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Re: ጎሹ ወልዴ (ኢትዮጵያ በደደቦች መመራት ከመጀመሯ በፊት)

Post by Sadacha Macca » 11 Jun 2022, 20:13

Exactly, all you can do is respond with silly insults, and no facts or actual proof to substantiate any of your silly claims.
Angry Agame sister, I know your first love tends to leave an impression, but get over it, the somali brother that you fornicated with and had a kid with, and named hagos samatar, is gone for good.
I don't need to, by the grace of Allaah, I make enough $$ to help others now, and would never make fun of anyone in a rough spot; do you need some money Agame lady? You talk about it a lot, maybe you need a thousand or two just to buy your half agame half somali kids some stuff, maybe some toys? Some clothes? Chama/shoes? Minamen, since their dad abandoned you and them kids faster than the tplf abandoned welkait?

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Post by Horus » 11 Jun 2022, 20:29

የነገሰው፣
አዋቂዎች ሲተርቱ 'ስም እውነት አይደለም፣ ካርታ መሬት አይደለም' ይላሉ! ስምህ የነገሰው፣ ነገንያየው ይባላል ። ግን ዛሬ የራስክን ስም ተቃረንከው!! የጎሹን ንግግር ስማው፤ ነገን ያየ ሰው ነበር። ከአንድ የተማረ ያወቀ፣ የተመራመረ ሰው የሚጠበቀው ከፍተኛ እውቀት ነገን ማየት ነው ። ዛሬንማ ሁሉም የኔ ብጤ ያያታል ! ከዚያ በተረፈ ጎሹ ኤርትራን አብጠርጥሮ ያውቃታል ። ባህር ሃይልን የመራው ኤርትራ እየኖረ ነው ። ጓደኞቹም ኤርትራዊያን ናቸው ።ጎሹ ግን የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር፣ የኢትዮጵያ ተሟጋች እንጂ የጀብሃ ወይ የሻቢያ ተዋጊ አልነበረም ። ስለዚህ ኤርትራ ምን እንደ ምትፈልግ አያውቅም ነበር የሚለው ትርጉም አልባ ነው። የኢርትራ ተገንጣይና የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር የቆሙት ለተጻራሪ አላማ እንደ ነበር የሚክድ አስተያየት ኢታሪካዊ ይባላል! ጎሹ በቀለም ትህምህርት ብቻ አለነበረም ችሎታው ። ባህር ሃይል መርቷል ። ጦር አስተምሯል፣ ጠበቃ ነው ። የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ነበር ፣ የትምህርት ሚኒስትር ነበር። እንዲያውም ነገን ጥርት አድርጎ ያለ፣ በትግሬ ወያኔ ኢትዮጵያ የሚደርስባት መከራ ለዘላለም በንግግሩ ለታሪክ ያኖረ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ጎሹ ወልዴ ይህው ህያው ሆኖ በህይወቱ የወያኔ ውድቀት እና ግራ ተጋብቶ በአለም መጽዋችነት የተዋረደ ቡድን መሆኑን እየመሰከረ ያለ ነገን ያየ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ትህነግ ማለት ቤተሰቡን መመገብ የማይችል የወደቀ ሰካራም አባ ወራ ማለት ነው። የጎሹን ንግግር ደግመው ስማው ። ያን ሃቅ ነው የዛሬ 30 አመት የነገራቸው! አንድ ጎሹን መውደድ የለበትም፣ ጎሹን አለማድነቅ ግን መላተም ነው !

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Post by lil kogne » 11 Jun 2022, 21:23

Union mother f'ucker bi'tch a'ss. Stupid raw meat eating carnivor. Your own Government admitted losing over 130000 head of C...s . WW1 style warfare. Retreat does not mean defeat chicken brain. Let alone 500000 lives carrying a weapon, a sworm of locust can overwhelm a defender. but at the end who wins is the point. Akaki Zeraf does not care how much lives they lose for they do not value lives as others do. Mother f'ucker, shut the f;uck up for the Weyanes are fucking you up in your own straw hut. You've bitten more than your stinky a'ss can chew. Once you start running, you stampede like a herd. That is documented fact. You could Zeraf all you want but, once the sh'it hits the fan we all know that you turn your back and call st george ( Kudud Giorgis and Kudus Gebriel) ! And the Weyanes know you very well that is why child soldiers hunt you like a game animals :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
STFU just go lokk and find you some Kitfo !!!

