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My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 05 Jan 2024, 12:48

In a recent news the governments of Ethiopia and Somaliland had signed an MOU that avails Ethiopia a sea access and Somaliland will get get a recognition from Ethiopia and a share in the Ethiopian Airlines. The government of Somalia has expressed it anger about the deal and the MOU has led to unnecessary tension between the two countries. To me the MOU is just that, an MOU, not a binding agreement. The AU has called for calm which I second its call. This is my personal independent opinion.

I second the AU chairperson’s call for calm. But this MOU between Ethiopia and Somaliland is not the first port deal. The port service giant DP World of Dubai owns the Berbera facility since 2016 and has earmarked an investment estimated in hundreds of millions of US dollars. Since then Ethiopia has made a substantial investment in that deal and owns more than 50% of DP World Berbera. We did not hear about any tension between Somalia and UAE. This is a case of double standard. Somalia should see this an opportunity to turn its dusty and rusting away seashores into booming ports. That will not happen with leasing ports to competing military powers and that comes with risks if the military powers decide to duke it out. But with possible peace and stability Ethiopia has all the ingredient to be an economy behemoth in the region. This should be seen and taken as a wake-up call for Somalia. ‘Greater’ this or that never worked and will never materialize.

I suggest Somalia take this as an opportunity and make its vast area of seashore available for port facility investors that includes Ethiopia. The talks that have begun between Somalia and Somaliland should not be interrupted because of this MOU. Somaliland is now what it is, efficiently, peacefully and democratically run entity. It has become the envy of the entire Horn of Africa. My personal preference is somehow it stays with Somalia and its current arrangement of governance in tact. If Somalia turns into a peaceful, stable and democratic nation, the need to stay separated would be a moot point, redundant. But for now, Somaliland is a diplomatic nightmare, something you can’t live with or without it. This is all the result of a serious political error that those decision making leaders in the then British Somaliland committed in 1960.

Egypt and its fiefdom The Arab League have started beating the drums of war as expected. Somalia should take this with a good pinch of salt. Somalis are not Arabs to start with. It should sit down with its black folk neighbors and sort things out with Ethiopia first and foremost respecting the charters of both AU and UN. When someone keeps complaining his country’s sovereignty is being violated should not be the one violating other’s sovereignty.

I also wonder how the people and government of Djibouti have reacted to this MOU. I don’t expect the Ethiopian government officials just jumped on this deal without the knowledge of the leaders of Djibouti. How about the nearby powers of Saudi Arabia and UAE? UAE already has a huge stake in the port of Berbera. This is becoming more and more interesting. Please also note that both Saudi Arabia and UAE have invested in projects worth billions of US dollars in Ethiopia. I am not ready to believe that the officials in Addis/Finfine made this decision without having a sit down with officials in Djibouti, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi. I am not also ready to conclude that every official in Addis/Finfine is a mad man!

I may also add my long held admiration to my Djiboutian brothers and sisters for the wise political decision they made in 1977. All glory to them!!!

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 05 Jan 2024, 20:45

Now, those of you gold certified bigots! I see you beating the drums of war to see the fraternal peoples of Somalia and Ethiopia descend into bloody conflict. Some of you hapless meatheads are claiming this MOU is part of a scheme by my Oromos the appropriate the seashores by force. You are using your new toy 'Oromummaa' as pejorative to drive your idiotic point. You must be ashamed of yourselves!!! Your problem is that our Somali brothers and sisters have matured political faster than you can ever be. They can single out a cross-eyed bee among a swarm. The people of Ethiopia will never do harms to their noble neighbors. All they need is an opening to breathe. Our Somali brothers and sisters have learned a lesson or two what 'Greater' this that brought upon them. They have realized that they were taken for a crushing ride by connivers in the 1960's thru 1980's which resulted in utter destruction of their blessed country. I had been to Mogadishu with my adopted uncle from Aden on the business trip in the early 1960's. Mogadishu was like a glittering ornament. When I see photos of every building riddled with heavy gun bullets in the 1990's, it just bled my heart. That an indelible lesson firmly in placed in the minds of the current generation. The sovereignty of their country should be respected and I have the utmost confidence that issues with their brothers and sisters in Somaliland will be amicably addressed soon if not later. Let's wish them success in that blessed effort.
But you bigots! I wish you were not even born!!!!

