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Pope Francis Backs Civil Unions for Gày Couples, in Shift for Vatican

Pontiff’s remarks, in documentary film, are likely to exacerbate existing divisions in the church


Pope Francis has been notable for his conciliatory approach to gày people.
PHOTO: ALESSIA GIULIANI/IPA/ZUMA PRESS

By Francis X. Rocca

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pope-franc ... 1603296578

Oct. 21, 2020

ROME—Pope Francis endorsed civil unions for same-sex couples, in a move that is likely to intensify the already heated controversy https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cathol ... 1527009408 over the Catholic Church’s teaching on hòmôsexuality.

The pope’s words, though not part of his official teaching, will likely put pressure on Catholic bishops in the developing world to tolerate legal recognition of same-sex unions and oppose anti-hòmòsexuality laws.

In Europe, North America and other Western countries, too, it is expected to have an impact on the cultural wars over sexuality within the church and beyond.

Hòmòsexuals have a right to be a part of the family. They’re children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out, or be made miserable because of it,

Pope Francis said in a new documentary film, “Francesco,” which premiered at the Rome Film Festival on Wednesday, according to the Catholic News Agency and other outlets.

What we have to create is a civil-union law. That way they are legally covered,

the pope said, according to CNA.

I stood up for that.

At least some of the remarks were apparently drawn from a 2019 television interview with Mexico’s Grupo Televisa. https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/TV

Since his remarks weren’t delivered in a sermon or a Vatican document, they don’t constitute official papal teaching.

Pope Francis has been notable for his conciliatory approach https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cathol ... 1527009408 to [deleted] people. The most famous words of his pontificate are his 2013 statement about gày priests:

Who am I to judge?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/popes-afri ... 1448229689

He also has received a [deleted] man at the Vatican and met with a same-sex couple in Washington, D.C.

At the same time, the pope has rejected the possibility of same-sex marriage. In a 2016 document, he wrote that

there are absolutely no grounds for considering hòmòsexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God’s plan for marriage and family.

Earlier, when the pope was archbishop of Buenos Aires as Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, he described same-sex marriage as an

anthropological regression.

But in a 2014 interview, about a year after his election as pope, he suggested that the Catholic Church could tolerate some form of civil unions for same-sex couples.

Matrimony is between a man and a woman,

the pope said, but moves to

regulate diverse situations of cohabitation [are] driven by the need to regulate economic aspects among persons, as for instance to assure medical care.

Asked how the church should respond, he replied:

It is necessary to look at the diverse cases and evaluate them in their variety.

During his time as archbishop, the future pope supported civil unions as an alternative to same-sex marriage, according to his biographer Austen Ivereigh. Argentina legalized same-sex marriage in 2010. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424 ... 0072718114

But the pope’s statement in the movie, juxtaposed with an affirmation of the rights of gày people, sounds less like a compromise with pluralist, secular society than a defense of civil unions as a positive good.

The Vatican’s position on civil unions has until now been set forth in a 2003 document by the doctrinal office, then led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI. According to that document,

respect for hòmòsexual persons cannot lead in any way to approval of hòmòsexual behavior or to legal recognition of hòmòsexual unions.

The Holy See Press Office didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Pope Francis’s support for same-sex civil unions is a major step forward in the church’s support of LGBTQ people…and sends a strong signal to countries where the church has opposed such laws,

tweeted the Rev. James Martin, author of “Building a Bridge,” a book about the church’s relationship with gày Catholics, who was received in a private audience by the pope last year.

African Catholic bishops have emerged as a prominent conservative bloc on family issues within the church, strongly opposing the liberalization of doctrine on hòmòsexuality. They also have protested what they say is pressure from rich countries and international organizations to repeal harsh anti-[deleted] laws in some African countries.

Pope Francis’ statement could lend support to [deleted] activists in Poland, where the country’s Catholic bishops recently called for clinics to help LGBTQ people

regain their sexual health and natural sexual orientation.

The Catholic Church teaches that “hòmòsexual tendencies” aren’t sinful in themselves but are “objectively disordered” as an inclination to perform hòmòsexual acts, which are sinful.

It’s not a change in teaching but a change in approach,

said Father Martin in an interview.

It will be a lot harder for bishops to say that the Catholic Church believes that same-sex civil unions are a threat when you have the pope saying he supports them.

The pope’s statement could also give encouragement to liberal bishops in northern Europe who support the practice of blessing same-sex couples. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cathol ... 1527009408

Conservatives expressed dismay on Wednesday.

The Holy Father’s apparent support for the recognition of civil unions for same-sex couples needs to be clarified. The pope’s statement clearly contradicts what has been the longstanding teaching of the Church,

said Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, R.I., a vocal conservative, in a statement.

