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Abere,
You nailed it. It is important to ask who created the Amahara PP(ADP), when and by who. Connect all the dots and it will take you to TPLF and EPRP. Admittedly, Amahara haters and anti Ethiopia. The founding members of ADP - Andargachew Tsigie, Yared Tibebu, Tamrat layne, Bereket Simon, Addisu Legesse are all ex EPRPs. Where? The name Assimba comes to the picture. The EPRP was lured to Assimba by design, from there it never survived.
For peace to come to Ethiopia, and for the region to stabilize both PP and TPLF has to be eradicated. To eradicate those two, you have to go down to the puppets. The puppets, PP Amahara, PP Oromo etc and uproot them at the grassroots level.
The Amharas has to lead this struggle. Fighting at the war front alone against the TPLF won’t take the struggle far, instead it will give the upper hand to one faction against the other. The struggle has to start at the grassroots level with two main goals. 1) to eradicate the TPLF and PP 2) the creation of transitional government (5 years) with a mandate to draft a new constitution and facilitate a national election. Just an idea.

[Abere]

Horus,

Absolutely, this is the big elephant in the room. This war is a war between TPLF and Amhara. This does not need any brain power. Why would TPLF fight with Abiy Ahmed who is the chairperson of OLF-PP? What has Abiy Ahmed changed that TPLF disliked? Nothing. The issue between TPLF and OLF-PP is an argument, not a conflict. There is NO contradiction of purpose between TPLF and OLF-PP. Their disagreement is procedural and is about who should take the front seat. However, there is an irreconcilable conflict between Tigre-TPLF and the Amhara mass, and in fact many other ethnic groups such as Gurage because they are inherently against parochial, tribal and egoism and culturally are altruistic to the sovereignty the country.

በወያኔ እና በዐብይ አህመድ የሚመራው ኦነግ-ብልጽግና የዐላማ ልዩነት ሳይሆን የአፈጻጸም እና የስልጣን አያያዝ ዙር ሂደት ጭቅጭቅ እንጅ ግጭት እና ጦርነት አይደለም። ጉዳዩ እንደት አድርገን ኢትዮጵያዊ ነን የሚሉት ጎሳዎች በተለይም አማራን እንደፈጥጠዋለን ከአማራ መፈራረስ የሚደርሰንን የምርኮ( የመሬት ወዘተ) እንደት እንካፈላለን ነው። ይህ ባይሆን እኮ ወያኔ ለማሸነፍ የራያ ህዝብ ብቻ ይበቃ ነበር። ባዶ እጁን እንድሆን፤ ሞራሉ እንድሰበር፤ ለወያኔ ቀለብ ሰፋሪ ተደርጎ አብይ አዲስ አበባን ብቻ ነው የሚጠብቀው - ምክንያቱም የውል ሰነዱ በደንብ እስኪ ጸድቅ እና ጥሩ ድርሻ እስከሚያገኝ - ኦነግ።

ወያኔም ይሁን አብይ አህመድ -ኦነግ አንድት አልተቀየሩም - ከጎጣቸው ጥቅም ላይ ነው የተቸከሉት።

ለምሳሌ ጌታቸው ረዳ አማራን ለማታለል የቀላመደውን ስንሰማ ምኑ ላይ ነው የተቀየረው? ጥያቄያቸው የመሬት መስፋፋት እና ነጠቃ እንጅ የፓለቲካ ጥያቄ አይደለም። የፓለቲካ ጥያቄ ደግሞ የመሬት መስፋፋት ጥያቄ አይደለም። ጫካ ሲገቡ የጻፉትን ማኒፌስቶ ይዘው ነው አማራን እያታለሉ ያሉት። ወያኔ ያው ወያኔ ነው - አማራ የትግሬ ጥላት ነው መጥፋት አለበት የሚል ዋና አላማ የያዘ።