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Jikaar » 05 Jan 2024, 21:21

Somaliland borders are based on the AU charter principles. It's not curved from somalia. Its an independent state with it's own international borders left by the colonials . By recognising Somaliland Ethiopia is not breaking any law. Do you know how Many countries Russia recognises but the rest of the world dont. Nothing is gonna happen. Ethiopia should be bold to recognise somaliland and convince it's Friends to the do the same.

Ethiopia can't trust Somalia with it's nationalistic ambitions. But it can trust somaliland in the long term. Because we are not in competition with Ethiopia when it comes to military mighty. All we are interested is development. Somaliland is just 4 million or less. We don't want war with anyone , and don't want any one to intervene our internal system. We are just open for business . Ethiopia can bring thousands of their warships if they want , as long as they are not threat to us there is no reason we should be concerned.

A nationalistic united Somalia , will always be a problem for both Ethiopia and kenya. We don't want any more problems. The world is changing and growing faster and we horn Africans are still poor and underdeveloped. Ethiopia needs it's own navy because it has an external potential enemies far away from the Horn. It needs to protect it's commercial ships. We understand this. Somalia don't. They are just fear mongering .

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Somaliman » 05 Jan 2024, 22:00

ittuabafarda wrote:
05 Jan 2024, 12:48
In a recent news the governments of Ethiopia and Somaliland had signed an MOU that avails Ethiopia a sea access and Somaliland will get get a recognition from Ethiopia and a share in the Ethiopian Airlines. The government of Somalia has expressed it anger about the deal and the MOU has led to unnecessary tension between the two countries. To me the MOU is just that, an MOU, not a binding agreement. The AU has called for calm which I second its call. This is my personal independent opinion.

I second the AU chairperson’s call for calm. But this MOU between Ethiopia and Somaliland is not the first port deal. The port service giant DP World of Dubai owns the Berbera facility since 2016 and has earmarked an investment estimated in hundreds of millions of US dollars. Since then Ethiopia has made a substantial investment in that deal and owns more than 50% of DP World Berbera. We did not hear about any tension between Somalia and UAE. This is a case of double standard. Somalia should see this an opportunity to turn its dusty and rusting away seashores into booming ports. That will not happen with leasing ports to competing military powers and that comes with risks if the military powers decide to duke it out. But with possible peace and stability Ethiopia has all the ingredient to be an economy behemoth in the region. This should be seen and taken as a wake-up call for Somalia. ‘Greater’ this or that never worked and will never materialize.

I suggest Somalia take this as an opportunity and make its vast area of seashore available for port facility investors that includes Ethiopia. The talks that have begun between Somalia and Somaliland should not be interrupted because of this MOU. Somaliland is now what it is, efficiently, peacefully and democratically run entity. It has become the envy of the entire Horn of Africa. My personal preference is somehow it stays with Somalia and its current arrangement of governance in tact. If Somalia turns into a peaceful, stable and democratic nation, the need to stay separated would be a moot point, redundant. But for now, Somaliland is a diplomatic nightmare, something you can’t live with or without it. This is all the result of a serious political error that those decision making leaders in the then British Somaliland committed in 1960.

Egypt and its fiefdom The Arab League have started beating the drums of war as expected. Somalia should take this with a good pinch of salt. Somalis are not Arabs to start with. It should sit down with its black folk neighbors and sort things out with Ethiopia first and foremost respecting the charters of both AU and UN. When someone keeps complaining his country’s sovereignty is being violated should not be the one violating other’s sovereignty.

I also wonder how the people and government of Djibouti have reacted to this MOU. I don’t expect the Ethiopian government officials just jumped on this deal without the knowledge of the leaders of Djibouti. How about the nearby powers of Saudi Arabia and UAE? UAE already has a huge stake in the port of Berbera. This is becoming more and more interesting. Please also note that both Saudi Arabia and UAE have invested in projects worth billions of US dollars in Ethiopia. I am not ready to believe that the officials in Addis/Finfine made this decision without having a sit down with officials in Djibouti, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi. I am not also ready to conclude that every official in Addis/Finfine is a mad man!

