Who the hell do the western countries thinks they are interfering in ethiopia or Zimbabwe internal affairs and their national interests??
The Western countries did everything in their power to break up yogoslavia to give all the Ethnics independence.
Not only that the Americans worked hard to give kurds in Iraq their independence but Failed.
So if somalialand wants independence it is only the somalialand people decisions.period and full stop .
Long Live the Tigray People!
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Re: American & Europe Did Everything To Help South Sudan ,Kossovo, To Be Independence.Why Not Somalia??
First of all ur not that Intelligent are you i will give u a small lesson on this geopolitical issue since ur not aware. How states and countries operate and what Interests one might view to get the attention of a Foreign Powers now lets begin
Now lets begin with Kosovo , Kosovo was part of the Former Yugoslavia which fell apart in the early 1990s they are ethnic Albanians . The Europeans are shrewed and didnt care whether Milosovich and other Serbs commited Heinous Crimes against them during the civil war . The reason the west backed Kosovo was only to go against Russian Geopolitical interest , since Serbia is and was a Client state of the Russian Federation that was the purpose why allot of Western countries Recognized Kosovo despite Serbia rejecting it , Serbia is the Mother country . But either way the West didnt care about international law if it furthers their interests. Though the Kosovons are a bit higher in the pedigree , Then the Nilotic South Sudanese.
Now i will explain to you why South Sudan was recognized First of All South Sudanese is full of oil which is very rich in resourcefull country though the leaders are not that bright.
South sudan is a country of the dinka and the Nuer ethnic group two Niolitc groups, who were for years opressed by the Arab north. also the west was not a fan of bashir who was isolated by the west and they sanctioned him and wanted him in the Criminal court for the atrocities the janjaweed commited in darfur. Now this is a western feel good initiative.
For decades Evangelical Christians were preaching in South Sudan Americans were supporting the rebel movements. Hence why the West pressured SUDAN to accept a referendum in South Sudan bashir would not be isolated he conceded the US sec of state pushed for this agenda , Also to stop the Chinese influance since bashir was dealing with the Chinese. And thats how South Sudan got its independence.
Now tell me how Somaliland fits in any of these cases.
Somaliland is a poor country with maybe no oil and if it has oil not that significant for the western powers to be interested.
Now they have established ties with taiwan to go against Chinese global african interest. But still Uncle sam is not that interested to dismember the Somali republic for it ,he wants to establish Ties with Somaliland with out recognizing it. The late Cigal former Somaliland President a seasoned politician the Germans approached him in 2002 to give the germans a Military base he said u want a Base recognize our Independence then u get a base. The Germans were not feeling it to recognise such a teritory instead then they approached us in Djibouti and we gave them a base.
If the leaders of Somaliland were smart i would have approached the Iranians and the Russians just to stick it to the west and invite them , that would have been much smarter u will get world attention , Ethiopia cant do anything for Somaliland even if it supported its independence and it recognised it , the rest of the world still would ignore it. Ethiopia already has a diplomatic office in Hargeisa Ethiopian airlines flies into Somaliland , Qat is exported into Somaliland. Ethiopia recognises Somaliland passport , What other recognition can Ethiopia give Somaliland. Why would the leaders of Somaliland be so dumb to swap a sea outlet for a mere Recogntion that wont Force the United nations to recognise Somaliland.
no watch learn dear lad
Dr Zackovich
Now lets begin with Kosovo , Kosovo was part of the Former Yugoslavia which fell apart in the early 1990s they are ethnic Albanians . The Europeans are shrewed and didnt care whether Milosovich and other Serbs commited Heinous Crimes against them during the civil war . The reason the west backed Kosovo was only to go against Russian Geopolitical interest , since Serbia is and was a Client state of the Russian Federation that was the purpose why allot of Western countries Recognized Kosovo despite Serbia rejecting it , Serbia is the Mother country . But either way the West didnt care about international law if it furthers their interests. Though the Kosovons are a bit higher in the pedigree , Then the Nilotic South Sudanese.
Now i will explain to you why South Sudan was recognized First of All South Sudanese is full of oil which is very rich in resourcefull country though the leaders are not that bright.
South sudan is a country of the dinka and the Nuer ethnic group two Niolitc groups, who were for years opressed by the Arab north. also the west was not a fan of bashir who was isolated by the west and they sanctioned him and wanted him in the Criminal court for the atrocities the janjaweed commited in darfur. Now this is a western feel good initiative.
For decades Evangelical Christians were preaching in South Sudan Americans were supporting the rebel movements. Hence why the West pressured SUDAN to accept a referendum in South Sudan bashir would not be isolated he conceded the US sec of state pushed for this agenda , Also to stop the Chinese influance since bashir was dealing with the Chinese. And thats how South Sudan got its independence.
Now tell me how Somaliland fits in any of these cases.
Somaliland is a poor country with maybe no oil and if it has oil not that significant for the western powers to be interested.
