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ዘመነ ካሴ ካልተፈታ አንፈተንም? የጂግጂጋ ተማሪዎችም በጠበጡ?

Post by Horus » 11 Oct 2022, 14:06

በአዋሳ ኮሾ ድልድይ መፍረስ አንድ ልጅ ሞተ! በጣም ያሳዝናል !! አዋሳ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ለሟች ቤተሰብ ከፍተኛ ካሳ እንዲከፍል መደረግ አለበት ! ይኒቨሪሲው ኢንጅንሮችም መቀጣት አለበት ።



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Post by Tiago » 11 Oct 2022, 14:52

Comprehensive registration of engineers is good for the nation.in the UK engineering students must pass examinations by (CIOB) chartered institute of building other than college /university examination in order to get license to practice.
No student is allowed to in engage in engineering employment without licences issued by the various engineering institutes .the case in Ethiopia is absolute irresponsibility and joke.[/ size]

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Post by Horus » 11 Oct 2022, 15:17

መሃንዲሶችን ላይሰንስ ማድረግ ብቻ ሳይሆን ብሄራዊ ቢልዲንግ ኮድ ያስፈልጋል ። ይህኮ እጅግ የሚያሳfር ነው ። የፈረሰው አንድ ኮምፕሌክስ የሆነ ፎቅ እስታክቸር አይደለም፣ ትንሽዬ የግር ድልድል ነው ። ያ ድልድይ ስንት ክብደት መሸክመ እንደ ሚችል ማስላትት ያልቻለ ይኒቨርሲቲ ነው ለመላው አገር መሃንዲሶ የሚያመርተው ። It is so ironic that an event that meant to correct bad education system itself became a victim of that failed education system - truly ironic! Some estimate that about 80% of current ground + buildings may not pass serious structural testing such as minor earth quakes. በቅርቡ መርካቶ አዳራሽ ጎን የመንግስት ኪራይ መጋዘን ተደርምሶ ስንት ሰው ሞተ። መንግስት ባኤመርጅኒ ደረጃ የህንጻዎች structural soundness inspection መጀመር አለበት!

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Post by Abere » 11 Oct 2022, 15:42

ሆረስ፥

ይህን ሳትሰማ የምትቀር አይመስለኝም። ከተፈሪ መኮነን ወይም ተግባረ ዕድ ጨረሱ ወይም ልምድ የቀሰሙ ግንበኛ እና አናጢዎች ምርጥ ተቋራጭ ሁነው የዩኒቨርስቲ ቴክኖሎጅ ምሩቃንን እንዳስናቋቸው።

ደግሞስ የባህል ወገሻዎች ከአንዳንዶቹ የጥቁር አንበሳ ሃኪሞችን።


የትምህርት ጥራት እና ደረጃ መጠበቅ አለበት። ትምህርት በኢትዮጵያ የደረጃ ብቃት የሚያረጋግጥ ከመንግስት እና የፓለቲካ ፓርቲ ያልተለጠፈ ገለልተኛ ዘላቂ ድርጅት መኖር አለበት። ከተቻለ በአንዳንድ የሙያ ድግሪዎች ላይ የተለየ የደረጃ ብቃት ማረጋገጫ የሚሰጥ ከመንግስት ገለልተኛ የሆነ ድርጅት ያስፈልጋል። መንግስት ከትምህርት ውስጥ እጁን መቆጣጠር አለበት። ለትምህርት ብልሽት ተጠያቂው ፓለቲካ እና መንግስት ነው። መንግስት ሲቀየር ጥራቱ እንደ አየር ጠባይ እየተቀያየር ይበላሻል።

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Post by Right » 11 Oct 2022, 17:09

It is the system.
The culture of education is f””ked up in Ethiopia. Some blamed the Derg and others the Weyannies.

Look up by generations.
Most of the Ethiopian elites today who bragged about being educated avoided the hard courses (Engineering and hard science).