ሌላው ዐብይ አህመድ እና የእርሱ ኦሮሞ መንግስት ምኑ ላይ ነው የተቀየረው? ምንም የተቀየረ ነገር የለም። እረግጦ ይዞ የሚገዛው አማራ፥ አዲስ አበባ እና ደቡብ በተለይ ጉራጌን ነው። አብይ የኦሮሞ ህዝብ መንግስት እንጅ በተግባ የሌሎች መንግስት አይደለም። የወያኔ ህገመንግስት የበላይ ጠባቂ ነኝ፤የጎሳ መንግስት መቀጠል አለበት፤ አዲስ አበባ ኦሮሙም ጠል ነው፤ ፋኖ ከወያኔ የበለጠ ጥላቴ ነው፤ ወዘተ ምን ይባላል ይኸ። ይህ ጦርነት የ1ሳምንት ውጊያ ነበር አብይ አህመድ ይጫወትበታል። የጦር መሪው እርሱ፥ መሳርያ ሰጭ ወይም ነጣቂ ገፋፊ እርሱ፤ ድርድር የሚቀመጥ እርሱ ወዘተ። ታዲይ ይህ ሰውየ ባለበት እንደት ነው ይህ ጦርነት የሚቋጨው ነው። ለማንኛውም የአማራ ህዝብ ይሁን ሌላው እውነተኛ ኢትዮጵያዊ መከላከያ ውስጥ ያሉ ጭምር ይህን ጦርነት የምንዋጋው ለዐብይ አህመድ አይደለም - ለእኛ ለኢትዮጵያዊያን ነው። ይህን ጦርነት ስናሸንፍ አብይ አህመድ ተሸነፈ ማለት ነው። He is the guardian of all the evil legacy of TPLF.

Abere,
I really agree with you. That is the most accurate Framing of the Issue. Now, how many Amaras truly believe in your framing of the problem? Now, imagine the massive Amara energy and resource was simply focused on this specific definition of the problem for the past 30 years? አሁንም ጥያቄው የሚፈታው ባማራና ትግሬ መካከል ነው ። ለዚህ ደሞ አማራ የምር ተነስቶ የትግሬና ብልጽግና ተላላኪዎችን ማጽዳት የግድ ይለዋል ። አማራን በሆስቴጅነት የያዘው ትህነግም ኦነግም አያደለም ብልጽግና የሚባሉት አማሮች ናቸው ። አይደለም አማራ የጉራጌ ችግርም ብልጽግና የሚባሉ በፊት የመለስ ዛሬ ያቢይ ተላላኪዎች ጉራጌዎች ናቸው በኮማንድ ፖስት እየገዙን ያሉት ።

[Abere]

ሆረስ፤

ሌላ ያነሳኸው ጥሩ ነጥብ አለ። ብአደን በተመለከተ። በመሰረቱ ይህ ድርጅት በአማራ ላይ በፊት ለወያኔ አሁን ደግሞ ለኦነግ እንደራሴ ተደርጎ የተሾመ እንጅ ከአማራ ህዝብ ጋር የሚያገናኘው ጉዳይ የለም። አላማውም ከኦነግ እና ከወያኔ የተለየ ነው። የኦነግ እና የወያኔ ጥያቄ በፊት እንደ ጠቀስኩት የመሬት መስፋፍት እና ነጠቃ እንጅ የፓለቲካ ወይም አገራዊ እና ርዕዮተ አለማዊ አይደለም። ሁመራ፤ወልቃይት፤ራያ ፤ፊንፊን ወዘተ ነው ጥያቄያቸው እና አላማቸው። የብአድን ጥያቄ የደመወዝ እና የደረጃ ዕድገት ነው- ሌላ አላማ የላቸውም። ጥሩ ለከፈላቸው ወይም ላቅ ያለ ሹመት ለሰጣቸው በደንብ ይሰራሉ። ስራቸው አማራን፤ማሰር፤ማጭበርበር፤ በአማራ ስም የዝርፊያ ፊርማ ተገደው መፈረም ወዘተ። ከዚህ በፊት አዳምጠህ ይሆናል በጎንደር አንድ ሆዳም ብር ከወያኔ ተከፍሎት ከውጊያው መሃል ለትግሬ ወያኔ በስልክ መልዕክት ሲያስተላልፍ- የሚጠይቀው ደግሞ የትውልድ ቀበሌ በወያኔ እንድት ደበደብ ነበር። ተይዞ እርምጃ ተወሰደበት። እንድህ አይነቶች ናቸው አሁንም ያሉት። እኔ ይህን ያላወቀ አማራ ወይ እራሱ ተከፋይ ብ አድን ነው ወይ የአእምሮ ህመም አለበት። ዘመነ ካሴን ያሰረ አማራ፤ 25000 ፋኖን ያሰረ አማራ ምን አይነት አማራ ነው፡

[Horus]

