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Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Zmeselo » 20 Aug 2021, 11:55

Uganda, doing an Eritrea act! :lol:


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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by ZEMEN » 20 Aug 2021, 14:20

Zmeselo wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 11:55
Uganda, doing an Eritrea act! :lol:

It is amazing it took Uganda and hopefully Ethiopia took them 30 years to do what Eritrea did 30 years ago. It is simple, Africa, just follow Eritrea!!!

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Somaliman » 20 Aug 2021, 16:32

Let's not exaggerate it!

Eritrea has only kicked out a total of four NGOs to date out of the staggering number of NGOs that are currently working in the country, and that was ages ago. Guess how many NGOs are currently working in Eritrea! I'll leave this for you to find out, otherwise you won't believe me, as you would be shocked.

Kicking them out is totally the wrong path to opt in order to deal with NGOs.

The right way to both benefit from whatever they're claiming to be offering to the country and to be protected by any achievement on their part that's not desirable is to set up, introduce, and implement bold transparency and accountability laws, regulations, and legislation on non-governmental organisations. Africa lacks desperately these.

The white man writes down everything. In Africa, all we know is talking.

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Temt » 20 Aug 2021, 20:48

ZEMEN wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 14:20
Zmeselo wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 11:55
Uganda, doing an Eritrea act! :lol:

It is amazing it took Uganda and hopefully Ethiopia took them 30 years to do what Eritrea did 30 years ago. It is simple, Africa, just follow Eritrea!!!
Yes brother Zemen, Eritrea has been on the front in her attempt to tame down the overblown behavior of the NGOs acting as if they know it all more than the host countries. Let me give you an example of what I mean. It is a common scenario where the NGOs would brag about how much they have donated to third-world countries. Let's say that a certain NGO obtains some funds for a country in the amount of $100,000. Let's say that it spends $70,000 on its living needs including usually an expensive rental house a vehicle like a Landcruiser etc as part of its overhead cost for the period. The host country is getting only $30,000. Yet the NGO would claim the entire fund as if it was given to the country! Is that fair? NO. for the country has not received what the NGO claims.
What should have been accounted for was that the host country received $30,000. Period! The country should not be accounted for funds it never saw. Many NGOs will not work like that and end up getting booted out.

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Somaliman » 20 Aug 2021, 21:42

Temt wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 20:48
ZEMEN wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 14:20
Zmeselo wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 11:55
Uganda, doing an Eritrea act! :lol:

It is amazing it took Uganda and hopefully Ethiopia took them 30 years to do what Eritrea did 30 years ago. It is simple, Africa, just follow Eritrea!!!
Yes brother Zemen, Eritrea has been on the front in her attempt to tame down the overblown behavior of the NGOs acting as if they know it all more than the host countries. Let me give you an example of what I mean. It is a common scenario where the NGOs would brag about how much they have donated to third-world countries. Let's say that a certain NGO obtains some funds for a country in the amount of $100,000. Let's say that it spends $70,000 on its living needs including usually an expensive rental house a vehicle like a Landcruiser etc as part of its overhead cost for the period. The host country is getting only $30,000. Yet the NGO would claim the entire fund as if it was given to the country! Is that fair? NO. for the country has not received what the NGO claims.
What should have been accounted for was that the host country received $30,000. Period! The country should not be accounted for funds it never saw. Many NGOs will not work like that and end up getting booted out.





What a load of nonsense! All you know is to call people Agame and nothing else!

