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Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by DefendTheTruth » 18 Feb 2023, 09:35

It seems that Prof. Sossina Haile, who is accredited to having developed "the first solid acid fuel cells", has some explanation for the central message of the post I shared in the year 2016 in here.
If you believe in physics and the laws of physics, then there should be no free will. Everything was set at the Big Bang. All the matter and energy in the universe came to be, and everything that happens was preordained.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/culture/ ... 23.article


Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders?

There is "no free will" is technically equivalent to saying it it deterministic (as opposed to stochastic) and the part highlighted above simply implies that natural science is static, never changed since the beginning (the time of "Big Bang"), in my view, as such not dynamic rather static.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Axumezana » 18 Feb 2023, 12:36

The following is a simplified answer.

In Engineering 1+ 1 = 2

In social Science / politics 1+1 could be equal 1 or less than 1 or more than 1

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Union » 18 Feb 2023, 12:52

Agame tplf

Just because a dedebit graduate agame tplf is an idiot it does not mean everyone else is idiot too :lol:

DefendTheTruth wrote:
18 Feb 2023, 09:35
It seems that Prof. Sossina Haile, who is accredited to having developed "the first solid acid fuel cells", has some explanation for the central message of the post I shared in the year 2016 in here.
If you believe in physics and the laws of physics, then there should be no free will. Everything was set at the Big Bang. All the matter and energy in the universe came to be, and everything that happens was preordained.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/culture/ ... 23.article


Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders?

There is "no free will" is technically equivalent to saying it it deterministic (as opposed to stochastic) and the part highlighted above simply implies that natural science is static, never changed since the beginning (the time of "Big Bang"), in my view, as such not dynamic rather static.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Abere » 18 Feb 2023, 13:50

The universe or the physical world exists independent of human mind or mankind; however, social science/idea/ only exists in the mind of man. You could have dozens of either angelic/good or demonic or delusional or high spirited men - all of these reside in their mindset as their mind mirrored from their own world, often society. The mind of a new born baby is referenced as a blank sheet of white paper - if society writes some good stuff that baby will grow as good citizen; if on the contrary wrongly instilled such as what we see in Ethiopia ( where even leaders are thieves and tribalist) bad citizens. The scientist was trying to imply social contract. That is how the average society considers normal and acceptable. However, this in reality has not worked at societal level, always the hawks, the human beast preys upon the average humanity. It is a Utopian concept, not a realty. It is demagogue used by fake politicians to accuse of breaching the contract when leaders fail to deliver the promise per the contract. For instance, the odds of change of leadership in Africa by election is close to nothing while tearing the fake contract by gun is the most prevailing order.
DefendTheTruth wrote:
18 Feb 2023, 09:35
It seems that Prof. Sossina Haile, who is accredited to having developed "the first solid acid fuel cells", has some explanation for the central message of the post I shared in the year 2016 in here.
If you believe in physics and the laws of physics, then there should be no free will. Everything was set at the Big Bang. All the matter and energy in the universe came to be, and everything that happens was preordained.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/culture/ ... 23.article


Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders?

There is "no free will" is technically equivalent to saying it it deterministic (as opposed to stochastic) and the part highlighted above simply implies that natural science is static, never changed since the beginning (the time of "Big Bang"), in my view, as such not dynamic rather static.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Axumezana » 18 Feb 2023, 14:45

Ascari-Agame Union,
Sawa graduate!
Your comment only reveals your ignorance !
Do you know what mathematical modelling is?
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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by DefendTheTruth » 18 Feb 2023, 15:00

Axumezana wrote:
18 Feb 2023, 12:36
The following is a simplified answer.

In Engineering 1+ 1 = 2

In social Science / politics 1+1 could be equal 1 or less than 1 or more than 1
In fact that is what we call deterministic (the outcome is preknown), it can't and shouldn't deviate from the preknown /expected outcome. AI is an outgrowth of this concept, if we look closely at it.

In social science there is nothing that you can preknow, it all depends on the dynamics in the system. This is very important and the central message of what Prof. Sossina expressed as "everything that happens was preordained", I guess.