Instead they engage in soft courses. History, economics, philosophy, political science, home economics etc

The old, old generations of Ethiopia- engineer Taddesse, engineer Hailu Shawel, Engineer Melaka, Dr Asrat etc thrived not only in Ethiopia but also in Africa. When you are educated in hard science - your contributions has no limits and where ever you go. You will never think of driving a taxi in DC or a political nut job in Ethiopia.

That mentality has to change. For that to change the system has to change.

Come on! Dr Gidaso, Dr Aregawi Berhie, Dr Merara Gudina, Dr Abiye Ahmed to list a few. They have one thing in common: their thesis is about the politics of ethnicity in Ethiopia. There is nothing wrong with that but the intention is clear. Grab political power in Ethiopia or else drive a taxi in the west.

With these kind of people the nation will never get out of poverty and corruptions.

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Post by Educator » 11 Oct 2022, 20:09

Not only the culture of education, but also it definition is changed in Ethiopia. When a student graduates from university, it means he/she is ready to learn. But in Ethiopia they think putting the gowns means the student completed learning and will be designated Engineer, Architect and so many professional names and goes out and act as an expert without even knowing the basics of the field.
Architects in Ethiopia don't even know where a bed should be in a bedroom, they have no idea of elevator sizes, and no understanding of furniture dimensions. Similarly, engineers have no clue about soil capacity, structural design, construction methods, and quality of materials. What is unfortunate is that they don't even know how to prepare bill of quantity.
And because of their designations installed on them, they never learn or listen to the traditional skilled laborers.

And most of all, they belittle anyone they work for, the customer, if he/she tries to educate them, assuming customers have no engineering or architectural knowledge unless a degree of such field is flaunted in their face.
Right wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 17:09
It is the system.
The culture of education is f””ked up in Ethiopia. Some blamed the Derg and others the Weyannies.

Look up by generations.
Most of the Ethiopian elites today who bragged about being educated avoided the hard courses (Engineering and hard science).

Instead they engage in soft courses. History, economics, philosophy, political science, home economics etc

The old, old generations of Ethiopia- engineer Taddesse, engineer Hailu Shawel, Engineer Melaka, Dr Asrat etc thrived not only in Ethiopia but also in Africa. When you are educated in hard science - your contributions has no limits and where ever you go. You will never think of driving a taxi in DC or a political nut job in Ethiopia.

That mentality has to change. For that to change the system has to change.

Come on! Dr Gidaso, Dr Aregawi Berhie, Dr Merara Gudina, Dr Abiye Ahmed to list a few. They have one thing in common: their thesis is about the politics of ethnicity in Ethiopia. There is nothing wrong with that but the intention is clear. Grab political power in Ethiopia or else drive a taxi in the west.

With these kind of people the nation will never get out of poverty and corruptions.

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Post by Horus » 11 Oct 2022, 20:39

አበረ
"ከተቻለ በአንዳንድ የሙያ ድግሪዎች ላይ የተለየ የደረጃ ብቃት ማረጋገጫ የሚሰጥ ከመንግስት ገለልተኛ የሆነ ድርጅት ያስፈልጋል" ብለሃል። ይህ ከተቻለ አይደለም ማንኛውም ስርዓተ ብቃት ወይም ብቃት ገዝ (ሜሪቶክራቲክ) ሲስተም የሚለካበትና ሰርቲፋይ የሚያደርገው ነጻ የሊቃውንት አካል ወይም ተቋም ይፈልጋል ። ባለም ላይ ያሉ ተቀባይነት ያላቸው ፕሮፌሽናል የሚባሉ ሙያዎች ሁሉ ሰርቲፊኬሽን ይፈልጋሉ ነጻ በሆነ አክሬዲቲሽን አካል፣ ይህ እራሱ ይኒቨርሲቲውን ይጨምራል ። ኢትዮጵያ አገር ውስጥ ይህን ማድረግ ካልቻለች አለም አቀፍ አክሬዲቴሽን ተቋማትን መጠቀም ትችላለች ። እነዚህ በገንዘብ የምትቀጥራቸው ሳይንቲስቶች ፣ መሃንዲሶሽ፣ ሃኪሞች ልሂቃን ናቸው ። አንድን ካሪኩለም፣ ይዘቱን ማስተማሪያ ዘዴን ፣ ላቦራቶሪውንና ፕሮሲጀሩን ጥራት ኢንሶኤክት አድርገው ማርክ ይሰጣሉ ። ስለዚህ የምትለው ነገር ቢቻል ሳይሆን ሰው የምንሆን ከሆነ በግድ ያን ማድረግ አለብን ።

