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A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 04 Mar 2022, 05:02

:lol:
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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 04 Mar 2022, 05:13

Meanwhile, the US is securing itself - just in case :lol:

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by tolcha » 04 Mar 2022, 05:17

temari wrote:
04 Mar 2022, 05:02
:lol:
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It is not about to trust or not. There are only few countries that stands on its own feet. Primitive Countries like Ethiopia is unable to survive few years without America . Do you know this ? Don’t tell me Eritrea survives. A country that only Oligarchs live life

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 04 Mar 2022, 06:48

tolcha wrote:
04 Mar 2022, 05:17
It is not about to trust or not. There are only few countries that stands on its own feet. Primitive Countries like Ethiopia is unable to survive few years without America . Do you know this ? Don’t tell me Eritrea survives. A country that only Oligarchs live life
Selam brother Tolcha, I agree that only few countries stand on their feet and even the likes of China and Russia need to engage with the west for their economic survival. But there is always a limit for any engagement and a country should never ever put the national interest of others above its own vital national interest. Ukraine exactly did that. It completely sold its own security and national interest to US's national interest.

Instead of compromising with Russia like Finland and Sweden and securing its own national security interest, Ukraine followed the full uncompromising stand of the US 100% thereby destroying its own country. There is always a limit and a red line for any cooperation. Following another country to the full while completely losing sight of your own national interest is not only naive but right out stupidity.

Ukraine should have listened to what this Chicago University professor 6 years ago warned them.

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by eden » 04 Mar 2022, 08:04

Ukraine current leader is making same mistake hgdef is making. He befriends far away leaders that are fierce rivals of next door leaders. It"s like Aforqi befriending Abiy who is rival or enemy of Debretsion. This is pure stupidity - especially for a man that fought to get away from Ethiopia for 30 years.

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Fed_Up » 04 Mar 2022, 09:55

eden wrote:
04 Mar 2022, 08:04
Ukraine current leader is making same mistake hgdef is making. He befriends far away leaders that are fierce rivals of next door leaders. It"s like Aforqi befriending Abiy who is rival or enemy of Debretsion. This is pure stupidity - especially for a man that fought to get away from Ethiopia for 30 years.
Full flagged stupidity. God Almighty!! :oops: :roll:
How low one can go? Neger enda agame smh

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Temt » 04 Mar 2022, 10:37

eden wrote:
04 Mar 2022, 08:04
Ukraine current leader is making same mistake hgdef is making. He befriends far away leaders that are fierce rivals of next door leaders. It"s like Aforqi befriending Abiy who is rival or enemy of Debretsion. This is pure stupidity - especially for a man that fought to get away from Ethiopia for 30 years.
And this is coming from buda Agame! LOL

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 04 Mar 2022, 13:31

Ukraine’s president seems hopelessly naive. He still believes NATO can impose a no-fly zone :lol: . The delusion is unbelievable!

The lady reporter said: “Ukrainian president truly believes a no-fly zone is the way to save his country” but NATO refused his plea. How naive is the guy to believe NATO would go to war with Russia to save Ukraine? OMG!


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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 04 Mar 2022, 14:33

Eden wrote “ it is like Aforki befriending Abiy who is rival or enemy of Debretsion. This is pure stupidity.” What an interesting sentences those two are. Maybe they are not. Let us put it under the knife to slice out the hidden message : tribalism. The message Eden tried to impart here is instead of Debretsion who is Tigrean who shares the same language and culture as Isayes — calm down the Eritrean ER crowd I am not saying that rather I am reading Eden — he friended with the Oromo Abiy who was parading as an Amhara. Yes, the Eden dream of the greater Tigrean speaking nation building still is living in her mind.
The truth is Isayes decision is not “ stupidity.” It is a wise decision. A stable and friendly Ethiopia is a welcome to Eritrea. Isayes rightly believes an Ethiopia dissected with ethnic politics is not good for Eritrea. A collapsed Ethiopia might export her problem to neighboring nations. Eden was angry Isayes who fought for thirty years for independence could be a friend with an Ethiopian leader. What a lowlife ! Isayes should not make friends based only on past history. A stable and friendly Ethiopia benefits Eritrea as I said before. That stable and friendly Ethiopia could be born by Ethiopians, not by regional rebels.

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Fiyameta » 04 Mar 2022, 14:37

Finland and Sweden are not recipients of US financial aid, but the Ukraine is, to the tune of $1 billion dollars a year-- the same amount the slave agame received every year for 27 years. “He who feeds you, controls you” (Thomas Sankara)

In addition, both Finland and Sweden are not members of NATO, for they saw the membership as catalyst for a potential conflict with their larger neighbor, Russia. But for the Ukraine, a country led by a comedian, joining NATO became its primary goal at all cost, and it's now paying a heavy price for its blunders. The only difference between the Ukraine and the Tigray is the color of their skin.
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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Cigar » 04 Mar 2022, 20:18

I wonder which is the closest country to Eritrea the finfinti agame eden has in her crooked mind PIA should befriended?
Don’t Eritrea and Ethiopia border each other?
And do agames know geography?
Why do the agames act stupid instead of swallowing the pill that they are Ethiopian and be happy that the two govt are friends as eden the agame said?

