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Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Sadacha Macca » 18 Oct 2023, 14:31

What if the western donors are pressuring him to provoke Eritrea and break off relations with them, in order to get the countries debt restructured, eased, etc and to get aid? Otherwise, we can only speculate about Why he's saying these crazy things.
Going to war isn't an option even if he wanted to. The counties broke, the armies already fighting on multiple fronts within Ethiopia, etc.

Getting access to the sea? The only way is to do it through legitimate business. Pay for the services like you would do for anything else.

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Abdisa » 18 Oct 2023, 15:25

The qualifications for IMF's debt restructuring is to turn against your immediate neighbors, which in turn robs you of your sovereignty as you become a vassal state with no economic policies of your own, and you must accept IMF's economic policy reforms (structural adjustment) which includes the privatization of state-owned industries and resources. In other words, the leader of such country will sell his soul to the devil and he's not allowed to ask for it back.

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Hawzen » 18 Oct 2023, 16:21

Sadacha Macca wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 14:31
What if the western donors are pressuring him to provoke Eritrea and break off relations with them, in order to get the countries debt restructured, eased, etc and to get aid? Otherwise, we can only speculate about Why he's saying these crazy things.
Going to war isn't an option even if he wanted to. The counties broke, the armies already fighting on multiple fronts within Ethiopia, etc.

Getting access to the sea? The only way is to do it through legitimate business. Pay for the services like you would do for anything else.
Well.. I think Abby just proved that he is immature and inexperienced leader and I am sorry to say that. I don't think he realized the magnitude of the issue he uttered and its consequences. He has already provoked not only Eritrea but also many other neighboring countries. I thought only Amhara and Agame elites are obsessed with our Sea and that I never expected this craziness from Oromo elites specially Abby.. But I was definitely wrong... :oops: :lol: :mrgreen:

By the way, I think Egypt and Sudan also deserve to have the ownership of Abay dam to control the flow of water because water is life for them.. :lol: :lol: Eritrea and Somalia also need to have the ownership of the fertile land of Jimma and other Oromia to grow our own coffee :lol: :lol: :lol: . I wish he had seen it both ways.. I also hope that he realizes the consequence of war mongering attitude he displayed to try invade other sovereign countries just to "own Red Sea Access".

Anyway, there is not question that some Oromo Biltsigina cadres will support him...But I also think that the majority of the people of Oromo not only will not support him, they might be stunned by what he uttered. When it comes to the people of Amhara and other ethics, what is the point of dreaming about Red Sea when they can't even go to Addis, their capital city or live in other killils safely?!

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Sadacha Macca » 18 Oct 2023, 16:32

He left everyone stunned. He sounds like haile selassie.
I wouldn't even say he represents Oromos elites but he does represent his interests and his small groups. Oromia is closer to berbera, Djibouti and other Ports, if we need to access the sea to export our goods.
Eritrea would be for northern Ethiopian products and commodities, for the most part, and of course only usable through a fair deal (as opposed to this dangerous rhetoric).

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Asmara » 18 Oct 2023, 16:49

Let's call a spade a spade. I have never liked this child minded leader of Ethiopia from the get go. He is untrustworthy, unreliable, unprincipled and a flip flopper in nature. He can change his position with the wind.

It doesn't surprise me now to hear him say what he said in parliament. First he tried to walk on the edges by mentioning other neighbouring countries (apart from Eritrea) for sea access to look more rational. He then brought about bizzare suggestions about exchanging some share in the Ethiopian airlines for a lease (or maybe owning lol) of a piece of land in neighbouring country's ports. Finally, he spilled the beans by quoting the infamous warlod, Alula about the so called 'frontier of Ethiopia is the Red Sea.'

The sooner this child minded PM is gone the better.
Eritrea deserves better respect for its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Abere » 18 Oct 2023, 17:13

You had better stop bad mouthing Majesty, Emperor Hailesellasie. There is no point talking about His Majesty. He is one of the most beloved kings of Ethiopia. Talking about Emperor Hailessessie is irrelevant to what is happening. This not going to help at all. Stay away disrepecting our Kings. You would advise others too, divisive narratives are not helpful at all.
Sadacha Macca wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 16:32
He left everyone stunned. He sounds like haile selassie.
I wouldn't even say he represents Oromos elites but he does represent his interests and his small groups. Oromia is closer to berbera, Djibouti and other Ports, if we need to access the sea to export our goods.
Eritrea would be for northern Ethiopian products and commodities, for the most part, and of course only usable through a fair deal (as opposed to this dangerous rhetoric).

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Noble Amhara » 18 Oct 2023, 18:41

How come oromos are supporting Abiy Ahmed claim on Red Sea?

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Re: Abiy knows better than to test Eritrea, but

Post by Sadacha Macca » 20 Oct 2023, 19:26

Abere wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 17:13
You had better stop bad mouthing Majesty, Emperor Hailesellasie. There is no point talking about His Majesty. He is one of the most beloved kings of Ethiopia. Talking about Emperor Hailessessie is irrelevant to what is happening. This not going to help at all. Stay away disrepecting our Kings. You would advise others too, divisive narratives are not helpful at all.
Sadacha Macca wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 16:32
He left everyone stunned. He sounds like haile selassie.
I wouldn't even say he represents Oromos elites but he does represent his interests and his small groups. Oromia is closer to berbera, Djibouti and other Ports, if we need to access the sea to export our goods.
Eritrea would be for northern Ethiopian products and commodities, for the most part, and of course only usable through a fair deal (as opposed to this dangerous rhetoric).
I'll tell it like it is, and there's nothing that you can do about it.
He is beloved to who? He failed the country, he was feeding his pets better meals than what millions of Ethiopians, regardless of their ethnicity, ate.
Not to mention the gabbar-serf system that existed in his time. The Italians abolished during their short occupation of Ethiopia, and when haile selassie was brought back by his masters the british and etc, he didn't re-instate but it had little effect at that point on the local peasants.

Not to mention that like abiy and those before him, he was a puppet of certain countries.
He is known to have said ''we need eritrean land (ports) not the people,'' and now, decades later, we have a govt that is eyeing illegally taking eritrean lands/ports/etc; but of course we know Eritrea can defend itself with no issue.

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