The Rev. Gerald Murray, pastor of Holy Family Church in New York and a frequent commentator on EWTN Catholic television, said he expected other bishops and cardinals would weigh in for or against the pope’s statement, exacerbating divisions in the church.

Pope Francis has overstepped his bounds,

Father Murray said, noting that the pope’s statement that gày people “have a right to a family” could be read as an endorsement of adoption by [deleted] couples, which the church has opposed.

He is confusing yet again, not only people outside the church but people inside the church, about what church doctrine is,

said Robert Royal, president of the Faith and Reason Institute in Washington and editor of the Catholic Thing website.

Now anyone can tell a bishop who is trying to put forward Catholic teaching that your own pope disagrees with you.

Write to Francis X. Rocca at [email protected]


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Listen Francesco, this is what the Bible teaches:

1 Kings 15:12
He expelled the male shrine prostitutes from the land and got rid of all the idols his ancestors had made.

Leviticus 18:22
Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Romans 1:32
Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Leviticus 18:22-24
22 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. 23 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. 24 “ ‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing [deleted], for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Hebrews 13:1-5
1 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. 3 Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering. 4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. 5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

John 8:7-11
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Romans 1:26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Jude 1:5-8
5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. 8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.

Mark 10:6-9
6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

1 Corinthians 7:2
2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 Corinthians 6:17-20
17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

Romans 1:18-32
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[experts]

thanks Zmeselo for the reading from the Holy Bible. The Pope is wrong plain and simple. It is a very dangerous , damaging and sinful comment by the Pope. Pope can't change the Catholic teaching. It is his personal view which is against our lord Jesus's teaching. Right from the beginning this Pope was very liberal but no one thought he would go this far. He slowly pushed out conservatives and brought in his administration liberals (sick) ones. In one sense Jesus is letting him speak his mind so that the world knows what he is. At this end of times, we are in, the Lord is exposing not only the Pope but every human being. Look around you. Christians who are voting and supporting [deleted] marriage, abortion , etc are the ones who are now crying loud against this Pope. Every one is being exposed by our actions not words. The Pope's sinful comments will sadly drive some faithful to the the wrong direction. Very sad day but as always the Church will go on. Since its first Pope , Peter, it had 265 Popes and some were literately against Jesus. All have passed away while the Church is standing still. NO ONE CAN DESTROY'S GOD'S CHURCH, not even this Pope.

this is an act of God to show the world who this Pope is really is. Just I say fasten your seats, pray everyday because this has just started, the "RUPTURE"

[Awash]

Zombie,
You're way over your head. You first have to respect the very basic rights of the Eritrean people and stop your crimes against humanity.

RSF brings “crime against humanity” case in Sweden against Eritrea’s president

©Kalle Ahlsén ORGANISATION RSF_en

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) filed a complaint today with the office of the Swedish prosecutor for international crimes accusing Eritrea’s President Isaias Afwerki and seven other senior Eritrean officials of a crime against humanity by holding a journalist incommunicado since 2001.

Their victim, Dawit Isaak, who has Swedish and Eritrean dual nationality, is the world’s longest held journalist. RSF hopes the complaint leads to a serious criminal investigation that results in the eight officials being prosecuted and convicted for the torture, abduction and enforced disappearance of Isaak.

Filed in Stockholm by two Swedish lawyers on RSF’s behalf, the complaint names Afwerki, the northeast African country’s president since 1993, as well as the foreign, justice and information ministers, and four other senior administrative and security officials.

“No matter how high their rank, the individuals who imprisoned Dawit Isaak and left him languishing there for nearly 20 years must be held criminally responsible,” said lawyer and Nobel peace prize laureate Shirin Ebadi, one of the complaint’s signatories. “Justice in Eritrea will not progress as long as these persons are able to act with complete impunity and no attempt is made to convict them by the countries that can.”
 
A journalist, poet and naturalized Swedish citizen, Isaak returned to his country of birth to serve “a free Eritrea” and launch a pro-reform newspaper, but was arrested during a series of round-ups of government opponents and independent journalists in September 2001 and has been held incommunicado ever since.

At no point in the past 19 years has he been allowed to see his lawyers or family, or receive a visit from UN or Swedish representatives, despite his Swedish nationality and many requests for visits. The last “proof of life” dates back to 2005. He is likely being held in appalling conditions at the Eiraeirodetention centre in the middle of a desert in the Northern Red Sea Region, where burning hot containers are used as cells.

When RSF’s lawyers filed an initial complaint with the Swedish courts in 2014, the Stockholm prosecutor general recognized that “crimes against humanity, at least in terms of enforced disappearance” had been committed against Isaak in Eritrea, that these crimes came under Swedish jurisdiction, and that there were “serious grounds” for opening a preliminary investigation.

But no such investigation was initiated because, after consultation with the Swedish foreign ministry, it was decided that this “could affect Sweden’s relations with Eritrea,” which could in turn “diminish the chances of pressuring for [Isaak’s] release.”

