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[TesfaNews]

Imagine being Oromo you cannot look at Somalis eye to eye nor can you look Amhara eye to eye nor can you look Eritrea eye to eye

[TesfaNews]

Orominna is the real neftegna ideology. Gallas are now more neftegna then neftegnas themselves

Gallas are copying their king Menelik and selassie gallas are blind

Gallas used to act oppressed but they ain't oppressed they are oppressors and are neo naftagnas

Somalis being divided by their qabil are being taken advantage of.

[Somaliman]

Orominna is the real neftegna ideology. Gallas are now more neftegna then neftegnas themselves

Gallas are copying their king Menelik and selassie gallas are blind

Gallas used to act oppressed but they ain't oppressed they are oppressors and are neo naftagnas

Somalis being divided by their qabil are being taken advantage of.

The oppressed tends at any cost to resemble and become its oppressor.

That's exactly the case of Oromo. Not only are they practising Neftegna's wicked ideologies, but also, they want to become more Neftegna than Neftegna itself.

[euroland]

TesfaBis Agamew

You agames have more enemies than the PeePees, considering, you are hated by 80 plus Ethiopian ethnics plus ypur only neighbor country, Eritrea. አይትወራዘየልና።

Imagine being Oromo you cannot look at Somalis eye to eye nor can you look Amhara eye to eye nor can you look Eritrea eye to eye

[TesfaNews]

Orominna is the real neftegna ideology. Gallas are now more neftegna then neftegnas themselves

Gallas are copying their king Menelik and selassie gallas are blind

Gallas used to act oppressed but they ain't oppressed they are oppressors and are neo naftagnas

Somalis being divided by their qabil are being taken advantage of.

The oppressed tends at any cost to resemble and become its oppressor.

That's exactly the case of Oromo. Not are they practising Neftegna's wicked ideologies, but also, they want to become more Neftegna that Neftegna itself.

oromos need to be called out for this

z oromos are now more neftegna than the neftegnas they are trying to BE MORE NEFTENYA THAN HAILE SELASSIE!

even if it MEANS DESTROYING THE HORN!

[Somaliman]

See what the Black South Africans are doing! As soon as they were freed from the apartheid, they started killing and burning the same Africans who supported them in their freedom struggle.

[Selam/]

First, woyane leeches need to calm down and stop beating the drum of war that you are too coward to be part of.

Second, don’t equate PP/OLF-Shene with Oromo people. In the same token, not all Amharas were Neftegna.

Third, the Amhara Neftegnas have preserved the integrity & statehood of the country & mastered the art of foreign policy while the Oromo neftegnas are unable to govern & constantly quarrel with neighboring countries. In fact, they succeeded to destroy the country in just five years.

[Sadacha Macca]

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

[Selam/]

Whoever ruled Ethiopia prior to TPLF was called Neftegna by Oromo elites, so I didn’t make it up. Ever since woyane showed up, the Ethiopia we knew started to disintegrate. Whether the problem started during H.Selassie or Mengistu, that’s another question. None of the rulers were perfect if you go back in time and read the number of wars, foreign interventions & intrigues endured throughout the country’s history. But we have never seen a system as savage, fragile and laughing stock as today. You can call it Oromo Neftega or PP/OLF-shene savagery if you will.

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

[DefendTheTruth]

I think the title should have been "Abiy allowing the people of Ethiopia to know their enemies better", it is your illusion/wish to dub it "giving more enemies".

[Sadacha Macca]

Whoever ruled Ethiopia prior to TPLF was called Neftegna by Oromo elites, so I didn’t make it up. Ever since woyane showed up, the Ethiopia we knew started to disintegrate. Whether the problem started during H.Selassie or Mengistu, that’s another question. None of the rulers were perfect if you go back in time and read the number of wars, foreign interventions & intrigues endured throughout the country’s history. But we have never seen a system as savage, fragile and laughing stock as today. You can call it Oromo Neftega or PP/OLF-shene savagery if you will.

