A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Guys why you are not trading with Ethiopia , Is it because of tigray or something else ?
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
its a difficult question i try to answer this question though u asked this question to the eritreans and the eritreans can correct me i am wrong. First Eritrea independence was paid with the blood of its people. The Eritreans were done wrong by the world powers after the second world war. deniet statehood denied freedom , others decided for them. Eritrea prior to the Eritrean and Ethiopian war for badme. Eritrea was willing to trade its ports were open for ethiopia and they used it for basically free. in order to enhance trade and encourage trade between the two countries , Eritrea kept the bir currency as a valid currency of Eritrea it was only later that eritrea changed its currency after the relations with sour. Eritreans had no problem with tigray or any other region of Ethiopia but Tigray made things difficult and try to bite the hand fed it , For so long. Eritrea has been so friendly it never worked on the break up of Ethiopia. And i Dr Zackovich fault them for this very point and never understood why dont help with the break up of Ethiopia, because Ethiopia does us so much pain
But constantly Ethiopia tries to steal land which doesnt belong to ethiopia. This makes Eritreans to remain on guard 24 7 this derailed allot of good efforts. Ethiopia under woyane thought it could stagnate Eritrea because of the isolations UN US sacntions. But Isias out lived Meles And isiaias eventually also out lived Woyane 28 year old reign Tigray lost due to their own mismanagment making to many enemies. It was their ego that led to their downfall they only had to maintain good relations with the Eritrean they could have saved allot of money to keep the Amhara and the gallas from Power. But they thought they were invincible. But o boy they were wrong and the world has seen the worse Humanitarian catastrophe after yemen in the 21 century . There is no way they can recover from this any time soon indeed
further more these are one of the main factors why they cant trade or do good business becausee there is no trust there is no good will there is allot of envy from the Ethiopian side towards Eritrea.
Dr Zackovich
But constantly Ethiopia tries to steal land which doesnt belong to ethiopia. This makes Eritreans to remain on guard 24 7 this derailed allot of good efforts. Ethiopia under woyane thought it could stagnate Eritrea because of the isolations UN US sacntions. But Isias out lived Meles And isiaias eventually also out lived Woyane 28 year old reign Tigray lost due to their own mismanagment making to many enemies. It was their ego that led to their downfall they only had to maintain good relations with the Eritrean they could have saved allot of money to keep the Amhara and the gallas from Power. But they thought they were invincible. But o boy they were wrong and the world has seen the worse Humanitarian catastrophe after yemen in the 21 century . There is no way they can recover from this any time soon indeed
further more these are one of the main factors why they cant trade or do good business becausee there is no trust there is no good will there is allot of envy from the Ethiopian side towards Eritrea.
Dr Zackovich
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Because we Eritreans don't need or want 2 trade with bantu-galla ethiopia. We have everything that we need @ home and we only trade with countries that don't backstabb us and are honest and genuine. Now let me ask you one thing, why do you somalilanders kiss bantu-galla ethiopia arse? & why do you sit down with the enemy of your ppl Somalians? Don't you know bantu-galla ethiopia stole ogaden a Somalian land? How can you forget the innocent thousands the evil midget meles ogadenians he massacred to please his white masters? How do you sit down with these bantu-galla ethiopians knowing that tomorrow they will say that Somaliland is theirs? The only option for Somaliland is to work with their brothers the Somalians not bantu-galla ethiopia.