“This argument is no longer valid,” said Paul Coppin, the head of RSF’s legal unit. “Five years after this decision, Dawit Isaak is still missing and the Swedish authorities have obtained nothing - neither his release, nor a visit, nor proof of life. The many resolutions and condemnations by international bodies, including the UN Human Rights Council and the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights, have not achieved anything either. A criminal investigation is therefore now urgent.”

During a parliamentary hearing in Stockholm in 2019, Swedish foreign minister Ann Linde was herself “forced to conclude that Eritrea has not in any way listened to our concerns and has not followed up on them.”

The complaint filed on RSF’s behalf aims to pressure the Swedish judicial authorities into arresting those held responsible for Isaak’s fate if they enter Sweden and, if necessary, issuing international warrants for their arrest with the aim of trying them in Sweden.

In light of a complete lack of progress in the disastrous human rights situation in Eritrea, the Swedish justice system could thereby have a decisive impact in terms of assisting Isaak and the other journalists held since 2001. It could also help to end impunity for crimes of violence in Eritrea and help improve press freedom there.

Drafted and filed by the Swedish lawyers Percy Bratt and Jesús Alcalá, the complaint has been co-signed by Isaak’s brother, Esayas Isaak; by historian and expert in international affairs Susanne Berger, who coordinates the Raoul Wallenberg Research Initiative; by Björn Tunbäck, who heads the Dawit Isaak team within RSF’s Swedish section; and by Antoine Bernard, international lawyer and senior advisor for International strategic litigation at RSF .

Eleven prominent jurists and well-known international figures have also backed the initiative: 2003 Nobel peace laureate Shirin Ebadi; former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay; former African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights chair Pansy Tlakula; former Canadian justice minister Irwin Cotler; Bernhard Docke, a lawyer and member of the German Federal Bar’s human rights committee; international human rights lawyer David Matas; Eritrean Law Society director Daniel Mekonnen; Philippe Sands, a British and French lawyer who is president of English PEN; Institute for Human Rights and Development in Africa executive director Gaye Sowe; Straniak Academy for Democracy and Human Rights director Hannes Tretter; and University of Pretoria Centre for Human Rights director Frans Viljoen.

Eritrea is ranked 178th out of 180 countries in RSF's 2020 World Press Freedom Index.

https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-brings-crim ... -president

[Awash]

You can't even let these people worship freely, express themselves and have due process of law.

[Zmeselo]

I suppose, sùcking dícks is something extraordinary in the world of fa66ots like you.

Zombie,
You're way over your head. You first have to respect the very basic rights of the Eritrean people and stop your crimes against humanity.

RSF brings “crime against humanity” case in Sweden against Eritrea’s president

©Kalle Ahlsén ORGANISATION RSF_en

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) filed a complaint today with the office of the Swedish prosecutor for international crimes accusing Eritrea’s President Isaias Afwerki and seven other senior Eritrean officials of a crime against humanity by holding a journalist incommunicado since 2001.

Their victim, Dawit Isaak, who has Swedish and Eritrean dual nationality, is the world’s longest held journalist. RSF hopes the complaint leads to a serious criminal investigation that results in the eight officials being prosecuted and convicted for the torture, abduction and enforced disappearance of Isaak.

Filed in Stockholm by two Swedish lawyers on RSF’s behalf, the complaint names Afwerki, the northeast African country’s president since 1993, as well as the foreign, justice and information ministers, and four other senior administrative and security officials.

“No matter how high their rank, the individuals who imprisoned Dawit Isaak and left him languishing there for nearly 20 years must be held criminally responsible,” said lawyer and Nobel peace prize laureate Shirin Ebadi, one of the complaint’s signatories. “Justice in Eritrea will not progress as long as these persons are able to act with complete impunity and no attempt is made to convict them by the countries that can.”
 
A journalist, poet and naturalized Swedish citizen, Isaak returned to his country of birth to serve “a free Eritrea” and launch a pro-reform newspaper, but was arrested during a series of round-ups of government opponents and independent journalists in September 2001 and has been held incommunicado ever since.

At no point in the past 19 years has he been allowed to see his lawyers or family, or receive a visit from UN or Swedish representatives, despite his Swedish nationality and many requests for visits. The last “proof of life” dates back to 2005. He is likely being held in appalling conditions at the Eiraeirodetention centre in the middle of a desert in the Northern Red Sea Region, where burning hot containers are used as cells.

When RSF’s lawyers filed an initial complaint with the Swedish courts in 2014, the Stockholm prosecutor general recognized that “crimes against humanity, at least in terms of enforced disappearance” had been committed against Isaak in Eritrea, that these crimes came under Swedish jurisdiction, and that there were “serious grounds” for opening a preliminary investigation.

