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[eden]

Abiy rejects inclusive peace talks, wants to see TPLF/ TDF only in South Africa

The TPLF/ TDF position favors inclusive talks.

Obasango is being asked to make talks more inclusive as various communities don’t feel represented. Leaders are saying we have to learn from the mistakes of Herman Cohen led London talks 30 years ago:

[Facts]

This is simple 15 minute task for Mr Obasanjo

TPLF surrender
TPLF leadership get life time in jail instead of death penalty
Tigray people immediately get expired USA wheat they have been missing

That’s it. Maybe they can do on Zoom even and DocuSign for signatures.

[euroland]

This is simple 15 minute task for Mr Obasanjo

TPLF surrender
TPLF get life time in jail instead of death penalty
Tigray people immediately get expired USA wheat they have been missing

That’s it. Maybe they can do on Zoom even and DocuSign for signatures.

Exactly

[DefendTheTruth]

eden,

I heard the following videos message and wanted to share it and came ob this forum but found your post.

Hilarious!

There is an Afan Oromo saying which goes like: ገላኒ ጋሉፍ ከኤ ስ ሂንኛቲን፣ ነምን ዱኡ ገኤ ስ ሂናረብሲን

It means something like: "let a receding flush-flood not sweep you with it, let someone who is nearing death not curse you.

Oromos think, if you are cursed by someone, there is a possibility to go to the person and beg for forgiveness (and take back the curse), but in case that person is nearing death, you don't have the opportunity for that.

I remembered about the saying after hearing about this so called tripple A, a rotten entity.

Is this the same entity which was trying to equate Ausschwitz with Wollega recently?

[Abe Abraham]

This is simple 15 minute task for Mr Obasanjo

TPLF surrender
TPLF leadership get life time in jail instead of death penalty
Tigray people immediately get expired USA wheat they have been missing

That’s it. Maybe they can do on Zoom even and DocuSign for signatures.

The Amharas have every right to demand that their interest be properly represented in South Africa but attempting to re-constitute the disgraced Woyane instrument known as EPRDF through the so-called " inclusive " formula is a crime and disrespectful, in the first place , to the sacrifices of the many Ethiopians in the fight against the fascists from Tigray.

Some people seem to have forgotten that there have already been elections in Ethiopia. No, Trump is not getting the position of K. Harris. Ok that is America but the principle is the same.

[Sam Ebalalehu]

አማራዎች በኢትዮጵያ መንግሥት ውሰጥ ውክልና አላቸው። እነዛ ወኪሎቻቸው ሰለ አማራ ኑሮ እና ፍላጎት ያውቃሉ አሜሪካ ውስጥ ካሉ ዐማሮች በላይ። መቸ ነው የ ዲያስፖራው ድንቁርና የሚያበቃው። ከኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ የተሻለ የገንዘብ ምንዛሪ ስላለው የጭንቅላትም ብልጫ አለኝ ብሎ ማሰብ የድንቁርና ምልክት ነው። የ ያሪድ ጥበቡ syndrome እለዋለሁ። ይህ የTPLF እና የምእራብ ደጋፊዎቹ የመጨረሻ ካርድ ነው። ይሀ ስድብ ነው። መልእክቱ ኢትዮጵያ የምትባል አገር የለችም only የ ትራይብስ ጥርቅም።
No, Abiy is mature enough not to fall for it.
በመጀመሪያ ከ ህወሓት ጋርም ቢሆን ድርድር አስፈላጊ አይደለም። ትጥቃቸውን ፈትተው ለ ENDF ለማስረከብ ደቡብ አፉሪካ መሄድ አያስፈልግም። ENDF ትግራይ ውስጥ ነው ያለው። ማስረከብ በቀላሉ ይቻላል።

[Fiyameta]

[Misraq]

The fool childish fake doctor PM will once again play by the book of Robert Green - 48 Laws of power. Abiy will push to make TPLF/TDF a junior partner and TPLF/TDF will accept that deal because a) they will chose survive and fight another day b) they see Amhara as their #1 enemy and they don't want welkait and raya to go away legally.

The Amhara delegates who made this move to be included in the peace talk made a smart and [ deleted ] move. Their request is legitimate considering what happened in london 30 years ago where only TPLF & OLF dictate matters. Abiy will not accept this even if Obasanjo and AU shove it to his mouth. But it will be a political move that will ignite Amhara cause against Abiy in the coming months.

[DefendTheTruth]

But it will be a political move that will ignite Amhara cause against Abiy in the coming months. [/color]

Hilarious indeed!