No NGO danates any money/funding to any country, leave alone NGOs bragging about how much they have donated to a certain country. NGOs, which are either operational, focusing on development projects, or advocacy, promoting particular causes, or both, rely themselves on donations; thus, they do not donate/give money to any country.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by sebdoyeley » 20 Aug 2021, 21:55

Brother Agame, why are the Eritreas look down on you even you giving a honorable name to yourself?
Somaliman wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 21:42
Temt wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 20:48
ZEMEN wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 14:20
Zmeselo wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 11:55
Uganda, doing an Eritrea act! :lol:

It is amazing it took Uganda and hopefully Ethiopia took them 30 years to do what Eritrea did 30 years ago. It is simple, Africa, just follow Eritrea!!!
Yes brother Zemen, Eritrea has been on the front in her attempt to tame down the overblown behavior of the NGOs acting as if they know it all more than the host countries. Let me give you an example of what I mean. It is a common scenario where the NGOs would brag about how much they have donated to third-world countries. Let's say that a certain NGO obtains some funds for a country in the amount of $100,000. Let's say that it spends $70,000 on its living needs including usually an expensive rental house a vehicle like a Landcruiser etc as part of its overhead cost for the period. The host country is getting only $30,000. Yet the NGO would claim the entire fund as if it was given to the country! Is that fair? NO. for the country has not received what the NGO claims.
What should have been accounted for was that the host country received $30,000. Period! The country should not be accounted for funds it never saw. Many NGOs will not work like that and end up getting booted out.





What a load of nonsense! All you know is to call people Agame and nothing else!

No NGO danates any money/funding to any country, leave alone NGOs bragging about how much they have donated to a certain country. NGOs, which are either operational, focusing on development projects, or advocacy, promoting particular causes, or both, rely themselves on donations; thus, they do not donate/give money to any country.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by quindibu » 20 Aug 2021, 22:07

Temt wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 20:48
Yes brother Zemen, Eritrea has been on the front in her attempt to tame down the overblown behavior of the NGOs acting as if they know it all more than the host countries. Let me give you an example of what I mean. It is a common scenario where the NGOs would brag about how much they have donated to third-world countries. Let's say that a certain NGO obtains some funds for a country in the amount of $100,000. Let's say that it spends $70,000 on its living needs including usually an expensive rental house a vehicle like a Landcruiser etc as part of its overhead cost for the period. The host country is getting only $30,000. Yet the NGO would claim the entire fund as if it was given to the country! Is that fair? NO. for the country has not received what the NGO claims.
What should have been accounted for was that the host country received $30,000. Period! The country should not be accounted for funds it never saw. Many NGOs will not work like that and end up getting booted out.
Yes. The large amount of their budget goes into administrative costs, primarily compensating themselves handsomely. But what is worse :

- Supplanting and vitiating local administrive structures, knowledge, human capacity, traditional wisdoms, etc.....

- Establishing parallel and overlpping structures squandering resources

- Killing local markets (by dumping surplus wheat, for instance)

- Fostering depedency

- Having their own political agenda under humanitarian guise.....etc.

Having said that, there are a few organizations, with the proper oversight and vetting mechanism in place, can do a complimentary work to local governments.
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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Hawdian » 20 Aug 2021, 22:08

Somaliman wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 16:32
Let's not exaggerate it!

Eritrea has only kicked out a total of four NGOs to date out of the staggering number of NGOs that are currently working in the country, and that was ages ago. Guess how many NGOs are currently working in Eritrea! I'll leave this for you to find out, otherwise you won't believe me, as you would be shocked.

Kicking them out is totally the wrong path to opt in order to deal with NGOs.

The right way to both benefit from whatever they're claiming to be offering to the country and to be protected by any achievement on their part that's not desirable is to set up, introduce, and implement bold transparency and accountability laws, regulations, and legislation on non-governmental organisations. Africa lacks desperately these.

The white man writes down everything. In Africa, all we know is talking.
Only on the internet do we find where a Somali can claim to know Eritrea better than Eritreans themselves and vis-a-vis.

Very interesting.

The only thing I know for sure is NGOs don't run things in Eritrea like they do in Somalia coz in Somalia the NGO is the government from AMISOM to Turks handing out breads and military certificates to those who guard Farmajo

I have never seen Somalia cutting ribbon to a project without some NGO logo on it...from stadium (Norwegian NGO) to basic farm equipment (USAID).

Never defend NGOs.

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by quindibu » 20 Aug 2021, 23:06

Hawdian wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 22:08
Only on the internet do we find where a Somali can claim to know Eritrea better than Eritreans themselves and vis-a-vis.