But no such investigation was initiated because, after consultation with the Swedish foreign ministry, it was decided that this “could affect Sweden’s relations with Eritrea,” which could in turn “diminish the chances of pressuring for [Isaak’s] release.”

“This argument is no longer valid,” said Paul Coppin, the head of RSF’s legal unit. “Five years after this decision, Dawit Isaak is still missing and the Swedish authorities have obtained nothing - neither his release, nor a visit, nor proof of life. The many resolutions and condemnations by international bodies, including the UN Human Rights Council and the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights, have not achieved anything either. A criminal investigation is therefore now urgent.”

During a parliamentary hearing in Stockholm in 2019, Swedish foreign minister Ann Linde was herself “forced to conclude that Eritrea has not in any way listened to our concerns and has not followed up on them.”

The complaint filed on RSF’s behalf aims to pressure the Swedish judicial authorities into arresting those held responsible for Isaak’s fate if they enter Sweden and, if necessary, issuing international warrants for their arrest with the aim of trying them in Sweden.

In light of a complete lack of progress in the disastrous human rights situation in Eritrea, the Swedish justice system could thereby have a decisive impact in terms of assisting Isaak and the other journalists held since 2001. It could also help to end impunity for crimes of violence in Eritrea and help improve press freedom there.

Drafted and filed by the Swedish lawyers Percy Bratt and Jesús Alcalá, the complaint has been co-signed by Isaak’s brother, Esayas Isaak; by historian and expert in international affairs Susanne Berger, who coordinates the Raoul Wallenberg Research Initiative; by Björn Tunbäck, who heads the Dawit Isaak team within RSF’s Swedish section; and by Antoine Bernard, international lawyer and senior advisor for International strategic litigation at RSF .

Eleven prominent jurists and well-known international figures have also backed the initiative: 2003 Nobel peace laureate Shirin Ebadi; former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay; former African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights chair Pansy Tlakula; former Canadian justice minister Irwin Cotler; Bernhard Docke, a lawyer and member of the German Federal Bar’s human rights committee; international human rights lawyer David Matas; Eritrean Law Society director Daniel Mekonnen; Philippe Sands, a British and French lawyer who is president of English PEN; Institute for Human Rights and Development in Africa executive director [deleted] Sowe; Straniak Academy for Democracy and Human Rights director Hannes Tretter; and University of Pretoria Centre for Human Rights director Frans Viljoen.

Eritrea is ranked 178th out of 180 countries in RSF's 2020 World Press Freedom Index.

https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-brings-crim ... -president

[Temt]

That is a sad "political correctness" crap on the part of the Pope. No wonder so many Catholic clergies are consistently accused of the hideous child pedophἱle!

[Awash]

Zombie,
How low can you get. You can't let people (Christians) worship the very God you quoted and you put them inside metal shipping containers and inflicted untold suffering tantamount to crimes against humaity. Which is worse? Two guys fornicating and condemning themselves to eternal damnation, or committing massive crimes against humanity?

I suppose, sùcking dícks is something extraordinary in the world of fa66ots like you.

Zombie,
You're way over your head. You first have to respect the very basic rights of the Eritrean people and stop your crimes against humanity.

RSF brings “crime against humanity” case in Sweden against Eritrea’s president

©Kalle Ahlsén ORGANISATION RSF_en

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) filed a complaint today with the office of the Swedish prosecutor for international crimes accusing Eritrea’s President Isaias Afwerki and seven other senior Eritrean officials of a crime against humanity by holding a journalist incommunicado since 2001.

Their victim, Dawit Isaak, who has Swedish and Eritrean dual nationality, is the world’s longest held journalist. RSF hopes the complaint leads to a serious criminal investigation that results in the eight officials being prosecuted and convicted for the torture, abduction and enforced disappearance of Isaak.

Filed in Stockholm by two Swedish lawyers on RSF’s behalf, the complaint names Afwerki, the northeast African country’s president since 1993, as well as the foreign, justice and information ministers, and four other senior administrative and security officials.

“No matter how high their rank, the individuals who imprisoned Dawit Isaak and left him languishing there for nearly 20 years must be held criminally responsible,” said lawyer and Nobel peace prize laureate Shirin Ebadi, one of the complaint’s signatories. “Justice in Eritrea will not progress as long as these persons are able to act with complete impunity and no attempt is made to convict them by the countries that can.”
 
A journalist, poet and naturalized Swedish citizen, Isaak returned to his country of birth to serve “a free Eritrea” and launch a pro-reform newspaper, but was arrested during a series of round-ups of government opponents and independent journalists in September 2001 and has been held incommunicado ever since.

At no point in the past 19 years has he been allowed to see his lawyers or family, or receive a visit from UN or Swedish representatives, despite his Swedish nationality and many requests for visits. The last “proof of life” dates back to 2005. He is likely being held in appalling conditions at the Eiraeirodetention centre in the middle of a desert in the Northern Red Sea Region, where burning hot containers are used as cells.