ስለ ተፈሪ መኮንን ካነሳህ እኔ እዚያ ስማር የንግድና ተግባረ እድ ት/ቤቶችን ይጨምር ነበር ። እዚያ በኮሜርሻል ትምህርት የተመረቀ ጓድኛዬ የልማት ባንክን ማኔጅ እስከ ማድረግ ደርሶ ነበር። እዚያ የተማርነው ትምህርት አሜሪካን አገር ጁኒየር ኮሌጆች አታስተምሩትም ነበር ! ያው እንደ ሚባለው ሲያረጅ አያምርም፣ ደርግ ና ወይኔ ሁሉንም አፈረሱት !

አሁን አቢይ ጸንቶ ብርሃኑ የጀመረውን እንዲጨርስ ከተወው ተማሪ ወደ ትምህርቱ፣ ገበሬ ወደ እርሻው፣ ወታደር ወደ ዉጊያው ወደ ሙያው ይገባል ቀስ በቀስ ! ፈተና አልፈተንም ያለ መብቱ ነው ። ኮሌጅ ግን ሊገባ እንደ ማይችል መንገር ነው ። ዘንድሮ የወደቀ እንደ ገና እምሮ ይፈተን

There is no free lunch! There is no free ride! Ditto.

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Post by Selam/ » 11 Oct 2022, 20:51

የወልቂጤ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ስላልሆነ የጭቃ ጅራፉን አመጣኸው።

ለምን ድልድዩ ተሰበረ ብሎ መጠየቅ አይቀድምም ፣ ከ12,000 ኪሎሜትር ርቀት ሶፋ ላይ ቁጭ ብሎ ወንጀለኛውንም ቅጣቱንም ከመወሰን?
Horus wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 14:06
በአዋሳ ኮሾ ድልድይ መፍረስ አንድ ልጅ ሞተ! በጣም ያሳዝናል !! አዋሳ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ለሟች ቤተሰብ ከፍተኛ ካሳ እንዲከፍል መደረግ አለበት ! ይኒቨሪሲው ኢንጅንሮችም መቀጣት አለበት ።



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Post by sun » 11 Oct 2022, 21:07

Right wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 17:09
It is the system.
The culture of education is f””ked up in Ethiopia. Some blamed the Derg and others the Weyannies.

Look up by generations.
Most of the Ethiopian elites today who bragged about being educated avoided the hard courses (Engineering and hard science).

Instead they engage in soft courses. History, economics, philosophy, political science, home economics etc

The old, old generations of Ethiopia- engineer Taddesse, engineer Hailu Shawel, Engineer Melaka, Dr Asrat etc thrived not only in Ethiopia but also in Africa. When you are educated in hard science - your contributions has no limits and where ever you go. You will never think of driving a taxi in DC or a political nut job in Ethiopia.

That mentality has to change. For that to change the system has to change.

Come on! Dr Gidaso, Dr Aregawi Berhie, Dr Merara Gudina, Dr Abiye Ahmed to list a few. They have one thing in common: their thesis is about the politics of ethnicity in Ethiopia. There is nothing wrong with that but the intention is clear. Grab political power in Ethiopia or else drive a taxi in the west.

With these kind of people the nation will never get out of poverty and corruptions.
You may keep making your usual fcked up and banal qererto lyrics about the so called "good quality education" during your tyrannical nafatgna education policy of the kings, which exclusively favored the sons and daughters of leading narrow neftegan clicks who used one language, one culture, tyrannical rule and in that way excluded the majority of Ethiopians by making Amaharic language compulsory and a must to pas if aspiring for higher education. This then in a situation where the Amhara elites for whom speaking amharic starts wile they are in their mother's wombs, all the way through all the educational and professional ladders in life.

