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[Sadacha Macca]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

Whether we like it or not, the truth is, it is very difficult, if not impossible to sustain such an expensive war, fighting a guerrilla movement that enjoys popular support. TPLF's elites/leaders, for the most part, got dismantled, all that remains is Ato Getachew Reda from what I can see. Badme is back with its rightful owners, I won't comment on Welkait since I haven't done my research on it enough, but I do know for sure, Badme is Eritrean and even Haile Selassie's map experts said this.

TPLF-They do not necessarily pose a threat to Amhara's or to the rest of Ethiopia. As long as they remain in Tigray, and do not venture outside of their borders, all shall be well. I am also sure that, Obbo Isayas and his strong army, are watching, while carefully entrenched in the north, in case the Tigrayan forces feel froggy and jump there. If they go west to fight Amhara's, then of course, Ethiopia as a whole will respond, regardless of our personal opinions here on the war, unless Abiy has ulterior motives in provoking the Amhara and Tigrayans to go to war- which I very much doubt, since the Amhara are his main support base and without them, Abiy would be like a fish out of the sea.
So Abiy did the right thing, even if some of his supporters and detractors despise it. He has history to learn from-Mengistu failed, his own TPLF former bosses failed due to the initial struggle led by angry unarmed Qeerroo and then Fano and others joined, etc, so he learned from history, hopefully and won't repeat the same blunders his predecessors made!
It's basically impossible to beat the determined, angry, fearless masses. There is no benefit in being blinded by ego and stubbornness, let the tigrayans have whoever they want to rule over them, but now, let them also generate their own revenue, and provide other essential services.

[sesame]

This is a much better strategy because the problem was not the TPLF thugs. One could kill them all. The problem is the people who think the TPLF is their God. So by pulling out and caging Tigray, the people will have to make their choice. It is by proving to them that TPLF is a useless organization that cannot deliver anything that you convince them. I don't think it will take that much time for Agames to realize where they true interests lie. If you have a disobedient and spoiled child, then sometimes throwing him out of your house and letting him find out from experience is the best solution.

[DefendTheTruth]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

I was for one very careful about commenting on them, thinking they are also ours. But there is a limit for everything. It is okay to support TPLF, but to be on the side of the TPLF and backstab my very brothers and sisters, who were there to protect them, on multiple occasions, after disguising themselves as neutral or even pro-government, is simply unforgivable.

They could have stayed neutral and also showed it in practice, but they chose to attack the children of the poor farmers of Ethiopia by siding with the TPLF.

Somebody can't be more wicked.

[Sadacha Macca]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

I was for one very careful about commenting on them, thinking they are also ours. But there is a limit for everything. It is okay to support TPLF, but to be on the side of the TPLF and backstab my very brothers and sisters, who were there to protect them, on multiple occasions, after disguising themselves as neutral or even pro-government, is simply unforgivable.

They could have stayed neutral and also showed it in practice, but they chose to attack the children of the poor farmers of Ethiopia by siding with the TPLF.

Somebody can't be more wicked.

In a way, it's them choosing the TPLF over the rest of Ethiopia, at least, that's how it appears, adelem ende?
If so- then, what are they going to do when they realize that independence is more of a detrimental thing, as opposed to a beneficial thing, when they realize they will STILL need to have good relations with their immediate neighbors if they wish to trade, develop, and have a viable economy?
How can they do that if they have hostile relations with their neighbors?

[DefendTheTruth]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

I was for one very careful about commenting on them, thinking they are also ours. But there is a limit for everything. It is okay to support TPLF, but to be on the side of the TPLF and backstab my very brothers and sisters, who were there to protect them, on multiple occasions, after disguising themselves as neutral or even pro-government, is simply unforgivable.

They could have stayed neutral and also showed it in practice, but they chose to attack the children of the poor farmers of Ethiopia by siding with the TPLF.

Somebody can't be more wicked.

In a way, it's them choosing the TPLF over the rest of Ethiopia, at least, that's how it appears, adelem ende?
If so- then, what are they going to do when they realize that independence is more of a detrimental thing, as opposed to a beneficial thing, when they realize they will STILL need to have good relations with their immediate neighbors if they wish to trade, develop, and have a viable economy?
How can they do that if they have hostile relations with their neighbors?

