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[TesfaNews]

Why does the Quran keep saying "we" saved you israel who is WE?

is WE meaning the ARABS?

how can God call himself "WE"

or is WE meaning the Trinitarian God or the Angels?

anyways I enjoyed the Arabic singing/chanting of the Jewish bible

[Sadacha Macca]

Beloved Tigrayan brother noble tigray aka abdeaziz aka tesfaye-gebre-wediadwa news aka andertan, you have a LOT to learn. The use of 'we' can refer to a king, or someone powerful ''Nahnu'' is the usual way of saying 'we' in reference to a singular thing, though. Learn a little about Arabic, my tigrayan friend, it's a beautiful language. The trinity is nonsense and was created loooong after the era of Jesus-peace be upon him, 3 could NEVER be 1 and 1 could NEVER be 3. There is only one Lord, one creator, who is far, far above having partners, sons, equals, rivals, or any associates. Jesus peace be upon him was nothing more than a rigtheous and pious messenger and prophet-he ate, slept, drank, used the bathroom, and no doubt, never told his followers to worship him. But it will be all clear one day for sure! No need to debate or argue. God will judge between his servants one day!


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/606/why ... self-as-we

[TesfaNews]

Beloved Tigrayan brother noble tigray aka abdeaziz aka tesfaye-gebre-wediadwa news aka andertan, you have a LOT to learn. The use of 'we' can refer to a king, or someone powerful ''Nahnu'' is the usual way of saying 'we' in reference to a singular thing, though. Learn a little about Arabic, my tigrayan friend, it's a beautiful language. The trinity is nonsense and was created loooong after the era of Jesus-peace be upon him, 3 could NEVER be 1 and 1 could NEVER be 3. There is only one Lord, one creator, who is far, far above having partners, sons, equals, rivals, or any associates. Jesus peace be upon him was nothing more than a rigtheous and pious messenger and prophet-he ate, slept, drank, used the bathroom, and no doubt, never told his followers to worship him. But it will be all clear one day for sure! No need to debate or argue. God will judge between his servants one day!


https://islamqa.info/en/answers/606/why ... self-as-we

So when allah says "We" in the Quran he means his other 99 other names?

you do know the Quran is reciting the 5 books of moses and summarizing it not actually detailing it like the bible does?

22 Then the Lord God said, “Now these human beings have become like one of us and have knowledge of what is good and what is bad.[a] They must not be allowed to take fruit from the tree that gives life, eat it, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God sent them out of the Garden of Eden and made them cultivate the soil from which they had been formed. 24 Then at the east side of the garden he put living creatures and a flaming sword which turned in all directions. This was to keep anyone from coming near the tree that gives life.

God declares himself as " I " then the writer add "Says the Lord Almighty:

Malachi 3:11

I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not drop their fruit before it is ripe,” says the LORD Almighty.


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[Sadacha Macca]

Beloved Tigrayan brother, When he say says 'we' he is referring to himself alone, the one who has no partners, rivals, associates, etc. No doubt, it is a great slander, lie and insult to God to say he has a son, or a wife, or offspring, or rivals or that he's 2nd or 1st or even 3rd of a trinity. A great slander invented by astray men, not by righteous men, or by the pious prophet Jesus peace be upon him. Do you even know enough Arabic to say what the Qur'an is? To read the translation is not knowing it, and it wouldn't even qualify a person to be a rookie or student. You'd have to at least know SOME Arabic, especially classical Arabic-the closest thing to it is MSA/Modern Standard Arabic known as 'Fus-ha.'
If there are similarities to the previous revealed scriptures-keep in mind, it is the same God who revealed those books, SO there are bound to be some similar things. But the exact same thing? No, that'd be a lie. No doubt my tigrayan brother, You can deny it all you want, but it makes wayyy more sense for there to be One God, who has no son, no rival, no trinity, just a self sufficient creator, than to say there's 3 Gods, or 3 parts to God, he has a son, but the son sometimes is seen as God to some Christians and is worshiped even tho he is a human, and etc.

[TesfaNews]

Just because I dont speak Arabic doesnt mean I don't know the Quran

The Quran is Arabian Reciting of the Jewish Torah and the Christian Bible

The concept of Tawheed "Oneness" is in the old testament!

Deuteronomy 6:4-15
King James Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

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as for Jesus the New Testament declares him as the "WORD OF GOD" or Kalimat Allah.............. As for the divinity of Jesus many get confused because how can God dwell in flesh? the fact is the Flesh was not God! it was the spirit that was in the body that was God. and who can stop God from doing such?