Somali speakers, Oromiffa speakers, Guragigna speakers, Tigrigna speakers etc,Ethiopians were just left out and kept far behind out of education, out of politics, out of governance, out of sights in many cases, even in their own cases. This is not accidental neftegna elite's educational policy but deliberate segregationist and exclusitionist educational policy made to prepare for exclusive political and governance roles.

Many thanks for the current government now that the scope of education is being democratized and expanded to reach all regions and all citizens broadly while free food in schools are also being introduced for the fist time in Ethiopian history in 3000 years and making all the children and students in all schools feel Ethiopian because it is mothering them . :P

Contrariwise that is also why the bygone regime fcked up system loving Neftegna faaggas are opening their big mouth wide and barking day and night because in their own words they hate the democratization of educational system meant to reach all Ethiopians. Where is that wanbade aleqa kassie to go and put back things in order before he may follow the foot steps of Asamminachew Tsigachew?
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Post by Horus » 11 Oct 2022, 21:18

Selam/ wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 20:51
የወልቂጤ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ስላልሆነ የጭቃ ጅራፉን አመጣኸው።

ለምን ድልድዩ ተሰበረ ብሎ መጠየቅ አይቀድምም ፣ ከ12,000 ኪሎሜትር ርቀት ሶፋ ላይ ቁጭ ብሎ ወንጀለኛውንም ቅጣቱንም ከመወሰን?
Horus wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 14:06
በአዋሳ ኮሾ ድልድይ መፍረስ አንድ ልጅ ሞተ! በጣም ያሳዝናል !! አዋሳ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ለሟች ቤተሰብ ከፍተኛ ካሳ እንዲከፍል መደረግ አለበት ! ይኒቨሪሲው ኢንጅንሮችም መቀጣት አለበት ።



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selam,
በህይወትህ እውቀት ከሚባለው ነገር ጋር ትተዋወቅ እንደ ሆን አላቅም ፤ የሆነ ምራብ አገር እንደ ምትኖር እግምታለሁ ! ላንተ ያለኝ ምክር ከሳይኮሎጂስት ጋር ትንሽ ብትማከር እመክርሃለሁ ። ቀስ በቅስ የጉራጌ ሳይኮሲስ ዲሶኦርደር ሲንድረም ውስጥ እየተዘፈቅህ ነው ። ካላመንከኝ አዋቂ አናግርና ተመለስ ። እራስክን መርምር! ስለአዋሳ ኮሾ ድርድይ የተለጠፈልህን የምሃንዲሱን ንግግር ስማ። ቀስ በቀስ እስከነ ኢሹህ ወደ ባሌገነት እየወረድክ ነው ።

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Post by Selam/ » 11 Oct 2022, 21:22

Ethiopian Architects & Engineers can’t practice without a license. Small projects are exempted from that requirement as is the case here in the United States. Of course, there is already a structural code in Ethiopia if that’s what you meant by ብሄራዊ ቢልዲንግ ኮድ. Building code in the sense used in North America goes above and beyond the engineering aspect. Adopting that kind of code for specific commercial buildings is a possibility but it’s impractical to standardize single family homes & small commercial buildings. It would result in another layer of bureaucracy and technocracy. It would be analogous to the failed standardization & controlling attempts of so-called ”informal” economy in many developing countries.