Ethiopians have crafted an agenda for the coming months and years, it is called separating the Ethiopian Farmers from the (their) Oxen through education.

Sam has told you that such actors are indeed boneheaded, filled with ፉሪ.

Even ABN (officially an opposition party in the country, with some level of representation of the Amhara people) has said: Not in my name!

When are you going to learn something in your life?

[Abe Abraham]

ኣንዳንድ የኣማራ ኤሊቶች በንግግሩ ( ድርድር ኣትበሉ ! ) ከምታገባቸው ባታገባቸው ይሻላል ምክንያቱ ኣስተሳሰባቸው ላማራ በጣም ኣደገኛ ስለሆነ።

እነዚህ ሰዎች ዋልቃይትና ጠገዴ የጎንደር ግዛት ተብሎ ብውስጡ ከሚልዮን በላይ ትግሬዎች ቢሰፍሩና ኣማራን በሱናሚኣቸው ቢያትለቀልቁት ቆንጆ ነገር ነው የሚል ኣስተሳሰብ ኣላቸው ። ( ህዝብ ከህዝብ ጥላቻ የለም ብለው ሲናገሩ በጣም ያስቁኛል ። ነገሩ የ '' ኣይ ላቭዩና ኣይ ላቭዩ ቱ " መስሎኣቸው እኮ ነው ። )

የፋኖና የመከላከያ ስራ ሊያበላሹ የሚያስቡ የኣማራ ኤሊቶች ጥቂት ኣይደሉም ። የድሮ የወያኔ ተባባሪ ኖሮ ኣሁንም ኣገር-ኣቀፍ ውይይት ኣድርጎ የኣብይን በህዝብ የተመረጠውን መንግስት ( በማቋሸሽ የኦሮሞ ተረኛ መንግስት ብሎ የሚጠራው!!! ) ከስልጣን ኣስለቅቆ በምትኩ ወያኔን መልሶ ወደ ኣዲስ እንዲያገባ የሚመኝ ያማራ ኤሊት ጥቂት ኣይደለም ። የኣንዳንድ የኣማራ ኤሊት ግለ-ሰቦች ዋነኛው ችግር ባንድ ቦታ ስክኖ ቁጭ ያለማለት ነው ። ይህ ደሞ ለኢትዮጵያና ለኣካባብያችን ትልቅ ፈተና ነው ።




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[Horus]

DTT,
ከላይ ያልከው አባባል (ተረት)፤ ባማርኛ " የሚያልፍ ዶፍ አይምታህ፣ የሚሞት ሽማግሌ አይርገምህ" ይባላል። ስለ ትግዕስት እና አንድን መጥፎ ገጠመኝ በብልሃት ስለማሳለፍ የተተረተ ዊዝደም ነው ። በነግራችን ላይ ኦሮምኝ ቋንቋ በግዕዝ ፊደል ሊጻፍ እንደ ሚቻል በማሳየትህ የቁቤ ተሙጋቾች ኦቦ ጎበና የሚል ታፔላ እንዳይለጥፉብህ!!!

[Abere]

____To be honest, he does not even need to be go South Africa. He could have called off the intent to ban ethnic federalism and illegal TPLF constitution so that every Ethiopian should come to the table to discuss and consult about the future of Ethiopia. I say because ethnic federalism and illegal TPLF/OLF constitution has already proven useless, lethal and defunct.

____ Rejecting inclusive talk such as proposed by Amhara representative is for Abiy Ahmed like sitting on ticking bomb. The cost will heavily for the country and his followers.

[Abere]