Right,
አሁንም በደምብ በማታቀው ነገር ላይ የተሳሳተ ጣት ትቀስራለህ! ኢ ሕ አ ሰ በቲፒኤላኤፍ በጦር ተደብድቦ ነው ከትግሬ የወጣውና የፈረሰው፣ ይህ ትግሬ ነው አናንተ እዚህ መኖር መደራጀት አትችሉም ብሎ ማልት ነው ። ኢሓሰ ሲፈርስ የጎሳ ፖለቲካ ጠል የሆኑት ወደ ህይወታቸው ተበታተኑ ። የትግሬ አሽከር መሆን የመረጡት እንደ ጌታቸው ጀቢሳ እነ ሌባው ታምራት የመልሰ ዉሃ ተሸካሚ ሆኑ ። ስለዚህ እጅህን ከልበ ንጹህ የኢትዮጵያ መስዋቶች ከኢ ሕ አ ፓ አንሳ ። ዛሬ ያንተን መስዋዕትነት የት እንደ ሚደርስ እናያለን ።

አበረ
የምጨምረው የለኝም ። አምራ የጎሳ ክልል አልሆንም ቢል ዛሬ ሁሉም ክልሎች ፈርሰው ነበር ። ልብ በል ትላንት ጉራጌ ክልል መሆን አይችልም ያለ ያ ሴት መሳይ የፌዴሬሽን ምቤት ሊቀመንበርኮ አማራ ነው! እርስቱ ምትለው የ11ኛ ክፍል መለስና አቢይ ውሃ ቀጂኮ ጉራጌ ነው። ይህ ነው የትግሉ ትክክለኛ ትርጉም!

[Za-Ilmaknun]

Now most are seeing the politics of the country and the merits of organizing Amhara as Amhara or Guraghe as Guraghe first to save themselves from the impending disaster, at least in the short term. The core of why Amhara is targeted by TPLF/OLF is simply because of its advocacy for a united Ethiopia and merit based politics. TPLF has never hide its intentions of exterminating Amhara (if it can) in its quest to dismembering Ethiopia. However the new OLF despite having the same goal and intentions, is trying a different approach of preaching Ethiopia and acting in the reverse.

Most Amhara people have now clear picture of what is in the making. However, they are shackled by a few sold-outs who are recruited by OLF/TPLF based on their inability to reason or critically think and their fear of losing what they don't deserve. Now that the enemies are defined, the next step is to come up with ways to deal with the monumental problems and prioritize who should be dealt with first. If we are to focus on to what we should do to solve the problems, that is a clear sign of maturity of the struggle away from bickering who the enemy is.

[Sadacha Macca]

The objective Oromo opinion:

In this era, it seems, it is every state for itself, the ''ethiopianism,'' is weakened, or almost gone. it's all about the interests of any particular nation and if that entails with working with even a neighboring state to fight a fellow state within the same country, so be it, right?


when oromo's were attacked for a long time, by both tplf, and abdi illey's army, not a single amara, afar, or other, came to help.
even our own local opdo govt, reluctantly sent help long after the damage was done.

when afar was attacked by somali groups, with intentions to expand, with aid from Djibouti's govt, not a single amara, oromo, or other than them, came to their aid. when tplf attacked afar, who helped them? no one. tplf's reasoning was that, afar was used a staging ground for using oromo police, endf, and others, to fight there. nonsense, especially when we saw tplf attack mosques, children, women, etc.


when abiy's opdo was, and is currently, committing war crimes against oromo farmers, and other civilians, under the guise of fighting OLF, not a single one of you here, condemned those actions, but when it happens to your nation or people, you feel it, and condemn it; which is fair but shows that it's not about an overall Ethiopian perspective or solidarity, it's every nation for itself.



so now, it seems, the same is occurring to others. so everyone will be forced to mobilize along their own ethnic's lines and defend themselves. we may see a modern day version of zemane mesafint- every state having its own army in a sense, and ruler, etc

[Right]

Horus,

Before you come to a conclusion that you know more than me, I will summarize what I stated below here and please point out where I unreasonably pointed my finger. As far as the EPRP is concerned, you don’t have to be their defenders, let the work they have done the last 50 years defend them from accusations. I invite all who are interested to visit the EPRP website and read DEMOCRACY the party newsletter of the time. To their credit they have posted it all. Again I will also invite readers to read the original party manifesto of EPRP and TPLF make their own conclusions.

