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[Zack]

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

[Abere]

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

[Misraq]

Zack is right to some extent i.e 20% of it. the huge majority of the issue i.e 80% of it is Agames and Gallas inferiority complex on Amhara, its history, culture, language, folklore, music, medieval achievement and for constructing a country which we now call it Ethiopia. I am of the thinking that even if Amharas fullfill what Zack said, i.e focus on their Amharaness only, Gallas and Agames won't leave amharas alone. This includes some inferiority riden midget beher-beheresebs except Gurage, Afar, Somali and Gambella

[Zack]

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

i am in Ethiopian by law as long as Shinile is part of the so called Ethiopia minilik created
Then i am Ethiopia , but i am not an Ethiopian out of choice that is right


Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

Zack is right to some extent i.e 20% of it. the huge majority of the issue i.e 80% of it is Agames and Gallas inferiority complex on Amhara, its history, culture, language, folklore, music, medieval achievement and for constructing a country which we now call it Ethiopia. I am of the thinking that even if Amharas fullfill what Zack said, i.e focus on their Amharaness only, Gallas and Agames won't leave amharas alone. This includes some inferiority riden midget beher-beheresebs except Gurage, Afar, Somali and Gambella

Good that we agree Dear Jimmy we always understand each other on these issues its true though that the agames and the gallas wont leave u alone even if u turn into saint , But u can get the support of the other ethiopians ethnics minus the gallas and the agames then

Dr Zackovich

[Abere]

So, if you claim to be an Ethiopian citizen you speak and write in Amharic? The national language of the country like English is in the USA and UK.

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

i am in Ethiopian by law as long as Shinile is part of the so called Ethiopia minilik created
Then i am Ethiopia , but i am not an Ethiopian out of choice that is right


Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

I can make my self very understandible in Amharic that is true ask Misraq

Dr Zackovich

[Sadacha Macca]

Agame brother Zack,

Who even uses the term Abyssinian these days? No one.
You're talking about a nonexistent term yet expect to be taken seriously. At least put some thought into your posts and try to make sense.
Just like any nation, Including mines the Oromo, you have extremists amongst Amara's, and you have decent people amongst the Amara's. It's quite simple.




Agame sister miss rock, the wannabe gumuz Amara:

Amara culture and language was dominant, true, but.... There is no Ethiopia now without Oromo and Oromia, nor then when it was constructed, without the Oromo soldiers who participated in the menelik wars of expansion. Meneliks life was protected by Oromo warriors when he escaped from Magdala and didn't even have an army. I can go on and on, with facts, that refute your silly and nonsensical comments. Try harder next time.

Amara's, at that time, were identifying more with their province, (There was gojjam, Gondar, Shoa, etc.), there wasn't an overall pan Amara nationalism. Amara nationalism used to be Ethiopian nationalism but it has recently separated from Ethiopian nationalism and is becoming a separate entity.
Hence the reason why meneliks Shoa Oromo allies helped him defeat his gojjam Amara and gojjam Oromo competitors for power.

[kerenite]

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

Selam abere,
To begin with, I hate to involve myself into the fuucked up ethio affairs but at times I do.

Now.....

You are telling zack not to indulge himself into ethio internal affairs while he is not an ethiopian and he should stay out of ethio internal affairs.

Well and good!

Come on! show your teeth and tell the eritreans here in this forum same as you said to Zack. Same as him they are foreigners. Scared of them? Lol

Whether you like it or not, your forum is under the full control of higdef and you ethios are scared of them.

[Zack]

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

Selam abere,
To begin with, I hate to involve myself into the fuucked up ethio affairs but at times I do.

Now.....

You are telling zack not to indulge himself into ethio internal affairs while he is not an ethiopian and he should stay out of ethio internal affairs.

Well and good!

Come on! show your teeth and tell the eritreans here in this forum same as you said to Zack. Same as him they are foreigners. Scared of them? Lol

Whether you like it or not, your forum is under the full control of higdef and you ethios are scared of them.

Well said kerenite


But I think he shares the same ideology with the hgdef folks because of their same stance against tplf and Tigray that’s why he gives them free pass to get involved in Ethiopia internal affairs so but a good catch you are sharp


Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

Selam abere,
To begin with, I hate to involve myself into the fuucked up ethio affairs but at times I do.