አማራዎች በኢትዮጵያ መንግሥት ውሰጥ ውክልና አላቸው። እንደት ሚልዮኖች አንተ የተገነዘብከውን ላይረዱት ወይም ሊሳሳቱ ቻሉ ብለህ ትንሽ መጠርጠር ለምን ተሳነህ? ይህ ሁሉ ህዝብ ይሳሳታል ማለት እራሱ ስህተት ነው። እነዛ ወኪሎቻቸው ሰለ አማራ ኑሮ እና ፍላጎት ያውቃሉ አሜሪካ ውስጥ ካሉ ዐማሮች በላይ። መቸ ነው የ ዲያስፖራው ድንቁርና የሚያበቃው። ከኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ የተሻለ የገንዘብ ምንዛሪ ስላለው የጭንቅላትም ብልጫ አለኝ ብሎ ማሰብ የድንቁርና ምልክት ነው። የ ያሪድ ጥበቡ syndrome እለዋለሁ። ይህ የTPLF እና የምእራብ ደጋፊዎቹ የመጨረሻ ካርድ ነው። ይሀ ስድብ ነው። መልእክቱ ኢትዮጵያ የምትባል አገር የለችም only የ ትራይብስ ጥርቅም።
No, Abiy is mature enough not to fall for it.
በመጀመሪያ ከ ህወሓት ጋርም ቢሆን ድርድር አስፈላጊ አይደለም። ትጥቃቸውን ፈትተው ለ ENDF ለማስረከብ ደቡብ አፉሪካ መሄድ አያስፈልግም። ENDF ትግራይ ውስጥ ነው ያለው። ማስረከብ በቀላሉ ይቻላል።ታድያ ለምን ተሄድ የተፈለገ ይመስልሃ? ለጥርጥሬህ መልስ ይሆንህ ዘንድ ይህን ጥያቄህን ፈትሽ አማራ እራሱን ወክሎ ልቅረብ የሚለውን ከመንቀፍህ በፊት።

[eden]

አማራዎች በኢትዮጵያ መንግሥት ውሰጥ ውክልና አላቸው። እነዛ ወኪሎቻቸው ሰለ አማራ ኑሮ እና ፍላጎት ያውቃሉ አሜሪካ ውስጥ ካሉ ዐማሮች በላይ። መቸ ነው የ ዲያስፖራው ድንቁርና የሚያበቃው። ይህ የTPLF እና የምእራብ ደጋፊዎቹ የመጨረሻ ካርድ ነው።

ጀነራል ተፈራ ማሞን ነው የወያኔና የምእራብ ተላላኪ የምትለን?

ሰለ አማራ ኑሮ እና ፍላጎት ያውቃሉ ያልከን ፋኖን ቁም ስቅል የሚያሳዩትን እነ ግርማ የሺጥላና አገኘው ተሻገርን መሆኑ ነው?

አማራም ኦሮሞም በመንግስት አልተወከለም ግን ከውታፍ ነቃይ የሚጠበቅን ነው ያልክ

[Sadacha Macca]

The fool childish fake doctor PM will once again play by the book of Robert Green - 48 Laws of power. Abiy will push to make TPLF/TDF a junior partner and TPLF/TDF will accept that deal because a) they will chose survive and fight another day b) they see Amhara as their #1 enemy and they don't want welkait and raya to go away legally.

The Amhara delegates who made this move to be included in the peace talk made a smart and [ deleted ] move. Their request is legitimate considering what happened in london 30 years ago where only TPLF & OLF dictate matters. Abiy will not accept this even if Obasanjo and AU shove it to his mouth. But it will be a political move that will ignite Amhara cause against Abiy in the coming months.

Time shall tell, but unless the tdf/tplf remnants, accept taking orders blindly from pm abiy and a third ranking position in the hierarchy of the PP, I doubt he'll accept them as a PP party member. Talking about 30 years ago, many things went wrong back then, but to blame others for the lack of Amara's being organized along ethnic lines is unjust bro. If Amara's were truly organized back then, as Amara's and not Ethiopians, the EPRDF could not have afforded to NOT include them in the negotiations. Amara's and Oromo's will forever be the two main backbones of the Ethiopian state. Not to discount the role the other Ethiopian nations & nationalities played historically, of course.
The truth is, the Amara were not organized as Amara nationalists, they were still Ethiopian nationalists, via the EPDM that eventually became ANDM after they joined the EPRDF.
Who are they proposing to represent Amara's though? I am genuinely curious.



Abere,
Which Ethiopians should be at the negotiations? All of them? All 100+ million of them, or just the ones that YOU like and approve of, personally?
You tend to make vague, non-detailed statements. You should elaborate and go into detail, if you truly believe in what you post.
Can OLF then be there, since it still has popularity in Oromia? Can TDF/TPLF represent Tigrayans or should they get a new prosperity puppet party to represent them? Can the ONLF be there to represent Somali's? Or, nah?
As far as the constitution and federalism goes, you're wasting your time talking about dismantling it. For the foreseeable future, it's gonna be the form of governance that Ethiopia uses, despite its flaws. All forms of governance are inherently flawed, since they're created by inherently flawed beings, humans. Maybe in the very distant future, when things change, God willing for the better in Ethiopia, we may see a new form of governance; but it won't be any time soon. Like it or not, it's best to come to terms with the truth. It is what it is.

