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[Hawdian]

We shouldn't allow TPLF to invade others and threaten the elected Government of Ethiopia and likewise we should never accept Amhara militias inside Tigray.

The international community needs to support the withdrawal of Tigregu forces from Amhara and Afar.

All Amhara militia should be pulled back as well.

Talks between Gov and armed TPLF should include the establishment of green buffer zone between Amhara and Tigray and monitoring committee of Eritrea-Tigray borders.

The people of Tigray should not be collectively punished especially when for 27 years TPLF has dined and wined in Menelik Palace and only returned when Qeerro chased them out.

Average Tigregu has not benefited from TPLF just like the rest of Ethiopia.

The few institutions such as Mekelle University, schools across the region were established by Tigray Development Association not TPLF.

Future talks need to include the establishment of autonomous Tigray in similar fashion to Russia's Chechnya.

And the reason for that is Amhara doesn't accept other cultures, ethnicities and languages. Tigray has been at the forefront of that resistance and they will be picked on unfairly.

I understand the region. I know all the forces at work.

Tigray needs a security. All people deserve a sanctuary.

On their part, Tigray must pull back its fighters and come to the table with realistic and tangible demands including respect for their existence.


The Ras

[Horus]

Hawdian,

You are violating one of the scientific laws of evolution; ie, evolution selects qualities that provide a survival advantage. Tigrays have consciously selected behaviors that provide their survival advantage. That behavior is called war. You need to deeply contemplate on the driving motivation of the Tigray. As you well know the struggle for survival means that you may win or you may lose. That is why certain species are alive and others are extinct. Ethiopia is not the cause of Tigray suffering, Tigray is the cause of its own suffering and it is responsible to change its pathological behavior. Tigray is 100% responsible for everything that is taking place. No amount of political correctness can alter this fact.

[Fiyameta]

[DefendTheTruth]

Who are those demanding currently negotiating with TPLF? The moment we knew this demand is made, we also know who they are.

The bottom line, though, is that there will not be any good outcome without demanding for accountability FIRST.


The big damage made so far shouldn't be left unaccounted for.

[Hawdian]

Defend

TPLF is not going anywhere with this war. It's wasting some much lives and desperately needed resources.

Tigray itself will be divided.



They better negotiate for self rule within Ethiopia, a bit more than a kililstan.

[eden]

They better negotiate for self rule within Ethiopia, a bit more than a kililstan.

I think the people take this as acceptable. But TPLF leaders are spoiled so they want more and they believe it's doable. The problem is Addis wants direct rule. So people have no choice for now but to go on with TPLF although they know TPLF, at least few top leaders, is looking out for just themselves

[Blueshift]

Eden

You are under tremendous pressure. Abbiy won't invite TPLF for negotiations. Brace yourself. This is a long long one. I know you have been prostituting in this forum for a long time. You are one bi-tch who hates Eritrea to the core. You are deceitful. This time around, you are on the stove. Amharas are smelling blood. I don't see how Welqait, Humera... can be reversed back to Tigray. This will be the West Bank story. I have sympathy for the people of Tigray. But, people like you, you deserve it.

[DefendTheTruth]

They better negotiate for self rule within Ethiopia, a bit more than a kililstan.

I think the people take this as acceptable. But TPLF leaders are spoiled so they want more and they believe it's doable. The problem is Addis wants direct rule. So people have no choice for now but to go on with TPLF although they know TPLF, at least few top leaders, is looking out for just themselves

So, those who committed capital crime of treason should be given a better option than those who didn't, isn't it?

According to this line of thinking, the next time another body commits a similar or worse crime, we have to brace ourselves to give it more. This is the logic, isn't it?

[DefendTheTruth]

Defend

TPLF is not going anywhere with this war. It's wasting some much lives and desperately needed resources.

Tigray itself will be divided.



They better negotiate for self rule within Ethiopia, a bit more than a kililstan.

So, certain rogue elements of the society commits a high level crime of treason and then we have to contend ourselves at conceding more to the same entity, isn't it? Is there any precedence to your proposal, anyway?

I don't think Ethiopians, as proud people as they are, will ever commit themselves to such historical debacle and taint their proud history.

They have to demand accountability.