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

In what way did ''Ethiopia start to disintegrate'' though? You are implying that it was some oasis of unity, with all of us holding hands and singing prior to the current federalism being implemented? The country has always been divided and always been under-developed, mostly due to internal conflicts. Maybe we, or people like you, say such things because we/I/You didn't live during the reigns of those prior to the EPRDF/OPDO/etc, and all we know is the current system. Perhaps it's due to being biased, or a combination of factors. But the fact is, Ethiopia has yet, to this very second, to see an efficient and stable govt; perhaps due to the way it was stablished over a 100 years ago, perhaps because the country is so polarized/divided, especially the elites who have no commonality, etc.

[Selam/]

If Mr X is unable to go from the Capital to Nekemte & Debre Markis or vice versa without commercial airlines, consider the capital to be a ghetto metropole. If Mrs Y loses her home or get hacked to death by savage mobs just because she was not born in that village, that is Ethiopia’s Snake Island. When girls are abducted in broad daylight and gangs kidnap citizens in exchange for ransom money & the government doesn’t give a hoot, it’s a sign of a failed state. When a fetus is pulled out of a pregnant woman with a machete, sadism & barbarism is certainly triumphing. None of this happened before.

Whoever ruled Ethiopia prior to TPLF was called Neftegna by Oromo elites, so I didn’t make it up. Ever since woyane showed up, the Ethiopia we knew started to disintegrate. Whether the problem started during H.Selassie or Mengistu, that’s another question. None of the rulers were perfect if you go back in time and read the number of wars, foreign interventions & intrigues endured throughout the country’s history. But we have never seen a system as savage, fragile and laughing stock as today. You can call it Oromo Neftega or PP/OLF-shene savagery if you will.

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

In what way did ''Ethiopia start to disintegrate'' though? You are implying that it was some oasis of unity, with all of us holding hands and singing prior to the current federalism being implemented? The country has always been divided and always been under-developed, mostly due to internal conflicts. Maybe we, or people like you, say such things because we/I/You didn't live during the reigns of those prior to the EPRDF/OPDO/etc, and all we know is the current system. Perhaps it's due to being biased, or a combination of factors. But the fact is, Ethiopia has yet, to this very second, to see an efficient and stable govt; perhaps due to the way it was stablished over a 100 years ago, perhaps because the country is so polarized/divided, especially the elites who have no commonality, etc.

[Sadacha Macca]

If Mr X is unable to go from the Capital to Nekemte & Debre Markis or vice versa without commercial airlines, consider the capital to be a ghetto metropole. If Mrs Y loses her home or get hacked to death by savage mobs just because she was not born in that village, that is Ethiopia’s Snake Island. When girls are abducted in broad daylight and gangs kidnap citizens in exchange for ransom money & the government doesn’t give a hoot, it’s a sign of a failed state. When a fetus is pulled out of a pregnant woman with a machete, sadism & barbarism is certainly triumphing. None of this happened before.

Whoever ruled Ethiopia prior to TPLF was called Neftegna by Oromo elites, so I didn’t make it up. Ever since woyane showed up, the Ethiopia we knew started to disintegrate. Whether the problem started during H.Selassie or Mengistu, that’s another question. None of the rulers were perfect if you go back in time and read the number of wars, foreign interventions & intrigues endured throughout the country’s history. But we have never seen a system as savage, fragile and laughing stock as today. You can call it Oromo Neftega or PP/OLF-shene savagery if you will.

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

In what way did ''Ethiopia start to disintegrate'' though? You are implying that it was some oasis of unity, with all of us holding hands and singing prior to the current federalism being implemented? The country has always been divided and always been under-developed, mostly due to internal conflicts. Maybe we, or people like you, say such things because we/I/You didn't live during the reigns of those prior to the EPRDF/OPDO/etc, and all we know is the current system. Perhaps it's due to being biased, or a combination of factors. But the fact is, Ethiopia has yet, to this very second, to see an efficient and stable govt; perhaps due to the way it was stablished over a 100 years ago, perhaps because the country is so polarized/divided, especially the elites who have no commonality, etc.

Those are all horrible events indeed, none can deny that; however, during the previous regimes, there were war crimes committed as well & in many instances, people were serfs (modern day slavery), and in others, they had their very identity/language/culture targeted for destruction (such as amharic being imposed in eritrea, oromo lands, etc, and the burning of books in tigrinya, afaan oromo, etc,).