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Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
lairSadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:46Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
isaias himself banned and blockaded trade with ethiopia since 2018 he closed the afar border too (Assab-Bure)
Abiy in 2023 requested for port ownership this did not change the fact that isaias is against free trade with ethiopia
abiy - isaias relationship is the same as isaias - meles relationship it will fracture entirely
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Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Galla and amhara are the worst kind of enemies of Eritrea wasnt ur Galla leader threatening eritrea just two montsh ago
Didnt Amhara fought Eritrea fought for decades ur one and the same as the so called TPLF u keep talking about
Dr Zackovich
Didnt Amhara fought Eritrea fought for decades ur one and the same as the so called TPLF u keep talking about
Dr Zackovich
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Here is Sadacha arguement a supposed half hearted Olf supporter
no its not ethiopians its Abiy
no its not ethiopians its oromunna_PP
no its not ethiopians its Meles_TPLF
no its not ethiopians its Mengistu Hailemariam_Derg
no its not ethiopians its Haile_Selassie_Impereyo
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
TesfaNews wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 21:05Here is Sadacha arguement a supposed half hearted Olf supporter
no its not ethiopians its Abiy
no its not ethiopians its oromunna_PP
no its not ethiopians its Meles_TPLF
no its not ethiopians its Mengistu Hailemariam_Derg
no its not ethiopians its Haile_Selassie_Impereyo
priceless what an argument magnificent
Ethiopians are angels and do nothing wrong that is what he is claiming
we see Ethiopian he sees something different.
He lives in an utopia and not in Ethiopia
Dr Zackovich
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Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
TesfaNews wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:59lairSadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:46Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
isaias himself banned and blockaded trade with ethiopia since 2018 he closed the afar border too (Assab-Bure)
Abiy in 2023 requested for port ownership this did not change the fact that isaias is against free trade with ethiopia
abiy - isaias relationship is the same as isaias - meles relationship it will fracture entirely
tigrayan brother, what did I lie about? Isayas closed the border for a reason, or what? At least part of it, is due to the tplf.
that's when the attack on sebhat ephraim, the legend, happened.
https://awate.com/general-sebhat-efrem- ... condition/
tigrayan brother zack,
shabia and tplf created opdo, not us oromos. so now, the beast they created, is going against everything in the horn of africa.
ordinary oromo and amara have nothing to do with it, just look @ how Pres. Isayas was welcomed with open arms, when he went to oromia a few years ago; yet he did not dare go to your beloved tigray, the place that you didn't mention as being an enemy of his/enemy of eritrea; I wonder why? Haha, we/I know why!
The previous governments weren't Amara perse, they were a small group of elites, the ordinary Amara farmer, student, etc, had nothing to do with it.
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Amhara farmer the soldiers were amhara the king was amhara the minister was amhara the ambassador were amhara and u galla want to tell me the eritreans and somalis were not fighting amhara, u galla will always be slave of amharaa, u even unintentionally defend amhara because they are your masters
dr zackovich
dr zackovich
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Sadacha shabia spy
Eritrea closed its border for 4 years straight
Why is there no border opening which like the rest of the world has border security on cross points as such only those with passports and documents can pass?
That cannot be awnsered by blaming TPLF only. Isaias meant he banned economic cooperation with Ethiopians from Eritrea
Eritrea closed its border for 4 years straight
Why is there no border opening which like the rest of the world has border security on cross points as such only those with passports and documents can pass?
That cannot be awnsered by blaming TPLF only. Isaias meant he banned economic cooperation with Ethiopians from Eritrea
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 22:00TesfaNews wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:59lairSadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:46Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
isaias himself banned and blockaded trade with ethiopia since 2018 he closed the afar border too (Assab-Bure)
Abiy in 2023 requested for port ownership this did not change the fact that isaias is against free trade with ethiopia
abiy - isaias relationship is the same as isaias - meles relationship it will fracture entirely
tigrayan brother, what did I lie about? Isayas closed the border for a reason, or what? At least part of it, is due to the tplf.
that's when the attack on sebhat ephraim, the legend, happened.
https://awate.com/general-sebhat-efrem- ... condition/
tigrayan brother zack,
shabia and tplf created opdo, not us oromos. so now, the beast they created, is going against everything in the horn of africa.
ordinary oromo and amara have nothing to do with it, just look @ how Pres. Isayas was welcomed with open arms, when he went to oromia a few years ago; yet he did not dare go to your beloved tigray, the place that you didn't mention as being an enemy of his/enemy of eritrea; I wonder why? Haha, we/I know why!