[Sadacha Macca]

Wait, who is ''we''? Tigrayans? Somali's, whom I am sure, couldn't care less about a region they do not share borders with, share trade with, etc?
I do agree that the Tigrayans, as a whole, do not deserve to be collectively punished for the transgressions of the TPLF, however, let's be brutally honest here: The TPLF shares a significant portion of the blame, in regards to who and what, brought about this calamitous war upon Tigray.
Out of pure greed, lust for loot and power, they and their allies, have committed war crimes throughout Ethiopia and the Horn, and have kept the various nations & nationalities marginalized for decades, denying them the basic right to elect their own leaders. Now, look at their predicament: surrounded by foes, that they themselves, created!
Not absolving The President of Eritrea, and perhaps, his strong, decades-long, desire for revenge against his foes in Tigray, of blame, of course.
Or the desire of the Amhara militias, and their allies, for revenge and to take back what they perceive to be their rightful lands [I am not taking sides on their border disputes, because we do not know for sure, who the land belongs to].
Or the desire of Abiy to become the next Emperor, unchallenged, for at least a decade or longer, and of course, this means he'd have to brutally crush any potential challengers- be it OFC/OLF/Tigray/or other, than them.


Also...It seems that the remaining TPLF elites, still retain these wild, nonsensical dreams of perhaps returning to power at the center, in Addis Ababa/Finfinne; while Abiy and co seem to want to completely subjugate Tigray and have them under the rule of Amhara, perhaps even using puppet parties to rule Tigray, similar to how the TPLF made puppet parties to rule Oromia and the various other states/regions of Ethiopia.
Ironic, ain't it? Ha!

[Hawdian]

Sadacha

These things are too complex for the average Oromo mind.

We invested in Eritrea for a reason. All 120m are land locked and we making it count in Djibouti, Berbera.

We funded TPLF and they did 30-40% of the objective including the federal system, etc.

They did betray us and Asmara and that's why we approve some punishment for them (TPLF not Tigray).

We will keep separate Tigray for future projects.

You focus on farming.

People don't work together or considered vital to a vision coz of shared borders.

What borders does US share with Israel?

You see why politics are not for Oromo?

[Sadacha Macca]

Hawdian,

Basically, you are a Tigrayan Cyber Cadre, posing as a Somali, since you advocate for Tigrayan's & TPLF, more than you do for Somali's.
There's nothing wrong with being a Tigrayan, but there is something sad and wrong, about trying to deceive others [and yourself].
You say ''We,'' when in fact, YOU as an individual, had NOTHING to do with Somalia's support for the EPLF, TPLF and other forces.


Basically, you are trying to make it appear as if you had some say, some relevance, in regards to why and how, Somalia backed those forces.
Also: EPLF and TPLF would've succeeded without Somalia's support, let's be honest here. I'm sure they appreciate the help, but it wasn't a deciding factor. Ethiopia, would've had to do business with the other countries ports anyway, it's a huge country.

Comparing US & Israel, two advanced super powers of the world, to under-developed Ethiopia and its states, is hilariously tragic, to say the least.
It's what we'd call, a false equivalence.

You say Oromo's are weak and irrelevant, blah blah, yet you cannot make a thread without mentioning us; isn't that indicative of how powerful they must be, that they occupy a part of your mind?

[Hawdian]

We only mention Oromo because they are supposedly the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia controlled by minorities.

When I talk about politics it's necessary to mention the Horn's ethnic dynamics same way you are stuck on me "being Tigray".

We, Somalis, backed them from day one coz we saw something in them and the Eritreans unlike Oromo.

Neither of them disappointed only if TPLF didn't get too greedy.

Now we are only showing the betrayal has consequences but we don't hate Tigray.

If they admit to their mistakes and apologize, we will be buddies again.

In fact, Tigregu make best friends in Ethiopia for Somalis coz socially we are much closer than any group along with the Eritreans.

We have nothing in common with Oromo and Amhara even on individual turfs. We don't even hang out but Tigregu is a different story.

So my point is Tigray will stay and they will step on the heads of Amhara and their Galla cannon fodder when needed.

Weakening them is a major boost for Amhara. I hope our Eritrean friends over come emotions and understand the devil you know is better than one you don't know or expect.

Oromo is just a foot soldiers for whoever is in Menelik Palace. Not worried about them. Quality over quantity.