Under haile selassie:


http://www.ehrea.org/19600.php

In 1962 Emperor Haile Sellassie unilaterally dissolved the Eritrean parliament and annexed the country

We need the Land not the People,” declared the Ethiopian emperor at the first place

Because of this policy the Second Ethiopian Army division burned many villages and killed many the unarmed civilian population.

Phase 1 : Barbaric crimes committed by the Second Ethiopian Army division in the 1960s
Based on the Human Right Watch report (1991:44) the first large-scale abuses of human rights occurred during three army offensives in 1967. Here is a short list of atrocities that committed against civilians by the Second Ethiopian Army division

1965 at Merara, Hamassien province, and at Medeka, Keren province 67 men and 46 men respectively were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers.
On 11 of February 1967 many villages were burnt down in Barka district by the Second Ethiopian Army division. According to reports from local community leaders, 402 civilian were killed, and about 60,000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and burning alive. In addition 21 detainees, most of them teachers and government employees were summarily executed in Tessenei prison on February 12.
Following an attack launched by the Ethiopian army against the area where the Eritrean Liberation Front was operating, 28, 600 refugees crossed into Sudan in March 1967. (Kibreab, 1987:71).
The February-March 1967 martyrs at the villages of Ad-Ebrihim, Ad-Kukui, Ad-Jemil, Ad-Omer, Ad-Saydna Hamid, Ad-Gherbet, Ad-Fedl, Ad-Habab, Emtrub, Mogoraib and others in Barka who were killed after the burning of 62 thriving villages and the machine-gunning of over 60,000 of their livestock. Renewed burning campaigns of that year killed many and displaced thousands after burning the villages of Halhal, Bab-Jengeren, Hamelmalo, Melebso,Felhit, Enchinaq, Hashishai, Fana, Wazintet, Qamchewa, Azreqet, Habero and many others put at 173 villages by some field researchers.
Between February and April in 1967, the Ethiopian soldiers burned 62 villages, including Mogoraib, Zamla, Ad Ibrahim, Gerset Gurgur, Adi Bera, Asir, Fori and Ad Habab. Furthermore, 402 civilians were killed, and about 60, 000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and by burning them alive. This was reported from local community leaders.
Between 30 April and 8 May 1967, the Ethiopian army burnt 120 villages to the ground, with an estimated 10, 000 people killed and approximately 50,000 fleeing to more secure parts of the country, or into Sudan as refugees. Eritreans for Liberation in North America,( EFLNA, 1977:23.). Reporting on the military actions against civilians in the southern lowlands and districts surrounding the town of Keren in Senhit Province, an Ethiopian prisoner of war commented.
" It is true that whenever we were going to or coming from a battle, we used to burn many village s on the way, kill anyone in sight and take away whatever property we could put our hands on. For instance, I can recall, when we were engaged in a battle near Keren around December 1967, seeing many villages burnt such as Babjengen" , Halhal(cited in Eritrean People's Liberation Front, 1982: 72). Furthermore, according to the ELF (sep.1977) report an estimated number of 40,000 civilians were massacred during the six years of the armed struggle. Over 1,500 villages were given to flames, 3,000 forced-settlers were created
Ras Asrate Kassa used to say that he would leave Eritrea as bare as his bald head.
Between Feb. and June 1967 the following criminal acts were committed by the Ethiopan army
Province Villages leveled Civilians massacred Livestock killed
Barka 80 700 600, 000
Semhar 10 98 600
Senhit 176 uncounted uncounted
Akele Guzai 86 148 7, 000
Total 352 946+ 67,000+
Source ELF Foreign Information Centre Sept.1976