I may also add my long held admiration to my Djiboutian brothers and sisters for the wise political decision they made in 1977. All glory to them!!!





I suggest Somalia take this as an opportunity and make its vast area of seashore available for port facility investors that includes Ethiopia.


We prefer to make it available to the devil in person rather than Ethiopia.

FYI, DP World is involved in investing in Berbera port, it's not owning or leasing a Somali coastal land. Ethiopia was offered similar opportunities of investing in this port, but it had failed to fulfill its financial obligations - as it's not simply looking for a port as your infamous clown dishonestly parrots around.

On the other hand, Ethiopia is not looking for a seaport access, as I've aforementioned it, it was offered 19% shares in Berbera port, has unlimited seaport access in Djibouti, Eritrea has never refused Ethiopia to use its ports, and Kenya has also been willing to allow Ethiopia to use its ports.

But what Ethiopia is looking for is owning a coastal land of another country, which is literally owning a portion of someone else's country.

So, please stop comparing apples to oranges, or beef to chicken.

Your expansionist poverty-ridden Ethiopia is a persona non grata in the region. And not only is it in bad terms with every single of its neighbours, but also it's bleeding out internally and it's just a matter of time before you see it disintegrating into God knows how many countries/states.

Ethiopia has always been surviving either in prostituting to the West or misappropriating what belongs to other people and/or countries.

It's not fuc.king Ethiopians or such a childish clown that should lecture others on what's good for them. Stick with your shi.thole and try to make use of it and leave others to decide what's good or bad for them.

I wish we Eritreans and Somalis could fu.ck out of the Horn of Africa and relocate far away from Ethiopia.

Trust me, I wouldn't raise a fuc.king eyebrow if Ethiopia and its people were all burning to the ground, turning into ashes, and disappearing forever. I would rather be shouting "Thank heavens" for the whole day and even the following day.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Zack » 05 Jan 2024, 22:03

Somaliman wrote:
05 Jan 2024, 22:00
ittuabafarda wrote:
05 Jan 2024, 12:48
In a recent news the governments of Ethiopia and Somaliland had signed an MOU that avails Ethiopia a sea access and Somaliland will get get a recognition from Ethiopia and a share in the Ethiopian Airlines. The government of Somalia has expressed it anger about the deal and the MOU has led to unnecessary tension between the two countries. To me the MOU is just that, an MOU, not a binding agreement. The AU has called for calm which I second its call. This is my personal independent opinion.

I second the AU chairperson’s call for calm. But this MOU between Ethiopia and Somaliland is not the first port deal. The port service giant DP World of Dubai owns the Berbera facility since 2016 and has earmarked an investment estimated in hundreds of millions of US dollars. Since then Ethiopia has made a substantial investment in that deal and owns more than 50% of DP World Berbera. We did not hear about any tension between Somalia and UAE. This is a case of double standard. Somalia should see this an opportunity to turn its dusty and rusting away seashores into booming ports. That will not happen with leasing ports to competing military powers and that comes with risks if the military powers decide to duke it out. But with possible peace and stability Ethiopia has all the ingredient to be an economy behemoth in the region. This should be seen and taken as a wake-up call for Somalia. ‘Greater’ this or that never worked and will never materialize.

I suggest Somalia take this as an opportunity and make its vast area of seashore available for port facility investors that includes Ethiopia. The talks that have begun between Somalia and Somaliland should not be interrupted because of this MOU. Somaliland is now what it is, efficiently, peacefully and democratically run entity. It has become the envy of the entire Horn of Africa. My personal preference is somehow it stays with Somalia and its current arrangement of governance in tact. If Somalia turns into a peaceful, stable and democratic nation, the need to stay separated would be a moot point, redundant. But for now, Somaliland is a diplomatic nightmare, something you can’t live with or without it. This is all the result of a serious political error that those decision making leaders in the then British Somaliland committed in 1960.

Egypt and its fiefdom The Arab League have started beating the drums of war as expected. Somalia should take this with a good pinch of salt. Somalis are not Arabs to start with. It should sit down with its black folk neighbors and sort things out with Ethiopia first and foremost respecting the charters of both AU and UN. When someone keeps complaining his country’s sovereignty is being violated should not be the one violating other’s sovereignty.