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11 Oct 2022, 15:17
መሃንዲሶችን ላይሰንስ ማድረግ ብቻ ሳይሆን ብሄራዊ ቢልዲንግ ኮድ ያስፈልጋል ። ይህኮ እጅግ የሚያሳfር ነው ። የፈረሰው አንድ ኮምፕሌክስ የሆነ ፎቅ እስታክቸር አይደለም፣ ትንሽዬ የግር ድልድል ነው ። ያ ድልድይ ስንት ክብደት መሸክመ እንደ ሚችል ማስላትት ያልቻለ ይኒቨርሲቲ ነው ለመላው አገር መሃንዲሶ የሚያመርተው ። It is so ironic that an event that meant to correct bad education system itself became a victim of that failed education system - truly ironic! Some estimate that about 80% of current ground + buildings may not pass serious structural testing such as minor earth quakes. በቅርቡ መርካቶ አዳራሽ ጎን የመንግስት ኪራይ መጋዘን ተደርምሶ ስንት ሰው ሞተ። መንግስት ባኤመርጅኒ ደረጃ የህንጻዎች structural soundness inspection መጀመር አለበት!
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Post by sun » 11 Oct 2022, 21:38

Horus wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 14:06
በአዋሳ ኮሾ ድልድይ መፍረስ አንድ ልጅ ሞተ! በጣም ያሳዝናል !! አዋሳ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ለሟች ቤተሰብ ከፍተኛ ካሳ እንዲከፍል መደረግ አለበት ! ይኒቨሪሲው ኢንጅንሮችም መቀጣት አለበት ።



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"ዘመነ ካሴ ካልተፈታ አንፈተንም?" :lol: :lol:

Totally idiotic indeed!

May be the cursed local amahara extremist Nefegnas are causing troubles for themselves and the others. The authorities need to filter out all of those negtegan amara extremist bandits and send them home while all the non extremist non neftegnas students should go and take exams peacefully. Or else ato Abdi Ille may deal wit them like always.

These extremist neftegna bandits are copying the old tplf infiltration policy and disturbing student lives here and there. They have nothing good to offer them but poverty and backwardness.
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Post by Selam/ » 11 Oct 2022, 21:40

አሁንም ጉራጌ ጉያ ገባህ?

ስለማታውቀው ነገር አትቀባጥር። ድፍን ስለሆንክ ነው እንጂ፣ መጠየቅ የነበረብህ የዲዛይንና ኢንጂነሪንግ ችግር ነው ወይስ የግንባታ ግድፈትና የጥራት ቁጥጥር እጥረት ነው ወይ ብለህ ነበር። ከአቅሙ በላይ የሰው ጭነት በዝቶበት ከሆነ ደግሞ፣ ብርሃኑ ነጋም ጉዱ ፈላ ማለት ነው።
Horus wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 21:18
Selam/ wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 20:51
የወልቂጤ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ስላልሆነ የጭቃ ጅራፉን አመጣኸው።

ለምን ድልድዩ ተሰበረ ብሎ መጠየቅ አይቀድምም ፣ ከ12,000 ኪሎሜትር ርቀት ሶፋ ላይ ቁጭ ብሎ ወንጀለኛውንም ቅጣቱንም ከመወሰን?
Horus wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 14:06
በአዋሳ ኮሾ ድልድይ መፍረስ አንድ ልጅ ሞተ! በጣም ያሳዝናል !! አዋሳ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ለሟች ቤተሰብ ከፍተኛ ካሳ እንዲከፍል መደረግ አለበት ! ይኒቨሪሲው ኢንጅንሮችም መቀጣት አለበት ።



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selam,
በህይወትህ እውቀት ከሚባለው ነገር ጋር ትተዋወቅ እንደ ሆን አላቅም ፤ የሆነ ምራብ አገር እንደ ምትኖር እግምታለሁ ! ላንተ ያለኝ ምክር ከሳይኮሎጂስት ጋር ትንሽ ብትማከር እመክርሃለሁ ። ቀስ በቅስ የጉራጌ ሳይኮሲስ ዲሶኦርደር ሲንድረም ውስጥ እየተዘፈቅህ ነው ። ካላመንከኝ አዋቂ አናግርና ተመለስ ። እራስክን መርምር! ስለአዋሳ ኮሾ ድርድይ የተለጠፈልህን የምሃንዲሱን ንግግር ስማ። ቀስ በቀስ እስከነ ኢሹህ ወደ ባሌገነት እየወረድክ ነው ።