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Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 11 Jun 2022, 21:27

Horus wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 20:29
የነገሰው፣
አዋቂዎች ሲተርቱ 'ስም እውነት አይደለም፣ ካርታ መሬት አይደለም' ይላሉ! ስምህ የነገሰው፣ ነገንያየው ይባላል ። ግን ዛሬ የራስክን ስም ተቃረንከው!! የጎሹን ንግግር ስማው፤ ነገን ያየ ሰው ነበር። ከአንድ የተማረ ያወቀ፣ የተመራመረ ሰው የሚጠበቀው ከፍተኛ እውቀት ነገን ማየት ነው ። ዛሬንማ ሁሉም የኔ ብጤ ያያታል ! ከዚያ በተረፈ ጎሹ ኤርትራን አብጠርጥሮ ያውቃታል ። ባህር ሃይልን የመራው ኤርትራ እየኖረ ነው ። ጓደኞቹም ኤርትራዊያን ናቸው ።ጎሹ ግን የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር፣ የኢትዮጵያ ተሟጋች እንጂ የጀብሃ ወይ የሻቢያ ተዋጊ አልነበረም ። ስለዚህ ኤርትራ ምን እንደ ምትፈልግ አያውቅም ነበር የሚለው ትርጉም አልባ ነው። የኢርትራ ተገንጣይና የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር የቆሙት ለተጻራሪ አላማ እንደ ነበር የሚክድ አስተያየት ኢታሪካዊ ይባላል! ጎሹ በቀለም ትህምህርት ብቻ አለነበረም ችሎታው ። ባህር ሃይል መርቷል ። ጦር አስተምሯል፣ ጠበቃ ነው ። የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ነበር ፣ የትምህርት ሚኒስትር ነበር። እንዲያውም ነገን ጥርት አድርጎ ያለ፣ በትግሬ ወያኔ ኢትዮጵያ የሚደርስባት መከራ ለዘላለም በንግግሩ ለታሪክ ያኖረ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ጎሹ ወልዴ ይህው ህያው ሆኖ በህይወቱ የወያኔ ውድቀት እና ግራ ተጋብቶ በአለም መጽዋችነት የተዋረደ ቡድን መሆኑን እየመሰከረ ያለ ነገን ያየ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ትህነግ ማለት ቤተሰቡን መመገብ የማይችል የወደቀ ሰካራም አባ ወራ ማለት ነው። የጎሹን ንግግር ደግመው ስማው ። ያን ሃቅ ነው የዛሬ 30 አመት የነገራቸው! አንድ ጎሹን መውደድ የለበትም፣ ጎሹን አለማድነቅ ግን መላተም ነው !

Horus,
i listened/watched that video a couple of times a while ago and always amazed by how he was able to forsee what is to come but then i don't see anywhere i contradicted your point, did i?

here is my response to Selam's

። These two groups calling themselves , on one side Eritrean and on the other Ethiopians antagonizing on this forum are either both super idiots or are both weyanes talking to each other. Do they even have an idea of how this 4 year old trust between the two countries , after a long long held hatred designed and ocastrated mostly by other countries outside of the two countries and ofcourse recently by their agent weyane, came about? how many lives of both citizens perished due to that hatred ? livelihoods destroyed ? i don't think so ! If it wasn't for the wise men of the two countries realizing that they are being outsmarted and played by others, this would have continued for another generation of Ethiopians and Eritrean . Is that what they are .nostalgic about now? Horus here just stated his admiration of Col Goshu Welde 's brilliance , velifying each other's country isn't even relevant here and won't take us anywhere but disaster.
That being said Col. Goshu is undeniably a world class mind . I remember at my very young age when he was foregn or education minister(not quite sure-i was young) but his name was an inspirational then. And i was, to be honest, so happy when PM Dr Abiy recognized his honesty and contribution while he was on tour in America . It was static, wasn't it for some? Well some are not happy and it is okay but should be a point to antagonize bitterly.

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Post by Horus » 12 Jun 2022, 00:02

የነገው ሰው፣
በጣም ይቅርታ! ጎሹ በአይምሮ ጎበዝ ቢሆንም ፕራክቲካል ሰው አይደለም እያለ ከሚተቸው አብዲሳ ጋር አምታታሁ ። እጅግ ትልቅ ይቅርታ! ቶሎ ቶሎ ሳነብ ያደረኩት ስህተት ነው። የቢሄቪየራል ኢኮኖሚክስ ሊቁዳን ኤል ሃህንማን በፍጥነት ማሰብና በዝግታ ማሰብ ጥቅምና ጉዳታቸው ሲያስተምር በፍጥነት ማሰብ ድክመቱ ለስህተት ያጋልጣል ይላል። ያን ነው ያደረኩት! ኬር

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Post by Sadacha Macca » 12 Jun 2022, 01:35

Lil kogne,

Please do not fall for the tricks of the TPLF cyber cadre trolls. Union aka noble Amhara is not Amhara. Those accounts belong to the same tegadalay TPLF cyber cadre troll. Do not fall for it and let them make you insult the Amhara nation. None of us are truly proud of what occurred at badme because the TPLF used Amhara and Oromo and other Ethiopian ethnicities as cannon fodder. They wanted to use Ethiopian ethnicities to help them overthrow shabia, install a puppet regime there to annex Massawa or Assab, secede from Ethiopia and leave the rest of Ethiopia in chaos.
TPLFS own manifesto includes all of the kebessa land as Tigray along with the seaports. They've been dreaming of marching through Eritrea to the red sea since the days of alula and yohannes. Amhara elites wanted the seaports too at one point, but eventually they came to realize Eritreas long gone and doing business with Eritrea in a fair way is the only way to use those seaports.