I also wonder how the people and government of Djibouti have reacted to this MOU. I don’t expect the Ethiopian government officials just jumped on this deal without the knowledge of the leaders of Djibouti. How about the nearby powers of Saudi Arabia and UAE? UAE already has a huge stake in the port of Berbera. This is becoming more and more interesting. Please also note that both Saudi Arabia and UAE have invested in projects worth billions of US dollars in Ethiopia. I am not ready to believe that the officials in Addis/Finfine made this decision without having a sit down with officials in Djibouti, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi. I am not also ready to conclude that every official in Addis/Finfine is a mad man!

I may also add my long held admiration to my Djiboutian brothers and sisters for the wise political decision they made in 1977. All glory to them!!!





I suggest Somalia take this as an opportunity and make its vast area of seashore available for port facility investors that includes Ethiopia.


We prefer to make it available to the devil in person rather than Ethiopia.

FYI, DP World is involved in investing in Berbera port, it's not owning or leasing a Somali coastal land. Ethiopia was offered similar opportunities of investing in this port, but it had failed to fulfill its financial obligations - as it's not simply looking for a port as your infamous clown dishonestly parrots around.

On the other hand, Ethiopia is not looking for a seaport access, as I've aforementioned it, it was offered 19% shares in Berbera port, has unlimited seaport access in Djibouti, Eritrea has never refused Ethiopia to use its ports, and Kenya has also been willing to allow Ethiopia to use its ports.

But what Ethiopia is looking for is owning a coastal land of another country, which is literally owning a portion of someone else's country.

So, please stop comparing apples to oranges, or beef to chicken.

Your expansionist poverty-ridden Ethiopia is a persona non grata in the region. And not only is it in bad terms with every single of its neighbours, but also it's bleeding out internally and it's just a matter of time before you see it disintegrating into God knows how many countries/states.

Ethiopia has always been surviving either in prostituting to the West or misappropriating what belongs to other people and/or countries.

It's not fuc.king Ethiopians or such a childish clown that should lecture others on what's good for them. Stick with your shi.thole and try to make use of it and leave others to decide what's good or bad for them.

I wish we Eritreans and Somalis could fu.ck out of the Horn of Africa and relocate far away from Ethiopia.

Trust me, I wouldn't raise a fuc.king eyebrow if Ethiopia and its people were all burning to the ground, turning into ashes, and disappearing forever. I would rather be shouting "Thank heavens" for the whole day and even the following day.

Well said excellent and well written

Dr Zackovich

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by sesame » 05 Jan 2024, 22:14

Back-stabbing a neighbor and then asking for wisdom to justify the crime is adding insult to injury. The whole world is telling the immature Abiy to respect Somalia's sovereignty. But Abiy is a dirty back-stabber who has no understanding of what is right and wrong. He cannot continue to back-stab simply to recover from his disastrous blunders. The sooner Ethiopians get rid of this incompetent thug, the better they have the chance of recovering from his blunders. Otherwise, those intelligent enough to read and understand what I am writing should realize that Abiy is neither going to get them a piece of the sea or save his [deleted] from the catastrophe of his own making. He is a doomed leader who is counting his days!

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Somaliman » 05 Jan 2024, 22:46

sesame wrote:
05 Jan 2024, 22:14
Back-stabbing a neighbor and then asking for wisdom to justify the crime is adding insult to injury. The whole world is telling the immature Abiy to respect Somalia's sovereignty. But Abiy is a dirty back-stabber who has no understanding of what is right and wrong. He cannot continue to back-stab simply to recover from his disastrous blunders. The sooner Ethiopians get rid of this incompetent thug, the better they have the chance of recovering from his blunders. Otherwise, those intelligent enough to read and understand what I am writing should realize that Abiy is neither going to get them a piece of the sea or save his [deleted] from the catastrophe of his own making. He is a doomed leader who is counting his days!