Here is the summary of my comment:

Summary #1:
It is important to ask who created the Amahara PP(ADP), when and by who. Connect all the dots and it will take you to TPLF and EPRP.
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The Amhara wing of EPDRF is a satellite party deliberately organized by TPLF to rule the Amahara region of Ethiopia. It’s founding members are all ex EPRPs. I correctly named the early leaders of the satellite party. Please point out the error here.

Summary #2:
Where? The name Assimba comes to the picture. The EPRP was lured to Assimba by design, from there it never survived.
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Assimba was the headquarters of the military wing of EPRP. It is not by coincidence. It is by design mastered by EPLF. To understand that you have to recognize the creation of the EPRP. The EPRP was created by JEBEha. Long story short, the plane hijackers, students including Addisu Alemayehu (Hama Tuma) was received by JEBHA and transferred to Algiers, from their the process of the creation of EPRP started. Kiflu Taddesse and other surviving members of the party has written and talked about it.

Now, it is up to you to tell me where I pointed my fingers wrongly. I am being polite here.

[Horus]

Horus,

Before you come to a conclusion that you know more than me, I will summarize what I stated below here and please point out where I unreasonably pointed my finger. As far as the EPRP is concerned, you don’t have to be their defenders, let the work they have done the last 50 years defend them from accusations. I invite all who are interested to visit the EPRP website and read DEMOCRACY the party newsletter of the time. To their credit they have posted it all. Again I will also invite readers to read the original party manifesto of EPRP and TPLF make their own conclusions.

Here is the summary of my comment:

Summary #1:
It is important to ask who created the Amahara PP(ADP), when and by who. Connect all the dots and it will take you to TPLF and EPRP.
—-
The Amhara wing of EPDRF is a satellite party deliberately organized by TPLF to rule the Amahara region of Ethiopia. It’s founding members are all ex EPRPs. I correctly named the early leaders of the satellite party. Please point out the error here.

Summary #2:
Where? The name Assimba comes to the picture. The EPRP was lured to Assimba by design, from there it never survived.
—
Assimba was the headquarters of the military wing of EPRP. It is not by coincidence. It is by design mastered by EPLF. To understand that you have to recognize the creation of the EPRP. The EPRP was created by JEBEha. Long story short, the plane hijackers, students including Addisu Alemayehu (Hama Tuma) was received by JEBHA and transferred to Algiers, from their the process of the creation of EPRP started. Kiflu Taddesse and other surviving members of the party has written and talked about it.

Now, it is up to you to tell me where I pointed my fingers wrongly. I am being polite here.

ቀባሪን አረዱት አሉ! በል ባሁኑ ጉዳይ ላይ ቆይ! ቀባሪን ለማርዳት አትሞክር! ይገባሃል የምልህ?

[Right]

Nop. I have my facts and I can’t guess yours unless you tell me.
And the EPRP, give them credit for their transparency, they have posted all their [deleted] on their website, wrote about it and said it on their radio.
It is also a big favour to Ethiopia and all those interested PHD students to research and write thesis about it.

[Jirta]

ጦርነቱ መንግስት እና ትህነግ ተናበው አማራ ላይየከፈቱት ነው::ፍፃሜው ግን ሁሉን አሸንፎ አማራ ያብባል::አንድ ሲሰዋ ሽህ እንሆናለን::ሚሊዮን ጀግና ይፈራል::በጦርነት መሞት ለእኛ ክብር ነው::የማንንም ድንበር ክብር አንነካም::ከዚህ አዋጅ በሗላ ግን ትግሬ በአማራ ምድር አይኖርም::እርምጃ እንወስዳለን ንብረቱም ለፋኖ ቤተሰቦች ይሆናል::
አብይም ለኦሮሞ የእሳት ፍህም በአናታቸው ላይ እየከመረላቸው ነው::ለዘላለም ከቀሪው ኢትዮጵያዊ ጋር በሰላም እንዳይኖሩ አድርጎ በአራት አመት አናክሷቸዋል::

[Selam/]

Here are the versions so far:
1 - The war is between Amhara & TPLF, created by PP to weaken Amhara who will come out victorious & stronger.
2 - The war is between TPLF & PP. Amhara should sit back & watch the show while stealing weapons from PP & allowing TPLF to beat PP
3 - The war is between TPLF & Ethiopia, created by Woyane & it’s foreign supporters

[Selam/]

ወጨፎው - አቶ አይነኩሉ አሲምባ ነበርኩኝ ፣ የኢህአፖ ድኅረገፅ ገለመሌ አትበል ነው የሚልህ። የከርሞ ሰው ታሪክ ሲያወራ አድምጥ ፣ ሰው ከፃፈው የተሻለ ነው።

Nop. I have my facts and I can’t guess yours unless you tell me.
And the EPRP, give them credit for their transparency, they have posted all their [deleted] on their website, wrote about it and said it on their radio.
It is also a big favour to Ethiopia and all those interested PHD students to research and write thesis about it.

