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[Somaliman]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

[Right]

Ethiopia without ethnic divisions would have been a great country.
Ethiopian highlands and Chile said to have one of the most favourable weather and climate in the planet to live. Add to that a growing and vibrant population.

But we are trapped and there is no easy way out. The my ethnic group first instead of individual rights and freedom will permanently damage Ethiopia.

I heard Kenyata’s recent speech in Kenya. He said: “if we don’t handle our young generation carefully it will explode on our face”.

That is what exactly happened to the Ethiopian regime of the 60s. Ethiopia never recovered from the ill advised and unwise revolution of that era.

[Affable]

For more than three decades Ethiopian politicians and cadres have tried to “teach” us about federalism. But to teach you should know the subject you are trying to teach. Still today, after all these years, I haven’t found a single Ethiopian politician of the governing party or a cadre who has convinced me about his/her knowing about federalism.
This writer seems to agree with me. He wrote “ federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country.” The best example the Tigray so called government.
As time goes by, as the old tribal politicians start dying one after another, however , the very definition of “federalism” they have used so long just to hold on their tribal political power will start to fade away. Their “glory” days are in the past.

[Abere]

Ethnic Federalism Does NOT make a Country, it breaks a country and results ANARCHY.

Ethnic Federalism and A Viable Country (country without no going concern) are OLIL and WATER.

How many more years do you, retarded, people want to prove this? 50 solid years already proved that it is not working. Saw, how Tigray turned into ashes; and seen how war is raging in Amhara, Saw how Addis Ababa becomes a dangerous city to live and work,, saw how Wolega turned into a slaughtering house ( Qera).

Are Woyane and OLF Apes, and aspire an Ape society.

[Somaliman]

Ethnic Federalism Does NOT make a Country, it breaks a country and results ANARCHY.

Ethnic Federalism and A Viable Country (country without no going concern) are OLIL and WATER.

How many more years do you, retarded, people want to prove this? 50 solid years already proved that it is not working. Saw, how Tigray turned into ashes; and seen how war is raging in Amhara, Saw how Addis Ababa becomes a dangerous city to live and work,, saw how Wolega turned into a slaughtering house ( Qera).

Are Woyane and OLF Apes, and aspire an Ape society.

Ethnic Federalism Does NOT make a Country, it breaks a country and results ANARCHY.

This can only be crap that you've plucked out of your own arse.

[Odie]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

Good observation!
Ethnic federalism is something that should even be labeled as:
“Dangerous not even try it”!

[Abdisa]

You should've thought about that when you imposed the ethnic federation/ ethnic balkanization system on the country.

[sarcasm]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

I don't know about Somalia, but Ethiopia has been a federalist system for 1000s years. The Neguse Negest system is an organic federalist system devised by Ancient Tigrayans in Axum. The core foundations of the system are autonomy, self-rule and respect for differences. Hence, the Abyssinia / Ethiopian Empire has always been a federalist arrangement.

The Neguse Negest system is a federalist system where the Neguses have autonomy on their territories and pay taxes to the Neguse Negest (federal government). The Neguse Negest looks after common defense and international relations. Actually, it looks like it was HSI who ended the federalist system when he fired the Neguses but still kept the Neguse Negest title. He introduced a centralized state system into a country that has always been a federalist structure. Mengistu continued the madness of a unitarist state structure which resulted in Eritrea's independence.

The Isaias, Abiy & Amhara Elite / fake 'Ethiopianist' alliance have plunged the country into another bloody war after 30 years of peace and world class economic growth in order to re-install a centralized / unitary state system and end the existing Constitutional Federalism. Tigray has single-handedly defeated the Alliance and forced PM Abiy & his PP to commit to keep Constitutional Federalism.

Prof Mesay Kebede explains hhow the federalist / Neguse Negest system was invented by ancient Tigrayans in Axum and how Haile Selassie I replaced the organic system with a centralized state system which is incompatible with a very large, diverse and populous Ethiopia.

[Odie]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

I don't know about Somalia, but Ethiopia has been a federalist system for 1000s years. The Neguse Negest system is an organic federalist system devised by Ancient Tigrayans in Axum. The core foundations of the system areautonomy, self-rule and respect for differences. Hence, the Abyssinia / Ethiopian Empire has always been a federalist arrangement.

ስርቆ ዝም!
ተራህን ጨርሳሃል!
ትላንት በሎም ስትል የነበርክ ዛሬ ስው አትምስል!

[Dama]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

[Somaliman]

Knives are in general safe for use. But if you don't know how to use them safely and you keep cutting yourself, are the knives to be blamed!

[Somaliman]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

Does Ethiopia really need federalism, in the first place? If yes, why?

We need to answer these first.

[Dama]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

Does Ethiopia really need federalism, in the first place? If yes, why?

We need to answer these first.

