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[Noble Amhara]

Poor Halafimengedi,

You have been talking about names of places, finished packets crayons drawing maps, etc. etc. of Abay Tigray. Sadly, your maps have been ripped off and ordinary Amhara farmers with Ak47 are sitting on it now. Worst of all, all those your illusionary place have become burial cites of Tigres. Real sad, in every 5 meter of these lands there is at least one dead body of Tigres. You did not get any land but you became fertilizers of these lands. Now, the trouble is nocking at the TPLF's door at Mekele, Tigre mothers have started a movement called <<Where are Our Children?>>. Are you going to take these mothers to visit the graveyard of their children? You must have the courage to do that, but you don't have it. Regarding the names of place bet in Europe or North America, etc. that sounds Tigringa blindly you claim it is Tigre (ጅል የትግሬ ኬኛ). ቀብሪ ዳህር አብዲ ኢሌ አገር አለልህ you may go there and claim it ,if you can. Listen, about 60 % the Tigrigna words are taken from Amharic Language. It is very difficult to make distinction between Tigrigna and Amharic words , let alone places. As Tigrigna is a late comer, it adopted several words that are both in Amharic and Geez Language. Per Richard Pankhurst historical and linguistic surveys, Tigrigna came from South Yemen and Tigres used to serve in the Axum Palace of the Amhara Kingdom ;and Tigrigna words infiltrated into Amharic language later and vice versa. As the Amhara kingdom moved southward in search of better land, those Tigres that don't make it to the south ( because they were not serving the army) remained with their original Yemeni originated Tigre language assimilated with Amharigna languages in the environs of Axum. This is the historical fact, keep it close to your heart. Don't waste your time የከብት ባልዋለበት ኩበት ለቀማ ስራ በመልፋት።

Tigrigna is the mother of Amharic. The source of Amhara language and religion ( Orthodoxy and Islam ) is Eritrea.

Even now there are attempts by Amhara scholars to take some Amharic words back to their Tigrigna origin and sound.

[Abere]

Noble Amhara,

--- Thanks for sharing the letter sent by King Zara Yaqob. The way and the etiquette it was written by then was unmatchable by todays standard. We all should feel proud of our kings that made this country always great and left an indelible legacy behind.

--- Regrading the similarity between Amharic and Tigringa language, I believe you nailed it too. Tigrigna took at least 60% of Amharic words. Being impartial, Amharic has an intrinsic natural unique quality in Africa for being very elastic, adaptive and progressive of explaining abstract ideas and objects in time and place across diverse groups. So, it stands out on its own among the diverse languages to become almost to serve as universal language in Ethiopia.

--- Also, as to the origin and background of Muslim and Christianity. Yes, still being impartial, it is fact the Islam religion took its roots in present day Woll( the then Bete-Amhara) through the Arab merchants, not due to the refugees of the Arabs in Tigary Negash, they just came and dead letter with out spreading the faith. Why I say this, the ወረ ሼክ or ወረ ሴክ is the true testimony where the patriarch of the faith physically came to Wollo and begun their work. Also, the legendary ዓሊ ቤት and ዐበይ ቤት lines in Wollo are filled with these brothers of Arab origin caravans followed with several Arabs settled in Bete-Amhara and established many religious schools. That is why Bete-Amhara(Wollo) is the place of most Muslim scholars until this day.

--- As to the Origin of the Abrahamic Orthodox Christianity, it is better to began with where the Arch of Covenant arrived and kept for long in Ethiopia. The Arch of Covenant which very later transported to Axum was originally housed for long in the monastery of Lake Tana. The rightful owner of the Ark is Gojama in Lake Tana, not Tigray in Axum. Furthermore, the first school of divinity or Christianity in Ethiopia is the Monastery of Haiq Estifanos in Bete-Amhara, few kilo meters from Ambassel Gishen Mariam, historical cite of the palace of Libene Dengel. Therefore, truly speaking the long past of Ethiopia was characterized by the contribution of Amhara Kings.

Sharing such kind of documents will help unearth the true history to learn for the new generation.

