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[Dark Energy]

I would have been the first to congratulate Ethiopians. After all, we are connected. But, this murky job involves the violation of sovereignty. It is really a problem. Does it mean that I do not have sympathy for the people of Somali Land. No. I just think the best way to deal with this is, for both Somalia and Somali Land to work it out that benefits all Somali people. The sanctity of a country is, its sovereignty. Ethiopia gets an access to a cheaper port, that is great. Having a Navy is huge cost for the Ethiopian people. The RedSea is congested with nuclear submarines. The traffic is heavy. What is Ethiopia trying to protect its ships from ? From the Houthis ? Another problem with the whole affair, who is calling the shots ? Emirates ?

[Horus]

I would have been the first to congratulate Ethiopians. After all, we are connected. But, this murky job involves the violation of sovereignty. It is really a problem. Does it mean that I do not have sympathy with Somali Land. No. I jut think the best way to deal with this is for both Somalia and Somali Land to work it out that benefits all Somali people. The sanctity of a country is, its sovereignty.

Italian Somalia does not have any sovereignty over British Somaliland, Ditto.

[Abere]

If others from far away countries are roaming in the Red Sea ( it does not matter what they are armed with), Ethiopia should do the same. Do not forget, Ethiopia is the 13th largest country in the whole world. Red Sea is even too small to Ethiopia. I have 100% confidence, if Ethiopia gets a break from war or any aggressor or external saboteurs her people are very entrepreneur, creative and productive. The problem is, Ethiopia has been in a constant battle against saboteurs, destructing her from path of development. A Navy Base is a must Ethiopia should have. A big country like Ethiopia without a Navy Base, is like a big corporate IT infrastructure without anti-malware. The Red Sea is now filled with all sorts scams. Ethiopia's presence is a must. I do not know how Ethiopia's presence is a threat to people like but not the big allegators presence.

I would have been the first to congratulate Ethiopians. After all, we are connected. But, this murky job involves the violation of sovereignty. It is really a problem. Does it mean that I do not have sympathy for the people of Somali Land. No. I just think the best way to deal with this is, for both Somalia and Somali Land to work it out that benefits all Somali people. The sanctity of a country is, its sovereignty. Ethiopia gets an access to a cheaper port, that is great. Having a Navy is huge cost for the Ethiopian people. The RedSea is congested with nuclear submarines. The traffic is heavy. What is Ethiopia trying to protect its ships from ? From the Houthis ? Another problem with the whole affair, who is calling the shots ? Emirates ?

[Zack]

I would have been the first to congratulate Ethiopians. After all, we are connected. But, this murky job involves the violation of sovereignty. It is really a problem. Does it mean that I do not have sympathy for the people of Somali Land. No. I just think the best way to deal with this is, for both Somalia and Somali Land to work it out that benefits all Somali people. The sanctity of a country is, its sovereignty. Ethiopia gets an access to a cheaper port, that is great. Having a Navy is huge cost for the Ethiopian people. The RedSea is congested with nuclear submarines. The traffic is heavy. What is Ethiopia trying to protect its ships from ? From the Houthis ? Another problem with the whole affair, who is calling the shots ? Emirates ?

its all huff and puff the Ethiopians wiill not dare to recognise Somaliland u will it hear it from me if they wanted to do that they would have done it long time ago. They are actually scared to death of Somalia. Somalia which doesnt even have stable government and dont controll all of its said Land made them so nervous and managed to bring the arab League and the IOC and a dozen AU countries and the Americans and the Europeans are all on the side of Somalia.

Dark energy Somalia and Somaliland conflict cant be resolved by the two sides just talking they have reached a dead lock, they have been talking over a decade. What makes u think if they talk they will reach an agreement, Do you want to Mediate as an Eritrean or the Eritrean state can help with this . Why do u think the President of Somaliland stabbed both the president of Somalia and Djibouti in the back. They held talks in Djibouti on the 28 of december 2023 and on the 1 of january the MOA with Ethiopia was signed.

Dr Zackovich

[Wordpad]

Somaliland is pretty much dead after losing to pro Somalia SSC forces in the Sool region. Also they don't control much of the Sanaag region. Awdal wants to stay Somalia. So what is left is the Issac enclave and even they are divided because Musa Bihi has become a dictator.

Somalia is back and gaining strength. Arms embargo and debt were lifted and it successfully joined the East Africa Community. Somalia also pretty much defeated Al-sbabab militarily and it is now just a clean up operation. AMISOM are all leaving by end of this year and Somalia army is taking over all military bases.