Very interesting.

The only thing I know for sure is NGOs don't run things in Eritrea like they do in Somalia coz in Somalia the NGO is the government from AMISOM to Turks handing out breads and military certificates to those who guard Farmajo

I have never seen Somalia cutting ribbon to a project without some NGO logo on it...from stadium (Norwegian NGO) to basic farm equipment (USAID).

Never defend NGOs.
Good observation!

I've once noticed how he was laboring hard to interpret Eritreans 'lived experience' for us.......whom we should conisder our primary enemy or not, accusing us being 'haunted' by Agames instead of the Amharas. It was amusing!

I don't think many Eritreans are willing to entertain that kind of stupidity by dignifying it with a response!

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Somaliman » 21 Aug 2021, 07:47

Hawdian wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 22:08
Somaliman wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 16:32
Let's not exaggerate it!

Eritrea has only kicked out a total of four NGOs to date out of the staggering number of NGOs that are currently working in the country, and that was ages ago. Guess how many NGOs are currently working in Eritrea! I'll leave this for you to find out, otherwise you won't believe me, as you would be shocked.

Kicking them out is totally the wrong path to opt in order to deal with NGOs.

The right way to both benefit from whatever they're claiming to be offering to the country and to be protected by any achievement on their part that's not desirable is to set up, introduce, and implement bold transparency and accountability laws, regulations, and legislation on non-governmental organisations. Africa lacks desperately these.

The white man writes down everything. In Africa, all we know is talking.
Only on the internet do we find where a Somali can claim to know Eritrea better than Eritreans themselves and vis-a-vis.

Very interesting.

The only thing I know for sure is NGOs don't run things in Eritrea like they do in Somalia coz in Somalia the NGO is the government from AMISOM to Turks handing out breads and military certificates to those who guard Farmajo

I have never seen Somalia cutting ribbon to a project without some NGO logo on it...from stadium (Norwegian NGO) to basic farm equipment (USAID).

Never defend NGOs.





Rest assured, I do not stop and throw stones often at every dog that barks!

You know perfectly well that you don't know anything about Somalia, apart from what you google on Somalia, like anyone. You also know that you don't like Somalia due to your wicked tribal mindset, yet you spend your time googling and gathering whatever little Somalia has achieved to glorify yourself in front of Ethiopians, who are laughing at you seeing you also trying hard to play more Ethiopian than Ethiopians themselves at times, as they believe deep down in their hearts that Somalis in Ethiopia are not Ethiopian, after all. And trust me, you're playing this appallingly, as you keep flip flopping, praising one Ethiopian ethnic one day while offending others, and posting the exact opposite just a few hours later on another thread.

In addition, you often accuse others of trolling, but I doubt whether you realise that your own posts constitute nothing but trolling, with the only exception being when (as I've said earlier) you're posting whatever little Somalia has achieved to value yourself in front of Ethiopians.

Last but not least, there's nowhere have I claimed to know Eritrea better that Eritreans, even though it's perfectly possible for a foreign national to know certain issues about a country better than citizens of such a country. Boy, that's called knowledge, which you desperately lack.

Neither have I defended NGOs anywhere!

One last thing, though! Try to avoid using any "delicate/refined" word, such as vis-a-vis, which you often use but fail to know its meaning, perhaps to try to make you look cultivated, unless you know its meaning and the contexts in which you can safely use it. Simple is better, as it gives clarity to your message and conveys your idea effectively. Just a thought!

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Hawdian » 21 Aug 2021, 07:59

Stop ranting warya.
You don't know Eritrea better than Eritreans.

The world knows Somalia is NGO project from police to Farmajo's salary.





Ethiopia citizenship is neither tribal nor something decided by kids on mereja :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by pushkin » 21 Aug 2021, 08:33

The filthy Agameliman! Would you please shut the f"k up your nasty mouth & refrain from speaking on issues you don't know. Eritrea has expelled 45 NGOs including USAID. It is also the only country to oust peacekeeping force from its land. If anyone wants details & time of the expulsion, I am ready to give at any time :lol:
Somaliman wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 16:32
Let's not exaggerate it!