[Meleket]

እንደኛ እንደ ኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች ኣተያዪ፡ “ጦርነቱ፡ ቦለቲካዊ ልዩነታቸውን በጠረጴዛ ዙርያ ለመፍታት ባልበቁ ኢትዮጵያውያን የቦለቲካ ኃይሎች ምክንያት፡ በኢትዮጵያውያን መካከል እየተደረገ ያለ የእርስበእርስ ፍልሚያ ነው።”

[Abere]

ምነው? ምነው? ፍርደ ገምድል ሆንካሳ!

ከወያኔ ጋር በጠረንጴዛ ዙርያ ውይይት እና ከትኩስ ዕብድ ጋር ምክክር አይሰራም። እንደት ይሆናል? ውይይት እኮ ሰጥቶ መቀበል ነው። ወያኔ መቀበል ብቻ ነው የሚፈልገው። እርሱም "አማራ የትግሬ ጥላት ነው መጥፋት አለበት" - ምን ሰጥተህ ነው ለዚህ አይነት መርሆ ጥያቄ አማራ የሚቀበለው? መፍትሄው ወድህ ነው። ወያኔ የሚባል ድርጅት ከምድረ ገጽ ላይ መጥፋት አለበት። ማንኛውም መስዋዕት ተከፍሎ ይህ ድርጅት መደምሰስ አለበት። ጦርነት እኮ ፍትሃዊ ከሆነ ተቀባይነት ያለው መዋዕለ ንዋይ ነው። ወያኔ የሚባል ድርጅት በህይወት ተረፈ ማለት አይደለም አማራ" በጠረንጴዛው ዙርያ መጥፋት አለብህ" ተብሎ ለውይይት የሚቀርበው በሙሉ ምስራቅ አፍሪካ ዕድሜ ዘመኑን የብጥብጥ እና የውጭ ጭልፊት አሞራዎች መናኸሪያ ትሆናልች - ሞት ልቅሶ እና ዋይታ ከትውል ወደ ትውልድ ይቀጥላል። እባክህ አፍን አታበላሽ በዚህ ጉዳይ።እኔ ወያኔ በህይወት ባለበት አለም አገር አለኝ አልልም። ሙሉ በሙሉ መደምሰስ አለበት።

እንደኛ እንደ ኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች ኣተያዪ፡ “ጦርነቱ፡ ቦለቲካዊ ልዩነታቸውን በጠረጴዛ ዙርያ ለመፍታት ባልበቁ ኢትዮጵያውያን የቦለቲካ ኃይሎች ምክንያት፡ በኢትዮጵያውያን መካከል እየተደረገ ያለ የእርስበእርስ ፍልሚያ ነው።”

[Selam/]

I am not objected to negotiations because woyane will equally lose in that process. They will get nothing out of it and then their people will call them losers & eventually eat them alive. That’s why TPLF always finds a reason to jeopardize a peaceful resolution. They are in a lose lose situations, so their death is inevitable one or the other way.

ምነው? ምነው? ፍርደ ገምድል ሆንካሳ!

ከወያኔ ጋር በጠረንጴዛ ዙርያ ውይይት እና ከትኩስ ዕብድ ጋር ምክክር አይሰራም። እንደት ይሆናል? ውይይት እኮ ሰጥቶ መቀበል ነው። ወያኔ መቀበል ብቻ ነው የሚፈልገው። እርሱም "አማራ የትግሬ ጥላት ነው መጥፋት አለበት" - ምን ሰጥተህ ነው ለዚህ አይነት መርሆ ጥያቄ አማራ የሚቀበለው? መፍትሄው ወድህ ነው። ወያኔ የሚባል ድርጅት ከምድረ ገጽ ላይ መጥፋት አለበት። ማንኛውም መስዋዕት ተከፍሎ ይህ ድርጅት መደምሰስ አለበት። ጦርነት እኮ ፍትሃዊ ከሆነ ተቀባይነት ያለው መዋዕለ ንዋይ ነው። ወያኔ የሚባል ድርጅት በህይወት ተረፈ ማለት አይደለም አማራ" በጠረንጴዛው ዙርያ መጥፋት አለብህ" ተብሎ ለውይይት የሚቀርበው በሙሉ ምስራቅ አፍሪካ ዕድሜ ዘመኑን የብጥብጥ እና የውጭ ጭልፊት አሞራዎች መናኸሪያ ትሆናልች - ሞት ልቅሶ እና ዋይታ ከትውል ወደ ትውልድ ይቀጥላል። እባክህ አፍን አታበላሽ በዚህ ጉዳይ።እኔ ወያኔ በህይወት ባለበት አለም አገር አለኝ አልልም። ሙሉ በሙሉ መደምሰስ አለበት።