Ethiopia on the other hand is divided and in civil war. FANO destroyed Abiys best troops. So Abiy doesn't have an army to go to war with Somalia. Besides the Tigray could go to war with him at anytime.

[Selam/]

Strange why you use colonial terms as if you are in the 1940s wearing a safari hut Primer. They are simply called Somaliland & Somalia.

I would have been the first to congratulate Ethiopians. After all, we are connected. But, this murky job involves the violation of sovereignty. It is really a problem. Does it mean that I do not have sympathy with Somali Land. No. I jut think the best way to deal with this is for both Somalia and Somali Land to work it out that benefits all Somali people. The sanctity of a country is, its sovereignty.

Italian Somalia does not have any sovereignty over British Somaliland, Ditto.

[Zack]

Somaliland is pretty much dead after losing to pro Somalia SSC forces in the Sool region. Also they don't control much of the Sanaag region. Awdal wants to stay Somalia. So what is left is the Issac enclave and even they are divided because Musa Bihi has become a dictator.

Somalia is back and gaining strength. Arms embargo and debt were lifted and it successfully joined the East Africa Community. Somalia also pretty much defeated Al-sbabab militarily and it is now just a clean up operation. AMISOM are all leaving by end of this year and Somalia army is taking over all military bases.

Ethiopia on the other hand is divided and in civil war. FANO destroyed Abiys best troops. So Abiy doesn't have an army to go to war with Somalia. Besides the Tigray could go to war with him at anytime.

To be Fair to them they control much of Somaliland Minus Laascanood which they lost back in august , i yet have to see an uprise in Borama our Gadabuursi cousins are cowards and they will never do any sort of uprise against Bixii. if they were insicnificant as you say hassan sh would not hold any sort of gatering with them. He would march north and take control of the land promised to Abiye no my broter we need real reconcalition that is the only way forward to unify our people and keep the gallas away from our lands. Ego will not get us any where indeed.

Dr Zackovich

[Selam/]

There are many countries in the world that have a naval base on leased ports. The only difference is that they have their own maritime bases back home that constantly feeds and backs up the offshore base.

If others from far away countries are roaming in the Red Sea ( it does not matter what they are armed with), Ethiopia should do the same. Do not forget, Ethiopia is the 13th largest country in the whole world. Red Sea is even too small to Ethiopia. I have 100% confidence, if Ethiopia gets a break from war or any aggressor or external saboteurs her people are very entrepreneur, creative and productive. The problem is, Ethiopia has been in a constant battle against saboteurs, destructing her from path of development. A Navy Base is a must Ethiopia should have. A big country like Ethiopia without a Navy Base, is like a big corporate IT infrastructure without anti-malware. The Red Sea is now filled with all sorts scams. Ethiopia's presence is a must. I do not know how Ethiopia's presence is a threat to people like but not the big allegators presence.

I would have been the first to congratulate Ethiopians. After all, we are connected. But, this murky job involves the violation of sovereignty. It is really a problem. Does it mean that I do not have sympathy for the people of Somali Land. No. I just think the best way to deal with this is, for both Somalia and Somali Land to work it out that benefits all Somali people. The sanctity of a country is, its sovereignty. Ethiopia gets an access to a cheaper port, that is great. Having a Navy is huge cost for the Ethiopian people. The RedSea is congested with nuclear submarines. The traffic is heavy. What is Ethiopia trying to protect its ships from ? From the Houthis ? Another problem with the whole affair, who is calling the shots ? Emirates ?

[Somaliman]

Somaliland is pretty much dead after losing to pro Somalia SSC forces in the Sool region. Also they don't control much of the Sanaag region. Awdal wants to stay Somalia. So what is left is the Issac enclave and even they are divided because Musa Bihi has become a dictator.

Somalia is back and gaining strength. Arms embargo and debt were lifted and it successfully joined the East Africa Community. Somalia also pretty much defeated Al-sbabab militarily and it is now just a clean up operation. AMISOM are all leaving by end of this year and Somalia army is taking over all military bases.

Ethiopia on the other hand is divided and in civil war. FANO destroyed Abiys best troops. So Abiy doesn't have an army to go to war with Somalia. Besides the Tigray could go to war with him at anytime.

Somaliland is pretty much dead after losing

... the little sympathy that the West had for them, after instigating the brutal and bloody Lasanod conflict, which has taken the lives of thousands on both sides. They were the very ones that initiated this unprovoked and unjustified conflict by sending their ragtag security forces in to Lasanod to hold a violent crackdown on peaceful civil protests.

In result, the West has since withdrawn its sympathy and also stopped donating to them directly, bringing the mindless enclave under Mogadishu's authority, just like any other federal state. Every penny the West donates to them has lately been going through Mogadishu. Good for them, which in polite English means, they can go fuc.k themselves.