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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 06 Jan 2024, 01:43

I never meant to rattle the cage of bigots with my independent opinion. Some of them are not only bigots but eyal-al-souqs, those who grew up unattended at bazaars. By all indications, they don't seem to be Somalis. The Somalis I knew my whole life are collected in their expression and cultivated in their utterances. These are what my Amhara friends call 'balega', uncultured, rude. But for these random talking individuals, they think talking profanity is a sign of being civilized. They walk around with a 21st century body but with a 13th century mind. Hopelessly lost!!!
But to their dismay, I am not still distracted from the point I set out to make!!!

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 06 Jan 2024, 16:08

This is becoming more and more interesting. All along since this news of MOU came out, my hunch has been that countries like Djibouti and the Gulf Nations might have known about or at got the wind of it before and during the talks began between Ethiopia and Somaliland. I don’t think even Somalia was all in the dark during the whole time. Even with out the absence of its nascent intelligence network in Somaliland, in a clan system there is called clan equal status. That includes my own Itu clan. Traditionally you have to share everything including the latest rumors and other local news with a member of your clan. So no matter how hard the two parties tried to conceal the process and status of the talks, someone will be talking to a member of his clan and from there it would be like a chain reaction. I hope officials in all three cities of Hargeisa, Addis/Finfine and Mogadishu will keep their senses and use this occasion as an opportunity to come together and sort things out. Unless the plan is to disintegrate and wipe Ethiopia off the face and map of the earth, Ethiopia’s desire to have access to sea is a legitimate one.

I had said this a while ago. Some quarters of policy makers may think Ethiopia’s population has ballooned so enormous and will continue to even more enormous that it has reached a point where it can not carry its own weight and therefore it must be brought down to a manageable size. That is what these bigots among us here in The Diaspora and there in the old country have their lots in, their daydream and fantasy of carving out a territory to call it their own republic/fiefdom. That ain’t gonna happen
Let’s monger peace and nothing but peace.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Somaliman » 06 Jan 2024, 17:18

ittuabafarda wrote:
06 Jan 2024, 01:43
I never meant to rattle the cage of bigots with my independent opinion. Some of them are not only bigots but eyal-al-souqs, those who grew up unattended at bazaars. By all indications, they don't seem to be Somalis. The Somalis I knew my whole life are collected in their expression and cultivated in their utterances. These are what my Amhara friends call 'balega', uncultured, rude. But for these random talking individuals, they think talking profanity is a sign of being civilized. They walk around with a 21st century body but with a 13th century mind. Hopelessly lost!!!
But to their dismay, I am not still distracted from the point I set out to make!!!




Show Wisdom!
My as.s, yes.

In the not-so-distant past, Ethiopia embarked upon an all-out effort to inflict as much pain as possible upon the Somali people and tear down their country, including balkanising their country by fuelling clan conflicts, persuading the West that federalism was the answer to Somalia, even though Somalia is one the least suitable countries for a federal system, to further dismantle the fabric of the Somali people, financing and arming Al Shabab, while milking the West in the name of fighting terrorism next door, invading their country taking advantage of the weakness of their country's institutions, and embarking on an indiscriminate wholesale slaughtering of their civilian population, selling to the West that Somalis were tribalist savages who only knew fighting, playing the ultimate trustworthy consultant on Somalia and its people.

Where were you when your fuc.king evil and immoral Ethiopia, which remains a synonym with famine in the minds of people across the globe, was deliberately inflicting such outrageous atrocities, death & destruction, and demonisation upon the Somali people, exploiting and taking advantage of the fact that they were going through a rough time?

Where were you to ask her to show wisdom?

Likewise, as we all know, your fuc.king morally bankrupt Ethiopia that has perfected the art of kissing the West's ar.se, equally embarked on and mounted an all-out smear campaign against Eritrea and its heroic and outstanding leader, selling to the West and persuading the US in particular that Eritrea was aiding Al Shabab and was supplying it with arms, claiming unfoundedly that planes loaded with arms from Eritrea kept landing periodically at Al Shabab controlled airfields, even though Ethiopia was the one and only evil-minded dirty fox that has been arming Al Shabab, leading all these false and flawed accusations to Eritrea being unfairly sanctioned, as it was accused of supporting terrorist groups and undermining peace and reconciliation in Somalia, and this caused foreign investment in Eritrea to plummet, to start with, and the rest is by no means history, as Eritrea is suffering from the drastic consequences of these sanctions to this very fuc.king day.