እንደኛ እንደ ኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች ኣተያዪ፡ “ጦርነቱ፡ ቦለቲካዊ ልዩነታቸውን በጠረጴዛ ዙርያ ለመፍታት ባልበቁ ኢትዮጵያውያን የቦለቲካ ኃይሎች ምክንያት፡ በኢትዮጵያውያን መካከል እየተደረገ ያለ የእርስበእርስ ፍልሚያ ነው።”

[Meleket]

ወዳጄ የኛ የኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች ኣተያዪ፡ "ፍርደገምድልነት" ሆኖ ቢሰማህ ኣይገርመንም፡ ነጻ ኣተያዬታችን ነው። ለመሆኑ ወያኔ በይፋ በጠረጴዛ ዙርያ "ማኒፌስቶውን" እንዲቀድ ለማድረግ ተሞክሮ ነበር ወይ? ኣማራ ጠል ማኒፌስቶውን በይፋ እንዲሰርዝ በጠረጴዛ ዙርያ ውይይት፡ ነውረኝነቱን እንዲያውቅ ዓለምም ይህንን እንድትረዳ ተሞክሮ ከሆነ ግሩም ነው። ከዚያ በኋላ ሌላው ሌላው ቢመጣ ወጉ ያምራል ነው ኣተያዬታችን። ለግዜው "ጦርነቱ፡ በኢትዮጵያውያን መካከል እየተደረገ ያለ የእርስበእርስ ፍልሚያ" መሆኑ ላይ ተግባብተናል ማለት ነው።

ምነው? ምነው? ፍርደ ገምድል ሆንካሳ!

ከወያኔ ጋር በጠረንጴዛ ዙርያ ውይይት እና ከትኩስ ዕብድ ጋር ምክክር አይሰራም። እንደት ይሆናል? ውይይት እኮ ሰጥቶ መቀበል ነው። ወያኔ መቀበል ብቻ ነው የሚፈልገው። እርሱም "አማራ የትግሬ ጥላት ነው መጥፋት አለበት" - ምን ሰጥተህ ነው ለዚህ አይነት መርሆ ጥያቄ አማራ የሚቀበለው? መፍትሄው ወድህ ነው። ወያኔ የሚባል ድርጅት ከምድረ ገጽ ላይ መጥፋት አለበት። ማንኛውም መስዋዕት ተከፍሎ ይህ ድርጅት መደምሰስ አለበት። ጦርነት እኮ ፍትሃዊ ከሆነ ተቀባይነት ያለው መዋዕለ ንዋይ ነው። ወያኔ የሚባል ድርጅት በህይወት ተረፈ ማለት አይደለም አማራ" በጠረንጴዛው ዙርያ መጥፋት አለብህ" ተብሎ ለውይይት የሚቀርበው በሙሉ ምስራቅ አፍሪካ ዕድሜ ዘመኑን የብጥብጥ እና የውጭ ጭልፊት አሞራዎች መናኸሪያ ትሆናልች - ሞት ልቅሶ እና ዋይታ ከትውል ወደ ትውልድ ይቀጥላል። እባክህ አፍን አታበላሽ በዚህ ጉዳይ።እኔ ወያኔ በህይወት ባለበት አለም አገር አለኝ አልልም። ሙሉ በሙሉ መደምሰስ አለበት።

እንደኛ እንደ ኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች ኣተያዪ፡ “ጦርነቱ፡ ቦለቲካዊ ልዩነታቸውን በጠረጴዛ ዙርያ ለመፍታት ባልበቁ ኢትዮጵያውያን የቦለቲካ ኃይሎች ምክንያት፡ በኢትዮጵያውያን መካከል እየተደረገ ያለ የእርስበእርስ ፍልሚያ ነው።”