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Post by Selam/ » 12 Jun 2022, 08:40

A brilliant speech & beautiful mind of course, but so what? Meles Zenawi was likewise a brilliant orator. His argument to keep African Union in Addis & his interview with Egyptian TV on Nile Sharing are some of his exemplary extemporaneous speeches.

There is no question about Derg’s firm stance on patriotism & Ethiopian integrity but at the end of the day, they handed over Ethiopia to woyane mafias on a silver platter. And Goshu was part of Derg while the military regime was miserably mismanaging the country for decades, impoverishing it to its bones and resulting in the death & displacement of millions of young people. Those who lost a family member or got incarcerated or tortured never forget the pain inflicted by Mengistu, his cadres & security forces. If it weren’t for Derg, Ethiopia wouldn’t have been subsequently subjected to TPLF atrocities & we wouldn’t have the mess we are in today. As the saying goes bad leaders couldn’t survive without their followers’ compliance and therefore a genius led by an incompetent & brutal dictator is equally impotent.

Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 21:27
Horus wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 20:29
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አዋቂዎች ሲተርቱ 'ስም እውነት አይደለም፣ ካርታ መሬት አይደለም' ይላሉ! ስምህ የነገሰው፣ ነገንያየው ይባላል ። ግን ዛሬ የራስክን ስም ተቃረንከው!! የጎሹን ንግግር ስማው፤ ነገን ያየ ሰው ነበር። ከአንድ የተማረ ያወቀ፣ የተመራመረ ሰው የሚጠበቀው ከፍተኛ እውቀት ነገን ማየት ነው ። ዛሬንማ ሁሉም የኔ ብጤ ያያታል ! ከዚያ በተረፈ ጎሹ ኤርትራን አብጠርጥሮ ያውቃታል ። ባህር ሃይልን የመራው ኤርትራ እየኖረ ነው ። ጓደኞቹም ኤርትራዊያን ናቸው ።ጎሹ ግን የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር፣ የኢትዮጵያ ተሟጋች እንጂ የጀብሃ ወይ የሻቢያ ተዋጊ አልነበረም ። ስለዚህ ኤርትራ ምን እንደ ምትፈልግ አያውቅም ነበር የሚለው ትርጉም አልባ ነው። የኢርትራ ተገንጣይና የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር የቆሙት ለተጻራሪ አላማ እንደ ነበር የሚክድ አስተያየት ኢታሪካዊ ይባላል! ጎሹ በቀለም ትህምህርት ብቻ አለነበረም ችሎታው ። ባህር ሃይል መርቷል ። ጦር አስተምሯል፣ ጠበቃ ነው ። የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ነበር ፣ የትምህርት ሚኒስትር ነበር። እንዲያውም ነገን ጥርት አድርጎ ያለ፣ በትግሬ ወያኔ ኢትዮጵያ የሚደርስባት መከራ ለዘላለም በንግግሩ ለታሪክ ያኖረ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ጎሹ ወልዴ ይህው ህያው ሆኖ በህይወቱ የወያኔ ውድቀት እና ግራ ተጋብቶ በአለም መጽዋችነት የተዋረደ ቡድን መሆኑን እየመሰከረ ያለ ነገን ያየ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ትህነግ ማለት ቤተሰቡን መመገብ የማይችል የወደቀ ሰካራም አባ ወራ ማለት ነው። የጎሹን ንግግር ደግመው ስማው ። ያን ሃቅ ነው የዛሬ 30 አመት የነገራቸው! አንድ ጎሹን መውደድ የለበትም፣ ጎሹን አለማድነቅ ግን መላተም ነው !

Horus,
i listened/watched that video a couple of times a while ago and always amazed by how he was able to forsee what is to come but then i don't see anywhere i contradicted your point, did i?

here is my response to Selam's

። These two groups calling themselves , on one side Eritrean and on the other Ethiopians antagonizing on this forum are either both super idiots or are both weyanes talking to each other. Do they even have an idea of how this 4 year old trust between the two countries , after a long long held hatred designed and ocastrated mostly by other countries outside of the two countries and ofcourse recently by their agent weyane, came about? how many lives of both citizens perished due to that hatred ? livelihoods destroyed ? i don't think so ! If it wasn't for the wise men of the two countries realizing that they are being outsmarted and played by others, this would have continued for another generation of Ethiopians and Eritrean . Is that what they are .nostalgic about now? Horus here just stated his admiration of Col Goshu Welde 's brilliance , velifying each other's country isn't even relevant here and won't take us anywhere but disaster.
That being said Col. Goshu is undeniably a world class mind . I remember at my very young age when he was foregn or education minister(not quite sure-i was young) but his name was an inspirational then. And i was, to be honest, so happy when PM Dr Abiy recognized his honesty and contribution while he was on tour in America . It was static, wasn't it for some? Well some are not happy and it is okay but should be a point to antagonize bitterly.