Where were you to ask your fuc.king abominable Ethiopia to show wisdom?

You fuc.king pop up here and dare to tell us to show wisdom, as your malicious Ethiopia is once more embarking on an unlawful land grabbing in Somalia with a complete disregard of the legal owners, which has attracted a worldwide rejection and which is doomed to fail.

Don't fuc.king ask us to show any bloody wisdom to add salt to our injuries.

And most of all, don't fuc.king try to tell us that those acts of barbarity, brutality, savagery, and wickedness were committed by the fuc.king TPLF. For your information, I've never seen a single fuc.king Ethiopian protesting against those despicable acts, not even with a pen.

And guess what - I haven't said anything with regard to wars.

Since this fuc.king clown has been put in Menelik Palace, fuc.king Gallas seem to be exalted, liberated, inclusive, and even in love with this crowded cursedland called Ethiopia, to the extent that they're playing more oppressive than their former oppressors! Nothing is worse than an emancipated oppressed playing oppressor.


By the way, who fuc'king cares about what your Amhara friends or any other fuc.king Ethiopian call other people!

Ethiopia is a curse in person, and I hope one day an unprecedented destructive and cataclysmic phenomenon will wipe its dirty ar.se off the face of the earth. Amen.
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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 06 Jan 2024, 17:20

If this MOU was signed between Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia or even Kenya, it wouldn’t have been so controversial for so many. The problem has its roots way back in 1960 when the decision making individuals in British Somaliland chose not to be an independent nation. That decision came to bite them 30 years later that cost them almost a million lives. After horrific deaths and destruction they have gone their separate ways since 1991 and shown the rest of the world that Africa can have a nation with peace, stability and fledgling democratic governance. But recognition as an independent nation has been hard to come by for them due to the current binding charters of the AU and The UN. The current regime in Asmara will never give them recognition. Djibouti and other nearby countries are not ready to do so either. Even South Sudan will not budge on this one. Referendum? That could be the ultimate solution. But who will endorse that for them? Everyone is afraid that such move will open a floodgate of calls for referendums from Bosaso to Dakar, Senegal. I can see how it has become a nightmare for policy makers every where. The 2nd chance they missed was after they formed a separate governance in 1991. They did not push their demand for a referendum hard enough like the Eritreans did at that time. The current leaders in Asmara got their way but those in Hargeisa did not, even though they share identical history in the 19th and 20th centuries. So what will this MOU bring for the people of Somaliland? You guess is as good as mine.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Somaliman » 06 Jan 2024, 19:29

ittuabafarda wrote:
06 Jan 2024, 17:20
If this MOU was signed between Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia or even Kenya, it wouldn’t have been so controversial for so many. The problem has its roots way back in 1960 when the decision making individuals in British Somaliland chose not to be an independent nation. That decision came to bite them 30 years later that cost them almost a million lives. After horrific deaths and destruction they have gone their separate ways since 1991 and shown the rest of the world that Africa can have a nation with peace, stability and fledgling democratic governance. But recognition as an independent nation has been hard to come by for them due to the current binding charters of the AU and The UN. The current regime in Asmara will never give them recognition. Djibouti and other nearby countries are not ready to do so either. Even South Sudan will not budge on this one. Referendum? That could be the ultimate solution. But who will endorse that for them? Everyone is afraid that such move will open a floodgate of calls for referendums from Bosaso to Dakar, Senegal. I can see how it has become a nightmare for policy makers every where. The 2nd chance they missed was after they formed a separate governance in 1991. They did not push their demand for a referendum hard enough like the Eritreans did at that time. The current leaders in Asmara got their way but those in Hargeisa did not, even though they share identical history in the 19th and 20th centuries. So what will this MOU bring for the people of Somaliland? You guess is as good as mine.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 06 Jan 2024, 22:49

