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[sarcasm]

"በምርጫ የተደረገ ጦርነት ነው። ልጅህ በተኛበት ታርዷል ብለህ ሕዝብን አነሳስተህ ጦርነት ጀምረህ አሁን ደግሞ ለመውጣት እሚያቅትህ ደረጃ ጋር ስትደርስ፤ ተጠያቂነት አለ። " አቶ ክቡር ገና

"ብልህ መሪዎች የነበሩበት ነው ይሄ ሀገር። እንዲህ በቀላሉ ነገሮችን በዚህም በዚያም ሳያመዛዝን እማይፈለግበት ቦታ የሚገባ አልነበረም። " አቶ ክቡር ገና

[Abe Abraham]

There is no doubt that Mr Kibur Genna is a noble man but his way of thinking is totally wrong. He doesn't know the Tigrayan mentality very well. That is his main weak point. What is to negotiate with anti-peace dingayoch who insist on ruling Ethiopia despite their tiny size and history of crimes of around 28 years ?

[EthioRedSea]

Kibur Gena is a fascist. He is stupid and an idiot. Tigray was invaded by Eritrea and Eritrea with Abiy Ahmed committed genocide in Tigray. Innocent citizens of Tigray-Ethiopia were killed by Abiy troops and women were raped. Telecommunication , internet and electricity were cut. Banks were closed. Food aid was blocked by Abiy Ahmed troops. Farm animals, crops were destroyed by Eritrea and Abiy Ahmed troops.

Kibur Genna and the others like him should have known this and opposed to the genocide of Tigray people. They rather stood with Eritrea and Abiy Ahmed hoping for Tigray to be destroyed. The likesof Kibur Gena should be arrested

[Sam Ebalalehu]

Ethiopians have spoken. They thought with his shortcomings noted Abiy is the right leader to lead the country right now. They voted overwhelmingly for his new party. Those Ethiopians matter. They chart the future of Ethiopia.
Those who try to write their version of what happened might satisfy the interest of some, but they have practically zero influence about what is unfolding in Ethiopian politics. Ethiopians do.

[gearhead]

Current condition was fait-accompli ; once andargachew's, asmara written transitional roadmap went underway.Now, Tigray will be caught-up in a stalemate limbo. If it is lucky, its independence will be recognized!

andargachew's roadmap has birthed a new condition ! the feeding and maintaining 500k to 1mil amhara militia and paying back eritrea! How else will this be accomplished but through plunder of southern lands?we are in the era of salsa menelik!

[Dawi]

Current condition was fait-accompli ; once andargachew's, asmara written transitional roadmap went underway.Now, Tigray will be caught-up in a stalemate limbo. If it is lucky, its independence will be recognized!

andargachew's roadmap has birthed a new condition ! the feeding and maintaining 500k to 1mil amhara militia and paying back eritrea! How else will this be accomplished but through plunder of southern lands?we are in the era of salsa menelik!

የማን ቤት ለምቶ የማን ሊብጅ
የኣውሬ "መለጃ" ይሆናል አንጂ

gear,

Yes, Tigrai shall be independent if TPLF doesn't reach Arat Kilo! :~)

In the following Andargachew tells his side of the story; how a smaller role he plays in the overall picture. He doesn't even have control of ESAT.
You're giving him the loin's share for some reason. He may have written a 'Transitional road map" of some kind, so did Jawar and Abiy had his own too.

The other major factor you ignore is the Amhara's role in overthrowing Woyane, to liberate itself from the yoke of oppression and against the annexation of its land. Woyane committed genocide for the last 50 years against it to keep the stolen land from the Amhara.

Karma is a b!itch!

ኣሁንም በገዛ መሬታችን ጾሙንስ ብናሳደረው ምንባታችሁ ኣገባችሁ አናተ ዝም ብላች ሁ የለምዳች ሁትን ችጋር ማስታመመ ነው በመለምን መቼም ምስራት ሃሳቡም የላችሁም
ኣምራ በየዋህነት ነው አንጂ ካልፈለግ ልምን ስማይ ዝቅ ምድርም ከፍ ኣይልም ካልመሰለው በማንም ኣይገደድም ይህንን ደግሞ ከማንም ይበለጠ አናተው ታውቁታላች ሁ ምሪያች ሁ መለስ ዜናዊ ያለውን ምስማት ነው አይደጋገምሽ ኣታደንቁሪን

የማን ቤት ለምቶ የማን ሊብጅ
የኣውሬ መለጃ ይሆናል አንጂ

ይሀው የተረገመውን ትግራይ ያወሬ መውልጃ እየሆነልሽ ነው

እኔም እኮ የሚገርመኝ ለ፳፯ ዓመት ምንም ሳይሰሩበት፣ ያን ያህል ትልቅ መሬት ይዘው፣ 1.2 ሚሊዮን የትግራይ ሕዝብ የርዳታ እህል ለሃያ ሰባት ዓመት እንዴት ይቀልባል? አሳፋሪዎች!