Eritrea has only kicked out a total of four NGOs to date out of the staggering number of NGOs that are currently working in the country, and that was ages ago. Guess how many NGOs are currently working in Eritrea! I'll leave this for you to find out, otherwise you won't believe me, as you would be shocked.

Kicking them out is totally the wrong path to opt in order to deal with NGOs.

The right way to both benefit from whatever they're claiming to be offering to the country and to be protected by any achievement on their part that's not desirable is to set up, introduce, and implement bold transparency and accountability laws, regulations, and legislation on non-governmental organisations. Africa lacks desperately these.

The white man writes down everything. In Africa, all we know is talking.

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Somaliman » 21 Aug 2021, 08:44

Flip flopping must be an inherent part of your existence!

You used to express warm approval and admiration of whatever little Somalia had achieved, but you're suddenly here trying to demean Somalia, albeit no one on this forum bothers about your crap, leave alone buying it.

I wonder how faster you would be flip flopping had you been paid to, even though I heavily doubt that there's anyone out there ready to pay a digital dross for flip flipping!

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Hawdian » 21 Aug 2021, 08:52

Somaliman

Don't take it personal.

I don't discriminate. I put everyone whose on the wrong side of the fence in their place.

Just coz your Somali doesn't mean you going to get a free pass.

Li.ck your wounds and dust it off like a man.

Leave Eritrea to the Eritreans and you tell us about your Somalia :mrgreen:

Sometimes I'm forced to use the ethnic tag but I am citizen of the Horn. I don't care about ethnicity.

The people of the Horn are one family for me. I treat them equal.
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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Somaliman » 21 Aug 2021, 09:01

pushkin wrote:
21 Aug 2021, 08:33
The filthy Agameliman! Would you please shut the f"k up your nasty mouth & refrain from speaking on issues you don't know. Eritrea has expelled 45 NGOs including USAID. It is also the only country to oust peacekeeping force from its land. If anyone wants details & time of the expulsion, I am ready to give at any time :lol:
Somaliman wrote:
20 Aug 2021, 16:32
Let's not exaggerate it!

Eritrea has only kicked out a total of four NGOs to date out of the staggering number of NGOs that are currently working in the country, and that was ages ago. Guess how many NGOs are currently working in Eritrea! I'll leave this for you to find out, otherwise you won't believe me, as you would be shocked.

Kicking them out is totally the wrong path to opt in order to deal with NGOs.

The right way to both benefit from whatever they're claiming to be offering to the country and to be protected by any achievement on their part that's not desirable is to set up, introduce, and implement bold transparency and accountability laws, regulations, and legislation on non-governmental organisations. Africa lacks desperately these.

The white man writes down everything. In Africa, all we know is talking.





When I post something about Eritrea that fits your devious agenda on this crappy forum, you call me , "My Somali brother". But when I post something that you don't like to read, you suddenly start calling me Agameliman and crap that doesn't make any sense!

Get lost, you poor idiot.

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Re: Yes, boot them all out!

Post by Somaliman » 21 Aug 2021, 09:26

Hawdian wrote:
21 Aug 2021, 08:52
Somaliman

Don't take it personal.

I don't discriminate. I put everyone whose on the wrong side of the fence in their place.

Just coz your Somali doesn't mean you going to get a free pass.

Li.ck your wounds and dust it off like a man.

Leave Eritrea to the Eritreans and you tell us about your Somalia :mrgreen:

Sometimes I'm forced to use the ethnic tag but I am citizen of the Horn. I don't care about ethnicity.

The people of the Horn are one family for me. I treat them equal.






I put everyone whose on the wrong side of the fence in their place.
I wouldn't mind that, but the trouble is that you don't have the intellectual calibre that this takes to.

you tell us about your Somalia
No, I don't tell you anything about Somalia, because due to your psychological disorders you're doing it in my place, albeit not liking Somalia!

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