The question is where does that hostility come from in the first place? Politics is temporal, it can be twisted for one or the other interest. But people to people relations remains, should be based on some level of our own societal values.

You can hate me and also tell me about "I don't want anything from you", then it is also okay. But if you are wicked, then you take my favor (100 Bill. ET Birr in 7 months) and still ploy to attack me from behind.

That could be what caused that hostility.

[sun]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

I was for one very careful about commenting on them, thinking they are also ours. But there is a limit for everything. It is okay to support TPLF, but to be on the side of the TPLF and backstab my very brothers and sisters, who were there to protect them, on multiple occasions, after disguising themselves as neutral or even pro-government, is simply unforgivable.

They could have stayed neutral and also showed it in practice, but they chose to attack the children of the poor farmers of Ethiopia by siding with the TPLF.

Somebody can't be more wicked.

Hmm...

Can that be due to the fact that their arch enemy for which they have been making grand military, political, propaganda, etc. preparations ultimately fell flat on its face on hard stone, as a result of which the Amharas were able to walk freely across all the tplf trench traps and took back large areas of their "father land" and in that way reduced Tigray region area closer to a tiny dot, much small than before?.

It is very hard to accept a miserable tiny dot when you were dreaming, planning and hoping for a treasurer full grand and mighty boat. If reality and dreams are not somehow congruent but worlds apart, frustration may lead to wanton aggression and back stabbings.

[Blueshift]

Sadacha,

Tigray is still part of Ethiopia. How do you expect them to generate their own revenue ? If that is the case, you just declared Tigray independent without Parliament's approval. Sadacha, Abbiy declared cease fire. They didn't. Meaning, they can come straight to Addis to dislodge him from power. They have a lot of fighting to do. They are telling you so. How powerful they are, I don't know. But, they were strong enough to dislodge Abbiy from Meqele. Isayas knows they are coming to him. He is waiting for them. Without a friendly Eritrean government, they can not declare independence. Welqait and Tsegede, that has to do with masculinity. Neither side will give up. Hence, expect fighting over there too. Badme will serve as an excuse for them to continue fighting as well. Fighting has not stopped yet. They will lose and win over and over again. Abbiy is on his way out. He can't survive this. The West will make a call for the ICC thing for they have an open Tigray to investigate.

[Abere]

I think, although I happened to be disagreeing with Sadacha many times, now he collected his mind & put the fact.

This is crystal clear. The war in Tigray does not seem over, but it is over. TPLF has lost 100% everything. Ethiopia, although unofficial, has won. Well, will there be some lives to be lost? Yes. But in terms of victory, it is over. TPLF would have won if it had Humera, Weqait, Raya etc and all Tigre cities economical and infrastructure wise intact like in their pre-fight status even that would be hard to call. Now, Humera, Welqait and Raya are gone and are under Amhara forever. This is just certain. One must be stupid to doubt it. Tigres got defeated in this fight when they made serious mistake by supporting TPLF and hurt EDF. They should have either supported Ethiopian army or at least stayed neutral. Since, mostly they are farmers they are in TPLF's box. It is unlikely for Tigres to breakaway from their home country Ethiopia, this again will be another madness even to openly say about it at all or it will be a regrettable mistake on them. First, they can't afford it; second, there is nothing special being a separate country by leaving the large green meadow grazing land of Ethiopia. One does not have to be an Nobel prize winner in Economics , Size is a factor of economic strength and an everlasting fountain of opportunities. Tigres have to stop being captative of their own irrational greed as inculcated in them by TPLF. Thus, I would rather advice Tigres even not to mention about separation and they should rather denounce separation. If they have courage, they should start come out ask apologies on how their fellow Tigreans mistreated our brothers and sisters that served in EDF and put their lives at risk for them. In my opinion, Tigres will win if they just accept the new normal/reality. One does not have to win always, it is also winning when one adjusts to the loss. Life goes on. Listening druggist and alcoholic Getachew Reda and his likes is insanity. I heard Abiy's speech about the mistreatment of our army by ordinary Tigres, I honestly believed that and proved to me Tigres actually are Woyanes. We were wrong to caution folks no to use a broad painting brush. I would not be surprised for TPLF lasted 50 years teaching immorality and falsehood in Tigray. Let Tigres prove they have regrets about the mistreatment of our brothers and sisters and denounce TPLF's crazy illusions. One more thing, Tigres, please forget the so-called Western powers. They will dig your grave deeper.