Christians have also divided into camps of Chalcedonianism (Orthodox/Catholic) Miaphytism (Egyptian-Ethiopian) Arianism (Extinct) and Nestorianism (Extinct) and split over this disagreement. These Christian groups would eventually wage war and discriminate the other just like Muslim Shia/Sunni /Christian Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox divisions but the division is based on the difference of interpretation and not the book

but the answer is found in both Bible and the Quran

John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

In Quran 4:171, Isa is called Rūḥ minhu (Arabic: رُوحٌۭ مِّنْه), meaning 'a Spirit from him' (i.e., from God).[5] The word rūḥ originally meant "breath", "wind". In post-Quranic tradition, rūḥ became equated with nafs, "spirit", but in the Quran itself, it means "a special angel messenger and a special divine quality".[6] In three passages (2:87, 2:253; 5:110), Isa is also said to be supported by the Rūḥ al-qudus ("the holy spirit" or "spirit of holiness").[7]

In the Qur’an, Jesus, peace be with him1, is called Kalimat Allah, the “Word of God,” or rather, to be more precise, he is referred to as kalimatin min Allah “a Word from God.” Angels called out to Zachariah:

“Allah gives you the good news of John, as a confirmer of a Word from God, eminent and chaste, a prophet, among the righteous.” (3:39)

Beloved Tigrayan brother, When he say says 'we' he is referring to himself alone, the one who has no partners, rivals, associates, etc. No doubt, it is a great slander, lie and insult to God to say he has a son, or a wife, or offspring, or rivals or that he's 2nd or 1st or even 3rd of a trinity. A great slander invented by astray men, not by righteous men, or by the pious prophet Jesus peace be upon him. Do you even know enough Arabic to say what the Qur'an is? To read the translation is not knowing it, and it wouldn't even qualify a person to be a rookie or student. You'd have to at least know SOME Arabic, especially classical Arabic-the closest thing to it is MSA/Modern Standard Arabic known as 'Fus-ha.'
If there are similarities to the previous revealed scriptures-keep in mind, it is the same God who revealed those books, SO there are bound to be some similar things. But the exact same thing? No, that'd be a lie. No doubt my tigrayan brother, You can deny it all you want, but it makes wayyy more sense for there to be One God, who has no son, no rival, no trinity, just a self sufficient creator, than to say there's 3 Gods, or 3 parts to God, he has a son, but the son sometimes is seen as God to some Christians and is worshiped even tho he is a human, and etc.

[Sadacha Macca]

Just because I dont speak Arabic doesnt mean I don't know the Quran

The Quran is Arabian Reciting of the Jewish Torah and the Christian Bible

The concept of Tawheed "Oneness" is in the old testament!

Deuteronomy 6:4-15
King James Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Beloved Tigrayan brother, When he say says 'we' he is referring to himself alone, the one who has no partners, rivals, associates, etc. No doubt, it is a great slander, lie and insult to God to say he has a son, or a wife, or offspring, or rivals or that he's 2nd or 1st or even 3rd of a trinity. A great slander invented by astray men, not by righteous men, or by the pious prophet Jesus peace be upon him. Do you even know enough Arabic to say what the Qur'an is? To read the translation is not knowing it, and it wouldn't even qualify a person to be a rookie or student. You'd have to at least know SOME Arabic, especially classical Arabic-the closest thing to it is MSA/Modern Standard Arabic known as 'Fus-ha.'
If there are similarities to the previous revealed scriptures-keep in mind, it is the same God who revealed those books, SO there are bound to be some similar things. But the exact same thing? No, that'd be a lie. No doubt my tigrayan brother, You can deny it all you want, but it makes wayyy more sense for there to be One God, who has no son, no rival, no trinity, just a self sufficient creator, than to say there's 3 Gods, or 3 parts to God, he has a son, but the son sometimes is seen as God to some Christians and is worshiped even tho he is a human, and etc.