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Post by Educator » 11 Oct 2022, 23:03

It is depressing and shameful to see Amhara in deep sleep while Jijiga struggles for Zemene kasse.
Horus wrote:
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በአዋሳ ኮሾ ድልድይ መፍረስ አንድ ልጅ ሞተ! በጣም ያሳዝናል !! አዋሳ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ለሟች ቤተሰብ ከፍተኛ ካሳ እንዲከፍል መደረግ አለበት ! ይኒቨሪሲው ኢንጅንሮችም መቀጣት አለበት ።

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Post by Union » 11 Oct 2022, 23:35

Brother Right,

Absolutely! Who is going to hire wahabi abiy if he goes outside of Ethiopia. He has no tangible work expriance or skills that can produce anything useful let alone Engineering, science or any other production work.
Right wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 17:09
It is the system.
The culture of education is f””ked up in Ethiopia. Some blamed the Derg and others the Weyannies.

Look up by generations.
Most of the Ethiopian elites today who bragged about being educated avoided the hard courses (Engineering and hard science).

Instead they engage in soft courses. History, economics, philosophy, political science, home economics etc

The old, old generations of Ethiopia- engineer Taddesse, engineer Hailu Shawel, Engineer Melaka, Dr Asrat etc thrived not only in Ethiopia but also in Africa. When you are educated in hard science - your contributions has no limits and where ever you go. You will never think of driving a taxi in DC or a political nut job in Ethiopia.

That mentality has to change. For that to change the system has to change.

Come on! Dr Gidaso, Dr Aregawi Berhie, Dr Merara Gudina, Dr Abiye Ahmed to list a few. They have one thing in common: their thesis is about the politics of ethnicity in Ethiopia. There is nothing wrong with that but the intention is clear. Grab political power in Ethiopia or else drive a taxi in the west.

With these kind of people the nation will never get out of poverty and corruptions.

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Post by Tiago » 12 Oct 2022, 01:13


Somali speakers, Oromiffa speakers, Guragigna speakers, Tigrigna speakers etc,Ethiopians were just left out and kept far behind out of education, out of politics, out of governance, out of sights in many cases, even in their own cases. This is not accidental neftegna elite's educational policy but deliberate segregationist and exclusitionist educational policy made to prepare for exclusive political and governance roles.
Sun

ውሸታም የቁላ ቆራጭ ልጅ

አማርኛ የኢትዮጽያ ብሔራዊ ቇንቇ ነው ወደድክም ጠላህም

የኦነግና የህዋት ፓለቲካ በጥላቻና በጎሣ ላይ የተመሠረተ የበታችነትን የሚያንፀባርቅ በሽታ ነው

I remember one of your so-called educated gallas arguing Amharic is colonialist language imposed on his people. this was at SOAS (university of London) where he was asked to come up with his written language. obviously,they were expecting something unique .."Aaffaann oorroommoo :lol: :lol: :lol:
well,his presentation was ridiculed and scolded by Africans and Caribbeans . the lecturer's belittling remark was the icing on the cake that the amhara hating, ugly faced galla never recovered and ended up in mental institution (The Maudsley Hospital ) in south london.

karma is a bi--tch. ha ha

My advice to you lot is stop chewing the fat blaming neftegna.come up with progressive ideas.
do not miseducate the young generation.

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Oct 2022, 07:16

በለው በለው - ሟቹንም ቋሚውንም ቀጠቀጥካቸው እኮ።

እሺ እንዳልከው የኢትዮዽያ የትምህርት ሲስተም ውዳቂ ነው፣ ከፕ/ር አሥራትና ሆረስ ወዲህ የትምህርት ሥልጠና ያገኙት ሁሉ ውዳቂዎች ናቸው እንበል። ያ ማለት እኮ አንተም የውዳቂ ውዳቂ ነህ ማለት ነው። አይ አይደለሁም ካልክ ደግሞ፣ እዚህ ተደብቀህ ከማሽሟጠጥ ሌላ ምን አስተዋፅዖ አድርገሃል ችግሩን ለመቅርፍ?