[Abe Abraham]

I think, although I happened to be disagreeing with Sadacha many times, now he collected his mind & put the fact.

This is crystal clear. The war in Tigray does not seem over, but it is over. TPLF has lost 100% everything. Ethiopia, although unofficial, has won. Well, will there be some lives to be lost? Yes. But in terms of victory, it is over.

TPLF would have won if it had Humera, Weqait, Raya etc and all Tigre cities economical and infrastructure wise intact like in their pre-fight status even that would be hard to call. Now, Humera, Welqait and Raya are gone and are under Amhara forever. This is just certain. One must be stupid to doubt it.

Tigres got defeated in this fight when they made serious mistake by supporting TPLF and hurt EDF. They should have either supported Ethiopian army or at least stayed neutral. Since, mostly they are farmers they are in TPLF's box.

It is unlikely for Tigres to breakaway from their home country Ethiopia, this again will be another madness even to openly say about it at all or it will be a regrettable mistake on them. First, they can't afford it; second, there is nothing special being a separate country by leaving the large green meadow grazing land of Ethiopia.

One does not have to be an Nobel prize winner in Economics , Size is a factor of economic strength and an everlasting fountain of opportunities.

Tigres have to stop being captative of their own irrational greed as inculcated in them by TPLF. Thus, I would rather advice Tigres even not to mention about separation and they should rather denounce separation.

If they have courage, they should start come out ask apologies on how their fellow Tigreans mistreated our brothers and sisters that served in EDF and put their lives at risk for them. In my opinion, Tigres will win if they just accept the new normal/reality. One does not have to win always, it is also winning when one adjusts to the loss. Life goes on.

Listening druggist and alcoholic Getachew Reda and his likes is insanity. I heard Abiy's speech about the mistreatment of our army by ordinary Tigres, I honestly believed that and proved to me Tigres actually are Woyanes. We were wrong to caution folks no to use a broad painting brush.

I would not be surprised for TPLF lasted 50 years teaching immorality and falsehood in Tigray. Let Tigres prove they have regrets about the mistreatment of our brothers and sisters and denounce TPLF's crazy illusions. One more thing, Tigres, please forget the so-called Western powers. They will dig your grave deeper.

The war in Tigray is almost over. Why ? You have still to kill the CIA man Getachew Reda and the rest of the leaders of TPLF. They are holding the Tigrayans captive. The Tigrayans can not decide for themselves at this very moment.

[Abere]

Abe Abraham,

Thanks for asking me to clarify the highlighted points.
# When I said the war is over, Ethiopia already has an upper hand. There is enough cue to this. Yes, Getachew Reda should ne apprehended or neutralized. He is making noise simply to keep himself alive. The closure of the fight is on Ethiopia hand.

# Tigres are not captives of TPLF, they are actually Woyane - that is everything pointing. But I cautioned my fellow Ethiopians not to behave like them in return. Especially Ethiopians should never change their face and treatment to those Tigres living in every towns, kebeles and cities of Ethiopia, because of those our brothers and sisters in the army were mistreated in Tigray province. Let's not use sugar coated words to please Tigres are not TPLF. They were and they are, this as 50 years evil work of TPLF.
# Tigres are not ignorantly of their Woyaneness behavior, they know. This is the age of technology, social media and majority have access to all good and bad awareness creation sources. Tigrians can decide for themselves but they have to divorce themselves from being Woyanenet

# Regarding the fate of Humera, Welqait and Raya. Let alone now, even if it means starting from Zero, Amhara and other Ethiopians will not let them to fall in the hands of TPLF. TPLF is a thief that wants to steal from Ethiopian territory. First, there is no historical background; secessionist agenda is does not deserve a bonus and reward ; thrid, these lands are under firm ownership of Amhara. Thus, Tigres should stop living out of reality. They had better capitalize that Ethiopia is their and all her blessing is theirs as it is for every other Ethiopians

# Yes, Tigres should apologize their fellow Ethiopians. If they have the courage, it should start from those outside of Tigray province. I am not saying spoiled diaspora TPLF kinds in the West. These TPLF diasporas came to the West with fake identity as if they were political asylees are TPLF. You can see diaspora Tigre is more than all other Ethiopians because they were sent for abroad for rainy days. This itself exposes what TPLF was.