[Wordpad]

Somaliland is pretty much dead after losing to pro Somalia SSC forces in the Sool region. Also they don't control much of the Sanaag region. Awdal wants to stay Somalia. So what is left is the Issac enclave and even they are divided because Musa Bihi has become a dictator.

Somalia is back and gaining strength. Arms embargo and debt were lifted and it successfully joined the East Africa Community. Somalia also pretty much defeated Al-sbabab militarily and it is now just a clean up operation. AMISOM are all leaving by end of this year and Somalia army is taking over all military bases.

Ethiopia on the other hand is divided and in civil war. FANO destroyed Abiys best troops. So Abiy doesn't have an army to go to war with Somalia. Besides the Tigray could go to war with him at anytime.

To be Fair to them they control much of Somaliland Minus Laascanood which they lost back in august , i yet have to see an uprise in Borama our Gadabuursi cousins are cowards and they will never do any sort of uprise against Bixii. if they were insicnificant as you say hassan sh would not hold any sort of gatering with them. He would march north and take control of the land promised to Abiye no my broter we need real reconcalition that is the only way forward to unify our people and keep the gallas away from our lands. Ego will not get us any where indeed.

Dr Zackovich

They lost to SSC civilians. This shows that they are just paper state. Besides they don't control much of Sanaag. Awdal people are peaceful. Unfortunately they have taken advantage of this.

Somalia controls all the airspace. We are now building up our navy to control all our sea. Mogadishu is back after 30 years. The whole world supports Mogadishu view in Somalia's sovereignty .

[Zack]

Only time will tell we shall see how it all goes indeed

Dr Zackovich

[Somaliman]

Only time will tell we shall see how it all goes indeed

Dr Zackovich

We don't give a fuc.k about time. It's you guys who are dreaming that time will work out one day and all of a sudden bring in your long-held dream - recognition - which you don't even know what it'll contribute to you.

The mindless enclave can stay in this limbo as along as it takes, we're not missing anything They're the ones who are busy with the rest of Somalia and what's going on in Mogadishu. Somaliland is the least of our worries. Apart from fuc.kers who've nothing else to do other than discussing politics at cafes, we don't fuc.king care about Somaliland.

The fuc.kers were a heavy burden on the rest of Somalia, as they didn't produce anything, neither did they contribute anything to the country's economy. All they know is looking for ways of getting easy money, chewing khat, and talking tribalism all day long and every fuc.king day.

[Mesob]

The people of Somaliland have spoken many times that they do not want to be part of Zoomalia.
You can not force people what they do not want to be

[Zack]

Only time will tell we shall see how it all goes indeed

Dr Zackovich

We don't give a fuc.k about time. It's you guys who are dreaming that time will work out one day and all of a sudden bring in your long-held dream - recognition - which you don't even know what it'll contribute to you.

The mindless enclave can stay in this limbo as along as it takes, we're not missing anything They're the ones who are busy with the rest of Somalia and what's going on in Mogadishu. Somaliland is the least of our worries. Apart from fuc.kers who've nothing else to do other than discussing politics at cafes, we don't fuc.king care about Somaliland.

The fuc.kers were a heavy burden on the rest of Somalia, as they didn't produce anything, neither did they contribute anything to the country's economy. All they know is looking for ways of getting easy money, chewing khat, and talking tribalism all day long and every fuc.king day.

This is not the way we can build a viable Somali state , with out reconciliation there isnt going to be a viable State. You expect the so called leaders in Mogadishu to have any sort of a clue what they are doing. Or those in the North east or those in the North west every one is just pursuing their clan state interest. So is hassan he kicked out the mj Foreign Minister of Somalia and brought his daughter the acting Foreign Minister. You are all reactive to what you hear no pre emtive strike.

U need to get ur house in order. The status quo doesnt Benefit us at all especially the Somalis that are fighting the naked Affars the Gallas in Ethiopia Somali region. Do you think the naked afars would cause so much pain in sitte if there was a viable Somali state with strong institutions. What we want is one SNA xooga dalka Somalia not political militia fiefdom armies. And this is what you suggesting by having Puntland Somaliland galmudug hirshabelle armies and the SNA being just a Mogadishu local army. This is not the way forward dear lad. The Puntlanders are atleast a bit smart and working on how to Finalise the constitution. And how to move forward from this mess we have been in for the past 3 decades.

Dr Zackovich

[Wordpad]

Only time will tell we shall see how it all goes indeed

Dr Zackovich

We don't give a fuc.k about time. It's you guys who are dreaming that time will work out one day and all of a sudden bring in your long-held dream - recognition - which you don't even know what it'll contribute to you.