[Abere]

Selam,

“Woyane will equally lose in the negotiation, their people will eventually eat them alive." at least to me, is an inaccurate hypothesis. In the first place, the outcome of every negotiation in the universe is based on a give and take principle. Second, anything that makes TPLF unhappy makes the Tigray people unhappy about Ethiopia too, not about TPLF. They will rebrand themselves as Woyane-3rd and pursue their habitual destructions. These people are not negotiable entities. What do you learn from the Badme war? They voluntarily entered negotiation with Eritrea (just the Tigre-TPLF alone) and lost their case in the court, internationally. They rejected the verdict and kept the war; every single Tigre is the same diehard woyane as before the Bademe war. You should be expecting a 3rd, 4th, etc. brand Woyane. Why has not the Tigray people woken up and eaten them/TPLF/ up now? Tigray is the worst place on earth right now, there are 1 million enough reasons for Tigres to depose TPLF. This Tigray people will eat up TPLF is a false hypothesis and often what the so-called government media and people talks about. The reality however is the Tigray people are eating up Amhara people, every now and then they crawl out of their burrow and kill , loot and destroy the Bete-Amhara(Wollo). This is either a pure negigence or intentional genocide committed against Amhara by the so-called government. A responsible government concludes the war effectively in a short period of time and bring the criminals to face justice, you do not babysit an illiterate rebel whose culture counts war as means of livelihood.


Meleket/መለከት/,

በሂሳብ ንድፈ ሃሳብ ስለስብስብ አይነቶች እና ተዛምዶ ስንማር disjoint set የሚባል ነገር አለ። ሁለቱ ስብስቦች (sets) ሆድ እና ጀርባ ብቻ ሳይሆኑ ምንም ነገር አንድ ነገር የማያገናኛቸው አይነቶች - የሁለት የተለያዩ ዐለማት በምንም የማይገናኙ ጉዳዮች:: ይህን ያልኩበት ምክንያት በፓለቲካው አለም ቢሆንም እንድህ አይነት አለ። ለምሳሌ በሂትለር የሚመራው የጀርመኑ ናዚ አንድ የታሪክ ተሞክሮ ነው። ወያኔ ናዚ ነው ደብረጽዮን ሂትለር ነው። እንደዚህ አይነቱን በውይይት ሳይሆን በጥይት ነው የምትፈታው። የተግባር ሰው እወዳለሁ፤ የወሬ ሰው አልወድም - ለዚህ ነው አብይ አህመድ 4 አመት በወሬ ስለአስፈጅን ደግመን እህ እያለን ጆሮችንን ከፍተን አንጋጠን አናዳምጥ የምለው። It is better to learn from the success stories of others, genocide of Jew people was stopped when Nazi was defeated. So will the genocide of Amhara will stop when Woyane is eliminated from the surface of earth. Nothing short of this is a solution to Ethiopia. And the Amhara people should focus on this bigger picture

[Right]

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ቀባሪን አረዱት አሉ! በል ባሁኑ ጉዳይ ላይ ቆይ! ቀባሪን ለማርዳት አትሞክር! ይገባሃል የምልህ?

This is called bragging.

Abere started a good thread and you have a good piece in it. Articulated and educative. Let us not deviate from it,

Look, the point I am trying to make was that PP Amhara. Or ANDM during the Weyannies has its roots with the EPRP and TPLF. it is the handy work of the TPLF. If you believe otherwise then you have to put up.
The same thing with Assimba, I believe it is by design the Assimba camp was where it was. If you think otherwise then let us here it.

What the EPRP believed at the time was written in black and white and there is no need for any interpretation.

The Ethiopian public knows about Article 39 during the 90’s when the TPLF tried to execute it through the constitution. But the EPRP thought the Ethiopian youth about the right of self determination up to cessation long before the public knows about TPLF in the 70s and 80s. The EPRP and TPLF have a hand on What we see today on the ground in Ethiopia. They have a lot in common. The EPRP folks disagree. But the record shows otherwise. What they believed at the time on Ethnic oppression, language, Eritrea and Amahara is all out there in the record.

[Selam/]

Wrong wrong wrong!