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 05 Mar 2022, 04:58

It seems slowly but surely reality is sinking in Zelensky’s head. He now seems to realize he’s country is not important for the US and NATO as he delusionally believed. Ukraine was only used as a playing ball to provoke Russia and scare the shiit out of western Europe to restore NATO’s lost significance role and to cut western Europe from Russian gas. Sorry, Ukraine was only the playing ball to advance US interest and nothing more.

If only Zelensky knew few weeks ago what he seem to have realized now, may be he would have put his country’s interest before anyone’s. He should now wake up from his delusion and make a deal with Russia asap before it’s too late for him. What a delusional clown!

Zelensky lashes out at NATO. He said NATO until now provided Ukraine only few diesel fuel :lol:



Meanwhile, the US and the west have made it clear they will continue buying russian oil not to harm their economies. That’s what it’s called putting ones interest above all and the likes of Zelensky should take note. The world we live in is a brutal place where everyone is looking for his own interest.


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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 05 Mar 2022, 11:13

temari you seem to imply Putin is the rational actor in this conflict. I do not think that is the case. Yes, Ukraine is going to suffer a lot. Many civilians will be killed. A significant number of the cities buildings, bridges and so on will be decimated. But at the end the war is not winnable because the premise that Putin has had about the war is flawed. Putin thought if he got rid of the “ Nazi loving” leaders of Ukraine, Ukrainians will welcome him with flowers at hand. That turns out to be a misguided belief. There are some in the Western media who have questioned of his being there, meaning he had gone insane. I do not believe even for a second that to be the case. I do however think he has miscalculated badly. To begin with the Russian economy is not strong enough to conduct a long war. The late US senator McCain might have exaggerated a bit when he said Russia is a gas station parading as a nation, but there is some truth to it.
Russia now is more isolated in the world than ever before. The sanctions imposed and will continue to be will negatively affect the Russian economy.
After conducting such punishing war to believe Russia will administer Ukraine peacefully is a misguided belief. A city insurgents warfare that will continue for a long time is a given. How the war might end even the best minds in military theory are not sure. But almost all agree Russia’s dream of getting rid of the Nazis to be welcomed by Ukrainians is a bizarre daydream.

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by sarcasm » 05 Mar 2022, 11:45

Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
05 Mar 2022, 11:13
temari you seem to imply Putin is the rational actor in this conflict. I do not think that is the case. Yes, Ukraine is going to suffer a lot. Many civilians will be killed. A significant number of the cities buildings, bridges and so on will be decimated. But at the end the war is not winnable because the premise that Putin has had about the war is flawed. Putin thought if he got rid of the “ Nazi loving” leaders of Ukraine, Ukrainians will welcome him with flowers at hand. That turns out to be a misguided belief. There are some in the Western media who have questioned of his being there, meaning he had gone insane. I do not believe even for a second that to be the case. I do however think he has miscalculated badly. To begin with the Russian economy is not strong enough to conduct a long war. The late US senator McCain might have exaggerated a bit when he said Russia is a gas station parading as a nation, but there is some truth to it.
Russia now is more isolated in the world than ever before. The sanctions imposed and will continue to be will negatively affect the Russian economy.
After conducting such punishing war to believe Russia will administer Ukraine peacefully is a misguided belief. A city insurgents warfare that will continue for a long time is a given. How the war might end even the best minds in military theory are not sure. But almost all agree Russia’s dream of getting rid of the Nazis to be welcomed by Ukrainians is a bizarre daydream.

It seems that you have learned a lesson from Abiy, Isaias & Amhara political elites' military adventure in Tigray. The similarities between the invasion of Tigray and Ukraine are striking, although Tigray and Ukraine do not have the same level of sovereignty. Lets rewrite your above quote by replacing Russia with Ethiopia, Ukraine with Tigray, and Vladimir Putin with Abiy Ahmed.
Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
05 Mar 2022, 11:13
temari you seem to imply Putin is the rational actor in this conflict. I do not think that is the case. Yes, Ukraine Tigray is going to suffer a lot. Many civilians will be killed. A significant number of the cities buildings, bridges and so on will be decimated. But at the end the war is not winnable because the premise that Putin Abiy has had about the war is flawed. Putin Abiy thought if he got rid of the “ Nazi Weyane loving” leaders of Ukraine Tigray, Ukrainians Tigrayans will welcome him with flowers at hand. That turns out to be a misguided belief. There are some in the Western media who have questioned of his being there, meaning he had gone insane. I do not believe even for a second that to be the case. I do however think he has miscalculated badly. To begin with the Russian Ethiopian economy is not strong enough to conduct a long war. The late US senator McCain might have exaggerated a bit when he said Russia Ethiopia is a gas poverty station parading as a nation, but there is some truth to it.
Russia Ethiopia now is more isolated in the world than ever before. The sanctions imposed and will continue to be will negatively affect the Russian Ethiopian economy.
After conducting such punishing war to believe Russia Ethiopia will administer Ukraine Tigray peacefully is a misguided belief. A city insurgents warfare that will continue for a long time is a given. How the war might end even the best minds in military theory are not sure. But almost all agree Russia’s Ethiopia's dream of getting rid of the Nazis Weyane to be welcomed by Ukrainians Tigrayans is a bizarre daydream.

