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The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by Horus » 21 Aug 2021, 01:25

America couldn't protect its people from massive tragic death from Covid-9

About a million American are homeless

Yet, America wastes billions & trillions to disrupt and destroy other nations

Machines don't win war!

Battles don't win war


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Re: The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by Naga Tuma » 21 Aug 2021, 14:30

Horus:

I don’t mean to be a critic here and there. Surely, America’s credibility has sunk in the eyes of many who counted on it about the progress of democracy.

However, can it be really defined as an Empire rather than an evolving young republic that has been taken over or allowed itself to be run by a tutelage of the old British Empire that has yet to come to terms with its first Republican President, Barack Obama, who stood for the rights of all of its citizens?

Empires and their emperors have some level of respect in terms of their moral authorities, not withstanding their overreaches.

Can we say the latest two American Presidents can be characterized as Emperors. I can hardly say an Irish man lost in America is an Emperor of Ireland or America. Can you?
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Re: The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by Horus » 21 Aug 2021, 17:06

Naga Tuma wrote:
21 Aug 2021, 14:30
Horus:

I don’t mean to be a critic here and there. Surely, America’s credibility has sunk in the eyes of many who counted on it about the progress of democracy.

However, can it be really defined as an Empire or an evolving young republic that has been taken over or allowed itself to be run by a tutelage of the old British Empire that has yet to come to terms with its last Republican President, Barack Obama, who stood for the rights of all of its citizens?

Empires and their emperors have some level of respect in terms of their moral authorities, not withstanding their overreaches.

Can we say the latest two American Presidents can be characterized as Emperors. I can hardly say an Irish man lost in America is an Emperor of Ireland or America. Can you?
Naga Tuma,
You know I hate to mince words. What is the difference between the term Empire & Imperial? Is not America an imperial power? This is what I call mincing words. If America that has destroyed 5 middle east nations in the last 30 years is not imperial, then what is? Kair!

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Re: The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by gearhead » 21 Aug 2021, 17:41

america bends-over-backward to [deleted] existing nation states to the point that politicians become unbearable to the population inside. Cases in point are Libia and Seria which unravelled because if the greediness of men at the helm. America steps in to ameliorate a worsening condition and gets blamed for it after the fact.

Ethiopia's current condition of no return falls on the shoulders of you and your friends who stole the transitional roadmap of the people, led the house gallas and incorrigible amhara psychos to a disintegrating condition that we find ourselves in. America came in after the impending disaster for which you blame for not allowing you the genocidal trajectory.

Men should find you and mutilate you and your friends out of existence, yet your utter arrogance has no shame but to keep coming and throw your drivel again and again.

My bet is that your end will come at the hand of merciless fano that when they wont find you will mutilate your relatives from ground up. Sad thing is that they hide in plain sight.

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Re: The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by Naga Tuma » 21 Aug 2021, 21:06

Horus wrote:
21 Aug 2021, 17:06
Naga Tuma wrote:
21 Aug 2021, 14:30
Horus:

I don’t mean to be a critic here and there. Surely, America’s credibility has sunk in the eyes of many who counted on it about the progress of democracy.

However, can it be really defined as an Empire rather than an evolving young republic that has been taken over or allowed itself to be run by a tutelage of the old British Empire that has yet to come to terms with its first Republican President, Barack Obama, who stood for the rights of all of its citizens?

Empires and their emperors have some level of respect in terms of their moral authorities, not withstanding their overreaches.

Can we say the latest two American Presidents can be characterized as Emperors. I can hardly say an Irish man lost in America is an Emperor of Ireland or America. Can you?
Naga Tuma,
You know I hate to mince words. What is the difference between the term Empire & Imperial? Is not America an imperial power? This is what I call mincing words. If America that has destroyed 5 middle east nations in the last 30 years is not imperial, then what is? Kair!
Horus,

I am not suggesting here that you mince your words. I am suggesting that I can’t even elevate Donald Trump or Joe Biden after the latest debacle to the level of an Emperor. In my view, old emperors have a better moral authority than either of them. If you think you can elevate these characters to that level, I disagree. You can start from that pivotal point.

BTW, do you think that that level of destruction comes more from an Empire or a state that is yet to evolve? Weren’t empires more self-respecting than that or do you think that the word out of your student movement days that you don’t want to mince is a better descriptor of it than the term evolving State?

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Re: The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by Horus » 21 Aug 2021, 21:54

Naga Tuma,
No, I was not implying that at all. I was simply stating that one need not spend too many words to show the existing world order is an imperial one. The old school colonialism and imperialism imposed its will on other nations directly militarily and often by direct settler colonization such as North America, South Africa and Australian. Informal imperialism (neocolonialism, neoimperialism) impose its will on other nations by political and economic force. This is what the present day informal American empire does - impose its will and its order on weaker nations by means of political isolation, sanctions, economic and diplomatic warfare and other forms imperial power. simply look around all of the old school colonial countries still hold their previous colonies, present client states as their sphere of influence.Simply observe how US behaves vs. Ethiopia, that America deeply believes Ethiopia to be its sphere of influence and trying 24/7 to impose its will on us telling us how we must live our life and conduct our national affairs. This is called imperial habit, imperial behavior. If the world is a community of sovereign nations, then by what logic does America instruct us what to do? Then why does the West give so much hard time to Abiy Ahmed for refusing to be a client state? That is called imperialism if we have courage to call a spade, spade!

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Re: The Fall of American Empire & The West Asia Chaos! Lesson for Africa

Post by Naga Tuma » 22 Aug 2021, 14:29

Horus,

My comment was and remains to suggest that it is worse than what your comments suggested and you continue to suggest if we simply focus on the behaviors over the last several years. If that is evident, I think your reaction with not mincing words was misplaced. If it is suggested to be worse, no further explanation about what you suggested is necessary. I will explain later what I mean it is worse.

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