When RSF’s lawyers filed an initial complaint with the Swedish courts in 2014, the Stockholm prosecutor general recognized that “crimes against humanity, at least in terms of enforced disappearance” had been committed against Isaak in Eritrea, that these crimes came under Swedish jurisdiction, and that there were “serious grounds” for opening a preliminary investigation.

But no such investigation was initiated because, after consultation with the Swedish foreign ministry, it was decided that this “could affect Sweden’s relations with Eritrea,” which could in turn “diminish the chances of pressuring for [Isaak’s] release.”

“This argument is no longer valid,” said Paul Coppin, the head of RSF’s legal unit. “Five years after this decision, Dawit Isaak is still missing and the Swedish authorities have obtained nothing - neither his release, nor a visit, nor proof of life. The many resolutions and condemnations by international bodies, including the UN Human Rights Council and the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights, have not achieved anything either. A criminal investigation is therefore now urgent.”

During a parliamentary hearing in Stockholm in 2019, Swedish foreign minister Ann Linde was herself “forced to conclude that Eritrea has not in any way listened to our concerns and has not followed up on them.”

The complaint filed on RSF’s behalf aims to pressure the Swedish judicial authorities into arresting those held responsible for Isaak’s fate if they enter Sweden and, if necessary, issuing international warrants for their arrest with the aim of trying them in Sweden.

In light of a complete lack of progress in the disastrous human rights situation in Eritrea, the Swedish justice system could thereby have a decisive impact in terms of assisting Isaak and the other journalists held since 2001. It could also help to end impunity for crimes of violence in Eritrea and help improve press freedom there.

Drafted and filed by the Swedish lawyers Percy Bratt and Jesús Alcalá, the complaint has been co-signed by Isaak’s brother, Esayas Isaak; by historian and expert in international affairs Susanne Berger, who coordinates the Raoul Wallenberg Research Initiative; by Björn Tunbäck, who heads the Dawit Isaak team within RSF’s Swedish section; and by Antoine Bernard, international lawyer and senior advisor for International strategic litigation at RSF .

Eleven prominent jurists and well-known international figures have also backed the initiative: 2003 Nobel peace laureate Shirin Ebadi; former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay; former African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights chair Pansy Tlakula; former Canadian justice minister Irwin Cotler; Bernhard Docke, a lawyer and member of the German Federal Bar’s human rights committee; international human rights lawyer David Matas; Eritrean Law Society director Daniel Mekonnen; Philippe Sands, a British and French lawyer who is president of English PEN; Institute for Human Rights and Development in Africa executive director [deleted] Sowe; Straniak Academy for Democracy and Human Rights director Hannes Tretter; and University of Pretoria Centre for Human Rights director Frans Viljoen.

Eritrea is ranked 178th out of 180 countries in RSF's 2020 World Press Freedom Index.

https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-brings-crim ... -president

[Awash]

Will the Real savage Anti-Christ please rise

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[Somaliman]

No wonder even far-right members are converting to Islam!

Arthur Wagner who quit Alternative für Deutschland, which is a German far-right political party which campaigns on anti-Muslim ticket, converted to Islam in protest at acceptance of ga.y marriage in the church!

Elias Kifle might be sued by LGBt activists for censoring the word ga.y!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... eutschland

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EUROPE
Pope Francis Backs Civil Unions for Gày Couples, in Shift for Vatican

Pontiff’s remarks, in documentary film, are likely to exacerbate existing divisions in the church

It just is very sad that we have come this far close to the time of Sodom and Gomera time. And propably is a sign that the church age is about to be closed soon enough. Otherwise, the pope wouldn't have been on his place as a pope by now.

No wonder even far-right members are converting to Islam!

Are you out of your mind? Just somedays ago I saw a video that Deqi-Arawit shared at this forum about Islam and Cannibalism. I couldn't believe what I heard. Really! There is no trust in God in that religion. And there is no divinity to speak of. God says don't kill, And they tell you they don't only kill but they do it in the name of God and also eat what they kill in his name. All I can say is, All this signs are signs of the end of church ages and time of reflection to prepare ourselves to choose the right direction and be ready for the worst challenges that are ahead of us.

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[Somaliman]

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Pope Francis Backs Civil Unions for Gày Couples, in Shift for Vatican

Pontiff’s remarks, in documentary film, are likely to exacerbate existing divisions in the church

It just is very sad that we have come this far close to the time of Sodom and Gomera time. And propably is a sign that the church age is about to be closed soon enough. Otherwise, the pope wouldn't have been on his place as a pope by now.

No wonder even far-right members are converting to Islam!