Tigregu just need to remain inside and not give Amhara reasons to mass mobilize. Either way, we will support them when necessary and they learn from their mistakes. They thought they had brothers within the Habesha but Habesha gang raped them.

The Ras

[Sadacha Macca]

You mention an ''irrelevant group'' too much, for them to be as ''irrelevant'', as you portray them to be. I'd understand mentioning them when mentioning/or discussing the Horn or Ethiopia, but to always find a way to throw in a random Oromo insult in, shows your hatred a little too much, and fear too. It's you, by the way, not ''we.'' Unless, you've forgotten to mention that you've been elected to represent a specific government, country, ethnicity, etc.

I think, nay, I KNOW, that the Oromo must've done something that you disliked, or hated, perhaps part of it chasing your TPLF Tegdalay's back to Mekelle, that made you have this deep-seated hatred and fear, of the Oromo. As far as ''minorities,'' no, rather, it's the traitorous sellouts among us, who have led us to being subjugated, but this soon shall end, as we can all see, OLA/WBO is making great progress, despite the hatred and virtirol of some our sellouts, such as Obbo Defend-the-regime.

To repeat: There is no ''we,'' in the first place, you represent yourself as an individual, whether you be the TPLF Cyber Cadre that I & and others think you are, or a Somali brother. Unless, once again, you're somehow an elected representative of a specific ethnicity/government/clan/group/etc.
If that is not the case, then there is no ''We'', that you speak for, … you can only speak as, just Hawdian the individual.

Somali support, that you discuss here, wasn't crucial or that important, in regards to the TPLF/EPLF being as strong as they were. With or without it, they've would've succeeded, for sure.
The greatest amount of support they got, came from the populations within Ethiopia and Eritrea, that's where they drew their strength from, not to mention the very unwise decisions of Mengistu's regime, which lead to his soldiers being very demoralized, while fighting highly motivated guerrillas.

If by ''we'' will be buddies again, you mean, you as an individual and the TPLF, then sure, you have every right to be their ''buddy'' again.
Yeah, sure, I am sure that Somali's are so close to Tigrayans, since you guys share religion, historical ties, culture, etc. Right? Right!
Yeah sure, Somali's do not have relations or anything in common with groups they've been neighbors with, for centuries, but they do with groups they've never bordered, married with, went to war with, etc.
That makes sense. True, that. That's perfectly logical!

Basically, you fear unity of the two biggest groups in Ethiopia, and want Eritreans to help Tigrayans fight them both, since Tigrayans are cornered and surrounded on all sides-by enemies, that they've created for themselves. It's not that difficult to read between the lines and see who, and what, you advocate for.

[sun]

Wait, who is ''we''? Tigrayans? Somali's, whom I am sure, couldn't care less about a region they do not share borders with, share trade with, etc?
I do agree that the Tigrayans, as a whole, do not deserve to be collectively punished for the transgressions of the TPLF, however, let's be brutally honest here: The TPLF shares a significant portion of the blame, in regards to who and what, brought about this calamitous war upon Tigray.
Out of pure greed, lust for loot and power, they and their allies, have committed war crimes throughout Ethiopia and the Horn, and have kept the various nations & nationalities marginalized for decades, denying them the basic right to elect their own leaders. Now, look at their predicament: surrounded by foes, that they themselves, created!
Not absolving The President of Eritrea, and perhaps, his strong, decades-long, desire for revenge against his foes in Tigray, of blame, of course.
Or the desire of the Amhara militias, and their allies, for revenge and to take back what they perceive to be their rightful lands [I am not taking sides on their border disputes, because we do not know for sure, who the land belongs to].
Or the desire of Abiy to become the next Emperor, unchallenged, for at least a decade or longer, and of course, this means he'd have to brutally crush any potential challengers- be it OFC/OLF/Tigray/or other, than them.


Also...It seems that the remaining TPLF elites, still retain these wild, nonsensical dreams of perhaps returning to power at the center, in Addis Ababa/Finfinne; while Abiy and co seem to want to completely subjugate Tigray and have them under the rule of Amhara, perhaps even using puppet parties to rule Tigray, similar to how the TPLF made puppet parties to rule Oromia and the various other states/regions of Ethiopia.
Ironic, ain't it? Ha!