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Re: ጎሹ ወልዴ (ኢትዮጵያ በደደቦች መመራት ከመጀመሯ በፊት)

Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 12 Jun 2022, 10:53

Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 00:02
የነገው ሰው፣
በጣም ይቅርታ! ጎሹ በአይምሮ ጎበዝ ቢሆንም ፕራክቲካል ሰው አይደለም እያለ ከሚተቸው አብዲሳ ጋር አምታታሁ ። እጅግ ትልቅ ይቅርታ! ቶሎ ቶሎ ሳነብ ያደረኩት ስህተት ነው። የቢሄቪየራል ኢኮኖሚክስ ሊቁዳን ኤል ሃህንማን በፍጥነት ማሰብና በዝግታ ማሰብ ጥቅምና ጉዳታቸው ሲያስተምር በፍጥነት ማሰብ ድክመቱ ለስህተት ያጋልጣል ይላል። ያን ነው ያደረኩት! ኬር
Horus,
That was kind of obvious, I knew you were responding to someone else that why i attached the 'ዋቢ'
አንድ የጠቀስከው ነገር ግን ከሌላው ሁሉ ቀልቤን ሳበው ፣ ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??

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Re: ጎሹ ወልዴ (ኢትዮጵያ በደደቦች መመራት ከመጀመሯ በፊት)

Post by Horus » 12 Jun 2022, 12:12

Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 10:53
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 00:02
የነገው ሰው፣
በጣም ይቅርታ! ጎሹ በአይምሮ ጎበዝ ቢሆንም ፕራክቲካል ሰው አይደለም እያለ ከሚተቸው አብዲሳ ጋር አምታታሁ ። እጅግ ትልቅ ይቅርታ! ቶሎ ቶሎ ሳነብ ያደረኩት ስህተት ነው። የቢሄቪየራል ኢኮኖሚክስ ሊቁዳን ኤል ሃህንማን በፍጥነት ማሰብና በዝግታ ማሰብ ጥቅምና ጉዳታቸው ሲያስተምር በፍጥነት ማሰብ ድክመቱ ለስህተት ያጋልጣል ይላል። ያን ነው ያደረኩት! ኬር
Horus,
That was kind of obvious, I knew you were responding to someone else that why i attached the 'ዋቢ'
አንድ የጠቀስከው ነገር ግን ከሌላው ሁሉ ቀልቤን ሳበው ፣ ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??
Y3ng3s3w,
እንደ ምታቀው አንድ ፖለቲከኛን የሚነዱት ፍላጎቶች ስልጣን፣ ገንዘብ፣ ዝናና ክበር/ማንነት ናቸው። በእኔ እምነት የአቢይ ቁጥር 1 ነጂ ፍላጎት ዝና ነው፤ ቀጥሎ ስልጣን ነው። ለዚህ ይመስለኛል በስምና መታወቅ እሱን የሚበልጡ ሰዎች አጠገቡ የማያስጠጋው። በሌላ አነጋገር በራሱ ሙሉ በሙሉ የማይተማመን ሰው ሌላ ጠንካራ ሰው ጋር ስልጣን መጋራት ይፈራል ። ይህ ሊሆን ይችላል እንጂ አቢይ ቢያንስ ጎሹን የውጭ ጉዳይ አማካሪው ያደርገው ነበር። እሱ ብቻ አይደለም፣ ሌሎችም አገሪቱን የሚጠቅሙ ሰዎች ነበሩ/አሉ ። ለምሳሌ የዋሽንግተን አምባሳደር ቦታ መመልከት በቂ ነው ። ያፈውም ያሁኑም ቋንቋ እንኳን የማይችሉ አለቦታቸው የተቀመጡ ናቸው ። የጎሳ ፖልቲካ በሽታ ይባላል።

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Re: ጎሹ ወልዴ (ኢትዮጵያ በደደቦች መመራት ከመጀመሯ በፊት)

Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 12 Jun 2022, 13:32

if you had told me that few years ago I would have whole heartedly agreed with your asertion about derg, however, after the start of the war with TPLF and observing the degree of involvemet of the west and some midde eastern countries in Ethiopia's affairs my perception of the derg has completely changed. What I came to realize is that the west and some middle eastern countries can turn any nationalist government in to a more monster regime than even derg.. Dr Abiy's government is a case in point. If it wasn’t for his extreme patience, which sometimes tested ours, Dr Abiy would have turned in to a deadly monster regime/dictator than even Mengistu. Mengistu was apatriotic ( I know it is unpopular statement but a fact) but unlike Abiy he didn’t know how to counter the west and others. He and his clicks turn against some innocent and others not so innocent people and in turn the people turn against him. And that was the grand plan for the westerners to drive him out.


Selam/ wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 08:40
A brilliant speech & beautiful mind of course, but so what? Meles Zenawi was likewise a brilliant orator. His argument to keep African Union in Addis & his interview with Egyptian TV on Nile Sharing are some of his exemplary extemporaneous speeches.

There is no question about Derg’s firm stance on patriotism & Ethiopian integrity but at the end of the day, they handed over Ethiopia to woyane mafias on a silver platter. And Goshu was part of Derg while the military regime was miserably mismanaging the country for decades, impoverishing it to its bones and resulting in the death & displacement of millions of young people. Those who lost a family member or got incarcerated or tortured never forget the pain inflicted by Mengistu, his cadres & security forces. If it weren’t for Derg, Ethiopia wouldn’t have been subsequently subjected to TPLF atrocities & we wouldn’t have the mess we are in today. As the saying goes bad leaders couldn’t survive without their followers’ compliance and therefore a genius led by an incompetent & brutal dictator is equally impotent.

Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 21:27
Horus wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 20:29
የነገሰው፣
አዋቂዎች ሲተርቱ 'ስም እውነት አይደለም፣ ካርታ መሬት አይደለም' ይላሉ! ስምህ የነገሰው፣ ነገንያየው ይባላል ። ግን ዛሬ የራስክን ስም ተቃረንከው!! የጎሹን ንግግር ስማው፤ ነገን ያየ ሰው ነበር። ከአንድ የተማረ ያወቀ፣ የተመራመረ ሰው የሚጠበቀው ከፍተኛ እውቀት ነገን ማየት ነው ። ዛሬንማ ሁሉም የኔ ብጤ ያያታል ! ከዚያ በተረፈ ጎሹ ኤርትራን አብጠርጥሮ ያውቃታል ። ባህር ሃይልን የመራው ኤርትራ እየኖረ ነው ። ጓደኞቹም ኤርትራዊያን ናቸው ።ጎሹ ግን የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር፣ የኢትዮጵያ ተሟጋች እንጂ የጀብሃ ወይ የሻቢያ ተዋጊ አልነበረም ። ስለዚህ ኤርትራ ምን እንደ ምትፈልግ አያውቅም ነበር የሚለው ትርጉም አልባ ነው። የኢርትራ ተገንጣይና የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር የቆሙት ለተጻራሪ አላማ እንደ ነበር የሚክድ አስተያየት ኢታሪካዊ ይባላል! ጎሹ በቀለም ትህምህርት ብቻ አለነበረም ችሎታው ። ባህር ሃይል መርቷል ። ጦር አስተምሯል፣ ጠበቃ ነው ። የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ነበር ፣ የትምህርት ሚኒስትር ነበር። እንዲያውም ነገን ጥርት አድርጎ ያለ፣ በትግሬ ወያኔ ኢትዮጵያ የሚደርስባት መከራ ለዘላለም በንግግሩ ለታሪክ ያኖረ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ጎሹ ወልዴ ይህው ህያው ሆኖ በህይወቱ የወያኔ ውድቀት እና ግራ ተጋብቶ በአለም መጽዋችነት የተዋረደ ቡድን መሆኑን እየመሰከረ ያለ ነገን ያየ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ትህነግ ማለት ቤተሰቡን መመገብ የማይችል የወደቀ ሰካራም አባ ወራ ማለት ነው። የጎሹን ንግግር ደግመው ስማው ። ያን ሃቅ ነው የዛሬ 30 አመት የነገራቸው! አንድ ጎሹን መውደድ የለበትም፣ ጎሹን አለማድነቅ ግን መላተም ነው !

Horus,
i listened/watched that video a couple of times a while ago and always amazed by how he was able to forsee what is to come but then i don't see anywhere i contradicted your point, did i?

here is my response to Selam's

። These two groups calling themselves , on one side Eritrean and on the other Ethiopians antagonizing on this forum are either both super idiots or are both weyanes talking to each other. Do they even have an idea of how this 4 year old trust between the two countries , after a long long held hatred designed and ocastrated mostly by other countries outside of the two countries and ofcourse recently by their agent weyane, came about? how many lives of both citizens perished due to that hatred ? livelihoods destroyed ? i don't think so ! If it wasn't for the wise men of the two countries realizing that they are being outsmarted and played by others, this would have continued for another generation of Ethiopians and Eritrean . Is that what they are .nostalgic about now? Horus here just stated his admiration of Col Goshu Welde 's brilliance , velifying each other's country isn't even relevant here and won't take us anywhere but disaster.
That being said Col. Goshu is undeniably a world class mind . I remember at my very young age when he was foregn or education minister(not quite sure-i was young) but his name was an inspirational then. And i was, to be honest, so happy when PM Dr Abiy recognized his honesty and contribution while he was on tour in America . It was static, wasn't it for some? Well some are not happy and it is okay but should be a point to antagonize bitterly.

TheManWhoSawTomorow

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Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 12 Jun 2022, 13:46

Talking about Dr. Abiy, my stand is it is too early to put all the blames on him, his actions doesn’t coincide with some people’s perceptions. We need more time before we rush to conclusions.

Let’s agree to disagree on that.



Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 12:12
Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 10:53
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 00:02
የነገው ሰው፣
በጣም ይቅርታ! ጎሹ በአይምሮ ጎበዝ ቢሆንም ፕራክቲካል ሰው አይደለም እያለ ከሚተቸው አብዲሳ ጋር አምታታሁ ። እጅግ ትልቅ ይቅርታ! ቶሎ ቶሎ ሳነብ ያደረኩት ስህተት ነው። የቢሄቪየራል ኢኮኖሚክስ ሊቁዳን ኤል ሃህንማን በፍጥነት ማሰብና በዝግታ ማሰብ ጥቅምና ጉዳታቸው ሲያስተምር በፍጥነት ማሰብ ድክመቱ ለስህተት ያጋልጣል ይላል። ያን ነው ያደረኩት! ኬር
Horus,
That was kind of obvious, I knew you were responding to someone else that why i attached the 'ዋቢ'
አንድ የጠቀስከው ነገር ግን ከሌላው ሁሉ ቀልቤን ሳበው ፣ ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??
Y3ng3s3w,
እንደ ምታቀው አንድ ፖለቲከኛን የሚነዱት ፍላጎቶች ስልጣን፣ ገንዘብ፣ ዝናና ክበር/ማንነት ናቸው። በእኔ እምነት የአቢይ ቁጥር 1 ነጂ ፍላጎት ዝና ነው፤ ቀጥሎ ስልጣን ነው። ለዚህ ይመስለኛል በስምና መታወቅ እሱን የሚበልጡ ሰዎች አጠገቡ የማያስጠጋው። በሌላ አነጋገር በራሱ ሙሉ በሙሉ የማይተማመን ሰው ሌላ ጠንካራ ሰው ጋር ስልጣን መጋራት ይፈራል ። ይህ ሊሆን ይችላል እንጂ አቢይ ቢያንስ ጎሹን የውጭ ጉዳይ አማካሪው ያደርገው ነበር። እሱ ብቻ አይደለም፣ ሌሎችም አገሪቱን የሚጠቅሙ ሰዎች ነበሩ/አሉ ። ለምሳሌ የዋሽንግተን አምባሳደር ቦታ መመልከት በቂ ነው ። ያፈውም ያሁኑም ቋንቋ እንኳን የማይችሉ አለቦታቸው የተቀመጡ ናቸው ። የጎሳ ፖልቲካ በሽታ ይባላል።

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Post by Horus » 12 Jun 2022, 14:04

የነገሰው፣
አሺ። እኔኮ ለዚህ ትያቄህ መመለሴ ነበር። " ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??" ጎሹ ያለውን ሃሳብ ሁሉ አሳውቆ አዲስ አበባ አቢይን ተገናኝቶ ነበር ። ያልተስማሙበት ምንንያት ያንተ ግምት ምንድን ነው?

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Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 12 Jun 2022, 14:45

ገብቶኛል Horus

እኔም ከዛን ግዜ (አዲስ አበባ ከሄደ በሁዋላ) ጀምሮ ስለ ኮ/ል ጎሹ የሰማሁት ምንም ነገር የለም-ለምን ጠፋ፣ ወዴት ጠፋ ምንም መረጃ የለኝም
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 14:04
የነገሰው፣
አሺ። እኔኮ ለዚህ ትያቄህ መመለሴ ነበር። " ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??" ጎሹ ያለውን ሃሳብ ሁሉ አሳውቆ አዲስ አበባ አቢይን ተገናኝቶ ነበር ። ያልተስማሙበት ምንንያት ያንተ ግምት ምንድን ነው?

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Jun 2022, 15:24

I respectfully disagree. Mengistu’s assassination campaign started on the day he overthrew the monarchy. This is a guy who buried the king beneath his office and sat on the remain for almost two decades. He murdered all former Ethiopian minsters, including the finest statesman of all time, Aklilu Habtewold. He killed so many generals that the army eventually turned against him. That mad man killed hundreds of thousands of university students, intellectuals, and politicians including my brother. He embraced socialism and implemented the entire structure as it’s written on the books. A patriot wouldn’t confiscate mud houses and see them dilapidate over the years. He created the most repressive government system in Ethiopian history. What people wear, eat, read, listen to and put in their house were all controlled.

Don’t blame the West for every evil thing Mengistu did. To me, he’s as cruel as TPLF rats, less the ethnicity crap & traitor nature of the latter.


Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 13:32
if you had told me that few years ago I would have whole heartedly agreed with your asertion about derg, however, after the start of the war with TPLF and observing the degree of involvemet of the west and some midde eastern countries in Ethiopia's affairs my perception of the derg has completely changed. What I came to realize is that the west and some middle eastern countries can turn any nationalist government in to a more monster regime than even derg.. Dr Abiy's government is a case in point. If it wasn’t for his extreme patience, which sometimes tested ours, Dr Abiy would have turned in to a deadly monster regime/dictator than even Mengistu. Mengistu was apatriotic ( I know it is unpopular statement but a fact) but unlike Abiy he didn’t know how to counter the west and others. He and his clicks turn against some innocent and others not so innocent people and in turn the people turn against him. And that was the grand plan for the westerners to drive him out.


Selam/ wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 08:40
A brilliant speech & beautiful mind of course, but so what? Meles Zenawi was likewise a brilliant orator. His argument to keep African Union in Addis & his interview with Egyptian TV on Nile Sharing are some of his exemplary extemporaneous speeches.