ቁጭ ብሎ ማማትም እኮ ከሶፍትም ኮርሶ፣ የልፍስፍስ ኮርስ ውጤት ነው።

Most of the Ethiopian elites today who bragged about being educated avoided the hard courses (Engineering and hard science).

What does that even mean? What’s hard course & what’s soft course? And why should everyone be educated in engineering? The late Gidaso was a historian and Gudina an economist. Why do you want them to study engineering?

የፃፍከው ሁሉ ቅራቅንቦ፣ አንተ ቅራቅንቦ!
Right wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 17:09
It is the system.
The culture of education is f””ked up in Ethiopia. Some blamed the Derg and others the Weyannies.

Look up by generations.
Most of the Ethiopian elites today who bragged about being educated avoided the hard courses (Engineering and hard science).

Instead they engage in soft courses. History, economics, philosophy, political science, home economics etc

The old, old generations of Ethiopia- engineer Taddesse, engineer Hailu Shawel, Engineer Melaka, Dr Asrat etc thrived not only in Ethiopia but also in Africa. When you are educated in hard science - your contributions has no limits and where ever you go. You will never think of driving a taxi in DC or a political nut job in Ethiopia.

That mentality has to change. For that to change the system has to change.

Come on! Dr Gidaso, Dr Aregawi Berhie, Dr Merara Gudina, Dr Abiye Ahmed to list a few. They have one thing in common: their thesis is about the politics of ethnicity in Ethiopia. There is nothing wrong with that but the intention is clear. Grab political power in Ethiopia or else drive a taxi in the west.

With these kind of people the nation will never get out of poverty and corruptions.

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Oct 2022, 07:27

የተፈሪ መኮንን ዘመን ውጤት ሆነህ ሹካ ማንካ ቆጠራና ፉክክር ውስጥ መግባትህ ያሳፍራል። እዚህ ተለጥፈህ ከማማት ለምን ችግሩ አለበት ቦታ ወርደህ መፍትሄ ለመፈለግ አትረዳም? ችግርን መጠቆም፣ ይህ ቢደረግ ያ ቢደረግ እያሉ ማሽሟጠጥንማ ያች ሽንኩርት ሻጯ አገረደችም ተክናበት ነበር።
Horus wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 20:39
አበረ
"ከተቻለ በአንዳንድ የሙያ ድግሪዎች ላይ የተለየ የደረጃ ብቃት ማረጋገጫ የሚሰጥ ከመንግስት ገለልተኛ የሆነ ድርጅት ያስፈልጋል" ብለሃል። ይህ ከተቻለ አይደለም ማንኛውም ስርዓተ ብቃት ወይም ብቃት ገዝ (ሜሪቶክራቲክ) ሲስተም የሚለካበትና ሰርቲፋይ የሚያደርገው ነጻ የሊቃውንት አካል ወይም ተቋም ይፈልጋል ። ባለም ላይ ያሉ ተቀባይነት ያላቸው ፕሮፌሽናል የሚባሉ ሙያዎች ሁሉ ሰርቲፊኬሽን ይፈልጋሉ ነጻ በሆነ አክሬዲቲሽን አካል፣ ይህ እራሱ ይኒቨርሲቲውን ይጨምራል ። ኢትዮጵያ አገር ውስጥ ይህን ማድረግ ካልቻለች አለም አቀፍ አክሬዲቴሽን ተቋማትን መጠቀም ትችላለች ። እነዚህ በገንዘብ የምትቀጥራቸው ሳይንቲስቶች ፣ መሃንዲሶሽ፣ ሃኪሞች ልሂቃን ናቸው ። አንድን ካሪኩለም፣ ይዘቱን ማስተማሪያ ዘዴን ፣ ላቦራቶሪውንና ፕሮሲጀሩን ጥራት ኢንሶኤክት አድርገው ማርክ ይሰጣሉ ። ስለዚህ የምትለው ነገር ቢቻል ሳይሆን ሰው የምንሆን ከሆነ በግድ ያን ማድረግ አለብን ።