# Above all, Tigres should quit listening to Western powers. Did the peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea require any foreign power? No. If there were any Western power it would 1000 years - I guarantee you. We could not sit to talk and eat around one table. These idiot TPLF are try to make Arab-Israeli issue which outlived generations, may be until the end of the world. Tigres should round up TPLF gangs and just confess and be peaceful. That is it. There is time for everything.

I think, although I happened to be disagreeing with Sadacha many times, now he collected his mind & put the fact.

This is crystal clear. The war in Tigray does not seem over, but it is over. TPLF has lost 100% everything. Ethiopia, although unofficial, has won. Well, will there be some lives to be lost? Yes. But in terms of victory, it is over.

TPLF would have won if it had Humera, Weqait, Raya etc and all Tigre cities economical and infrastructure wise intact like in their pre-fight status even that would be hard to call. Now, Humera, Welqait and Raya are gone and are under Amhara forever. This is just certain. One must be stupid to doubt it.

Tigres got defeated in this fight when they made serious mistake by supporting TPLF and hurt EDF. They should have either supported Ethiopian army or at least stayed neutral. Since, mostly they are farmers they are in TPLF's box.

It is unlikely for Tigres to breakaway from their home country Ethiopia, this again will be another madness even to openly say about it at all or it will be a regrettable mistake on them. First, they can't afford it; second, there is nothing special being a separate country by leaving the large green meadow grazing land of Ethiopia.

One does not have to be an Nobel prize winner in Economics , Size is a factor of economic strength and an everlasting fountain of opportunities.

Tigres have to stop being captative of their own irrational greed as inculcated in them by TPLF. Thus, I would rather advice Tigres even not to mention about separation and they should rather denounce separation.

If they have courage, they should start come out ask apologies on how their fellow Tigreans mistreated our brothers and sisters that served in EDF and put their lives at risk for them. In my opinion, Tigres will win if they just accept the new normal/reality. One does not have to win always, it is also winning when one adjusts to the loss. Life goes on.

Listening druggist and alcoholic Getachew Reda and his likes is insanity. I heard Abiy's speech about the mistreatment of our army by ordinary Tigres, I honestly believed that and proved to me Tigres actually are Woyanes. We were wrong to caution folks no to use a broad painting brush.

I would not be surprised for TPLF lasted 50 years teaching immorality and falsehood in Tigray. Let Tigres prove they have regrets about the mistreatment of our brothers and sisters and denounce TPLF's crazy illusions. One more thing, Tigres, please forget the so-called Western powers. They will dig your grave deeper.

The war in Tigray is almost over. Why ? You have still to kill the CIA man Getachew Reda and the rest of the leaders of TPLF. They are holding the Tigrayans captive. The Tigrayans can not decide for themselves at this very moment.

[Abe Abraham]

Tigres are not captives of TPLF, they are actually Woyane - that is everything pointing.

It is true that the tribal Tigres are Woyane but they are also captives at the same time. By captives I didn't mean in the mental sense but physically. As long as they are physically under the control of few individual leaders of the TPLF they can not do the things that you expect them to do like :

1_Tigres should apologize to their fellow Ethiopians.
2_Tigres should quit listening to Western powers.

For ordinary Tigrayans to think freely the leaders of TPLF that control them should be eliminated. Although most of them are already gone the rest should follow to complete the whole job.

Regarding the fate of Humera, Welqait and Raya. Let alone now, even if it means starting from Zero, Amhara and other Ethiopians will not let them to fall in the hands of TPLF. TPLF is a thief that wants to steal from Ethiopian territory. First, there is no historical background; secessionist agenda is does not deserve a bonus and reward ; thrid, these lands are under firm ownership of Amhara. Thus, Tigres should stop living out of reality. They had better capitalize that Ethiopia is their and all her blessing is theirs as it is for every other Ethiopians.