Are you out of your mind? Just somedays ago I saw a video that Deqi-Arawit shared at this forum about Islam and Cannibalism. I couldn't believe what I heard. Really! There is no trust in God in that religion. And there is no divinity to speak of. God says don't kill, And they tell you they don't only kill but they do it in the name of God and also eat what they kill in his name. All I can say is, All this signs are signs of the end of church ages and time of reflection to prepare ourselves to choose the right direction and be ready for the worst challenges that are ahead of us.

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And propably is a sign that the church age is about to be closed soon enough.

Cut the fairy tale crap, boy, you can hang yourself high if you wanted to, but there's no church age to be over soon or later! Christianity is gradually vanishing and it's on its way to a total extinction, while Islam is the world's fastest growing religion! Haven't you heard that Christianity has been dying out in Europe, and churches in Europe have been transformed into training centres or charity shops, when they were not knocked down!

[eritrea]

Cut the fairy tale crap, boy, you can hang yourself high if you wanted to, but there's no church age to be over soon or later! Christianity is gradually vanishing and it's on its way to a total extinction, while Islam is the world's fastest growing religion! Haven't you heard that Christianity has been dying out in Europe, and churches in Europe have been transformed into training centres or charity shops, when they were not knocked down!

Take it easy. Being emotional is a sign of weakness. Weakness in ideologies and principles. In Christianity even though it is the largest religion in this world. Amount of believers are not a factor that one seeks to validate its correctness but its doctrine, teaching and bylaw. All of which must fit with the will of God according to scriptures. Otherwise, having major number of followers that goes astray has God no use for.

[Meleket]

የምን መንጫጫት ነው። እኛ ካቶሊካዉያን እምነታችን ከቅዱስ መጽሐፍ በላይ ዓለቱ ላይ በታነጸችው በቤተክርስትያናችን ነው ብንል ግር የሚለው ሰው መቸም አይጠፋም። ለምን ብንባል ቅዱስ መጸሐፉንም ቢሆን አሁን ባለው ይዞታው ከስንትና ስንት መጻሕፍት ውስጥ መርምራና መርጣ እነኚህ በመንፈስ ቅዱስ ተመርተው ሰዎች የጻፉልን ለኛ የሚበጁ መጸሐፍት ናቸው ብላ ጠርዛ አንድ መጸሐፍ አድርጋ የሰጠችን ዓለቱ ላይ የተመሰረተችው ቤተክርስትያናችን ነችና ነው።

ታድያ ማንም ጥራዝ ነጠቅ ከመጸሐፍ ቅዱስ ስለጠቀሰና “የመገናኛ ብዙሐንን” ተጠቅሞ ቃላት እንዳሻው እየቆለመመ “ብዙሐንን የማደናገር ‘ስራውን’ ለመስራት ቢፍጨረጨር የሚለወጥ ነገር የለም። ጳጳሶቻችን ሮም ላይ ብሰማእትነት ከተሰዋው ከቅዱስ ጴጥሮስ ጀምሮ ልክ እንደ ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ነገም ዛሬም ተነገበስትያም ፍቅርን ይሰብካሉ፡ ኃጢአተኛን (አለመጥላት አለማግለል) መውደድ፡ ኃጢኣቱን ግን መጥላት በሚለው መርህ ፍቅርን ይሰብኩናል። ማንን ነበር “መምህራቹ ምን ሆኖ ነው ከኃጥያተኞች ጋር ... ” ብለው የጠየቁት። መልሱ ምን ነበር እቴ። ለማንኛውም ኢሳ 54 ማንበባችንን እንቀጥል።

[Zmeselo]

Roman Catholic Faith Examined!

Did The Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?

Catholics say Yes! Truth says No!

We Speak truth in LOVE

tell us if we have misrepresented Catholic Faith- https://www.bible.ca/seek-comment.htm

Did The Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?

https://www.bible.ca/cath-bible-origin.htm

Catholics contend that the whole world is indebted to the Roman Catholic church for the existence of the Bible. This is another of their attempts to exalt the church as an authority in addition to the Bible.

Please notice the following from Catholic sources:

• "If she had not scrutinized carefully the writings of her children, rejecting some and approving others as worthy of inclusion in the canon of the New Testament, there would be no New Testament today.
• "If she had not declared the books composing the New Testament to be inspired word of God, we would not know it.
• "The only authority which non-Catholics have for the inspiration of the Scriptures is the authority of the Catholic Church." (The Faith of Millions, p. 145)
• "It is only by the divine authority of the Catholic Church that Christians know that the scripture is the word of God, and what books certainly belong to the Bible." (The Question Box, p. 46)
• "It was the Catholic Church and no other which selected and listed the inspired books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament...If you can accept the Bible or any part of it as inspired Word of God, you can do so only because the Catholic Church says it is." (The Bible is a Catholic Book, p. 4).