[Misraq]

But it will be a political move that will ignite Amhara cause against Abiy in the coming months. [/color]

Hilarious indeed!

Ethiopians have crafted an agenda for the coming months and years, it is called separating the Ethiopian Farmers from the (their) Oxen through education.

Sam has told you that such actors are indeed boneheaded, filled with ፉሪ.

Even ABN (officially an opposition party in the country, with some level of representation of the Amhara people) has said: Not in my name!

When are you going to learn something in your life?

This is the mistake most Ethiopians make. You see, you are ok to negotiate with Tigres and down played when Amharas made a statement that says "our interest will not be met by non-amharas". Why would you chose to put a ticking timebomb that will put us all into caos and then backwardness. There is a serious issue, disagreement and feud between Tigres and Amharas (eventhough that is one directional for the most part). This conflict manifested itself in such a way when TPLF chose to connect itself to sudan claiming historical Amhara land i.e Welkait in which countless Amharas gave their life from the get go (45 years). And new we have recent episodes where tigres went all the way to debere-sina and commited crimes unheard in the country's history. Amharas contributed over 300,000 militiats and fanos for this cause and we all know that without them entering into the picture, TPLF would have walked into Addis just like it did in 30 years ago. Therefore, an attempt to make a deal with TPLF without Amharas being included will sow the seed for future conflicts in the country. you need to be smarter than what you are now

[sun]

Abiy rejects inclusive peace talks, wants to see TPLF/ TDF only in South Africa

The TPLF/ TDF position favors inclusive talks.

Obasango is being asked to make talks more inclusive as various communities don’t feel represented. Leaders are saying we have to learn from the mistakes of Herman Cohen led London talks 30 years ago:

Please Amhara extremist lunatics be ware that you would have been history at the hands of the tplf, weizero eden included, if it were not for the Ethiopian government and the Ethiopian defense forces where Oromos Amharas and all the other Ethiopian nations and nationalities are represented and participating fully.

Typical extremist amhara chauvinists saying, "what is mine is mine as well as what is yours is also mine" greedy selfish strategy and falling to the devious traps anti Ethiopian ragtag conspirators. The more the negotiation doors are made open to all kinds of chest pumping noisy jolly jacks the less will it become successful.

What weizero eden the tplf cadre means by inclusive talks is the same old tplf story, meaning that all the Ethiopian tribes come together to be included and under the tplf leadership as before form a competing parallel outlaw government by force with out any election instead of facing justice for all of its crimes after being soon disarmed.

Why is the tplf making these endless wars? It because the tplf got outraged due to the fact that Amharas have been elevated to the governing elites while tplf itself resigned from the parliament and government institutions and run away back to Makale hoping to come back with full force for the same shooting and looting practices. It can only do that by eliminating Amhara governing group and replacing them with that of the tplf governing group.

Just coming out to the public as usual to claim what does not concern them, knowing very well that Amharas are very well represented by the ruling Amhara party. Fck off chauvinists and keep away from the negotiation issues so that the elected government and the tplf hammer out the sticky issues. If you can't stand the curious, the envy and the jealousy levels in connection with the negotiation just take some bananas and eat them for lowering your killing tension levels. Okay? Okay!!

[sun]

አማራዎች በኢትዮጵያ መንግሥት ውሰጥ ውክልና አላቸው። እነዛ ወኪሎቻቸው ሰለ አማራ ኑሮ እና ፍላጎት ያውቃሉ አሜሪካ ውስጥ ካሉ ዐማሮች በላይ። መቸ ነው የ ዲያስፖራው ድንቁርና የሚያበቃው። ከኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ የተሻለ የገንዘብ ምንዛሪ ስላለው የጭንቅላትም ብልጫ አለኝ ብሎ ማሰብ የድንቁርና ምልክት ነው። የ ያሪድ ጥበቡ syndrome እለዋለሁ። ይህ የTPLF እና የምእራብ ደጋፊዎቹ የመጨረሻ ካርድ ነው። ይሀ ስድብ ነው። መልእክቱ ኢትዮጵያ የምትባል አገር የለችም only የ ትራይብስ ጥርቅም።
No, Abiy is mature enough not to fall for it.
በመጀመሪያ ከ ህወሓት ጋርም ቢሆን ድርድር አስፈላጊ አይደለም። ትጥቃቸውን ፈትተው ለ ENDF ለማስረከብ ደቡብ አፉሪካ መሄድ አያስፈልግም። ENDF ትግራይ ውስጥ ነው ያለው። ማስረከብ በቀላሉ ይቻላል።

Well said indeed!

