post was not in anyway a put down of the office of President. You are expected to exercise the powers given to you by law, nothing more. I am sure, the office has more prestige in the eyes of many Ethiopians than other ministries with executive powers.
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Dark Energy
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I think Abby is getting rid off him for a reason. Abbiy wants to be himself the foreign minister as well. The guy looks to be an intelligent person. He may not agree with abbiy on the foreign policy formulations. Abbiy is perhaps violating time tested sound policies. Abbiy is accustomed to do. Abbiy is an idiot. He was a soldier. That was it. He is just another ni…Ger who is destroying a State for he is a street person with little knowledge of how to run a State.
Re: Is it demotion or promotion?
Hi DE,Dark Energy wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 23:40Sarcasm aka Eden,
The great Petros Solomon was not the foreign minister. It was Haile Drue. Haile was trying to defuse the Badme war before it started. He got lot of bad rap aka negative propaganda for that. Both contributed a lot to Eritrean independence to become a reality.
He was FM for about 4 years starting few months after the official independence until around the Bademe War. That is why I listed Isaias's clashes with Yemen, Djibouti, France, African Union only in my post. I should have added Egypt to that list.
List of ministers
This is a list of ministers of foreign affairs of Eritrea:
1993–1994: Mahmoud Ahmed Sherifo
1994–1997: Petros Solomon
1997–2000: Haile Woldense
2000–2005: Ali Said Abdella
2005–2007: Mohamed Omer (acting)
2007–present: Osman Saleh Mohammed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_ ... _(Eritrea)
sarcasm wrote: ↑07 Oct 2024, 16:37Eritrean Foreign Minister Petros Solomon (currently imprisoned incommunicado with his wife for over 23 year) and his friends used to call his office the Firefighters Ministry. Isaias used to start 'fire' with Yemen, Djibouti, France, African Union etc and it was the Foreign Minister's job to defuse conflicts started by Isaias and try to restore normalcy.