I understand the push back by the authorities in Mogadishu since the MOU was announced last week. They have a case to do that. But I see a double standard here. Where was the outrage when UAE's DP World secured the ownership of operations at Berbera port? Now some of you may jump on me for asking the question and try to differentiate one from the other. Well, when DP World secured the facility Somaliland was a separate state and calling itself an independent republic. This is a run-of-the-mill double standard by the authorities in Mogadishu. It that because UAE and Somalia are both ‘Arabs’? Let me remind you this millennia old fact. To those ‘Aryans’ wannabes in the Arabian Peninsula, everyone across the Bab-el-Mandeb is an ‘abd’, a [ deleted ]!!! Somaliland is Somaliland for whatever it is and no one can live with or without it. When the people of Somaliland say ‘We are citizens of an independent nation’ they mean it. It won’t be a cakewalk for anyone trying to have them renounce it. Authorities in Mogadishu have other similar thorny issues in their current boundaries besides Somaliland. Don’t forget Puntland and others just south of that with vast seashores. It is like someone telling next door ‘Pass the Dutchie, bro!’ Time for them authorities to wake up on the right hand side.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 07 Jan 2024, 00:46

Dear Editors,

I profusely thank you for giving me and many other concerned individuals with roots in the Horn of Africa the opportunity to post our honest opinions in regards to that region. I am sure from countless opinions points have been well taken by those who work tirelessly to create an environment built upon the eternal golden rule of brotherhood/sisterhood. Many of the readers have aired their differences in the well mannered values we are known for. But some of them have been so rude it is hard to believe they are the same products of the same region we are all from. Such abhorrent behavior will never further the accord for those beleaguered but upright people we left behind. These are same kind eyal-al-souqs who grew up unattended at bazaars and brothels in the Middle East. You may need to send a strong message to these ill-bred individuals to whom using profane languages as their romance of the day. You name any ethnic group in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia. We don't use profanity on public forums let alone hurling such terms on people they don't even know. You need to weed out such mud throwers from your esteemed forum and that has nothing to do with depriving freedom of expression. Again thank you very much for availing this forum so we products of The Horn would exchange productive ideas. At the end of the day we are all brothers and sisters with much stake in our hands.
Blessings to you and your family.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 07 Jan 2024, 23:46

All this hoopla and silly rage will subside and very few people will remember how it seems intense right now. That is the norm for The HOA. If all the rage in the past had telling consequences Ethiopia should have been all gone by now; Djibouti would have all gone a week after it gained its independence; Eritrea, oh my God, it should have been dead and gone two weeks after it was recognized by the UN and AU. But one thing could have happened if one of the top leaders of the Ethiopian government was born to a mother from the Isaaq clan. Eritrea had Meles on his mother side and the entire went flawless. If there was another top honcho in the then EPRDF born to an Isaaq mother Somaliland could have been a new independent nation to be recognized by The UN and AU right after Eritrea. They just missed the boat just by five minutes. If that was the case we wouldn't be deafened by this raucous and fake Harimaadee Hana Haban or Hobalo Hoyale from loser reincarnated af-weynes.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by Fiyameta » 08 Jan 2024, 00:12

ittuabafarda wrote:
05 Jan 2024, 12:48
The port service giant DP World of Dubai owns the Berbera facility since 2016 and has earmarked an investment estimated in hundreds of millions of US dollars. Since then Ethiopia has made a substantial investment in that deal and owns more than 50% of DP World Berbera. We did not hear about any tension between Somalia and UAE. This is a case of double standard. Somalia should see this an opportunity to turn its dusty and rusting away seashores into booming ports. That will not happen with leasing ports to competing military powers and that comes with risks if the military powers decide to duke it out. But with possible peace and stability Ethiopia has all the ingredient to be an economy behemoth in the region. This should be seen and taken as a wake-up call for Somalia. ‘Greater’ this or that never worked and will never materialize.
Correction:
First of all, Ethiopia agreed to acquire 19% stake in the Berbera port, but the deal ended when Ethiopia failed to come up with the money. Djibouti is currently hosting 8 military bases on its territories in addition to providing port services to Ethiopia, but the country still remains dusty and rusty despite the billions of dollars its port generates, which, by the way, is operated by China.

Now the question becomes, if the $1 billion dollars a year Ethiopia pays to use the dusty and rusty Djibouti's port services has not made Djibouti the "Dubai of Africa," what makes you think that Ethiopia's use of the Berbera port can make Somalilanders instant billionaires? :P :P

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by eritrea » 08 Jan 2024, 00:18

Fiyameta wrote:
08 Jan 2024, 00:12
Correction:

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Now the question becomes, if the $1 billion dollars a year Ethiopia pays to use the dusty and rusty Djibouti's port services has not made Djibouti the "Dubai of Africa," what makes you think that Ethiopia's use of the Berbera port can make Somalilanders instant billionaires? :P :P
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .......That is the million dollar worth question indeed..!