[Horus]

እኔ ሆረስ ዐይነ ብርሃን ሁሌም እንደ ምለው ጦርነት በአመጽ የሚካሄድ ፖለቲካ ነው። የጦርነት ትግል ተደርጎ አንዱ ወገን ካሸነፈ፣ ያ አሸናፊ ወገን የፖለቲካውን ሽልማት ይወስዳል። እኛ ድርድር የምንለው ቃል ፈረንጆች ትሪቲ ይሉታል፤ አሸናፊና ተሸናፊ ተስልጣንና ሃብት እንደየ አቅማቸው ድልድል የሚያደርጉበት የውሳኔ ስብሰባ ማለት ነው። ስለሆነም በጦርነቱ ውስጥ የሚካፈሉት ወይም የተካፈሉት ሁሉ በዚህ ድልድል ላይ መገኘት አለባቸው ። ተሸናፊም በሽንፈቱ ልክ ይከፍላል፤ አሸናፊዎችም እንደ አቅማቸው ይሸለማሉ ። ይህ ሳሆን ቢቀር እንደ ገና ባሸናፊዎች መሃል አዲስ ጦርነት ይነሳል ማለት ነው። ዛሬ ላይ የትግሬ ድምበርተኛ አማራ ሆኖ ሳለ፣ በተደጋጋሚ በትግሬ የሚወረረው አማራ ሆኖ ሳለ፣ አማራ በድርድሩ ላይ አይወከልም ማለት በኦሮሞና አማራ መሃል ያለው የፖለቲካ ሰላማዊ ትግል ወደፊት ወደ አመጻዊ ትግል (ጦርነት) እንዲያድግ ማስተላለፍ ማለት ነው። አማራ እንደ አማራ በጦርነቱ ከተካፈለ፣ በጦረንቱ መደምደሚያ ድርድር ላይም መቀመጡ የግድ ይላል!!!

[sun]

እኔ ሆረስ ዐይነ ብርሃን ሁሌም እንደ ምለው ጦርነት በአመጽ የሚካሄድ ፖለቲካ ነው። የጦርነት ትግል ተደርጎ አንዱ ወገን ካሸነፈ፣ ያ አሸናፊ ወገን የፖለቲካውን ሽልማት ይወስዳል። እኛ ድርድር የምንለው ቃል ፈረንጆች ትሪቲ ይሉታል፤ አሸናፊና ተሸናፊ ተስልጣንና ሃብት እንደየ አቅማቸው ድልድል የሚያደርጉበት የውሳኔ ስብሰባ ማለት ነው። ስለሆነም በጦርነቱ ውስጥ የሚካፈሉት ወይም የተካፈሉት ሁሉ በዚህ ድልድል ላይ መገኘት አለባቸው ። ተሸናፊም በሽንፈቱ ልክ ይከፍላል፤ አሸናፊዎችም እንደ አቅማቸው ይሸለማሉ ። ይህ ሳሆን ቢቀር እንደ ገና ባሸናፊዎች መሃል አዲስ ጦርነት ይነሳል ማለት ነው። ዛሬ ላይ የትግሬ ድምበርተኛ አማራ ሆኖ ሳለ፣ በተደጋጋሚ በትግሬ የሚወረረው አማራ ሆኖ ሳለ፣ አማራ በድርድሩ ላይ አይወከልም ማለት በኦሮሞና አማራ መሃል ያለው የፖለቲካ ሰላማዊ ትግል ወደፊት ወደ አመጻዊ ትግል (ጦርነት) እንዲያድግ ማስተላለፍ ማለት ነው። አማራ እንደ አማራ በጦርነቱ ከተካፈለ፣ በጦረንቱ መደምደሚያ ድርድር ላይም መቀመጡ የግድ ይላል!!!

Any way for you as a pathological tribalist lunatic baboon everything happens through your tribalist decadent out looks. You can't even reform your views in the face of realities. This war takes place between the Ethiopian government and the tplf outlaws even if this is strange for you. By the same logic the negotiations, if any needs to take place between the legitimate Ethiopian government and the illegitimate tplf.

Amharas are already almost over represented to say the least because Amharas hold the position of deputy Prime minister and full scale foreign minister position practically leading all the foreign diplomatic missions, briefings, negotiations, strategies both at home and abroad. That in fact is what makes the tplf increasingly outraged and enraged at the same time. Keep going with your nonsensical phrase mongering empty garbage talks. Try to grab your own portion of daily bananas if you can because there is no free meal for you!