Now they have established ties with taiwan to go against Chinese global african interest. But still Uncle sam is not that interested to dismember the Somali republic for it ,he wants to establish Ties with Somaliland with out recognizing it. The late Cigal former Somaliland President a seasoned politician the Germans approached him in 2002 to give the germans a Military base he said u want a Base recognize our Independence then u get a base. The Germans were not feeling it to recognise such a teritory instead then they approached us in Djibouti and we gave them a base.
If the leaders of Somaliland were smart i would have approached the Iranians and the Russians just to stick it to the west and invite them , that would have been much smarter u will get world attention , Ethiopia cant do anything for Somaliland even if it supported its independence and it recognised it , the rest of the world still would ignore it. Ethiopia already has a diplomatic office in Hargeisa Ethiopian airlines flies into Somaliland , Qat is exported into Somaliland. Ethiopia recognises Somaliland passport , What other recognition can Ethiopia give Somaliland. Why would the leaders of Somaliland be so dumb to swap a sea outlet for a mere Recogntion that wont Force the United nations to recognise Somaliland.
no watch learn dear lad
Dr Zackovich
Re: American & Europe Did Everything To Help South Sudan ,Kossovo, To Be Independence.Why Not Somalia??
Two idiots talking to one another.
Somalia is an independent, sovereign country UN recognized country.
LOL
I rest my case when I say the Ethiopians are stupid. Agames are Ethiopians.
Somalia is an independent, sovereign country UN recognized country.
LOL
I rest my case when I say the Ethiopians are stupid. Agames are Ethiopians.
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Re: American & Europe Did Everything To Help South Sudan ,Kossovo, To Be Independence.Why Not Somalia??
Ascari somali Zack
First of all you are the most worthless Ascari on this site with low IQ,flip floppers,no integrity,no dignity and full of lies and fabrication.
The entire somalia hates each other for centuries and the results was the disintegration of somalia 30 years ago.
Even to now days the somalians in moqadishu are eating each other's by clans , political Views etc etc.
You are not from Somalialand and it is non of your business what they want to do with their future self determination.
Only the somalialand people can decide not nobody else.
The somalialand people did a good job over the past decades living in relatively peaceful ways compared to the rest of somalia and are engaging in business activities.
The Americans and Western countries are just for their own interests not for the people of somalialand and their democracy right.
Hence the somalialand people right and self determination must be respected by all countries around the world.
Maybe in the future when all the somalia people learned to live with each other can come together and create a strong somalia by their own will.
That is what the divided Italy did in the 1800s united their countries based on their choices.
Now you and the rest of Ascaris Eritreans must stay out of the internal affairs of somalialand people and let them decide their own future and country.
It is non of Americans, western countries, Africa Union business to tell somalianld people what to do or deny them of their God given rights.
Let's ask you one question why did the Western countries, Americans, Arab countries supported the independence of eritrea, Giboute to separate from Ethiopia and recognized them before and after the Tigray People gave independence to evil eritrea???
Why did the Americans sacrificed hundreds of thousands soldiers to keep Vietnam, Korea divided and independence??
The moral of the story is it is no body business but the people of somalialand to have self determination and independence that must be respected by all countries.
Long Live the Tigray People!!!
First of all you are the most worthless Ascari on this site with low IQ,flip floppers,no integrity,no dignity and full of lies and fabrication.
The entire somalia hates each other for centuries and the results was the disintegration of somalia 30 years ago.
Even to now days the somalians in moqadishu are eating each other's by clans , political Views etc etc.
You are not from Somalialand and it is non of your business what they want to do with their future self determination.
Only the somalialand people can decide not nobody else.
The somalialand people did a good job over the past decades living in relatively peaceful ways compared to the rest of somalia and are engaging in business activities.
The Americans and Western countries are just for their own interests not for the people of somalialand and their democracy right.
Hence the somalialand people right and self determination must be respected by all countries around the world.
Maybe in the future when all the somalia people learned to live with each other can come together and create a strong somalia by their own will.
That is what the divided Italy did in the 1800s united their countries based on their choices.
Now you and the rest of Ascaris Eritreans must stay out of the internal affairs of somalialand people and let them decide their own future and country.
It is non of Americans, western countries, Africa Union business to tell somalianld people what to do or deny them of their God given rights.
Let's ask you one question why did the Western countries, Americans, Arab countries supported the independence of eritrea, Giboute to separate from Ethiopia and recognized them before and after the Tigray People gave independence to evil eritrea???
Why did the Americans sacrificed hundreds of thousands soldiers to keep Vietnam, Korea divided and independence??
The moral of the story is it is no body business but the people of somalialand to have self determination and independence that must be respected by all countries.
Long Live the Tigray People!!!
Re: American & Europe Did Everything To Help South Sudan ,Kossovo, To Be Independence.Why Not Somalia??
Tigray People wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 18:20Ascari somali Zack
First of all you are the most worthless Ascari on this site with low IQ,flip floppers,no integrity,no dignity and full of lies and fabrication.
The entire somalia hates each other for centuries and the results was the disintegration of somalia 30 years ago.
Even to now days the somalians in moqadishu are eating each other's by clans , political Views etc etc.