Everyone knows Woyane is a terrorist group, worse than Al-Queada or SS. However, it’s my first time to hear that the entire Tigrean people are also terrorist, which implies that you are for cluster bombing the entire region to force TPLF into submission. Very easy said, isn’t it? No negotiation, no wiggle room, just bomb the hell out of Tigreans & be done with them. That’s a bullsh!t. If all Tigreans were woyane, they would easily defeat Eritrea or march into Wolkayit.

To the contrary, majority of Tigreans are decent people whether they have been partially or fully brainwashed by woyane thugs. Even those armed children on the frontline are manipulated lambs. Sadly, if they carry a rifle to kill others, a pre-emptive action is justified. Be it through armed provocation or peaceful negotiation or no-war & no-peace stalemate, woyane will decay and die on its own because it’s philosophically, politically & structurally archaic & non-evolving sectarian.

Selam,

“Woyane will equally lose in the negotiation, their people will eventually eat them alive." at least to me, is an inaccurate hypothesis. In the first place, the outcome of every negotiation in the universe is based on a give and take principle. Second, anything that makes TPLF unhappy makes the Tigray people unhappy about Ethiopia too, not about TPLF. They will rebrand themselves as Woyane-3rd and pursue their habitual destructions. These people are not negotiable entities. What do you learn from the Badme war? They voluntarily entered negotiation with Eritrea (just the Tigre-TPLF alone) and lost their case in the court, internationally. They rejected the verdict and kept the war; every single Tigre is the same diehard woyane as before the Bademe war. You should be expecting a 3rd, 4th, etc. brand Woyane. Why has not the Tigray people woken up and eaten them/TPLF/ up now? Tigray is the worst place on earth right now, there are 1 million enough reasons for Tigres to depose TPLF. This Tigray people will eat up TPLF is a false hypothesis and often what the so-called government media and people talks about. The reality however is the Tigray people are eating up Amhara people, every now and then they crawl out of their burrow and kill , loot and destroy the Bete-Amhara(Wollo). This is either a pure negigence or intentional genocide committed against Amhara by the so-called government. A responsible government concludes the war effectively in a short period of time and bring the criminals to face justice, you do not babysit an illiterate rebel whose culture counts war as means of livelihood.


Meleket/መለከት/,

በሂሳብ ንድፈ ሃሳብ ስለስብስብ አይነቶች እና ተዛምዶ ስንማር disjoint set የሚባል ነገር አለ። ሁለቱ ስብስቦች (sets) ሆድ እና ጀርባ ብቻ ሳይሆኑ ምንም ነገር አንድ ነገር የማያገናኛቸው አይነቶች - የሁለት የተለያዩ ዐለማት በምንም የማይገናኙ ጉዳዮች:: ይህን ያልኩበት ምክንያት በፓለቲካው አለም ቢሆንም እንድህ አይነት አለ። ለምሳሌ በሂትለር የሚመራው የጀርመኑ ናዚ አንድ የታሪክ ተሞክሮ ነው። ወያኔ ናዚ ነው ደብረጽዮን ሂትለር ነው። እንደዚህ አይነቱን በውይይት ሳይሆን በጥይት ነው የምትፈታው። የተግባር ሰው እወዳለሁ፤ የወሬ ሰው አልወድም - ለዚህ ነው አብይ አህመድ 4 አመት በወሬ ስለአስፈጅን ደግመን እህ እያለን ጆሮችንን ከፍተን አንጋጠን አናዳምጥ የምለው። It is better to learn from the success stories of others, genocide of Jew people was stopped when Nazi was defeated. So will the genocide of Amhara will stop when Woyane is eliminated from the surface of earth. Nothing short of this is a solution to Ethiopia. And the Amhara people should focus on this bigger picture

[sarcasm]

"ይሄ ጦርነት የአማራና የትግራይ ሕዝቦች ጦርነት አይደለም። ይሄ ስርዓት የጋራ ጠላት ነው።" የትግራይ ሰራዊት ዋና አዛዥ ታጋይ ታደሰ ወረደ የሰጡት ጋዜጣዊ መግልጫ

“የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ረጋ ብሎ እንዲያስብና ለሰላም ዕድል ለመስጠት ሲባል የጦር ሜዳ አንፀባራቂ ድሎቻችን የሚገባቸውን የሚዲያ ሽፋን እንዲያገኙ ከማድረግ ተቆጥበናል”—የትግራይ ሰራዊት ዋና አዛዥ ጄነራል ታደሰ ወረደ