Now.....

You are telling zack not to indulge himself into ethio internal affairs while he is not an ethiopian and he should stay out of ethio internal affairs.

Well and good!

Come on! show your teeth and tell the eritreans here in this forum same as you said to Zack. Same as him they are foreigners. Scared of them? Lol

Whether you like it or not, your forum is under the full control of higdef and you ethios are scared of them.

Well said kerenite


But I think he shares the same ideology with the hgdef folks because of their same stance against tplf and Tigray that’s why he gives them free pass to get involved in Ethiopia internal affairs so but a good catch you are sharp


Dr Zackovich

[Misraq]

Why is this even your business? You said you are not an Ethiopia, if I am correct? Since you are not Ethiopia, we will take the opposite of your suggestion.

When Amhara becomes Amhara and not Abyssinian is the only way that Ethiopia can co exist that amhara is not more then galla sidama somali Tigray , but a normal stake holder . The Empire building mentallity needs to end with in Amhara
Thats why Amhara cant get along with any one except with the gurage sidekick.. The Amhara has issue with Tigray with Afar with the galla and all the others , this can only be solved if Amhara sings a tone lower. And that is if Ethiopia will remain or co exist in the future.


Dr Zackovich

Selam abere,
To begin with, I hate to involve myself into the fuucked up ethio affairs but at times I do.

Now.....

You are telling zack not to indulge himself into ethio internal affairs while he is not an ethiopian and he should stay out of ethio internal affairs.

Well and good!

Come on! show your teeth and tell the eritreans here in this forum same as you said to Zack. Same as him they are foreigners. Scared of them? Lol

Whether you like it or not, your forum is under the full control of higdef and you ethios are scared of them.

Brother Abere is not scared of anyone. Eritreans are allies now. They respect us and we respect them. in short, we co-operate for a common good. When you co-operate for a common good, your relationship is smooth. And also lets not forget that Agames worked with Eritreans to get to Addis. So we are just following the rules of the game they brought to the table. We don't want to be more saint than them telling Eritreans to stay away from our affair . If agames did it, why not us? can you answer that?

[Noble Amhara]

Abysinnian Gojame Ras Teklehaymanot conquered Macha and just like Menelik found loyalists that helped him conquer Jimma and Kaffa. Its funny how you want to hide that fact and rename all the Machas as "Gojame Oromo"

[Misraq]

Agame brother Zack,

Who even uses the term Abyssinian these days? No one.
You're talking about a nonexistent term yet expect to be taken seriously. At least put some thought into your posts and try to make sense.
Just like any nation, Including mines the Oromo, you have extremists amongst Amara's, and you have decent people amongst the Amara's. It's quite simple.




Agame sister miss rock, the wannabe gumuz Amara:

Amara culture and language was dominant, true, but.... There is no Ethiopia now without Oromo and Oromia, nor then when it was constructed, without the Oromo soldiers who participated in the menelik wars of expansion. Meneliks life was protected by Oromo warriors when he escaped from Magdala and didn't even have an army. I can go on and on, with facts, that refute your silly and nonsensical comments. Try harder next time.

Amara's, at that time, were identifying more with their province, (There was gojjam, Gondar, Shoa, etc.), there wasn't an overall pan Amara nationalism. Amara nationalism used to be Ethiopian nationalism but it has recently separated from Ethiopian nationalism and is becoming a separate entity.
Hence the reason why meneliks Shoa Oromo allies helped him defeat his gojjam Amara and gojjam Oromo competitors for power.

Honourable Obo Sadaccha,

When i refer to the galla, i don't mean principled oromos like you. Yes you are right Menilik wouldn't have gotten where he got without the support of Oromos. But me and you know damn well that those Oromos who created modern Ethiopia with Menilik are being insulted as bandas day and night by the gallas. The gallas are the uncivilized ones who are always working to destroy civilization than improving it. Decent Oromos who worked with Menelik made their huge finger/foot print on the state creation and as a result of that, a huge section of hybrid society (Amhara & Oromo) with Ethiopianist identity. The gallas are against Amhara and against these natural melting pot society. They are out to regress the progress made the last 800 years and particularly the last 150 years. No one can satisfy these galla breed because they are always uncivilized in their thinking and actions.