Poor Halafimengedi,

You have been talking about names of places, finished packets crayons drawing maps, etc. etc. of Abay Tigray. Sadly, your maps have been ripped off and ordinary Amhara farmers with Ak47 are sitting on it now. Worst of all, all those your illusionary place have become burial cites of Tigres. Real sad, in every 5 meter of these lands there is at least one dead body of Tigres. You did not get any land but you became fertilizers of these lands. Now, the trouble is nocking at the TPLF's door at Mekele, Tigre mothers have started a movement called <<Where are Our Children?>>. Are you going to take these mothers to visit the graveyard of their children? You must have the courage to do that, but you don't have it. Regarding the names of place bet in Europe or North America, etc. that sounds Tigringa blindly you claim it is Tigre (ጅል የትግሬ ኬኛ). ቀብሪ ዳህር አብዲ ኢሌ አገር አለልህ you may go there and claim it ,if you can. Listen, about 60 % the Tigrigna words are taken from Amharic Language. It is very difficult to make distinction between Tigrigna and Amharic words , let alone places. As Tigrigna is a late comer, it adopted several words that are both in Amharic and Geez Language. Per Richard Pankhurst historical and linguistic surveys, Tigrigna came from South Yemen and Tigres used to serve in the Axum Palace of the Amhara Kingdom ;and Tigrigna words infiltrated into Amharic language later and vice versa. As the Amhara kingdom moved southward in search of better land, those Tigres that don't make it to the south ( because they were not serving the army) remained with their original Yemeni originated Tigre language assimilated with Amharigna languages in the environs of Axum. This is the historical fact, keep it close to your heart. Don't waste your time የከብት ባልዋለበት ኩበት ለቀማ ስራ በመልፋት።

Tigrigna is the mother of Amharic. The source of Amhara language and religion ( Orthodoxy and Islam ) is Eritrea.

Even now there are attempts by Amhara scholars to take some Amharic words back to their Tigrigna origin and sound.

First of all Amharic is not from Tigrinya, Amharic is partially from Geez just as French and Spanish is partially from Latin Amhara kings all had Geez names for religious purposes like the name Lebna Dengel

. Amharic also is not from Agewugna but has minor connections with the language. Amharic is mostly Amhara made language, Amharas made up their own words like Wiha that are not found in Geez or Agewugna. Amharas also modified Geez to sound more softer even amharic numbers are very confusing to tigrinya Numbers

Compare the number 4 in Amharic Arat vs in Tiginya Arbaeate!

Amharic is its own language Geez is just one part of Amharic mostly the religious and numeral part of Amharic. Amarigna is also very different to Agewugna and Tigringa or Oromigna. Amharic has some similarities with Oromigna and Tigrinya but its like 10%. Amharic is its own language like 60-70% of Amharic is made up by the Amhara People even the (H) was softened and later removed in Amharic Amhara became Amara just because it sounds softer while the tigrinya speak very rough and dont mind it; Amhara always seek to communicate in a smoother tone

Even Islam and Orthodoxy is not Tigrinya or Eritrean religions. Islam came to Amhara region via Arab Merchants that contacted with Amharas known as Argobbas (Areb Gebba) And spread Islam through trade to merchant towns like Gondar beginning in 900s in Shonke .

Christianity came to Amhara through Egyptian Coptic Church. Not Aksum. Aksum is a child of the Orientatal Churches of Egypt and Syria. Prior to Yekuno Amlaks Solomonic Dynasty there was more Jews then Christian and Muslim Amhara combined.


Agewigna Language

Shonke Village were Arabs Islam was introduced to Amhara

Egyptian Orthodox Christianity

[Abe Abraham]

• Until sometime ago the VOA had this " Tigrigna pre-dates Amharic " written one of its pages. It is no wonder because ብላዕ is the mother of ብላ and the same with ኮነ and ሆነ ። I have always thought that the beautiful Amharic was a version of Tigrigna that is why I never remember learning it as a foreign language. As a 5 years old kid, I was singing in Amharic at school ፡ ልጆች ! ያልሰማነውን ለመስማት ፡ ያስፈልገናል እጅግ መንቃት ፡ ዝሆን የት ኣለ ያ እንሰሳ ፡ በኩንቢው ዛፉን የሚያነሳ !!! We never spoke Amharic at home.