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by AbyssiniaLady » 08 Jan 2024, 00:57

Troll


Try to focus on your miserable dilapidated Asmara and alcoholic dictator, Eritrea is a country where time has stood still since 1930 and it is the world's top refugee-exporting country, Djibouti is doing great.
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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 08 Jan 2024, 01:53

Fiyameta wrote:
08 Jan 2024, 00:12
ittuabafarda wrote:
05 Jan 2024, 12:48
The port service giant DP World of Dubai owns the Berbera facility since 2016 and has earmarked an investment estimated in hundreds of millions of US dollars. Since then Ethiopia has made a substantial investment in that deal and owns more than 50% of DP World Berbera. We did not hear about any tension between Somalia and UAE. This is a case of double standard. Somalia should see this an opportunity to turn its dusty and rusting away seashores into booming ports. That will not happen with leasing ports to competing military powers and that comes with risks if the military powers decide to duke it out. But with possible peace and stability Ethiopia has all the ingredient to be an economy behemoth in the region. This should be seen and taken as a wake-up call for Somalia. ‘Greater’ this or that never worked and will never materialize.
Correction:
First of all, Ethiopia agreed to acquire 19% stake in the Berbera port, but the deal ended when Ethiopia failed to come up with the money. Djibouti is currently hosting 8 military bases on its territories in addition to providing port services to Ethiopia, but the country still remains dusty and rusty despite the billions of dollars its port generates, which, by the way, is operated by China.

Now the question becomes, if the $1 billion dollars a year Ethiopia pays to use the dusty and rusty Djibouti's port services has not made Djibouti the "Dubai of Africa," what makes you think that Ethiopia's use of the Berbera port can make Somalilanders instant billionaires? :P :P
I stand corrected. Thank you for staying civil in your conversation with me.

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Re: My Dear Somalia and Ethiopia! Show Wisdom!

Post by ittuabafarda » 08 Jan 2024, 18:01

This is not a good sign. Does the region need or deserve this jolting controversy at this time? I don’t think so. Does Ethiopia need an access to sea that will comparably accommodate its expected growth economically? Of course yes. But someone has jumped the gun with this MOU. Somaliland military chief is in Addis/Finfine now and Somalia’s president is heading to Asmara after he slammed the phone on PM Abiy. No, I don’t like this tense environment.

Concerned parties have been telling all of us that The Horn of Africa is a powder keg so primed to potentially blow up. All it needs is some troublesome hand to spark the flint. I hope and pray this is not it! I call upon US Special Envoy to the region H.E. Mr. Mike Powers to head to the HOE and calm the raging waters over there. I am making the same calls to The UN and EU to send their reps and try diffuse this tension. The issue of Somaliland has been both a headache and nightmare for policy makers everywhere. Damnedyou do, damned you don’t quagmire. The people of Somaliland have been extremely successful in creating and maintaining a peaceful, stable and democratic governance for over 30 years now. Meanwhile, the rest of Somalia has been a slaughterhouse and a den of of one of the most barbaric terrorist groups in the world. You can hear a pin drop in Somaliland. So what do you do with it? Let the rest of Somalia over run it and murder hundreds of thousands in the process? Don’t forget Taiwan. Don’t forget Moldova, Georgia, Finland, Poland, Mongolia and when the rampage rages on, The Philippines, Singapore, South Korea and others will be on the menu. Boy, boy, boy! I can feel it! I can see how the case of Somaliland can be a throbbing incubus to every policy maker everywhere.

My personal and honest suggestion is for my very dear Somali brothers and sisters to come together and sort their differences out peacefully for the good of their people and the region at large. It is time for some of you loud mouthed bigots and self acclaimed ‘Horn of Africa policy experts’ to stifle yourself and refrain from spewing around poison and gasoline over a smoldering fire from your safe and comfy homes in California, Minnesota, Michigan and Dubai. Just mum’s the word!!!

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