The mindless enclave can stay in this limbo as along as it takes, we're not missing anything They're the ones who are busy with the rest of Somalia and what's going on in Mogadishu. Somaliland is the least of our worries. Apart from fuc.kers who've nothing else to do other than discussing politics at cafes, we don't fuc.king care about Somaliland.

The fuc.kers were a heavy burden on the rest of Somalia, as they didn't produce anything, neither did they contribute anything to the country's economy. All they know is looking for ways of getting easy money, chewing khat, and talking tribalism all day long and every fuc.king day.

This is not the way we can build a viable Somali state , with out reconciliation there isnt going to be a viable State. You expect the so called leaders in Mogadishu to have any sort of a clue what they are doing. Or those in the North east or those in the North west every one is just pursuing their clan state interest. So is hassan he kicked out the mj Foreign Minister of Somalia and brought his daughter the acting Foreign Minister. You are all reactive to what you hear no pre emtive strike.

U need to get ur house in order. The status quo doesnt Benefit us at all especially the Somalis that are fighting the naked Affars the Gallas in Ethiopia Somali region. Do you think the naked afars would cause so much pain in sitte if there was a viable Somali state with strong institutions. What we want is one SNA xooga dalka Somalia not political militia fiefdom armies. And this is what you suggesting by having Puntland Somaliland galmudug hirshabelle armies and the SNA being just a Mogadishu local army. This is not the way forward dear lad. The Puntlanders are atleast a bit smart and working on how to Finalise the constitution. And how to move forward from this mess we have been in for the past 3 decades.

Dr Zackovich

Looks like you don't know much. Mogadishu is back. There is no such thing as Somaliland, just a small clan enclave within Somalia.

[Jikaar]

I think most Ethiopians don't understand the maritime business. This "we want sea" is not as easy at it sounds. Commercially Ethiopia have actually access to multiple ports. No one ever denied you to have commercial ports. not Eritrea , not djibouti , Somalia or even Kenya. There is nothing for free. Yes we can share the benefits but I won't allow you to have your own port in my land while I am starving. That's not how it works.

Somaliland is supporting Ethiopia to grow in any possible way without restrictions , and we expect to grow with you too . We don't expect to be violated , in case that happens we are able to ruin your Life too. Stop this " I want breathing space" none sense. Why only 20 KM you are free to use our entire ocean. As long as we are growing together. The only extra thing we are offering to you is to have naval power . When it comes to commerce we are just like djibouti and others..

Does Ethiopia needs naval power ? Yes. Ethiopia is the biggest country in the horn it's our super power , it's the best interest of the horn Ethiopia to have naval access. If Ethiopia doesn't grow. None of us will grow.

[Zack]

Only time will tell we shall see how it all goes indeed

Dr Zackovich

We don't give a fuc.k about time. It's you guys who are dreaming that time will work out one day and all of a sudden bring in your long-held dream - recognition - which you don't even know what it'll contribute to you.

The mindless enclave can stay in this limbo as along as it takes, we're not missing anything They're the ones who are busy with the rest of Somalia and what's going on in Mogadishu. Somaliland is the least of our worries. Apart from fuc.kers who've nothing else to do other than discussing politics at cafes, we don't fuc.king care about Somaliland.

The fuc.kers were a heavy burden on the rest of Somalia, as they didn't produce anything, neither did they contribute anything to the country's economy. All they know is looking for ways of getting easy money, chewing khat, and talking tribalism all day long and every fuc.king day.

This is not the way we can build a viable Somali state , with out reconciliation there isnt going to be a viable State. You expect the so called leaders in Mogadishu to have any sort of a clue what they are doing. Or those in the North east or those in the North west every one is just pursuing their clan state interest. So is hassan he kicked out the mj Foreign Minister of Somalia and brought his daughter the acting Foreign Minister. You are all reactive to what you hear no pre emtive strike.

U need to get ur house in order. The status quo doesnt Benefit us at all especially the Somalis that are fighting the naked Affars the Gallas in Ethiopia Somali region. Do you think the naked afars would cause so much pain in sitte if there was a viable Somali state with strong institutions. What we want is one SNA xooga dalka Somalia not political militia fiefdom armies. And this is what you suggesting by having Puntland Somaliland galmudug hirshabelle armies and the SNA being just a Mogadishu local army. This is not the way forward dear lad. The Puntlanders are atleast a bit smart and working on how to Finalise the constitution. And how to move forward from this mess we have been in for the past 3 decades.