[Abere]

Abe Abraham,

I think it is always better to refer to academic authority sources to satisfying our curiosity. It is not good to depend on sources like VOA for scientific findings. And also mono-source based inference is not good. Anyway, everything in this universe is connected, one way or another by accident or by event of natural process. That is why Tigrigna has many Amharic words and Amharic words sounding or resembling Tigrigna. You are not alone, many people make mistakes that Tigrigna is older than Amharic. Simply for these two reasons: 1) Tigray is north 2) Tigrigna words sound rough/has angry tones. However, the reality is different. Tigrigna adopted Amharic words and it mingled with resulting in the accents of the words becoming heavy. For instance, Nigerians are fluent speaker of English, yet they are not Britons. You heard a Nigerian pronounced money as ሞኒ more differently than a UK native. That is why you hear an Amhara pronounced ብላ the Tigre pronounced it with a heavy accent of ብላዕ. You can see where the origin of the language is now. In any case, this does not take away, these two groups don't have a shared value. Society's fabric is built on a give and take basis.

• Until sometime ago the VOA had this " Tigrigna pre-dates Amharic " written one of its pages. It is no wonder because ብላዕ is the mother of ብላ and the same with ኮነ and ሆነ ። I have always thought that the beautiful Amharic was a version of Tigrigna that is why I never remember learning it as a foreign language. As a 5 years old kid, I was singing in Amharic at school ፡ ልጆች ! ያልሰማነውን ለመስማት ፡ ያስፈልገናል እጅግ መንቃት ፡ ዝሆን የት ኣለ ያ እንሰሳ ፡ በኩንቢው ዛፉን የሚያነሳ !!! We never spoke Amharic at home.

[Noble Amhara]

Early Amharic Poem written by Ethiopian Atse Amdeseyon 1314-1344

Some of these regions listed on the song include:

ትግሬ Tigray
ገንዝ Ganz (now Ambo)
ባሌ Bale
ደዋሮ Dawaro (now Arsi)
ፈጠጋር Fetegar (Sendafa-Aleltu-Adama)
ግድም Gidim
ኬፋት Ifat (Afar)
አንጎት Angot (Raya)
አገው Agew
ቋዣም Gojam
ዳሞት Damot
ጋፋት Gafat (Holeta and Mugar)
ወጅ Waj (Daleti-Sebeta)

[eritrea]

I think it is always better to refer to academic authority sources to satisfying our curiosity.

I totally agree with you that such kinds of conclusions should be supported by academical references since they are based on well documented analyses. But all languages Tigringa, Tigre, and Amharic are Semitic and originates from Geez language. How different languages evolved to the current status is something that will need academical research. But, though I can't speak Amharic , I can still understand most of the content of a message. But in Eritrea, I am not sure how the study was done but it is generally known that the first language that evolved from Geez was Tigre, then Tigringa and then Amharic.

[Temt]

Noble Amhara,
The above letter you posted seems to be written in Tigrigna than in Amharic. It is mostly Geez language. But, did you notice that under the phrase that you have red-lighted, "ትሰመይ ተጒለት"፡ the word "ትብጻሕ", which means "ይድረስ" in Amharic is clearly Tigrigna, not ኣማርኛ, as you claim. Most Amharic speakers do not know what the word "ትብጻሕ" means.

[free-tembien]

guys this is geez not amharic or tigrigna. nobel agame knows why he posts these things NOW.
he thinks he can create some beef. don't fall for his agame tricks

[Abe Abraham]

Noble Amhara,
The above letter you posted seems to be written in Tigrigna than in Amharic. It is mostly Geez language. But, did you notice that under the phrase that you have red-lighted, "ትሰመይ ተጒለት"፡ the word "ትብጻሕ", which means "ይድረስ" in Amharic is clearly Tigrigna, not ኣማርኛ, as you claim. Most Amharic speakers do not know what the word "ትብጻሕ" means.

Here is the evidence !!

ትብጻሕ/ይብጻሕ በየኣማርኛ እናት የሆነች ትግርኛ !!!