On 11 July in 1967 the villages of Eilet and Gumhot were burned, and 30 young men tied up and burned alive inside a house. Five other villages were burned over the following days, 51 people killed. 6, 000 domestic animals were killed. According to reports the soldiers singled out camels for slaughter, because they were vital for transport. Wolde Giorgis (1987:82) also cited those soldiers slaughtering cattle, eating what they wanted, and then leaving the rest to rot. He adds that sometimes soldiers would kill cattle just to get the livers.
In November 1967, almost all the villages of Senhit 174 in all were destroyed by soldiers from the Second Ethiopia Army Division . Some reliable sources reported atrocities included: Kuhul and Amadi: the army ordered the people to collect in one place, where they were bombed by air force planes
Asmat: the army opened fire on a wedding party, killing an unknown number
In 1967, over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives at Misyam
The August 1967 wanton killings and burning of the villages of Ailet, Asus, Weqiro, Figret, ShebaH, Gedged, Gemhot, Metkel-Abet and many others.
The summer-autumn 1967 killings and burning in highland Eritrea and destroying wiping out whole villages and property in the Hazemo-Hazo valleys and plains, at Fishey-Merara, Deg’A, Arebet, Diyat, Timza’e, Mai Chada, Endazmach-Ogbit and other localities. These were followed by grisly massacres like the one at Misyam where the over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives.

In 1969, marshal law was proclaimed, as armed resistance became stronger. Haile Selassie used to say that ‘We need the land but not the people'. Ethiopia first attacked the lowlands, and gradually the whole Eritrea was on fire, except the cities. In the lowlands, villages were burned to ashes and its inhabitants slaughtered, and some children were found sucking the breast of their dead mothers. He had problems governing Eritrea as a whole. (Cbaac, 2008)




^A small sample of what he did.




mengistu's crimes are well known, all kinds of mutilations, etc, were committed during the key shibbir, i can easily post excerpts about what occurred then, if you wish.

[sun]

Imagine being Oromo you cannot look at Somalis eye to eye nor can you look Amhara eye to eye nor can you look Eritrea eye to eye

That is only according to your backward primitive low IQ wishful sterile fairy tale tales. Otherwise it is natural for a knowledgeable hardworking government to explore all areas of opportunities and propose mutual cooperation projects just like the current Ethio-Somalia project which will open the door for the economic growth, development and wealth creation. Why should Ethiopia alone with 110 million people needs to stay away as a landlocked suffocated country by being a willing non participant in the extremely contested strategic sea and adjacent land areas when governments thousands of kilometers away come there to the sea coast and sea fronts to establish stations and navy unites to protect their "economic and political interests"?

The young and democratically elected Prime minister and his government have done great job for being able to participate in this project and through that contribute in creating positive economic and political developments For Ethiopians and non Ethiopians. The agreement is made with the Somali leaders looking at each other's eyes directly, smiling and hugging each other gleefully. The PM is a PM of Ethiopians which includes also Amharas who are part of the negotiating and agreement team of the project.

Amharas are very happy with the project because they need reliable sea ports for which reasons they were holding support demonstrations in many areas of the Amhara region. Also lots of Eritreans are very happy about such regional cooperation between Ethiopia and Somalia because Ethiopia produces lots of Agricultural and industrial products for export. All of these positive elements and the dream coming true will make us all to see at each other's eyes with pride and majestic lion look. You are part of the sleepy sleeper negatively oriented fake story narrator of no significance.

[Selam/]

Yes, there was peasant serfdom without any association to specific ethnicity or locality. That existed in many countries throughout the world as well and, as a matter of fact, you’re still a slave of some sort of system.

I don’t want to waste my time verifying your laundry list of crimes committed in Eritrea, but I don’t deny that atrocities occurs during rebellion by either party. For example, while Derg was bombing Tigray villages, savage TPLF gave them a false intelligence, so an entire market place is turned to dust. But the average Joe was always level-headed. The current state of affairs is a whole different story. Ordinary citizens hate each other and involve in savage crimes, places of faith get burnt down to ground, elites & officials pour gas on the fuel, half of the country is not fully controlled by the central government. That’s absolute anarchy!

Regarding language, I will say this: I had a new Eritrean English teacher when I was in elementary school during Derg. He barely spoke any Amharic, nor did his wife. I did also live in Wollega and Ambo, and I can tell you that your accusation is just baseless.

If Mr X is unable to go from the Capital to Nekemte & Debre Markis or vice versa without commercial airlines, consider the capital to be a ghetto metropole. If Mrs Y loses her home or get hacked to death by savage mobs just because she was not born in that village, that is Ethiopia’s Snake Island. When girls are abducted in broad daylight and gangs kidnap citizens in exchange for ransom money & the government doesn’t give a hoot, it’s a sign of a failed state. When a fetus is pulled out of a pregnant woman with a machete, sadism & barbarism is certainly triumphing. None of this happened before.