Dr Zackovich

Looks like you don't know much. Mogadishu is back. There is no such thing as Somaliland, just a small clan enclave within Somalia.

This mindset is what made somalia backwards us vs them them vs us ,u need to grow out of that Mogadishu is the Somali capital it belongs to all Somalis not just one clan


Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

I think most Ethiopians don't understand the maritime business. This "we want sea" is not as easy at it sounds. Commercially Ethiopia have actually access to multiple ports. No one ever denied you to have commercial ports. not Eritrea , not djibouti , Somalia or even Kenya. There is nothing for free. Yes we can share the benefits but I won't allow you to have your own port in my land while I am starving. That's not how it works.

Somaliland is supporting Ethiopia to grow in any possible way without restrictions , and we expect to grow with you too . We don't expect to be violated , in case that happens we are able to ruin your Life too. Stop this " I want breathing space" none sense. Why only 20 KM you are free to use our entire ocean. As long as we are growing together. The only extra thing we are offering to you is to have naval power . When it comes to commerce we are just like djibouti and others..

Does Ethiopia needs naval power ? Yes. Ethiopia is the biggest country in the horn it's our super power , it's the best interest of the horn Ethiopia to have naval access. If Ethiopia doesn't grow. None of us will grow.

Ethiopians and or gallas can never be trusted when they sign treaty with you they never honer it so dont go for it brother just remember the eritrean ethiopian federation treaty, and how that went how they turned their guns against the eritreans and occupied it, the same fate awaits you if Somaliland goes through with this nonsense sort of a deal
Ethiopia isnt interested in growing together it wants to steal a port when they say we need a sea they mean we need a port of our own

Dr Zackovich

[Somaliman]

Only time will tell we shall see how it all goes indeed

Dr Zackovich

We don't give a fuc.k about time. It's you guys who are dreaming that time will work out one day and all of a sudden bring in your long-held dream - recognition - which you don't even know what it'll contribute to you.

The mindless enclave can stay in this limbo as along as it takes, we're not missing anything They're the ones who are busy with the rest of Somalia and what's going on in Mogadishu. Somaliland is the least of our worries. Apart from fuc.kers who've nothing else to do other than discussing politics at cafes, we don't fuc.king care about Somaliland.

The fuc.kers were a heavy burden on the rest of Somalia, as they didn't produce anything, neither did they contribute anything to the country's economy. All they know is looking for ways of getting easy money, chewing khat, and talking tribalism all day long and every fuc.king day.

This is not the way we can build a viable Somali state , with out reconciliation there isnt going to be a viable State. You expect the so called leaders in Mogadishu to have any sort of a clue what they are doing. Or those in the North east or those in the North west every one is just pursuing their clan state interest. So is hassan he kicked out the mj Foreign Minister of Somalia and brought his daughter the acting Foreign Minister. You are all reactive to what you hear no pre emtive strike.

U need to get ur house in order. The status quo doesnt Benefit us at all especially the Somalis that are fighting the naked Affars the Gallas in Ethiopia Somali region. Do you think the naked afars would cause so much pain in sitte if there was a viable Somali state with strong institutions. What we want is one SNA xooga dalka Somalia not political militia fiefdom armies. And this is what you suggesting by having Puntland Somaliland galmudug hirshabelle armies and the SNA being just a Mogadishu local army. This is not the way forward dear lad. The Puntlanders are atleast a bit smart and working on how to Finalise the constitution. And how to move forward from this mess we have been in for the past 3 decades.

Dr Zackovich

Looks like you don't know much. Mogadishu is back. There is no such thing as Somaliland, just a small clan enclave within Somalia.

This mindset is what made somalia backwards us vs them them vs us ,u need to grow out of that Mogadishu is the Somali capital it belongs to all Somalis not just one clan


Dr Zackovich

Mogadishu is the Somali capital it belongs to all Somalis

Dead wrong.

It only belongs to the citizens of Somalia, which includes the breakaway region in the north. and not all Somalis.
If you guys who are currently part of Djibouti, Ethiopia, or Kenya, want Mogadishu and the rest of Somalia to belong to you, join us. Currently you're not citizens of Somalia.

[Zack]

Not true Somalia didnt change anything about citizenship any Somali can obtain the Somali citizenship even if they dont live inside the 7 Somali borders. I am sure the current format of the constitution still says this very thing that every Somali can obtain citizenship even if he lives outside of Somalia. Thats why Mahdi guleed who is the deputy PM who hails from Ethiopia holds position in Somalia. Besides what we need to note is that Mogadishu is called not caasimada somaliya But it is called Caasimada Somaliyeed it has always enjoyed that tittle.



Dr Zackovich