You are not from Somalialand and it is non of your business what they want to do with their future self determination.
Only the somalialand people can decide not nobody else.
The somalialand people did a good job over the past decades living in relatively peaceful ways compared to the rest of somalia and are engaging in business activities.
The Americans and Western countries are just for their own interests not for the people of somalialand and their democracy right.
Hence the somalialand people right and self determination must be respected by all countries around the world.
Maybe in the future when all the somalia people learned to live with each other can come together and create a strong somalia by their own will.
That is what the divided Italy did in the 1800s united their countries based on their choices.
Now you and the rest of Ascaris Eritreans must stay out of the internal affairs of somalialand people and let them decide their own future and country.
It is non of Americans, western countries, Africa Union business to tell somalianld people what to do or deny them of their God given rights.
Let's ask you one question why did the Western countries, Americans, Arab countries supported the independence of eritrea, Giboute to separate from Ethiopia and recognized them before and after the Tigray People gave independence to evil eritrea???
Why did the Americans sacrificed hundreds of thousands soldiers to keep Vietnam, Korea divided and independence??
The moral of the story is it is no body business but the people of somalialand to have self determination and independence that must be respected by all countries.
Long Live the Tigray People!!!
Again i have to teach you again how things are done Djibouti was a french Colony it was never part of Somalia hence why it was an independent country in 1977 it wasnt like a Separatists entity such as Somaliland or Eritrea .
The Arab countries yes supported Ertrea independence but for their own interests how ever the short legged shabians when they gained independence they stick it to the Arabs and established ties with the Israelis. the Arabs were shocked.
Eritrea case is quiet Similar to the case of Somaliland , how ever the Eritrean fell on the right side of the Geopolitical interest of the Arabs , where as Somaliland didnt the Arabs didnt like the break up of Somalia. Because it would weaken Arab interest and Egyptian interest. And bolster Ethiopian interests.
The region in the Horn despite some Kenyans and Ethiopians hinting for the break up Somalia the Arabs oppose it and western powers are not ready to welcome another Black african Muslim country . It takes more then self determination to be a country . U need political friends to achieve these objectives. Somalis will remain united and that is what we all wanted.
why do u think America cares for if some one votes america cares for economic hegenomy not if some one votes
Also i am a Somali Djiboutian clan wise and regional wise i am very close to the people of Somaliland , The Djibouti people and the People of Somaliland share allot of the same values and ancestry , eventhough all Somalis share the same ancestry but we are very close to each other when it comes to accents and traditions . So you cant tell me not to comment on these issues
Somalia will be strong will be united will be powerful once again
Dr Zackovich
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Re: American & Europe Did Everything To Help South Sudan ,Kossovo, To Be Independence.Why Not Somalia??
Ascari Somali Zack
We are highly brilliant ,war fighters, military strategists, military doctrine writers,policy makers, security analyst unlike you arm chair cyber warriors.
All your writing are the same geberish trying to sound smart.Belive us there is nothing for us to learn from you low IQ.
We have already told you it is non of your business about the people of somalialand self determination right and independence.
We have already told you it is not the business of America and Western countries to tell Ethiopian and somalialand what to do if they chose to work together for mutual benefits.
It doesn't matter which way you trying to put it what remains the same is it is nobody business to tell the people of somalialand how to live their lives and self determination but the people themselves.
Stick to the facts the people of somalialand are exercising their democracy and self determination peacefully to declare independence and work with their neighbors countries and that must be respected by all people.
Unlike slave of Evil France colonizer we the Tigray People are the only people never never was colonized because we defeated all foreign invaders armies and we see the aspirations of somalialand in different prism than you who was colonized and sodomized by white people and Arabs that is why you value them and fear them so much like a slave.
Let the people of somalialand be the sole deciders of their own lives and self determination it is non of yours or anybody business but them.
Long Live the Tigray People!
Self Determination Is God's Gift!
We are highly brilliant ,war fighters, military strategists, military doctrine writers,policy makers, security analyst unlike you arm chair cyber warriors.
All your writing are the same geberish trying to sound smart.Belive us there is nothing for us to learn from you low IQ.
We have already told you it is non of your business about the people of somalialand self determination right and independence.
We have already told you it is not the business of America and Western countries to tell Ethiopian and somalialand what to do if they chose to work together for mutual benefits.
It doesn't matter which way you trying to put it what remains the same is it is nobody business to tell the people of somalialand how to live their lives and self determination but the people themselves.
Stick to the facts the people of somalialand are exercising their democracy and self determination peacefully to declare independence and work with their neighbors countries and that must be respected by all people.
Unlike slave of Evil France colonizer we the Tigray People are the only people never never was colonized because we defeated all foreign invaders armies and we see the aspirations of somalialand in different prism than you who was colonized and sodomized by white people and Arabs that is why you value them and fear them so much like a slave.
Let the people of somalialand be the sole deciders of their own lives and self determination it is non of yours or anybody business but them.
Long Live the Tigray People!
Self Determination Is God's Gift!