The question here is not about challenging but about forceful and violent overthrow of government just like the bygone dictators instead of learning a lesson or two and accept all the different generous and peaceful healing offers and becoming part of the new democratic process whether in the form of peaceful opposition and or arranging cooperation with the ruling party.

All these may be done now or in the coming elections after some decades. To say that, "me being once a rebel is always a rebel" and from this going forward despising and demeaning the government of the day whom the large majority of Ethiopians have come out and voted for in a free and fair election tells us and the world that Ethiopia and the Ethiopians have a legitimate acceptable government, regardless of what all these envious and jealous short sighted elements happen to think. They can challenge the PM peacefully and amicable at the end of his term because now Ethiopians want peace, development, employment , education, good health services and prosperity. For all these they have now given the mandate to the PM and his government.

Any power hungry disruptive violent group disturbing these popular wishes can not succeed in coming to power and winning the people to their side.

[sun]

We only mention Oromo because they are supposedly the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia controlled by minorities.

When I talk about politics it's necessary to mention the Horn's ethnic dynamics same way you are stuck on me "being Tigray".

We, Somalis, backed them from day one coz we saw something in them and the Eritreans unlike Oromo.

Neither of them disappointed only if TPLF didn't get too greedy.

Now we are only showing the betrayal has consequences but we don't hate Tigray.

If they admit to their mistakes and apologize, we will be buddies again.

In fact, Tigregu make best friends in Ethiopia for Somalis coz socially we are much closer than any group along with the Eritreans.

We have nothing in common with Oromo and Amhara even on individual turfs. We don't even hang out but Tigregu is a different story.

So my point is Tigray will stay and they will step on the heads of Amhara and their Galla cannon fodder when needed.

Weakening them is a major boost for Amhara. I hope our Eritrean friends over come emotions and understand the devil you know is better than one you don't know or expect.

Oromo is just a foot soldiers for whoever is in Menelik Palace. Not worried about them. Quality over quantity.


Tigregu just need to remain inside and not give Amhara reasons to mass mobilize. Either way, we will support them when necessary and they learn from their mistakes. They thought they had brothers within the Habesha but Habesha gang raped them.

The Ras

Ya udaan,

As a paid tplf agent please don't keep getting shy in your words but just advocate and propagate your dirty hate speech against Oromos in front of whom you feel inferior and diminutive bumself while turning to your tplf enslavers getting sexy, perfumed warm, twerking and offering striptease flirtation displays.

How do you know that Habesha gang raped them only on the basis of their own one sided tale tale propaganda? Who the fck are the Habesha? since they themselves are the head Habesha, if you may understand even what Habesha means. So, according to your dimwitted foolish argument you mean that Habesha gang raped Habesha? Very silly fairy tale and cheap hearsay propaganda to say the least. Hypocrite!

You can never be a Somali by any standard other than lying and whistling BIG both through your back and front. Somalis and Oromos have a lot in common right from the source up to the present. Even Oromo and Somali languages are almost similar because they share common origin. You are ONLY repeating the too familiar tplf ideology, that is to say "Essat enna Chid"(Fire and dry haystack) which you like Oromos to become. It is true that tplf wanted to make puppet fighters for them and even wanted to make out of the PM a dedicated obedient puppet just like his predecessor but with out success. The independent minded roaring LION OF Africa can only be independent and strong but nothing else. If you were really a real Somali you wouldn't have claimed your mad claims that Somalis have much in common with Tegarus than with Oromos. That already tells that you are a divisive tplf spy but nothing else.

"The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite!" ~T. Williams

[Hawdian]

Oromo brothers

Not sure why you are sweating over my opinion.

This is my view and recommendations to the leaders of Tigray, people, our Eritrean friends and the Somali people.

Tigray has to repent. Somalis have nothing against them and feeding them to Amhara is unacceptable.

I want Eritreans to put rivalry aside, emotions left in a cold shower and understand we need to plan for tomorrow. Africa is unpredictable place.

I don't know what Oromo want but certainly in my views they are not the best options.




The Ras

[Hawdian]

I explained last year.

Tegaru inside Tigray. Amhara inside Amhara and withdraw of Asmara.

International community agrees.

Take notes dear lads.

We want all forces to be equal and to co-exist.

Equal and opposite.