That is true but we are not talking about land ownership but adminstrative division. Are Humera,Welqait and Raya part of Tigray kilil or Amhara ? Your stand is clear but what is the position of the government in Addis on the issue ? That is very important for the security concerns in the border area with Sudan. The Egyptians consider Ethiopia as a fragile country and they are waiting for their opportunity to destabilize the country. These are not the times for hesitation
or equivocation.

[Digital Weyane]

Sadacha Macca ብሎ ራሱን የሚጠራው ጁንታው ትግራዋይ ዎንድሜ <<የኦሮሞን ህዝብ ወክየ የሞናገር ሞብት አለኝ>> ብሎ ሹንጡን ገትሮ ቢከራከርም ተቀባይነት አያገኝም። ሙክንያቱም ጁንታው በፍፁም የኦሮሞ ህዝብ ወኪል ሊሆን አይችልም።

[Zack]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

Whether we like it or not, the truth is, it is very difficult, if not impossible to sustain such an expensive war, fighting a guerrilla movement that enjoys popular support. TPLF's elites/leaders, for the most part, got dismantled, all that remains is Ato Getachew Reda from what I can see. Badme is back with its rightful owners, I won't comment on Welkait since I haven't done my research on it enough, but I do know for sure, Badme is Eritrean and even Haile Selassie's map experts said this.

TPLF-They do not necessarily pose a threat to Amhara's or to the rest of Ethiopia. As long as they remain in Tigray, and do not venture outside of their borders, all shall be well. I am also sure that, Obbo Isayas and his strong army, are watching, while carefully entrenched in the north, in case the Tigrayan forces feel froggy and jump there. If they go west to fight Amhara's, then of course, Ethiopia as a whole will respond, regardless of our personal opinions here on the war, unless Abiy has ulterior motives in provoking the Amhara and Tigrayans to go to war- which I very much doubt, since the Amhara are his main support base and without them, Abiy would be like a fish out of the sea.
So Abiy did the right thing, even if some of his supporters and detractors despise it. He has history to learn from-Mengistu failed, his own TPLF former bosses failed due to the initial struggle led by angry unarmed Qeerroo and then Fano and others joined, etc, so he learned from history, hopefully and won't repeat the same blunders his predecessors made!
It's basically impossible to beat the determined, angry, fearless masses. There is no benefit in being blinded by ego and stubbornness, let the tigrayans have whoever they want to rule over them, but now, let them also generate their own revenue, and provide other essential services.

You gave an amhara opinion instead of an oromo opinion. Why do you care so much if amhara is secure or not. Your interest is not to support amhara. But support your self. When will you learn young lad.

Dr Zackovich

[Somaliman]

Ethnic federalism has achieved nothing in Ethiopia but encouraged political unrest and violence. Therefore, this culprit requires to be ditched.

Only a very small number of countries around the world have adopted ethnic federalism - and this is for a reason.

[Abere]

Abe Abraham,

Here are my answers to your inquiry

1) Are Humera,Welqait and Raya part of Tigray kilil or Amhara ? Humera, Welaqit and Raya are integral and natural part of Amhara. They will remain Amhara forever.

2) Your stand is clear but what is the position of the government in Addis on the issue ? The government is opportunistic for an obvious reason, it is filled with OLF ethnic zealots. Don't expect conclusive statement on this. They cannot be trusted. But Amhara should care less about Addis Ababa's position rather should focus on protecting its sovereign territory. Only Amhara people owns its own fate. If the Addis Ababa government comes to its sense , respect and celebrate the victory Amhara scored over TPLF by regaining their occupied territories that will be great - Amhara welcomes it. If not, should not be bothered rather everyone should bother whether Amhara will even remain part of Ethiopia that has been mistreating and targeting Amhara people. The source of the 30 years long conflict in Ethiopia is because of these territories. TPLF has been insecure about these stolen territories - now their fate was decided in the battlefield and they are back to their rightful owners. As you said these territories back to Amhara means, Ethiopia is going to be secured, foreign mercenaries from Egypt, Sudan etc. can not set their feet in Ethiopia, the rest of the country will have peaceful time a head. The Tigres, sources of violence, will get a break too. Egypt's adopted child, TPLF, will not be only malnourished but die out and Egypt will not have the chance to father any mercenary thug from within Ethiopia. That is why, the fate of Tigres was decided already in the battle field last November 2020. They can run up and down the hill, you can zoom-in and Zoom-out it, Tigres irrational act and behavior delivered them justice. When one is punished for his own wrong doing that too is justice. Tigre = Woyane, the Woyane province has taken its true defined shape now.