ስለ ተፈሪ መኮንን ካነሳህ እኔ እዚያ ስማር የንግድና ተግባረ እድ ት/ቤቶችን ይጨምር ነበር ። እዚያ በኮሜርሻል ትምህርት የተመረቀ ጓድኛዬ የልማት ባንክን ማኔጅ እስከ ማድረግ ደርሶ ነበር። እዚያ የተማርነው ትምህርት አሜሪካን አገር ጁኒየር ኮሌጆች አታስተምሩትም ነበር ! ያው እንደ ሚባለው ሲያረጅ አያምርም፣ ደርግ ና ወይኔ ሁሉንም አፈረሱት !

አሁን አቢይ ጸንቶ ብርሃኑ የጀመረውን እንዲጨርስ ከተወው ተማሪ ወደ ትምህርቱ፣ ገበሬ ወደ እርሻው፣ ወታደር ወደ ዉጊያው ወደ ሙያው ይገባል ቀስ በቀስ ! ፈተና አልፈተንም ያለ መብቱ ነው ። ኮሌጅ ግን ሊገባ እንደ ማይችል መንገር ነው ። ዘንድሮ የወደቀ እንደ ገና እምሮ ይፈተን

There is no free lunch! There is no free ride! Ditto.

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Post by Right » 12 Oct 2022, 07:42

S,
Just look at your Dr Birr. A trained economist his first step after graduation was visiting Melese Zenawi for a job. He was rejected. And then he went through joining 5 political parties, spent a decade and half of his life in Africa’s North Korea at a hotel named Niyala surrounded by young women and scotch while faking Armed struggle. Today he is serving a tribal leader and system he pretended to oppose. You know it EZEMA is not an opposition party.

And look at Dr Aregawi Berhe. The same [deleted]. A founder of TPLF, he killed so many officers and robbed Ethiopian banks before he fled the country after being rejected by TPLF. What did he study in Norway? About Ethnic politics in Ethiopia. He talks about democracy endlessly but he is leading a group right political party. In his late 70s finally he is serving the country he hates under Abiye Ahmed.

The list goes on. And these are the old generations who has never worked a real job in their life, yet they are now part of the the problem in their retirement age.

Follow the link: Dr Abiye, Eng Takele, Eng Yilekal, Eng bla bla, Dr bla bla - all they want to do with their fake degree in Ethiopia is politics. They want be in charge without earning it.

MOLACHA LEBA.

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Oct 2022, 08:52

You’re idiot!

Why didn’t you then advise Birhanu to study engineering, not economics? And what should have Takele studied?

It’s a good thing to have government officials with various educational backgrounds. Angela Merkel studied physics; Donald Trump economics; Xi Jinping chemical engineering; Emmanuel Macron philosophy; Rand Paul Pediatrics, etc.

What’s your own educational background?
Right wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 07:42
S,
Just look at your Dr Birr. A trained economist his first step after graduation was visiting Melese Zenawi for a job. He was rejected. And then he went through joining 5 political parties, spent a decade and half of his life in Africa’s North Korea at a hotel named Niyala surrounded by young women and scotch while faking Armed struggle. Today he is serving a tribal leader and system he pretended to oppose. You know it EZEMA is not an opposition party.

And look at Dr Aregawi Berhe. The same [deleted]. A founder of TPLF, he killed so many officers and robbed Ethiopian banks before he fled the country after being rejected by TPLF. What did he study in Norway? About Ethnic politics in Ethiopia. He talks about democracy endlessly but he is leading a group right political party. In his late 70s finally he is serving the country he hates under Abiye Ahmed.

The list goes on. And these are the old generations who has never worked a real job in their life, yet they are now part of the the problem in their retirement age.

Follow the link: Dr Abiye, Eng Takele, Eng Yilekal, Eng bla bla, Dr bla bla - all they want to do with their fake degree in Ethiopia is politics. They want be in charge without earning it.

MOLACHA LEBA.

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