You answered your own question "yes" but not the right one. Give an example the right type of federalism.

[sesame]

To characterize the primitive system that Ethiopians endured for thousands of years as a functioning federal system is part of the huge lie that you use to brainwash yourselves. Was there any time, say in the past 1000 years, when Ethiopians were at peace? Of course not. The Amharas tried to legitimize their rule by fabricating the Kibre Negest but that was very inadequate to create a stable system. The Neguse Negest was a warlord who used brute force to subjugate his neighbours. And that is exactly what is happening in Ethiopia today, where the modern-day Neguse Negest is using the hammer to subdue rebellious provinces, except this time, the conflicts are assuming dangerous ethnic character instead of the traditional regional disputes. The ethnic genie is out of the bottle now and things will only get worse as the conflicts become more bitter and ethnic hatreds solidify! God have Mercy!

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

I don't know about Somalia, but Ethiopia has been a federalist system for 1000s years. The Neguse Negest system is an organic federalist system devised by Ancient Tigrayans in Axum. The core foundations of the system are autonomy, self-rule and respect for differences. Hence, the Abyssinia / Ethiopian Empire has always been a federalist arrangement.

The Neguse Negest system is a federalist system where the Neguses have autonomy on their territories and pay taxes to the Neguse Negest (federal government). The Neguse Negest looks after common defense and international relations. Actually, it looks like it was HSI who ended the federalist system when he fired the Neguses but still kept the Neguse Negest title. He introduced a centralized state system into a country that has always been a federalist structure. Mengistu continued the madness of a unitarist state structure which resulted in Eritrea's independence.

The Isaias, Abiy & Amhara Elite / fake 'Ethiopianist' alliance have plunged the country into another bloody war after 30 years of peace and world class economic growth in order to re-install a centralized / unitary state system and end the existing Constitutional Federalism. Tigray has single-handedly defeated the Alliance and forced PM Abiy & his PP to commit to keep Constitutional Federalism.

Prof Mesay Kebede explains hhow the federalist / Neguse Negest system was invented by ancient Tigrayans in Axum and how Haile Selassie I replaced the organic system with a centralized state system which is incompatible with a very large, diverse and populous Ethiopia.

[Somaliman]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

Does Ethiopia really need federalism, in the first place? If yes, why?

We need to answer these first.

You answered your own question "yes" but not the right one. Give an example the right type of federalism.

I haven't answered any question, I've just said, if yes. Therefore, the question still stands.

If we remove the ethnic element for a second, does Ethiopia still need federalism?

In addition, there are no right or wrong federal systems. It's all about suitability and whether a country can make use of whichever it chooses and benefit from it.

[Dama]

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors. In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works.

..in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, as a result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country.This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

This below is your conclusion;
Federalism, unknown by the people, written in a rush without much deliberation by individuals without expertise has created hostilities among the various ethnic groups. Also, federal states created in such quick manner are behaving like breakaway republics. Federalisms, as implemented in Ethiopia and Somalia, rather serves to disintegrate these countries.

[Somaliman]

For more than three decades Ethiopian politicians and cadres have tried to “teach” us about federalism. But to teach you should know the subject you are trying to teach. Still today, after all these years, I haven’t found a single Ethiopian politician of the governing party or a cadre who has convinced me about his/her knowing about federalism.
This writer seems to agree with me. He wrote “ federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country.” The best example the Tigray so called government.
As time goes by, as the old tribal politicians start dying one after another, however , the very definition of “federalism” they have used so long just to hold on their tribal political power will start to fade away. Their “glory” days are in the past.

In fact, what we've in Somalia is not even a federal system. No one can even tell you what it's, of course apart from the crooks who are using it as their cash cow and all the paraphernalia that goes along with, who call it federalism. No one else can tell you what it's because it doesn't exist anywhere else in the world.

Have you ever heard of a country where each federal state has got over 60 ministers and deputy ministers, its own army, and own president, as their so-called leaders do not want to be called anything else other than president. They travel abroad and meet leaders of foreign countries without the knowledge of the federal government, leave alone its consent. Would you call this a federal system?

All federal states in Somalia are, in reality, countries on their own within another country. I'm sure these so-called federal states and their crooks in Somalia would be delighted to even divide the sky above Somalia between themselves, if they could, as they've been fighting to see the Somali coast divided between themselves.

It's a fact that most of our politicians, both in Somalia and Ethiopia, have only a very superficial knowledge about federalism, leave alone how it's supposed to work practically.

In Somalia, Al Shabab is a crucial hindrance to the country's stability and advancement. But Al Shabab issue is only a conjunctural one, as it sooner or later will subside. But the real impediment is federalism, as it's being structural, and unless it's put forward for a referendum and people's voices are heard, Somalia will keep experiencing never-ending chaos, one after anther.