[Noble Amhara]

Misrak

The heroes who created Ethiopia were from the Shewan Dynasty which included Amhara Tulama and Gurage. Meneliks dynasty was based in Shewa so he had loyalists from Gurage areas as well

But people like Hararghe Arsi Bale Welega completly hated the Shouan Dynasty here is one evidence

Oromo Nationalists claim all of adwa generals are their ethnic so why did they destroy Ras WoldeMikael statue in Harar?

As I told you they are lying about creating Ethiopia Hararghe oromo did not partake in Ethiopias history so did Welega that is why they became envious and hate all things Ethiopian especially Welegans

And also if Menelik had so many Oromo soldiers how did they kill 5 million Oromos oromos go explain !

[Tiago]

Why is hard for some ethnocentric persons to learn a thing or two while living in multicultural countries as immigrants/refugees?

[Abere]

@kerenite:

____I am not scared of anybody, but I only fear Creator, God. You said ,"show your teeth and tell the eritreans here in this forum same as you said to Zack." Well, I read couple of Eritrean brothers and sisters name in this forum, I know why they are here. The reason is they have significant border and land dispute issue along the Tigray province. That means they have stake in the modalities how this conflict will be resolved. Unfortunately, Tigray being ruled by TPLF complicated and intensified the problem. From the TPLF perspective, many TPLF activists wanted to exclude them from the forum while really this is unwise ( this temper tantrum, we should raise above this); but for several Ethiopians as long as there is civility, sound debate and the discussion is with in the limit of mutual respect and tolerance limit, I do not see the need to show our teeth. We are human beings we should show our minds, not our canines. That was why even many are suggesting if any peace negotiation is taking place, Eritrea has to be part of this and so has to be Amhara, Afar. The relation between Ethiopians and Eritreans is very intrinsic and natural, it is very delicate.

_____ Regarding my inquiry of Zack's nationality, as far as I could remember all his comments are against the existence of Ethiopia. He hold the same opinion as TPLF, he shares the idea as if Amhara were the enemy. Such philosophy is an alien imported thinking implanted in the political thinking of TPLF and its like. If there is a sovereign country to exist there has to be a national culture, language, and sense of Ethiopianess. This is true in every country of the world. Zack's advice is to deprive of Ethiopia this endowment and wealth, he aspired to a Babylon. Being against Amhara all the time, which is a demographic majority, is so chronic against the very existence of Ethiopia itself.

[Abere]

Because it is their source of income, otherwise they very well know tribalism is anti-humanity. When they live abroad, they say "Thank you" to everyone for a every little thing. When they go to their country of origin (Ethiopia) they need body guard, like Jawar Mohammed who was the reason for a the inhumane upside-down hanging and the death of a young innocent man. Ethnocentrism is the license for the diaspora people ( whether they graduated from Harvard or work at convenient store in the main street). Look how they shut up their mouth (those where despising it) and working with Abiy Ahmed in Addis Ababa while they see OLF is slaughtering innocent people everywhere even in Addis Ababa , Burayu.

Why is hard for some ethnocentric persons to learn a thing or two while living in multicultural countries as immigrants/refugees?

[Sadacha Macca]

Agame brother Zack,

Who even uses the term Abyssinian these days? No one.
You're talking about a nonexistent term yet expect to be taken seriously. At least put some thought into your posts and try to make sense.
Just like any nation, Including mines the Oromo, you have extremists amongst Amara's, and you have decent people amongst the Amara's. It's quite simple.




Agame sister miss rock, the wannabe gumuz Amara:

Amara culture and language was dominant, true, but.... There is no Ethiopia now without Oromo and Oromia, nor then when it was constructed, without the Oromo soldiers who participated in the menelik wars of expansion. Meneliks life was protected by Oromo warriors when he escaped from Magdala and didn't even have an army. I can go on and on, with facts, that refute your silly and nonsensical comments. Try harder next time.

Amara's, at that time, were identifying more with their province, (There was gojjam, Gondar, Shoa, etc.), there wasn't an overall pan Amara nationalism. Amara nationalism used to be Ethiopian nationalism but it has recently separated from Ethiopian nationalism and is becoming a separate entity.
Hence the reason why meneliks Shoa Oromo allies helped him defeat his gojjam Amara and gojjam Oromo competitors for power.