There is another aspect, which is also characteristic of natural science, it is static, it remained the same since Big Bang, if I may have understood her well.

In comparison the law (legal concept) we make in Ethiopia today, as an example, is based not what was there during the monarchy time in the country, or the socialist time for that matter. It is simply based on the current dynamics in the system.

If it was about natural science, then the law making might have remained one and the same ever since Ethiopia was created, because there is what we call principle. Nothing deviates from principle in the domain of natural science, in the case of social science, just refer to the recent state of affairs of your TPLF (well, this is not intended to be about politics but just to explain the idea more easily).

Cheers!

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by DefendTheTruth » 02 Jan 2025, 16:23

If you didn't get the message listen to this program, they are qualified natural science experts but they simply come in and spew more of panic to the public. They can't explain in a manner comprehensible for a layman like me, use the same used to deeply technical terms and concepts. Any policy maker who happened to have listened to their views, will not have a sleep today.


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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Abere » 02 Jan 2025, 16:45

DDT,

I have not listened to your YouTube. But political correctness and ethics are what holds scientists back from presenting the raw fact. Science is harnessed by so-called political correctness (aka Lie). You cannot be a great scientist by being at the same time a world class lair. Could you please point out some of the so-called successful leaders you know in history :mrgreen: I can tell you most of them must have been successful lairs, cheaters, with dark criminal history. The reason why the world remained brutally unjust is because of the successful lairs.


DefendTheTruth wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:23
If you didn't get the message listen to this program, they are qualified natural science experts but they simply come in and spew more of panic to the public. They can't explain in a manner comprehensible for a layman like me, use the same used to deeply technical terms and concepts. Any policy maker who happened to have listened to their views, will not have a sleep today.


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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by DefendTheTruth » 02 Jan 2025, 16:57

Abere wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:45
DDT,

Could you please point out some of the so-called successful leaders you know in history :mrgreen:


DefendTheTruth wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 16:23
If you didn't get the message listen to this program, they are qualified natural science experts but they simply come in and spew more of panic to the public. They can't explain in a manner comprehensible for a layman like me, use the same used to deeply technical terms and concepts. Any policy maker who happened to have listened to their views, will not have a sleep today.

ስኬት ማለት፣ ለምሳሌ ያህል፣ ለዘመናት የሻገተዉን ቤተ-መንግስት፣ ሄዶ አይቶ፣ ጎልጉሎ ና ሻጋታዉን አራግፎ፣ አዉጥቶ ለአለም መህበረሰብ ይሄዉላችዉ ብሎ ማሳየት መቻል ነዉ።

ስያሻግቱት ና ስያግማሙት የነበሩት ደግሞ በለመዱት አካሄድ፣ እንዴ ለምን እድፋችንን ትገፈናለህ ብሎ መወትወት ይጀምራሉ።

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by sesame » 02 Jan 2025, 17:07

DtT,

The way your PP clowns are crumbling, it won't be long when you will turn to the Lord. You will be singing Hale Luya!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Dama » 02 Jan 2025, 17:18

DefendTheTruth wrote:
18 Feb 2023, 15:00
Axumezana wrote:
18 Feb 2023, 12:36
The following is a simplified answer.

In Engineering 1+ 1 = 2

In social Science / politics 1+1 could be equal 1 or less than 1 or more than 1
In fact that is what we call deterministic (the outcome is preknown), it can't and shouldn't deviate from the preknown /expected outcome. AI is an outgrowth of this concept, if we look closely at it.

In social science there is nothing that you can preknow, it all depends on the dynamics in the system. This is very important and the central message of what Prof. Sossina expressed as "everything that happens was preordained", I guess.


There is another aspect, which is also characteristic of natural science, it is static, it remained the same since Big Bang, if I may have understood her well.

In comparison the law (legal concept) we make in Ethiopia today, as an example, is based not what was there during the monarchy time in the country, or the socialist time for that matter. It is simply based on the current dynamics in the system.