Tigres are not captives of TPLF, they are actually Woyane - that is everything pointing.

It is true that the tribal Tigres are Woyane but they are also captives at the same time. By captives I didn't mean in the mental sense but physically. As long as they are physically under the control of few individual leaders of the TPLF they can not do the things that you expect them to do like :

1_Tigres should apologize to their fellow Ethiopians.
2_Tigres should quit listening to Western powers.

For ordinary Tigrayans to think freely the leaders of TPLF that control them should be eliminated. Although most of them are already gone the rest should follow to complete the whole job.

Regarding the fate of Humera, Welqait and Raya. Let alone now, even if it means starting from Zero, Amhara and other Ethiopians will not let them to fall in the hands of TPLF. TPLF is a thief that wants to steal from Ethiopian territory. First, there is no historical background; secessionist agenda is does not deserve a bonus and reward ; thrid, these lands are under firm ownership of Amhara. Thus, Tigres should stop living out of reality. They had better capitalize that Ethiopia is their and all her blessing is theirs as it is for every other Ethiopians.

That is true but we are not talking about land ownership but adminstrative division. Are Humera,Welqait and Raya part of Tigray kilil or Amhara ? Your stand is clear but what is the position of the government in Addis on the issue ? That is very important for the security concerns in the border area with Sudan. The Egyptians consider Ethiopia as a fragile country and they are waiting for their opportunity to destabilize the country. These are not the times for hesitation
or equivocation.

[Sadacha Macca]

The Objective Oromo Opinion:

Whether we like it or not, the truth is, it is very difficult, if not impossible to sustain such an expensive war, fighting a guerrilla movement that enjoys popular support. TPLF's elites/leaders, for the most part, got dismantled, all that remains is Ato Getachew Reda from what I can see. Badme is back with its rightful owners, I won't comment on Welkait since I haven't done my research on it enough, but I do know for sure, Badme is Eritrean and even Haile Selassie's map experts said this.

TPLF-They do not necessarily pose a threat to Amhara's or to the rest of Ethiopia. As long as they remain in Tigray, and do not venture outside of their borders, all shall be well. I am also sure that, Obbo Isayas and his strong army, are watching, while carefully entrenched in the north, in case the Tigrayan forces feel froggy and jump there. If they go west to fight Amhara's, then of course, Ethiopia as a whole will respond, regardless of our personal opinions here on the war, unless Abiy has ulterior motives in provoking the Amhara and Tigrayans to go to war- which I very much doubt, since the Amhara are his main support base and without them, Abiy would be like a fish out of the sea.
So Abiy did the right thing, even if some of his supporters and detractors despise it. He has history to learn from-Mengistu failed, his own TPLF former bosses failed due to the initial struggle led by angry unarmed Qeerroo and then Fano and others joined, etc, so he learned from history, hopefully and won't repeat the same blunders his predecessors made!
It's basically impossible to beat the determined, angry, fearless masses. There is no benefit in being blinded by ego and stubbornness, let the tigrayans have whoever they want to rule over them, but now, let them also generate their own revenue, and provide other essential services.

You gave an amhara opinion instead of an oromo opinion. Why do you care so much if amhara is secure or not. Your interest is not to support amhara. But support your self. When will you learn young lad.

Dr Zackovich

tigrayan boy,

1=I said, the objective opinion, as in, trying to be fair and impartial.
2=Saying I shouldn't care when a part of Ethiopia is invaded, is like saying a somali from djibouti shouldn't care if the afar part of djibouti is invaded.
I condemned any war crimes in tigray, but also said that the tplf shared in the responsibility, as in, they set the stage for such a war in their land to take place, by, among other things, making enemies all over the horn for tigrayans-by committing crimes against eritreans, against amhara's, against somalis, against oromos, etc.
3=I am both, Oromo and Ethiopia, our fate is directly linked to the fate and well being of the nation as a whole, you want to see us divided, I know it, it's obvious. You want the tigrayan elitist supremacy, to return, which ain't gonna happen dude.