Honourable Obo Sadaccha,

When i refer to the galla, i don't mean principled oromos like you. Yes you are right Menilik wouldn't have gotten where he got without the support of Oromos. But me and you know damn well that those Oromos who created modern Ethiopia with Menilik are being insulted as bandas day and night by the gallas. The gallas are the uncivilized ones who are always working to destroy civilization than improving it. Decent Oromos who worked with Menelik made their huge finger/foot print on the state creation and as a result of that, a huge section of hybrid society (Amhara & Oromo) with Ethiopianist identity. The gallas are against Amhara and against these natural melting pot society. They are out to regress the progress made the last 800 years and particularly the last 150 years. No one can satisfy these galla breed because they are always uncivilized in their thinking and actions.

When you use the offensive term ''Galla,'' you are insulting us all, as a group; without exception.
That's how we Oromo's perceive it, at least. If you dislike, or even hate, some individuals who happen to be of Oromo descent; then make it clear that you're against their thoughts, beliefs, etc. Otherwise, you're not better than them, or the extremist agames like noble agame aka present aka right, who pretend to be what they're not in real life. At least you give the Oromo some credit in building the modern Ethiopian state, while noble agame is full of so much hate, partly due to the oromo playing a big role in chasing tplf back to mekelle; that he refuses to give the Oromo's any credit.
But, that's okay, because the truth remains the truth, regardless of the insults of others; and the truth is, Oromo warriors played a huge role in making Ethiopia and Menelik himself depended mostly on them, even before he rose to power and built a strong force.

[Noble Amhara]

Agame brother Zack,

Who even uses the term Abyssinian these days? No one.
You're talking about a nonexistent term yet expect to be taken seriously. At least put some thought into your posts and try to make sense.
Just like any nation, Including mines the Oromo, you have extremists amongst Amara's, and you have decent people amongst the Amara's. It's quite simple.




Agame sister miss rock, the wannabe gumuz Amara:

Amara culture and language was dominant, true, but.... There is no Ethiopia now without Oromo and Oromia, nor then when it was constructed, without the Oromo soldiers who participated in the menelik wars of expansion. Meneliks life was protected by Oromo warriors when he escaped from Magdala and didn't even have an army. I can go on and on, with facts, that refute your silly and nonsensical comments. Try harder next time.

Amara's, at that time, were identifying more with their province, (There was gojjam, Gondar, Shoa, etc.), there wasn't an overall pan Amara nationalism. Amara nationalism used to be Ethiopian nationalism but it has recently separated from Ethiopian nationalism and is becoming a separate entity.
Hence the reason why meneliks Shoa Oromo allies helped him defeat his gojjam Amara and gojjam Oromo competitors for power.

Honourable Obo Sadaccha,

When i refer to the galla, i don't mean principled oromos like you. Yes you are right Menilik wouldn't have gotten where he got without the support of Oromos. But me and you know damn well that those Oromos who created modern Ethiopia with Menilik are being insulted as bandas day and night by the gallas. The gallas are the uncivilized ones who are always working to destroy civilization than improving it. Decent Oromos who worked with Menelik made their huge finger/foot print on the state creation and as a result of that, a huge section of hybrid society (Amhara & Oromo) with Ethiopianist identity. The gallas are against Amhara and against these natural melting pot society. They are out to regress the progress made the last 800 years and particularly the last 150 years. No one can satisfy these galla breed because they are always uncivilized in their thinking and actions.

When you use the offensive term ''Galla,'' you are insulting us all, as a group; without exception.
That's how we Oromo's perceive it, at least. If you dislike, or even hate, some individuals who happen to be of Oromo descent; then make it clear that you're against their thoughts, beliefs, etc. Otherwise, you're not better than them, or the extremist agames like noble agame aka present aka right, who pretend to be what they're not in real life. At least you give the Oromo some credit in building the modern Ethiopian state, while noble agame is full of so much hate, partly due to the oromo playing a big role in chasing tplf back to mekelle; that he refuses to give the Oromo's any credit.
But, that's okay, because the truth remains the truth, regardless of the insults of others; and the truth is, Oromo warriors played a huge role in making Ethiopia and Menelik himself depended mostly on them, even before he rose to power and built a strong force.