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 05 Mar 2022, 12:14

Eden I do not have to answer. You did it for me : “ Tigray and Ukraine do not have the same level of sovereignty.”

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by quindibu » 05 Mar 2022, 13:28

Somehow the fact that Ukraine is just a very small cog in the biggest machinery of World politics seems to elude the Ukrainian leadership....... It tried to bite more than it can chew heavily relying on others, with devastating consequences to its citizens. So it would be naive to frame the issue as a war between Russia and Ukraine; as it's equally too simplistic to take at face value Russia's specious claims of 'de-nazifying and de-militarizng' Ukraine. Russia's goal is simply to keep NATO out of its bedroom, and unfortunately that will be done at the expense of Ukraine, for the rippling effect of this war will negatively impact Ukraine for the foreseeable future, assuming that Ukraine would survive this onslaught and exist as a statehood, constituted politically and geographically as we know it now.



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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 05 Mar 2022, 14:18

Remember this? :lol:


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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by Selam/ » 05 Mar 2022, 14:48

Never trust Americans, British & French. This is like politics 101. They [deleted] the juice out of you & discard you in garbage bin. The Agames jumped up & down when Obama said this: “We don't need to send our own marines in to do the fighting: The Ethiopians are tough fighters and the Kenyans and Ugandans have been serious about what they're doing."

TPLF thugs are now back in Stone Age. Likewise, Zelenskyy the midget thought his English fluency would bring NATO to Kyiv and shield him from Putin’s fire eagles. Oh boy, what a terrible miscalculation. To make things worse, the blue-eyed hawks keep sending him money & armaments to boost his over-identified persona, which is turning his country into hell. This is clearly not going to end well and as soon as Russia controls the entire country, Zelenskyy & Ukraine will be history like Crimea, Syria or Afghanistan.

That’s how the white man’s brain functions. They use & trash you in the dust bin of history. Unfortunately, countries & politicians like in east Europe & Africa have a bitter inferiority-complex and never learn from others. They keep doing the same mistake over and over again.

quindibu wrote:
05 Mar 2022, 13:28
Somehow the fact that Ukraine is just a very small cog in the biggest machinery of World politics seems to elude the Ukrainian leadership....... It tried to bite more than it can chew heavily relying on others, with devastating consequences to its citizens. So it would be naive to frame the issue as a war between Russia and Ukraine; as it's equally too simplistic to take at face value Russia's specious claims of 'de-nazifying and de-militarizng' Ukraine. Russia's goal is simply to keep NATO out of its bedroom, and unfortunately that will be done at the expense of Ukraine, for the rippling effect of this war will negatively impact Ukraine for the foreseeable future, assuming that Ukraine would survive this onslaught and exist as a statehood, constituted politically and geographically as we know it now.



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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by DefendTheTruth » 05 Mar 2022, 16:28

We are just watching it from a distance, the issue at hand is a matter of life and death for thousands, millions are affected by the plights of what a war means, already. Still counting.

We have to ask ourselves about why? Is this war really unavoidable?

In my view the last Ethiopian war agains TPLF was unavoidable, the integrity of the nation was endangered.

I don't think the Russians are threating the sovereignty of Ukraine, they are demanding that NATO shouldn't come any closer any more, for the sake of their own national (strategic) interest.

NATO is trying to justify its encroachment toward Russia saying it is only a defensive mechanism and it will not going to endanger Russia by its expanding east. The question they don't say so clearily thereby is against whom are you defending yourself? Whom do you have in mind when trying to expand NATO towards the east?

I was listening to NATO's General Secretary answering a question posed to him from a journalist on the issue of enforcing a "No-Fly Zone" over Ukraine, for which the Ukrainian President is dying hard currently. His answer was short and precise, "No, we are not going to do that, that will trigger automatically a full-fledged war in Europe", which made caught me in a loud laughter.

He told Ukraine that you are not in Europe, I don't know how the president of that country will react to this view from NATO's General Secretary. "Adding an insult to sustained injury" they say.

I also read somewhere that the West is now considering to send an envoy to the two capitals, Moscow and Kyiv, to help in negotiating a cease fire and including an agreement on the future of Ukraine in the discussion, if it is hoped to bear any meaning.

After all those "lethal aids", so many people killed, many more forced to flee, so many damages to Ukraine, etc. the solution is in what President Putin was saying all along.

Zielinski should take pride in his leadership skill here, more than anyone else.

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Re: A lesson for Ukraine

Post by temari » 09 Mar 2022, 04:09

Let alone to impose a No-fly-zone, the US and NATO are not even ready to give MIG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine. Poland don't want to do it itself and wants to send them to the US base in Germany. The US and Germany rejected the idea of delivering fighter jets to Ukraine. Forget a No-fly-zone, Ukraine is on its own. The stupid Ukrainian leadership should have thought about its own interest first. What a mess!



I was never a fun of Tucker but it seems he got it right on this one (thanks Fiyameta for the video).


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