The Catholic writers quoted above state that one can accept the Bible as being inspired and as having authority only on the basis of the Catholic Church. In reality, the Bible is inspired and has authority, not because a church declared it so, but because God made it so. God delivered it by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and declared that it would abide forever. "All scripture is inspired of God..." (2 Tim. 3:16). "...Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Pet. 1:21). "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." (Matt. 24:35). "The grass withered, and the flower has fallen--but the word of the Lord endures forever." (1 Pet. 1:24-25). The Catholics are wrong, therefore, in their assumption that the Bible is authoritative only because of the Catholic Church. The Bible does not owe its existence to the Catholic Church, but to the authority, power and providence of God.

It would seem unnecessary for the Catholic Church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when both it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God. However, it is an attempt to weaken the Bible as the sole authority and to replace it with their man-made church. If it is true that we can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church, doesn't that make the Catholic Church superior to the Bible? This is exactly what Catholic officials want men to believe. Their only problem is that their doctrine comes from their own human reasoning rather than from God. Their logic is a classic example of their "circle reasoning." They try to prove the Bible by the church (can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church) and prove the church by the Bible ("has ever grounded her doctrines upon it"). Such is absurd reasoning which proves nothing. Either the New Testament is the sole authority or it is not. If it is the New Testament, it cannot be the church, and if it is the church, it cannot be the New Testament.

Notice, again, the following from Catholic sources:

• "Because it never was a Bible, till the infallible Church pronounced it to be so. The separate treatises, each of them inspired, were lying, as it were dispersedly; easy to confound with others, that were uninspired. The Church gathered them up, selected them, pronounced judgment on them; rejecting some, which she defined and declared not to be canonical, because not inspired; adopting others as being inspired, and therefore canonical." (What Is the Bible? p. 6).
• "And since the books of the Bible constituting both the Old and the New Testament were determined solely by the authority of the Catholic Church, without the Church there would have been no Bible, and hence no Protestantism." (The Faith of Millions, p. 10).

In addition to the above, Catholics often boast that the Bible was written by Catholics, e.g., "All the books of the New Testament were written by Catholics." (The Bible is a Catholic Book, p. 14). When we consider the word "catholic" as meaning "universal," we readily admit that the writers were "catholic" in that sense; they were members of the church universal--the church of Christ which is described in the New Testament Scriptures (Col. 1:18; Rom. 16:16). However, we firmly deny that the writers of the New Testament were members of the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today. The Roman Catholic Church was not fully developed until several hundred years after the New Testament was written. It is not the same institution as disclosed in the New Testament. The New Testament books were written by members of the Lord's church, but they are not its author. God Himself is the author of the New Testament.

The Catholic officials above claim that without the Catholic Church there would be no Bible; they argue that mankind can accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the Catholic Church which gathered the books and determined which were inspired. Surely the Catholic Church cannot claim that it gave us the Old Testament Scriptures. The Old Testament came through the Jews (God's chosen people of old) who had the holy oracles entrusted to them. Paul said, "What advantage then remains to the Jew, or what is the use of circumcision? Much in every respect. First, indeed, because the oracles of God were entrusted to them." (Rom. 3:1-2; see also Rom. 9:4-5; Acts 7:38).

The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek long before Christ came to earth. The Septuagint Version was translated by seventy scholars at Alexandria, Egypt around the year 227 B.C., and this was the version Christ and His apostles used. Christ did not tell the people, as Catholics do today, that they could accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the authority of those who gathered them and declared them to be inspired. He urged the people of His day to follow the Old Testament Scriptures as the infallible guide, not because man or any group of men has sanctioned them as such, but because they came from God. Furthermore, He understood that God-fearing men and women would be able to discern by evidence (external and internal) which books were of God and which were not; thus, He never raised questions and doubts concerning the gathering of the inspired books.

If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?

If the Bible is a Catholic book, how can Catholics account for the passage, "A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher...He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?" (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). The Catholic Church does not allow a bishop to marry, while the Bible says "he must be married." Furthermore, if the Bible is a Catholic book, why did they write the Bible as it is, and feel the necessity of putting footnotes at the bottom of the page in effort to keep their subject from believing what is in the text?

The following list give a summation of what we have been trying to emphasize. If the Bible is a Catholic book,

1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).
7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?

Please notice further quotes from Catholic sources:

• "During those early times parts of the Bible were scattered among the various churches, no one of which had the complete Bible as we have it now. Then in A.D. 390, at the Council of Hippo, the Catholic Church gathered together the various books which claimed to be scripture, passed on the merits and claims of each and this council decided which were inspired and which were not. The Catholic Church put all the inspired books and epistles together in one volume and THAT is the Bible as we have it today. The Catholic Church therefore gave to the people and the World, the Bible as we have it today." (From a magazine advertisement published by the Knights of Columbus bearing the title, "Who Gave the Bible to the People?"
• "It was not until the Council of Hippo in 390 that the Church gathered these gospels and epistles, scattered about in different churches, and placed them within the covers of a single book, giving the Bible to the world." (The Faith of Millions, p. 152).
• "Indeed, when you accept the Bible as the Word of God, you are obliged to receive it on the authority of the Catholic Church, who was the sole Guardian of the Scriptures for fifteen hundred years." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 68).
• "When were all these writings put together? The Catholic Church put all of them in one book between the years 350 and 405." (A Catechism for Adults, p. 10).