The previous governments weren't Amara perse, they were a small group of elites, the ordinary Amara farmer, student, etc, had nothing to do with it.
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Tesfabis agamew
Sadachas has a sound explanation than you clueless TPLFiet, who hates Eritrea.
Yes, if we had a choice, we would have preferred to be a neighbor even with devil himself than you wicked creatures. Abiy is a typical Weyane who happens to be not agame. He was raised by you, learned every evil deed from you. There was no surprise that Abiy had comes out of his hiding and exposed himself who he really is.
Sadachas has a sound explanation than you clueless TPLFiet, who hates Eritrea.
Yes, if we had a choice, we would have preferred to be a neighbor even with devil himself than you wicked creatures. Abiy is a typical Weyane who happens to be not agame. He was raised by you, learned every evil deed from you. There was no surprise that Abiy had comes out of his hiding and exposed himself who he really is.
TesfaNews wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:59lairSadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:46Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
isaias himself banned and blockaded trade with ethiopia since 2018 he closed the afar border too (Assab-Bure)
Abiy in 2023 requested for port ownership this did not change the fact that isaias is against free trade with ethiopia
abiy - isaias relationship is the same as isaias - meles relationship it will fracture entirely
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Ouch!
Fair response to an imbecile woyane rat!
Fair response to an imbecile woyane rat!
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 22:00TesfaNews wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:59lairSadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:46Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
isaias himself banned and blockaded trade with ethiopia since 2018 he closed the afar border too (Assab-Bure)
Abiy in 2023 requested for port ownership this did not change the fact that isaias is against free trade with ethiopia
abiy - isaias relationship is the same as isaias - meles relationship it will fracture entirely
tigrayan brother, what did I lie about? Isayas closed the border for a reason, or what? At least part of it, is due to the tplf.
that's when the attack on sebhat ephraim, the legend, happened.
https://awate.com/general-sebhat-efrem- ... condition/
tigrayan brother zack,
shabia and tplf created opdo, not us oromos. so now, the beast they created, is going against everything in the horn of africa.
ordinary oromo and amara have nothing to do with it, just look @ how Pres. Isayas was welcomed with open arms, when he went to oromia a few years ago; yet he did not dare go to your beloved tigray, the place that you didn't mention as being an enemy of his/enemy of eritrea; I wonder why? Haha, we/I know why!
The previous governments weren't Amara perse, they were a small group of elites, the ordinary Amara farmer, student, etc, had nothing to do with it.
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Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
The army wasn't entirely Amara though. Even then, the army doesn't represent all Amara, or Oromo, they fight for the interests of their govt. In some rare cases, they fight for the nations interests that aren't just Amara or Oromo interests.Zack wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 22:15Amhara farmer the soldiers were amhara the king was amhara the minister was amhara the ambassador were amhara and u galla want to tell me the eritreans and somalis were not fighting amhara, u galla will always be slave of amharaa, u even unintentionally defend amhara because they are your masters
dr zackovich
Eritreans themselves know and say they weren't fighting Amaras. It was Amaras and other Ethiopians who were literally crying as your beloved tplf was targeting Eritreans in finfinne/Addis prior to the Badme war. I can go on and on.
Generalizing and blanket statements are for the simple minded my tplf cyber troll cadre friend zack and hagos wedi tigrayan.
Amara ain't my enemy. Somalis ain't my enemy. Even your beloved tigrayans aren't my enemies. The minority extremists, such as yourself may be enemies to us, but that doesn't mean entire nations are. I actually interact with amaras, somalis, etc, in real-life and the majority are decent people.
Tesfa tigrayan news, I listed some reasons, not ALL.
It's a complicated issue that isn't as simple as you make it out to be. As usual the tplf cyber troll Zack blames "gallas and Amaras," while leaving out his perfect tigrayans. Which is fair, of course he'd defend his beloved people. I get it.