My beloved tigrayan brother, that is exactly what I am saying: if you do not know Arabic, even some, you won't be able to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying, nor will you know the context of verses if you do not know the Tafsir of those verses.
Yes, there are similar things because it's from the same creator, the difference is, they have corrupted those previous books (torah and bible), to a certain extent, but the Qur'an has been preserved. Tawheed is what all the previous messengers called to first-from Noah to Ilyas to David/Dawud, Solomon/Sulayman to Ibrahim to Moses to Jesus and Muhammad-peace and blessings be upon them all. It's not a concept that Islam claims to have introduced, but it is a concept that Islam emphasizes, clarifies, and is based upon-worshipping God alone, directly, with no partners, son, rivals, trinity, or any other associate-he is One, the one who is far, far above having a need for associates, partners, offspring, etc. This is pure monotheism that other religions falsely claim but Islam is the only one really about that.
I've read countless times, Jews saying that their rabbis have the authority to edit and change laws, verses, etc, but if that occurs; that'd mean they took their rabbis as Gods and have shunned God's laws and commands, in order to follow what flawed and sinful humans have said/written/etc.

[Somaliman]

Just because I dont speak Arabic doesnt mean I don't know the Quran

The Quran is Arabian Reciting of the Jewish Torah and the Christian Bible

The concept of Tawheed "Oneness" is in the old testament!

Deuteronomy 6:4-15
King James Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Beloved Tigrayan brother, When he say says 'we' he is referring to himself alone, the one who has no partners, rivals, associates, etc. No doubt, it is a great slander, lie and insult to God to say he has a son, or a wife, or offspring, or rivals or that he's 2nd or 1st or even 3rd of a trinity. A great slander invented by astray men, not by righteous men, or by the pious prophet Jesus peace be upon him. Do you even know enough Arabic to say what the Qur'an is? To read the translation is not knowing it, and it wouldn't even qualify a person to be a rookie or student. You'd have to at least know SOME Arabic, especially classical Arabic-the closest thing to it is MSA/Modern Standard Arabic known as 'Fus-ha.'
If there are similarities to the previous revealed scriptures-keep in mind, it is the same God who revealed those books, SO there are bound to be some similar things. But the exact same thing? No, that'd be a lie. No doubt my tigrayan brother, You can deny it all you want, but it makes wayyy more sense for there to be One God, who has no son, no rival, no trinity, just a self sufficient creator, than to say there's 3 Gods, or 3 parts to God, he has a son, but the son sometimes is seen as God to some Christians and is worshiped even tho he is a human, and etc.

My beloved tigrayan brother, that is exactly what I am saying: if you do not know Arabic, even some, you won't be able to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying, nor will you know the context of verses if you do not know the Tafsir of those verses.
Yes, there are similar things because it's from the same creator, the difference is, they have corrupted those previous books (torah and bible), to a certain extent, but the Qur'an has been preserved. Tawheed is what all the previous messengers called to first-from Noah to Ilyas to David/Dawud, Solomon/Sulayman to Ibrahim to Moses to Jesus and Muhammad-peace and blessings be upon them all. It's not a concept that Islam claims to have introduced, but it is a concept that Islam emphasizes, clarifies, and is based upon-worshipping God alone, directly, with no partners, son, rivals, trinity, or any other associate-he is One, the one who is far, far above having a need for associates, partners, offspring, etc. This is pure monotheism that other religions falsely claim but Islam is the only one really about that.
I've read countless times, Jews saying that their rabbis have the authority to edit and change laws, verses, etc, but if that occurs; that'd mean they took their rabbis as Gods and have shunned God's laws and commands, in order to follow what flawed and sinful humans have said/written/etc.

I am saying: if you do not know Arabic, even some, you won't be able to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying, nor will you know the context of verses if you do not know the Tafsir of those verses.

Although it's important to have at least basic knowledge of Arabic language "to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying", it's not imperative. The Arabic language is not the only medium to understand the Qur'an, as there are plenty of other sources and resources out there. The time when Arabs used to have the monopoly of the Qur'an and Islam in general has long gone.

What you're forgetting is that the Arabic one learns at school and the one in which the Qur'an is written are not quite the same; thus, even native Arabs have monumental difficulties in interpreting the Qur'an.

[Sadacha Macca]

Just because I dont speak Arabic doesnt mean I don't know the Quran

The Quran is Arabian Reciting of the Jewish Torah and the Christian Bible

The concept of Tawheed "Oneness" is in the old testament!