Whoever ruled Ethiopia prior to TPLF was called Neftegna by Oromo elites, so I didn’t make it up. Ever since woyane showed up, the Ethiopia we knew started to disintegrate. Whether the problem started during H.Selassie or Mengistu, that’s another question. None of the rulers were perfect if you go back in time and read the number of wars, foreign interventions & intrigues endured throughout the country’s history. But we have never seen a system as savage, fragile and laughing stock as today. You can call it Oromo Neftega or PP/OLF-shene savagery if you will.

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

In what way did ''Ethiopia start to disintegrate'' though? You are implying that it was some oasis of unity, with all of us holding hands and singing prior to the current federalism being implemented? The country has always been divided and always been under-developed, mostly due to internal conflicts. Maybe we, or people like you, say such things because we/I/You didn't live during the reigns of those prior to the EPRDF/OPDO/etc, and all we know is the current system. Perhaps it's due to being biased, or a combination of factors. But the fact is, Ethiopia has yet, to this very second, to see an efficient and stable govt; perhaps due to the way it was stablished over a 100 years ago, perhaps because the country is so polarized/divided, especially the elites who have no commonality, etc.

Those are all horrible events indeed, none can deny that; however, during the previous regimes, there were war crimes committed as well & in many instances, people were serfs (modern day slavery), and in others, they had their very identity/language/culture targeted for destruction (such as amharic being imposed in eritrea, oromo lands, etc, and the burning of books in tigrinya, afaan oromo, etc,).


Under haile selassie:


http://www.ehrea.org/19600.php

In 1962 Emperor Haile Sellassie unilaterally dissolved the Eritrean parliament and annexed the country

We need the Land not the People,” declared the Ethiopian emperor at the first place

Because of this policy the Second Ethiopian Army division burned many villages and killed many the unarmed civilian population.

Phase 1 : Barbaric crimes committed by the Second Ethiopian Army division in the 1960s
Based on the Human Right Watch report (1991:44) the first large-scale abuses of human rights occurred during three army offensives in 1967. Here is a short list of atrocities that committed against civilians by the Second Ethiopian Army division

1965 at Merara, Hamassien province, and at Medeka, Keren province 67 men and 46 men respectively were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers.
On 11 of February 1967 many villages were burnt down in Barka district by the Second Ethiopian Army division. According to reports from local community leaders, 402 civilian were killed, and about 60,000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and burning alive. In addition 21 detainees, most of them teachers and government employees were summarily executed in Tessenei prison on February 12.
Following an attack launched by the Ethiopian army against the area where the Eritrean Liberation Front was operating, 28, 600 refugees crossed into Sudan in March 1967. (Kibreab, 1987:71).
The February-March 1967 martyrs at the villages of Ad-Ebrihim, Ad-Kukui, Ad-Jemil, Ad-Omer, Ad-Saydna Hamid, Ad-Gherbet, Ad-Fedl, Ad-Habab, Emtrub, Mogoraib and others in Barka who were killed after the burning of 62 thriving villages and the machine-gunning of over 60,000 of their livestock. Renewed burning campaigns of that year killed many and displaced thousands after burning the villages of Halhal, Bab-Jengeren, Hamelmalo, Melebso,Felhit, Enchinaq, Hashishai, Fana, Wazintet, Qamchewa, Azreqet, Habero and many others put at 173 villages by some field researchers.
Between February and April in 1967, the Ethiopian soldiers burned 62 villages, including Mogoraib, Zamla, Ad Ibrahim, Gerset Gurgur, Adi Bera, Asir, Fori and Ad Habab. Furthermore, 402 civilians were killed, and about 60, 000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and by burning them alive. This was reported from local community leaders.
Between 30 April and 8 May 1967, the Ethiopian army burnt 120 villages to the ground, with an estimated 10, 000 people killed and approximately 50,000 fleeing to more secure parts of the country, or into Sudan as refugees. Eritreans for Liberation in North America,( EFLNA, 1977:23.). Reporting on the military actions against civilians in the southern lowlands and districts surrounding the town of Keren in Senhit Province, an Ethiopian prisoner of war commented.
" It is true that whenever we were going to or coming from a battle, we used to burn many village s on the way, kill anyone in sight and take away whatever property we could put our hands on. For instance, I can recall, when we were engaged in a battle near Keren around December 1967, seeing many villages burnt such as Babjengen" , Halhal(cited in Eritrean People's Liberation Front, 1982: 72). Furthermore, according to the ELF (sep.1977) report an estimated number of 40,000 civilians were massacred during the six years of the armed struggle. Over 1,500 villages were given to flames, 3,000 forced-settlers were created
Ras Asrate Kassa used to say that he would leave Eritrea as bare as his bald head.
Between Feb. and June 1967 the following criminal acts were committed by the Ethiopan army
Province Villages leveled Civilians massacred Livestock killed
Barka 80 700 600, 000
Semhar 10 98 600
Senhit 176 uncounted uncounted
Akele Guzai 86 148 7, 000
Total 352 946+ 67,000+
Source ELF Foreign Information Centre Sept.1976