There is no question about Derg’s firm stance on patriotism & Ethiopian integrity but at the end of the day, they handed over Ethiopia to woyane mafias on a silver platter. And Goshu was part of Derg while the military regime was miserably mismanaging the country for decades, impoverishing it to its bones and resulting in the death & displacement of millions of young people. Those who lost a family member or got incarcerated or tortured never forget the pain inflicted by Mengistu, his cadres & security forces. If it weren’t for Derg, Ethiopia wouldn’t have been subsequently subjected to TPLF atrocities & we wouldn’t have the mess we are in today. As the saying goes bad leaders couldn’t survive without their followers’ compliance and therefore a genius led by an incompetent & brutal dictator is equally impotent.

Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 21:27
Horus wrote:
11 Jun 2022, 20:29
የነገሰው፣
አዋቂዎች ሲተርቱ 'ስም እውነት አይደለም፣ ካርታ መሬት አይደለም' ይላሉ! ስምህ የነገሰው፣ ነገንያየው ይባላል ። ግን ዛሬ የራስክን ስም ተቃረንከው!! የጎሹን ንግግር ስማው፤ ነገን ያየ ሰው ነበር። ከአንድ የተማረ ያወቀ፣ የተመራመረ ሰው የሚጠበቀው ከፍተኛ እውቀት ነገን ማየት ነው ። ዛሬንማ ሁሉም የኔ ብጤ ያያታል ! ከዚያ በተረፈ ጎሹ ኤርትራን አብጠርጥሮ ያውቃታል ። ባህር ሃይልን የመራው ኤርትራ እየኖረ ነው ። ጓደኞቹም ኤርትራዊያን ናቸው ።ጎሹ ግን የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር፣ የኢትዮጵያ ተሟጋች እንጂ የጀብሃ ወይ የሻቢያ ተዋጊ አልነበረም ። ስለዚህ ኤርትራ ምን እንደ ምትፈልግ አያውቅም ነበር የሚለው ትርጉም አልባ ነው። የኢርትራ ተገንጣይና የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር የቆሙት ለተጻራሪ አላማ እንደ ነበር የሚክድ አስተያየት ኢታሪካዊ ይባላል! ጎሹ በቀለም ትህምህርት ብቻ አለነበረም ችሎታው ። ባህር ሃይል መርቷል ። ጦር አስተምሯል፣ ጠበቃ ነው ። የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ነበር ፣ የትምህርት ሚኒስትር ነበር። እንዲያውም ነገን ጥርት አድርጎ ያለ፣ በትግሬ ወያኔ ኢትዮጵያ የሚደርስባት መከራ ለዘላለም በንግግሩ ለታሪክ ያኖረ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ጎሹ ወልዴ ይህው ህያው ሆኖ በህይወቱ የወያኔ ውድቀት እና ግራ ተጋብቶ በአለም መጽዋችነት የተዋረደ ቡድን መሆኑን እየመሰከረ ያለ ነገን ያየ አብርሆተ አይምሮ ነው። ትህነግ ማለት ቤተሰቡን መመገብ የማይችል የወደቀ ሰካራም አባ ወራ ማለት ነው። የጎሹን ንግግር ደግመው ስማው ። ያን ሃቅ ነው የዛሬ 30 አመት የነገራቸው! አንድ ጎሹን መውደድ የለበትም፣ ጎሹን አለማድነቅ ግን መላተም ነው !

Horus,
i listened/watched that video a couple of times a while ago and always amazed by how he was able to forsee what is to come but then i don't see anywhere i contradicted your point, did i?

here is my response to Selam's

። These two groups calling themselves , on one side Eritrean and on the other Ethiopians antagonizing on this forum are either both super idiots or are both weyanes talking to each other. Do they even have an idea of how this 4 year old trust between the two countries , after a long long held hatred designed and ocastrated mostly by other countries outside of the two countries and ofcourse recently by their agent weyane, came about? how many lives of both citizens perished due to that hatred ? livelihoods destroyed ? i don't think so ! If it wasn't for the wise men of the two countries realizing that they are being outsmarted and played by others, this would have continued for another generation of Ethiopians and Eritrean . Is that what they are .nostalgic about now? Horus here just stated his admiration of Col Goshu Welde 's brilliance , velifying each other's country isn't even relevant here and won't take us anywhere but disaster.
That being said Col. Goshu is undeniably a world class mind . I remember at my very young age when he was foregn or education minister(not quite sure-i was young) but his name was an inspirational then. And i was, to be honest, so happy when PM Dr Abiy recognized his honesty and contribution while he was on tour in America . It was static, wasn't it for some? Well some are not happy and it is okay but should be a point to antagonize bitterly.

TheManWhoSawTomorow

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Jun 2022, 15:29

Agreed, it’s too early to make a conclusion given the complexity of Ethiopian politics & mushrooming of stake holders. Today things are 10 fold more complicated than four years ago.
Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 13:46
Talking about Dr. Abiy, my stand is it is too early to put all the blames on him, his actions doesn’t coincide with some people’s perceptions. We need more time before we rush to conclusions.

Let’s agree to disagree on that.



Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 12:12
Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 10:53
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 00:02
የነገው ሰው፣
በጣም ይቅርታ! ጎሹ በአይምሮ ጎበዝ ቢሆንም ፕራክቲካል ሰው አይደለም እያለ ከሚተቸው አብዲሳ ጋር አምታታሁ ። እጅግ ትልቅ ይቅርታ! ቶሎ ቶሎ ሳነብ ያደረኩት ስህተት ነው። የቢሄቪየራል ኢኮኖሚክስ ሊቁዳን ኤል ሃህንማን በፍጥነት ማሰብና በዝግታ ማሰብ ጥቅምና ጉዳታቸው ሲያስተምር በፍጥነት ማሰብ ድክመቱ ለስህተት ያጋልጣል ይላል። ያን ነው ያደረኩት! ኬር
Horus,
That was kind of obvious, I knew you were responding to someone else that why i attached the 'ዋቢ'
አንድ የጠቀስከው ነገር ግን ከሌላው ሁሉ ቀልቤን ሳበው ፣ ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??
Y3ng3s3w,
እንደ ምታቀው አንድ ፖለቲከኛን የሚነዱት ፍላጎቶች ስልጣን፣ ገንዘብ፣ ዝናና ክበር/ማንነት ናቸው። በእኔ እምነት የአቢይ ቁጥር 1 ነጂ ፍላጎት ዝና ነው፤ ቀጥሎ ስልጣን ነው። ለዚህ ይመስለኛል በስምና መታወቅ እሱን የሚበልጡ ሰዎች አጠገቡ የማያስጠጋው። በሌላ አነጋገር በራሱ ሙሉ በሙሉ የማይተማመን ሰው ሌላ ጠንካራ ሰው ጋር ስልጣን መጋራት ይፈራል ። ይህ ሊሆን ይችላል እንጂ አቢይ ቢያንስ ጎሹን የውጭ ጉዳይ አማካሪው ያደርገው ነበር። እሱ ብቻ አይደለም፣ ሌሎችም አገሪቱን የሚጠቅሙ ሰዎች ነበሩ/አሉ ። ለምሳሌ የዋሽንግተን አምባሳደር ቦታ መመልከት በቂ ነው ። ያፈውም ያሁኑም ቋንቋ እንኳን የማይችሉ አለቦታቸው የተቀመጡ ናቸው ። የጎሳ ፖልቲካ በሽታ ይባላል።

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Jun 2022, 15:45

How old is Goshu?
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 14:04
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አሺ። እኔኮ ለዚህ ትያቄህ መመለሴ ነበር። " ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??" ጎሹ ያለውን ሃሳብ ሁሉ አሳውቆ አዲስ አበባ አቢይን ተገናኝቶ ነበር ። ያልተስማሙበት ምንንያት ያንተ ግምት ምንድን ነው?

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Post by Fiyameta » 12 Jun 2022, 16:02

When the Eritrean people's epic armed struggle for independence culminated in the ultimate defeat of Neo-colonialism that had prevented the Eritrean nation from gaining its independence by the deployment of house negroes to hold the Eritrean population back in check, the agony of defeat felt in 1991 pained Goshu Wolde more than it did his masters that he had his televised "What's the matter master, are we sick?" moment at the State Department-- an act so egregious, so outrageous, it will go down to posterity as one of the most shameful day in modern Ethiopian history!



The house Negro lived close to his master. He dressed like his master. He wore his master's second-hand clothes. He ate food that his master left on the table. And he lived in his master's house--probably in the basement or the attic--but he still lived in the master's house. And he could talk just like his master - good diction. And he loved his master more than his master loved himself.
:P :P

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Post by Horus » 12 Jun 2022, 16:21

Selam/ wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 15:45
How old is Goshu?
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 14:04
የነገሰው፣
አሺ። እኔኮ ለዚህ ትያቄህ መመለሴ ነበር። " ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??" ጎሹ ያለውን ሃሳብ ሁሉ አሳውቆ አዲስ አበባ አቢይን ተገናኝቶ ነበር ። ያልተስማሙበት ምንንያት ያንተ ግምት ምንድን ነው?
ገምት ካልከኝ ጎሹ ከ80 አመት አይበልጥም ባይ ነኝ+/-

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Post by Selam/ » 12 Jun 2022, 16:39

Hmm! Do you think he is still politically active at 80?
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 16:21
Selam/ wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 15:45
How old is Goshu?
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2022, 14:04
የነገሰው፣
አሺ። እኔኮ ለዚህ ትያቄህ መመለሴ ነበር። " ይሄውም ለምን ኮ/ል ጎሹ ከአብይ መንግስት ጋር እንደማይሰራ ወይም እንደማያሰሩት ነው :: ከጎጥ ፖለቲከኞች በ
ሚደርስበት ተፅኖ ይሆን? ወይስ ኮ/ል ጎሹ አይፈልግም ??" ጎሹ ያለውን ሃሳብ ሁሉ አሳውቆ አዲስ አበባ አቢይን ተገናኝቶ ነበር ። ያልተስማሙበት ምንንያት ያንተ ግምት ምንድን ነው?
ገምት ካልከኝ ጎሹ ከ80 አመት አይበልጥም ባይ ነኝ+/-

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