Deuteronomy 6:4-15
King James Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Beloved Tigrayan brother, When he say says 'we' he is referring to himself alone, the one who has no partners, rivals, associates, etc. No doubt, it is a great slander, lie and insult to God to say he has a son, or a wife, or offspring, or rivals or that he's 2nd or 1st or even 3rd of a trinity. A great slander invented by astray men, not by righteous men, or by the pious prophet Jesus peace be upon him. Do you even know enough Arabic to say what the Qur'an is? To read the translation is not knowing it, and it wouldn't even qualify a person to be a rookie or student. You'd have to at least know SOME Arabic, especially classical Arabic-the closest thing to it is MSA/Modern Standard Arabic known as 'Fus-ha.'
If there are similarities to the previous revealed scriptures-keep in mind, it is the same God who revealed those books, SO there are bound to be some similar things. But the exact same thing? No, that'd be a lie. No doubt my tigrayan brother, You can deny it all you want, but it makes wayyy more sense for there to be One God, who has no son, no rival, no trinity, just a self sufficient creator, than to say there's 3 Gods, or 3 parts to God, he has a son, but the son sometimes is seen as God to some Christians and is worshiped even tho he is a human, and etc.

My beloved tigrayan brother, that is exactly what I am saying: if you do not know Arabic, even some, you won't be able to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying, nor will you know the context of verses if you do not know the Tafsir of those verses.
Yes, there are similar things because it's from the same creator, the difference is, they have corrupted those previous books (torah and bible), to a certain extent, but the Qur'an has been preserved. Tawheed is what all the previous messengers called to first-from Noah to Ilyas to David/Dawud, Solomon/Sulayman to Ibrahim to Moses to Jesus and Muhammad-peace and blessings be upon them all. It's not a concept that Islam claims to have introduced, but it is a concept that Islam emphasizes, clarifies, and is based upon-worshipping God alone, directly, with no partners, son, rivals, trinity, or any other associate-he is One, the one who is far, far above having a need for associates, partners, offspring, etc. This is pure monotheism that other religions falsely claim but Islam is the only one really about that.
I've read countless times, Jews saying that their rabbis have the authority to edit and change laws, verses, etc, but if that occurs; that'd mean they took their rabbis as Gods and have shunned God's laws and commands, in order to follow what flawed and sinful humans have said/written/etc.

I am saying: if you do not know Arabic, even some, you won't be able to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying, nor will you know the context of verses if you do not know the Tafsir of those verses.

Although it's important to have at least basic knowledge of Arabic language of Arabic language "to truly understand what the Qur'an is saying", it's not imperative. The Arabic language is not the only medium to understand the Qur'an, as there are plenty of other sources and resources out there. The time when Arabs used to have the monopoly of the Qur'an and Islam in general has long gone.

What you're forgetting is that the Arabic one learns at school and the one in which the Qur'an is written are not quite the same; thus, even native Arabs have monumental difficulties in interpreting the Qur'an.

Beloved Tigrayan brother,

No, if you do not know Arabic, you will never truly understand and get the Qur'an-simply because it was revealed in Arabic, not in English, Spanish, or any other language. Translations and summaries can only give you a small glimpse at what the meanings are, and even then, it won't be as pure as actually knowing the language it was revealed in. This is why many scholars, past and present, were of the belief that learning Arabic was/is obligatory, in order for them to learn/know their religion.
This has nothing to do with ''Arabs having a monopoly,'' which sounds like a subliminal way of implying something else, that wasn't mentioned here, seeing as there's Ethiopian Scholars and Somali scholars who have a better command of the Arabic language than many Arabs. If you put in the work to study, you can know Arabic better than many Arabs.
MSA or Modern Standard Arabic is a simplified version of Classical Arabic, the language of the Qur'an, so if you know it well enough you will know the meanings of the words in the Qur'an, then you refer to the various tafsirs to know it properly (such as ibn kathir)

[Somaliman]

This is why many scholars, past and present, were of the belief that learning Arabic was/is obligatory, in order for them to learn/know their religion.

Obviously, you're confusing an ordinary Muslim with an Islamic scholar.

It's even common sense that an Islamic scholar does not only need to speak Arabic, but also, have a very good command or mastery of Arabic language.



P. S. as I told you in the past, I don't have time to waste arguing with you, as arguing seems to be your favourite hobby.

[Sadacha Macca]

Beloved and esteemed Tigrayan brother,

Even ordinary Muslims need to learn enough Arabic to know the Qur'an, and what it means; reciting is one thing, while knowing what you're reciting is an entirely different thing; no?
I am not into arguing either, you were the one who came on here and pretty much under-valuing the language of Islam and its importance; not me.