On 11 July in 1967 the villages of Eilet and Gumhot were burned, and 30 young men tied up and burned alive inside a house. Five other villages were burned over the following days, 51 people killed. 6, 000 domestic animals were killed. According to reports the soldiers singled out camels for slaughter, because they were vital for transport. Wolde Giorgis (1987:82) also cited those soldiers slaughtering cattle, eating what they wanted, and then leaving the rest to rot. He adds that sometimes soldiers would kill cattle just to get the livers.
In November 1967, almost all the villages of Senhit 174 in all were destroyed by soldiers from the Second Ethiopia Army Division . Some reliable sources reported atrocities included: Kuhul and Amadi: the army ordered the people to collect in one place, where they were bombed by air force planes
Asmat: the army opened fire on a wedding party, killing an unknown number
In 1967, over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives at Misyam
The August 1967 wanton killings and burning of the villages of Ailet, Asus, Weqiro, Figret, ShebaH, Gedged, Gemhot, Metkel-Abet and many others.
The summer-autumn 1967 killings and burning in highland Eritrea and destroying wiping out whole villages and property in the Hazemo-Hazo valleys and plains, at Fishey-Merara, Deg’A, Arebet, Diyat, Timza’e, Mai Chada, Endazmach-Ogbit and other localities. These were followed by grisly massacres like the one at Misyam where the over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives.

In 1969, marshal law was proclaimed, as armed resistance became stronger. Haile Selassie used to say that ‘We need the land but not the people'. Ethiopia first attacked the lowlands, and gradually the whole Eritrea was on fire, except the cities. In the lowlands, villages were burned to ashes and its inhabitants slaughtered, and some children were found sucking the breast of their dead mothers. He had problems governing Eritrea as a whole. (Cbaac, 2008)




^A small sample of what he did.




mengistu's crimes are well known, all kinds of mutilations, etc, were committed during the key shibbir, i can easily post excerpts about what occurred then, if you wish.

[Selam/]

From the horse’s mouth:

Yes, there was peasant serfdom without any association to specific ethnicity or locality. That existed in many countries throughout the world as well and, as a matter of fact, you’re still a slave of some sort of system.

I don’t want to waste my time verifying your laundry list of crimes committed in Eritrea, but I don’t deny that atrocities occurs during rebellion by either party. For example, while Derg was bombing Tigray villages, savage TPLF gave them a false intelligence, so an entire market place is turned to dust. But the average Joe was always level-headed. The current state of affairs is a whole different story. Ordinary citizens hate each other and involve in savage crimes, places of faith get burnt down to ground, elites & officials pour gas on the fuel, half of the country is not fully controlled by the central government. That’s absolute anarchy!

Regarding language, I will say this: I had a new Eritrean English teacher when I was in elementary school during Derg. He barely spoke any Amharic, nor did his wife. I did also live in Wollega and Ambo, and I can tell you that your accusation is just baseless.

If Mr X is unable to go from the Capital to Nekemte & Debre Markis or vice versa without commercial airlines, consider the capital to be a ghetto metropole. If Mrs Y loses her home or get hacked to death by savage mobs just because she was not born in that village, that is Ethiopia’s Snake Island. When girls are abducted in broad daylight and gangs kidnap citizens in exchange for ransom money & the government doesn’t give a hoot, it’s a sign of a failed state. When a fetus is pulled out of a pregnant woman with a machete, sadism & barbarism is certainly triumphing. None of this happened before.