If it was about natural science, then the law making might have remained one and the same ever since Ethiopia was created, because there is what we call principle. Nothing deviates from principle in the domain of natural science, in the case of social science, just refer to the recent state of affairs of your TPLF (well, this is not intended to be about politics but just to explain the idea more easily).

Cheers!
I would say you understood her not to be right, that Science laws, theorems and theories are dynamic and evolving. Nature is dynamic, ever changing and evolving.

I would say she is on some of kind religious transformation, probably as a result of life changing trauma, menopause, aging reminding her of eminent death and the fear of the unknown that comes with it, or a love with an evangelist Christ of the Mormons or Pentes or Menonites. Or back to the EOC. She is obviously in the camp of the anti-evolutionary movement which states that there is a Great Power, the Great designer of the Universe, which states that like you're brithed by your parents, the Universe also has Creator. And that Power is God.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Dama » 02 Jan 2025, 17:32

The topic itself is a bias. There are many scientists, doctors and engineers who have been successful. Success in social leadership has little to do with your classroom studies.

Margaret Thatcher, PM of UK, was a Chemistry graduate.
Yaser Arafat was a Civil Engineering graduate. Dr. Augustino Neto of Angola was a medical doctor. Jimmy carter, the US President was a nuclear engineer and Nava Officer.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by DefendTheTruth » 02 Jan 2025, 17:45

Dama wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 17:32
The topic itself is a bias. There are many scientists, doctors and engineers who have been successful. Success in social leadership has little to do with your classroom studies.

Margaret Thatcher, PM of UK, was a Chemistry graduate.
Yaser Arafat was a Civil Engineering graduate. Dr. Augustino Neto of Angola was a medical doctor. Jimmy carter, the US President was a nuclear engineer and Nava Officer.
I didn't use the word "never", instead used "mostly" implying in the majority of the cases. You are naming instances without saying what their proportion to those from the fields of social science is.

To disprove my claim, you have to present the majority of the cases are in support of to the contrary to what I stated here.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Dama » 02 Jan 2025, 17:54

DefendTheTruth wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 17:45
Dama wrote:
02 Jan 2025, 17:32
The topic itself is a bias. There are many scientists, doctors and engineers who have been successful. Success in social leadership has little to do with your classroom studies.

Margaret Thatcher, PM of UK, was a Chemistry graduate.
Yaser Arafat was a Civil Engineering graduate. Dr. Augustino Neto of Angola was a medical doctor. Jimmy carter, the US President was a nuclear engineer and Nava Officer.
I didn't use the word "never", instead used "mostly" implying in the majority of the cases. You are naming instances without saying what their proportion to those from the fields of social science is.

To disprove my claim, you have to present the majority of the cases are in support of to the contrary to what I stated here.
Exactly you said that and understood to have said is Science is the cause for majority of attempts by engineering graduates to fail in social leadership. Name those scientists who failed in their leadership of society.

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Re: Why do Engineers mostly fail to be a successful social leaders? cont..d

Post by Dama » 02 Jan 2025, 18:16

She dropped science and wants us to believe miracles exist. She wants us to believe that the Ethiopian Security officers of the Derg, came to her family house, obviously to arrest her parents, especially her dad.
This has always been the routine for Mengistu. Those whom he wanted imprisoned and subsequently tried, arrested or executed, he would send his squad to 'Go, get him'. The security officer will come to your house fully prepared in case of resistance by the wanted.
At the gate of the house of the wanted, they will announce by a megaphone 'Ejihin sit" and "Don't resist, you will be killed". If you don't comply, they will shoot warning shots. If you shoot back, they will definitely kill you. If you're injured, and begged for your life, provided all the soldiers were calm and collected and no one was highly angry and kill you, you would be dragged to a jail, interrogated and most likely sentenced to death.
How is it that her father, wounded by the DERG security forces who had the mission of arresting or else finish him, bloodied and crawling at the Bole Airport, , obtained exit Visa, using his own Passport, travelling by the EAL was able to escape to London out of Addis?

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