[Zack]

The Quran is written in the Old Archaic Arabic The Quran was also Written in the Kufic Arabic which is distinct from the Nabatean Arabic there are historic manuscript of the Kufiic Arabic , where the current Arabic is derived from the Nabatean Arabic. The KUFFIC arabic is from Iraq how ever. But Arabic spoken today the Quranic Arabic are two different things. The Quranic Arabic is classic it is from another Time. So there is an element of Truth when u become a scholar u dont need to learn only arabic of the Suuq u need to learn deep Literature Arabic literature , Arabic Poetry ancient poetry You have to study the Language.

Dr Zackovich

[Sadacha Macca]

Tigrayan Sister Edens other account aka Zack,

Classical Arabic's closest relative today is what is known as MSA/Modern Standard Arabic aka Fus-ha.
If you have a decent understanding of it, you can understand much of the words in the Qur'an, but of course, you need to refer to the books of the scholars, the tafsir books of ibn kathir, mujahid, Islam, etc.
That's all that I was saying.

[Zack]

By the way the Quran doesnt say anythin about israel
Israel is a fake creation of the mid 20th century when allah talks about the bani israel he is refering to the Childeren of Jacob the Ruissian or polish zionist living in Tel aviv

when allah says bini israel we are talking about different people
the YAHUUDI are only from Juda not the other tribes of Jacobs Childeren


Dr Zackovich

[Somaliman]

Beloved and esteemed Tigrayan brother,

Even ordinary Muslims need to learn enough Arabic to know the Qur'an, and what it means; reciting is one thing, while knowing what you're reciting is an entirely different thing; no?
I am not into arguing either, you were the one who came on here and pretty much under-valuing the language of Islam and its importance; not me.

Talking to you is no different from talking to a brick wall.

Zack has explained it to you in detail. While all you apparently know is to call everyone on this forum a Tigrayan. You should focus on what's said, rather than labelling people and calling them names.

[TesfaNews]

based muslim

[Sadacha Macca]

Beloved and esteemed Tigrayan brother,

Even ordinary Muslims need to learn enough Arabic to know the Qur'an, and what it means; reciting is one thing, while knowing what you're reciting is an entirely different thing; no?
I am not into arguing either, you were the one who came on here and pretty much under-valuing the language of Islam and its importance; not me.

Talking to you is no different from talking to a brick wall.

Zack has explained it to you in detail. While all you apparently know is to call everyone on this forum a Tigrayan. You should focus on what's said, rather than labelling people and calling them names.

Beloved angry tigrayan brother aka abyssinialady aka kerenite aka zack aka eden,

Your other account didn't explain anything actually. He (or she or it or they or we, w/e pronoun you guys prefer ) didn't refute the basic point which is: to understand the Qur'an, you need to understand the language it was revealed in: Arabic. Simple as that.
Translating it to other languages will only give you a small glimpse at what it is conveying, to truly understand it, one needs to know the language.
It's such a common sense statement and a well known principle in Islam, yet you and your other account chose to argue over it, perhaps because you are bored or are desperate to portray yourself as a ''Somali Muslim(s).'' Hilariously sad indeed sir.

[Naga Tuma]

… Learn a little about Arabic, my tigrayan friend, it's a beautiful language. The trinity is nonsense and was created loooong after the era of Jesus-peace be upon him, 3 could NEVER be 1 and 1 could NEVER be 3.

You are a believer, right? If so, which one is more of a nonsense?
You as a believer or Trinity as a belief?

How is it so easy for you to say on the same page the early reformers were correct and corrupt?

Will it not be said that when even Moses is said to have left ancient Egypt, Tewahido has never left Africa?

[Naga Tuma]

Exodus: “Moses frees the Jewish people and leads them out of Egypt.”

Where is sebdoyeley? Why in the world would an African Pharaoh “free” the Jewish people and lead them out of Africa?

I am not arguing about freedom for the people or any people. I am asking you again about the logic. Any comment about this logic?

[Naga Tuma]

… even native Arabs have monumental difficulties in interpreting the Qur'an.

Does it inform you about something?

How far has your discussion with eritrea about spirituality gone?

[Deqi-Arawit]

The logic is as follows.

Only Arabs understand the Quran
and when some Arabs refutes the Quran,
the enablers say, only scholars understand the Quran.

Quran is neither Devine nor nothing, it was just a book just like main kamp by Hitler or the communist manifesto by Karl Marx.