Whoever ruled Ethiopia prior to TPLF was called Neftegna by Oromo elites, so I didn’t make it up. Ever since woyane showed up, the Ethiopia we knew started to disintegrate. Whether the problem started during H.Selassie or Mengistu, that’s another question. None of the rulers were perfect if you go back in time and read the number of wars, foreign interventions & intrigues endured throughout the country’s history. But we have never seen a system as savage, fragile and laughing stock as today. You can call it Oromo Neftega or PP/OLF-shene savagery if you will.

Wishye Noble agame aka tesfa agame news aka endertan aka union,
Funny how under one account you support the port deal and under this account you condemn it. The many deceptive faces of an agame troll always amaze and entertain me.
You should worry about the famine and starvation in Tigray dude. Your people are suffering more than anyone. If you love yourself, your family and people, that should be your concern.
All this nonsense about Oromo being neftegnas only applies to a small group today and in the past, there were always Oromo's who were in the armies of Abyssinia or Ethiopia, so oromo neftengas isn't a new concept.

Only thing I disagree with selam is on the praise for the so called Amara neftengas, who ruled previously, because they too failed Ethiopia and set the stage for some of the problems that showed up later on. Opdo today is bad, but those before them were bad too. I'll exclude menelik because he spent most of his life establishing the borders of Ethiopia and didn't really get a chance to administer the country in times of peace.
Haile Selassie was a puppet of the west and had a war with Somalia, had multiple armed rebellions within Ethiopia and it was under his rule that the war on Eritrea started, famines, etc, he was a failure. Mengistu was worse but did some good, such as the literacy campaigns, sending the lazy northern neftengas who depended on gabbars or serfs back to the north, got rid of the oppressive monarch, etc.

In what way did ''Ethiopia start to disintegrate'' though? You are implying that it was some oasis of unity, with all of us holding hands and singing prior to the current federalism being implemented? The country has always been divided and always been under-developed, mostly due to internal conflicts. Maybe we, or people like you, say such things because we/I/You didn't live during the reigns of those prior to the EPRDF/OPDO/etc, and all we know is the current system. Perhaps it's due to being biased, or a combination of factors. But the fact is, Ethiopia has yet, to this very second, to see an efficient and stable govt; perhaps due to the way it was stablished over a 100 years ago, perhaps because the country is so polarized/divided, especially the elites who have no commonality, etc.

Those are all horrible events indeed, none can deny that; however, during the previous regimes, there were war crimes committed as well & in many instances, people were serfs (modern day slavery), and in others, they had their very identity/language/culture targeted for destruction (such as amharic being imposed in eritrea, oromo lands, etc, and the burning of books in tigrinya, afaan oromo, etc,).


Under haile selassie:


http://www.ehrea.org/19600.php

In 1962 Emperor Haile Sellassie unilaterally dissolved the Eritrean parliament and annexed the country

We need the Land not the People,” declared the Ethiopian emperor at the first place

Because of this policy the Second Ethiopian Army division burned many villages and killed many the unarmed civilian population.

Phase 1 : Barbaric crimes committed by the Second Ethiopian Army division in the 1960s
Based on the Human Right Watch report (1991:44) the first large-scale abuses of human rights occurred during three army offensives in 1967. Here is a short list of atrocities that committed against civilians by the Second Ethiopian Army division