Why is Pia against this "free trade," you speak of, then? According to you?
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Your question alone that you needed to ask such a question can bring out a lot of astonishment.
Anyway, there can only exist trade between two parties, if there are trust and a sense of duty for each other full of values and honor.
Even among Gangsters exist some kind of honor and integrity that they adhere to, but strangely enough such concepts do not exist in Ethiopian society today or even in the past for that matter.
Their word and agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. That is the reason why they don’t trust anyone because they don’t trust themselves. For safety reasons, staying away from them, keeping yourself well armed and being ready for any eventuality is the best option to maintain your own peace and security. That is the hard lesson we have learned from our experience.
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
For somaliland the "Bantu-galla" are not our problem , we don't even border with them . We are traders and we are only interested about trade and wealth. The Oromos produce a lot we need. I think the trade between us is over one billion per year. Their farmers depend on us . And we want to completely handle every thing They need from outside. This is win win.tarik wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 19:57Because we Eritreans don't need or want 2 trade with bantu-galla ethiopia. We have everything that we need @ home and we only trade with countries that don't backstabb us and are honest and genuine. Now let me ask you one thing, why do you somalilanders kiss bantu-galla ethiopia arse? & why do you sit down with the enemy of your ppl Somalians? Don't you know bantu-galla ethiopia stole ogaden a Somalian land? How can you forget the innocent thousands the evil midget meles ogadenians he massacred to please his white masters? How do you sit down with these bantu-galla ethiopians knowing that tomorrow they will say that Somaliland is theirs? The only option for Somaliland is to work with their brothers the Somalians not bantu-galla ethiopia.
I am telling you one more thing. Not all Somalis have the same interests. Just like tigray and Eritrea have no common interests. Even though you are the same peaple. But we are generally less hostile to each an other compare to these habeshas. We trade normally , the livelihood of our society is completely independent from our polical rivalry. The man I killed his brother , can trade with my own brother. It's a strange hate love relationship. The politics of the horn is really very interesting.
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
Thanks for your input, that makes sense. I think TRUST Is very important here . We too are suspicious of the undiplomatic words common from Abiy and his ministers, it really sounds like unpleasant. They always repeat we want Sea. But the reality is we are not giving them our sea. Just like they won't give us their farms.eritrea wrote: ↑21 Jan 2024, 01:32
Your question alone that you needed to ask such a question can bring out a lot of astonishment.
Anyway, there can only exist trade between two parties, if there are trust and a sense of duty for each other full of values and honor.
Even among Gangsters exist some kind of honor and integrity that they adhere to, but strangely enough such concepts do not exist in Ethiopian society today or even in the past for that matter.
Their word and agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. That is the reason why they don’t trust anyone because they don’t trust themselves. For safety reasons, staying away from them, keeping yourself well armed and being ready for any eventuality is the best option to maintain your own peace and security. That is the hard lesson we have learned from our experience.
What we are offering them is big space for their Navy , we don't care if they fight Mongolia in our sea . When it comes to commercial
ports, We can share. They bring investment, we own the land. In return they can bring what ever they want. That's how we can grow together. Deception and bad intentions is not healthy at all..
As a small nation We are only interested about trade and wealth. We are not in competition with 120 million people. We see them as a big market .
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
I assume you are Oromo. Perhaps you too are curious. How come these habeshas are not trading. I believe the problem is not the peaple but their leadership.Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 20:46Ignore the two tplf cyber trolls above, zack and tarik with his 10 other accounts; they're speaking nonsense as usual.
The fact is, the answer to this would be complicated. Part of it is, the fact that there's a hostile tplf, or the remnants of it, directly across the border in tigray. Perhaps if eritrea bordered oromia or amara only, along with afar of course; trade would be more viable.
There are other reasons of course, such as, certain countries, external forces if you will, prefer that these two african nations remain at odds.
Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
jikaar
Isayas chose closed society which means no trade. his execution of menqae group and yemin group during the struggle years necessitated absolute control. In an open society, he would face justice.
Fast forward - in 2001, he moved quickly, jailed journalists and shut down each and every private press, because he knew free exchange of ideas and information means society that demands answers.
He had maintained selfi within eplf, an organization within an organization, tasked with liquidation of free thinkers. Isayas kept this going even today. Trade like press opens societies and that is scary for Isayas because he knows what he has done.
When the boarder was briefly opened few years ago, Isayas saw the writing on the wall. People started asking why no development on their side of the boarder.
menqae[/i] and yemin haunt him and haunts an entire nation as youth in its entirety is channeled from school to military camp where they are programmed what and how to think and say. Just review the posts of his followers here to see proof of loss of freedom to think for self and incessantly push regime talking points.
I have big hope the new youth movement will bring an end to this nonsense that’s been our reality. Trade requires free thinking and movement.
Isayas chose closed society which means no trade. his execution of menqae group and yemin group during the struggle years necessitated absolute control. In an open society, he would face justice.
Fast forward - in 2001, he moved quickly, jailed journalists and shut down each and every private press, because he knew free exchange of ideas and information means society that demands answers.
He had maintained selfi within eplf, an organization within an organization, tasked with liquidation of free thinkers. Isayas kept this going even today. Trade like press opens societies and that is scary for Isayas because he knows what he has done.
When the boarder was briefly opened few years ago, Isayas saw the writing on the wall. People started asking why no development on their side of the boarder.
menqae[/i] and yemin haunt him and haunts an entire nation as youth in its entirety is channeled from school to military camp where they are programmed what and how to think and say. Just review the posts of his followers here to see proof of loss of freedom to think for self and incessantly push regime talking points.
I have big hope the new youth movement will bring an end to this nonsense that’s been our reality. Trade requires free thinking and movement.
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Re: A question from Somalilander to the Eritreans
This kid high on khat is talking out of his ar.se!
There's no trade whatsoever between the mindless enclave, aka Somaliland, and Ethiopia.
FYI, trade menas "the action of buying and selling goods and services."
Somaliland doesn't export anything whatsoever anywhere in the world, including Ethiopia. its export volume is ZERO.
No wonder. How would you expect people that are chewing khat and talking clannism all day long and every fuc.king day to produce and export anything. No way.!
It's only Somaliland that's importing from Ethiopia, and its imports are mainly khat and humble amount of fruits and vegetables from the fuc.king Oromia, and livestock from the Somali kilil in Ethiopia.
Somaliland doesn't spend billions on imports from Ethiopia, as this kid certainly high on khat is uttering. They spend hundreds of millions solely on importing khat.
Therefore, since it's purely a one way business, which is Ethiopia exporting to Somaliland and Somaliland exporting ZERO to Ethiopia, there's no trade between the breakaway region of Somalia and Ethiopia.
There's no trade whatsoever between the mindless enclave, aka Somaliland, and Ethiopia.
FYI, trade menas "the action of buying and selling goods and services."
Somaliland doesn't export anything whatsoever anywhere in the world, including Ethiopia. its export volume is ZERO.
No wonder. How would you expect people that are chewing khat and talking clannism all day long and every fuc.king day to produce and export anything. No way.!
It's only Somaliland that's importing from Ethiopia, and its imports are mainly khat and humble amount of fruits and vegetables from the fuc.king Oromia, and livestock from the Somali kilil in Ethiopia.
Somaliland doesn't spend billions on imports from Ethiopia, as this kid certainly high on khat is uttering. They spend hundreds of millions solely on importing khat.
Therefore, since it's purely a one way business, which is Ethiopia exporting to Somaliland and Somaliland exporting ZERO to Ethiopia, there's no trade between the breakaway region of Somalia and Ethiopia.