አሁን ለማስመለስ ወጣቶችን ያስጨርሳሉ፣ ለምን?

አትረሱ ያላቸው ሰው የለም፣ ሁሉም ኢትዮጵያዊ የትም ሄዶ መሥራት እንዲችል ማድረግ ይቻላል፣ መቀማትን ምን አመጣው?

አምሓራ መሬቱን አትጠቀሙበት አላለም፣ ለምን ይቀማል?

[Educator]

Brilliant discussion for those who can handle the truth.

[gearhead]

Rejection by Abiy of UN recommended pull back to status quo ante is a valid cause for TDF to aspire for the empire's control center, Addis Ababa!

The two guests avoided the issue that Amhara forces never pulled out of Tigray!

[sarcasm]

Rejection by Abiy of UN recommended pull back to status quo ante is a valid cause for TDF to aspire for the empire's control center, Addis Ababa!

The two guests avoided the issue that Amhara forces never pulled out of Tigray!

Good observation. Restoration of Status Quo Ante is a standard textbook conflict resolution condition which every international org, government or mediator supports. The other alternative is to allow the warring parties to keep territorial gains achieved in the conflict. Such arrangement would be a recipe for future wars, though.

The below comment in other threads really summarizes how a return to status quo ante would end the military conflict.

If the Amhara regional government withdraws from western Tigray, the war is effectively over. That would be so because all parties would automatically lose any reason to continue the war.

1 - Amhara government will have no reason to fight Tigray region if the land issue is referred to arbitration. They have no other conflict.

2 - PM Abiy will not have the main support base from Amhara. Again, what would be his reason to fight? To uphold democracy? He can't justify armed suppression as a way to uphold democracy. So, he will have no reason to fight.

3 - TDF can't justify waging a war to unseat a government. It would have to return to Tigray and engage in political dialog. The world would not support an armed undertaking to change the government.

4 - IA can't continue the war because Abiy and Amhara regional govts will no longer require his mercenary services and the UN will be against it any way.

So, all eyes are on Wolqait, Tsegedie and Kefta Humera. A region of roughly 400.000 people comprising 92% ethnic Tigrayans and 6% ethnic Amhara and 2% other. It was known as a region of Begemder province before the ethnic federalism but fell to Tigray region by the new federal constitution.

The land dispute is causing the Amhara to lend their support to the Unitarian PMAA and causes the Tigrayans to oppose PMAA's undermining of the federal arrangement.

If the land is resolved, the problem is resolved. All other issues can only be solved legally for there to be international support.

[gearhead]

Ditto! Not a word waisted!

Rejection by Abiy of UN recommended pull back to status quo ante is a valid cause for TDF to aspire for the empire's control center, Addis Ababa!

The two guests avoided the issue that Amhara forces never pulled out of Tigray!

Good observation. Restoration of Status Quo Ante is a standard textbook conflict resolution condition which every international org, government or mediator supports. The other alternative is to allow the warring parties to keep territorial gains achieved in the conflict. Such arrangement would be a recipe for future wars, though.

The below comment in other threads really summarizes how a return to status quo ante would end the military conflict.

If the Amhara regional government withdraws from western Tigray, the war is effectively over. That would be so because all parties would automatically lose any reason to continue the war.

1 - Amhara government will have no reason to fight Tigray region if the land issue is referred to arbitration. They have no other conflict.

2 - PM Abiy will not have the main support base from Amhara. Again, what would be his reason to fight? To uphold democracy? He can't justify armed suppression as a way to uphold democracy. So, he will have no reason to fight.

3 - TDF can't justify waging a war to unseat a government. It would have to return to Tigray and engage in political dialog. The world would not support an armed undertaking to change the government.

4 - IA can't continue the war because Abiy and Amhara regional govts will no longer require his mercenary services and the UN will be against it any way.

So, all eyes are on Wolqait, Tsegedie and Kefta Humera. A region of roughly 400.000 people comprising 92% ethnic Tigrayans and 6% ethnic Amhara and 2% other. It was known as a region of Begemder province before the ethnic federalism but fell to Tigray region by the new federal constitution.

The land dispute is causing the Amhara to lend their support to the Unitarian PMAA and causes the Tigrayans to oppose PMAA's undermining of the federal arrangement.

If the land is resolved, the problem is resolved. All other issues can only be solved legally for there to be international support.

[gearhead]

One more thing! Considering the ever flippant power dynamics, I doubt Amhara Liu and Fano would allow abiy to negotiate on their behalf. Abiy has lost the state; Fano is the defacto government of Amhara region. Abiy has no.power to.direct ENDF et alone make territorial.decision on behalf of the Amhara Fano who is carrying out extra-judicial killings of ENDF leaders on a whim!