1965 at Merara, Hamassien province, and at Medeka, Keren province 67 men and 46 men respectively were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers.
On 11 of February 1967 many villages were burnt down in Barka district by the Second Ethiopian Army division. According to reports from local community leaders, 402 civilian were killed, and about 60,000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and burning alive. In addition 21 detainees, most of them teachers and government employees were summarily executed in Tessenei prison on February 12.
Following an attack launched by the Ethiopian army against the area where the Eritrean Liberation Front was operating, 28, 600 refugees crossed into Sudan in March 1967. (Kibreab, 1987:71).
The February-March 1967 martyrs at the villages of Ad-Ebrihim, Ad-Kukui, Ad-Jemil, Ad-Omer, Ad-Saydna Hamid, Ad-Gherbet, Ad-Fedl, Ad-Habab, Emtrub, Mogoraib and others in Barka who were killed after the burning of 62 thriving villages and the machine-gunning of over 60,000 of their livestock. Renewed burning campaigns of that year killed many and displaced thousands after burning the villages of Halhal, Bab-Jengeren, Hamelmalo, Melebso,Felhit, Enchinaq, Hashishai, Fana, Wazintet, Qamchewa, Azreqet, Habero and many others put at 173 villages by some field researchers.
Between February and April in 1967, the Ethiopian soldiers burned 62 villages, including Mogoraib, Zamla, Ad Ibrahim, Gerset Gurgur, Adi Bera, Asir, Fori and Ad Habab. Furthermore, 402 civilians were killed, and about 60, 000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and by burning them alive. This was reported from local community leaders.
Between 30 April and 8 May 1967, the Ethiopian army burnt 120 villages to the ground, with an estimated 10, 000 people killed and approximately 50,000 fleeing to more secure parts of the country, or into Sudan as refugees. Eritreans for Liberation in North America,( EFLNA, 1977:23.). Reporting on the military actions against civilians in the southern lowlands and districts surrounding the town of Keren in Senhit Province, an Ethiopian prisoner of war commented.
" It is true that whenever we were going to or coming from a battle, we used to burn many village s on the way, kill anyone in sight and take away whatever property we could put our hands on. For instance, I can recall, when we were engaged in a battle near Keren around December 1967, seeing many villages burnt such as Babjengen" , Halhal(cited in Eritrean People's Liberation Front, 1982: 72). Furthermore, according to the ELF (sep.1977) report an estimated number of 40,000 civilians were massacred during the six years of the armed struggle. Over 1,500 villages were given to flames, 3,000 forced-settlers were created
Ras Asrate Kassa used to say that he would leave Eritrea as bare as his bald head.
Between Feb. and June 1967 the following criminal acts were committed by the Ethiopan army
Province Villages leveled Civilians massacred Livestock killed
Barka 80 700 600, 000
Semhar 10 98 600
Senhit 176 uncounted uncounted
Akele Guzai 86 148 7, 000
Total 352 946+ 67,000+
Source ELF Foreign Information Centre Sept.1976

On 11 July in 1967 the villages of Eilet and Gumhot were burned, and 30 young men tied up and burned alive inside a house. Five other villages were burned over the following days, 51 people killed. 6, 000 domestic animals were killed. According to reports the soldiers singled out camels for slaughter, because they were vital for transport. Wolde Giorgis (1987:82) also cited those soldiers slaughtering cattle, eating what they wanted, and then leaving the rest to rot. He adds that sometimes soldiers would kill cattle just to get the livers.
In November 1967, almost all the villages of Senhit 174 in all were destroyed by soldiers from the Second Ethiopia Army Division . Some reliable sources reported atrocities included: Kuhul and Amadi: the army ordered the people to collect in one place, where they were bombed by air force planes
Asmat: the army opened fire on a wedding party, killing an unknown number
In 1967, over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives at Misyam
The August 1967 wanton killings and burning of the villages of Ailet, Asus, Weqiro, Figret, ShebaH, Gedged, Gemhot, Metkel-Abet and many others.
The summer-autumn 1967 killings and burning in highland Eritrea and destroying wiping out whole villages and property in the Hazemo-Hazo valleys and plains, at Fishey-Merara, Deg’A, Arebet, Diyat, Timza’e, Mai Chada, Endazmach-Ogbit and other localities. These were followed by grisly massacres like the one at Misyam where the over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives.

In 1969, marshal law was proclaimed, as armed resistance became stronger. Haile Selassie used to say that ‘We need the land but not the people'. Ethiopia first attacked the lowlands, and gradually the whole Eritrea was on fire, except the cities. In the lowlands, villages were burned to ashes and its inhabitants slaughtered, and some children were found sucking the breast of their dead mothers. He had problems governing Eritrea as a whole. (Cbaac, 2008)




^A small sample of what he did.




mengistu's crimes are well known, all kinds of mutilations, etc, were committed during the key shibbir, i can easily post excerpts about what occurred then, if you wish.

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