[Abere]

ወንድሜ ትግርኛ ታቅፎ ባለበት የቀረው የአረጀ አማርኛ ነው እንጅ <ትብጻህ> ትግርኛ ሁኖ አይደለም። ብዙ የትግርኛ ቃላቶች በደንብ አማራ ገጠር ላደገ ጥንት አማርኛ ነው። የ ፀ እና ጠ አቃቂር በመተው። <ትብጻሕ> ማለት ትበቃ ዘንድ ወይም በዘመነኛው ትድረስ ዘንድ ማለት ነው።በግዕዝ ያበጽኻነ ለመንግስተ ሰማያት በአማርኛ ደግሞለመንግስተ ሰማያት ያብቃን ወይም ያድርሰን ማለት ነው። ስርወ ቃሉ ጥንተ ጥንት አምሃረኛ ነው። በትግሬ ፅብፃብ ዜና ይላል በአማርኛ ጥብጥብ ማለት በየሜዳው ታስሮ የተበተነ ዝርዝር ነዶ ማለት። ተመልከት ትግርኛ ተሻሽሎ ዝርዝር ከማለት ይልቅvቁሳዊ ቃል ተጠቅሞ ሀሳባዊ ነገር ለመግለፅ የሚወጣ የሚወርድበትን መነግድ ነው። ከአማርኛ ውስዶ አይጥ እንደ ዋጠ እንትን ባለበት ቁጭ ብሏል።

Noble Amhara,
The above letter you posted seems to be written in Tigrigna than in Amharic. It is mostly Geez language. But, did you notice that under the phrase that you have red-lighted, "ትሰመይ ተጒለት"፡ the word "ትብጻሕ", which means "ይድረስ" in Amharic is clearly Tigrigna, not ኣማርኛ, as you claim. Most Amharic speakers do not know what the word "ትብጻሕ" means.

[Noble Amhara]

This letter is from 700 years ago so of course there are many words that have been changed even the name Amhara became Amara and the H was removed as amara people like to speak smoothly that is why many Harsh Geez words barely made into the Amharic language as it did in Eritrea and Tigray

modern amharic is not the same as Old Amharic Geez words evolved and many were thrown out over centuries so this isnt shocking also Kings spoke Geez and usually would be religiously educated in Debre Damo that is why they knew more northern words then the average Amara at the times

Noble Amhara,
The above letter you posted seems to be written in Tigrigna than in Amharic. It is mostly Geez language. But, did you notice that under the phrase that you have red-lighted, "ትሰመይ ተጒለት"፡ the word "ትብጻሕ", which means "ይድረስ" in Amharic is clearly Tigrigna, not ኣማርኛ, as you claim. Most Amharic speakers do not know what the word "ትብጻሕ" means.

[Abere]

My Eritrea Brother/Sister,

I agree with your recommendation. Things like these requires scholarly research works. It is true, many Tigrigna speaking folks can understand or guess Amharic speech or written texts; so do many Amhara understands or guess written messages and texts in Tigrigna. As to which comes first, further research is important. I heard of several theories such as
1) Amharic and Tigrigna evolved and branched out of Geez at the same time
2) Amharic, Tigrigna and Geez were related yet co-exist side by side
3) Tigrigna evolved as hybrid of Amharic and Geez and some says
4) Amharic evolved from Tigrigna, (this is very unlikely given the scale - my understanding).

Most important of all studying this is just for academic curiosity otherwise, language does not indicate who its speakers actually were or are. Those who speak Tigrigna does not mean they were originally Tigre and vice versa. There could be who actually are Amhara or Agew, etc. or mix of all who speak Tigrigna and thinks they are Tigre. So, language is not a defining criteria of culture or personality.

I think it is always better to refer to academic authority sources to satisfying our curiosity.

I totally agree with you that such kinds of conclusions should be supported by academical references since they are based on well documented analyses. But all languages Tigringa, Tigre, and Amharic are Semitic and originates from Geez language. How different languages evolved to the current status is something that will need academical research. But, though I can't speak Amharic , I can still understand most of the content of a message. But in Eritrea, I am not sure how the study was done but it is generally known that the first language that evolved from Geez was Tigre, then Tigringa and then Amharic.