[Abe Abraham]

Rejection by Abiy of UN recommended pull back to status quo ante is a valid cause for TDF to aspire for the empire's control center, Addis Ababa!

The two guests avoided the issue that Amhara forces never pulled out of Tigray!

Good observation. Restoration of Status Quo Ante is a standard textbook conflict resolution condition which every international org, government or mediator supports. The other alternative is to allow the warring parties to keep territorial gains achieved in the conflict. Such arrangement would be a recipe for future wars, though.

The below comment in other threads really summarizes how a return to status quo ante would end the military conflict.

If the Amhara regional government withdraws from western Tigray, the war is effectively over. That would be so because all parties would automatically lose any reason to continue the war.

1 - Amhara government will have no reason to fight Tigray region if the land issue is referred to arbitration. They have no other conflict.

2 - PM Abiy will not have the main support base from Amhara. Again, what would be his reason to fight? To uphold democracy? He can't justify armed suppression as a way to uphold democracy. So, he will have no reason to fight.

3 - TDF can't justify waging a war to unseat a government. It would have to return to Tigray and engage in political dialog. The world would not support an armed undertaking to change the government.

4 - IA can't continue the war because Abiy and Amhara regional govts will no longer require his mercenary services and the UN will be against it any way.

So, all eyes are on Wolqait, Tsegedie and Kefta Humera. A region of roughly 400.000 people comprising 92% ethnic Tigrayans and 6% ethnic Amhara and 2% other. It was known as a region of Begemder province before the ethnic federalism but fell to Tigray region ( You must be kidding Mr léba ! You wouldn't say that something fell to you if you were to steal it from someone, would you ? ) by the new federal constitution.

The land dispute is causing the Amhara to lend their support to the Unitarian PMAA and causes the Tigrayans to oppose PMAA's undermining of the federal arrangement.

If the land is resolved, the problem is resolved. All other issues can only be solved legally for there to be international support.

[DefendTheTruth]

"በምርጫ የተደረገ ጦርነት ነው። ልጅህ በተኛበት ታርዷል ብለህ ሕዝብን አነሳስተህ ጦርነት ጀምረህ አሁን ደግሞ ለመውጣት እሚያቅትህ ደረጃ ጋር ስትደርስ፤ ተጠያቂነት አለ። " አቶ ክቡር ገና

"ብልህ መሪዎች የነበሩበት ነው ይሄ ሀገር። እንዲህ በቀላሉ ነገሮችን በዚህም በዚያም ሳያመዛዝን እማይፈለግበት ቦታ የሚገባ አልነበረም። " አቶ ክቡር ገና

እነዚህ ሴታሴቶች (የሴት ጀግ ና የለም ለማለት ግ ን አይደለም) ለኢትዮጵያ ፖልቲካ አይመጥኑም። እዉነትን ተናግሮ የመሸበት ማደር ይባላል። ሁለቱም ግ ን ቀላዋጮች ናቸዉ።
ጥያቄዉን ቀጥታ መመለስ ስፈሩ አያቺዉ?

[sarcasm]

"በምርጫ የተደረገ ጦርነት ነው። ልጅህ በተኛበት ታርዷል ብለህ ሕዝብን አነሳስተህ ጦርነት ጀምረህ አሁን ደግሞ ለመውጣት እሚያቅትህ ደረጃ ጋር ስትደርስ፤ ተጠያቂነት አለ። " አቶ ክቡር ገና

"ብልህ መሪዎች የነበሩበት ነው ይሄ ሀገር። እንዲህ በቀላሉ ነገሮችን በዚህም በዚያም ሳያመዛዝን እማይፈለግበት ቦታ የሚገባ አልነበረም። " አቶ ክቡር ገና

እነዚህ ሴታሴቶች (የሴት ጀግ ና የለም ለማለት ግ ን አይደለም) ለኢትዮጵያ ፖልቲካ አይመጥኑም። እዉነትን ተናግሮ የመሸበት ማደር ይባላል። ሁለቱም ግ ን ቀላዋጮች ናቸዉ።
ጥያቄዉን ቀጥታ መመለስ ስፈሩ አያቺዉ?

ግፋ በለው፤ ደምስሰው፤ አጥፋው፤ ጥረገው ብቻ የሚሉ ብቻ ናቸው ለኢትዮጵያ ፖለቲካ የሚበቁት? ችግሮችን በሰላም መፍታት ሞክሩ ማለት ጸረ-ኢትዮጵያዊነት ነው? No one can accuse them of lacking in bravery when they are courageous enough to say something that is opposite to the government and mainstream media position risking their lives.