Thus, Catholics argue that since the Council of Hippo in 390 A.D. proclaimed which books were actually inspired and placed them in one volume, all are indebted to the Catholic Church for the New Testament and can accept it only on the authority of the Catholic Church. There are several things wrong with this. First, it cannot be proven that the church which held the Council of Hippo in 390 A.D. was the same church which is now known as the Roman Catholic Church. For example, the church of 390 had no crucifixes and images because, "The first mention of Crucifixes are in the sixth century" and "The whole tradition of veneration holy images gradually and naturally developed" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. VII, p. 667). The church of 390 took communion under both kinds because that was the prevailing practice until it was formally abolished in 1416 A.D. (See Lives and Times of the Roman Pontiffs, Vol. I, p. 111). The church of 390 was a church altogether different from the Roman Catholic Church today.

Furthermore, in the proceedings of the Council of Hippo, the bishops did not mention nor give the slightest hint that they were for the first time "officially" cataloging the books of he Bible for the world. It was not until the fourth session of the Council of Trent (1545-1563) that the bishops and high ranking officials of the Catholic Church "officially" cataloged the books they thought should be included in the Bible and bound them upon the consciences of all Catholics. (See Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, pp. 17-18).

Secondly, God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His sacred books only because of councils or on the basis of councils. It takes no vote or sanction of a council to make the books of the Bible authoritative. Men were able to rightly discern which books were inspired before the existence of ecclesiastical councils and men can do so today. A council of men in 390 with no divine authority whatever, supposedly took upon itself the right to state which books were inspired, and Catholics argue, "We can accept the Bible only on the authority of the Catholic Church." Can we follow such reasoning?

Thirdly, it cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo. In the following we list some of the catalogues of the books of the Bible which are given by early Christian writers.

• 326. Athanasius, bishop at Alexandria, mentions all of the New Testament books.
• 315-386. Cyril, bishop at Jerusalem, gives a list of all New Testament books except Revelation.
• 270. Eusebius, bishop at Caesarea, called the Father of ecclesiastical history, gives an account of the persecution of Emperor Diocletian whose edict required that all churches be destroyed and the Scriptures burned. He lists all the books of the New Testament. He was commissioned by Constantine to have transcribed fifty copies of the Bible for use of the churches of Constantinople.
• 185-254. Origen, born at Alexandria, names all the books of both the Old and New Testaments.
• 165-220. Clement, of Alexandria, names all the books of the New Testament except Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John. In addition we are told by Eusebius, who had the works of Clement, that he gave explanations and quotations from all the canonical books.
• 160-240. Turtullian, contemporary of Origen and Clement, mentions all the New Testament books except 2 Peter, James and 2 John.
• 135-200. Irenaeus, quoted from all New Testament books except Philemon, Jude, James and 3 John.
• 100-147. Justin Martyr, mentions the Gospels as being four in number and quotes from them and some of the epistles of Paul and Revelation.
• Besides the above, the early church fathers have handed down in their writings quotations from all the New Testament books so much so that it is said that the entire New Testament can be reproduced from their writings alone.

Thus, the New Testament books were in existence in their present form at the close of the apostolic age. As a matter of fact, the apostles themselves put their writings into circulation. "And when this letter has been read among you, see that it be read in the church of the Laodiceans also; and that you yourselves read the letter from Laodicea." (Col. 4:16). "I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read to all the holy brethren." (1 Thess. 5:27). The holy Scriptures were written for all (1 Cor. 1:2; Eph. 1:1) and all will be judged by them in the last day (Rev. 20:12; John 12:48). Jesus said that His Word will abide forever (Matt. 24:35; 1 Pet. 1:23-25).

Fourthly, the Catholic claim of giving the Bible to the world cannot be true because they have not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. Some of the most valuable Greek Bibles and Versions have been handed down to us from non-Roman Catholic sources. A notable example of this is the Codex Sinaiticus which was found in the monastery of St. Catherine (of the Greek Orthodox Church) at Mount Sinai in 1844 and is now in the British Museum. It contains all of the books of the New Testament and all but small portions of the Old Testament. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was made early in the fourth century, not later than 350 A.D. This manuscript found by a German scholar named, Tishendorf, who was a Protestant, and this manuscript which is the most complete of all has never been in the hands of the Roman Catholic Church.

Another valuable manuscript that has never been possessed by the Roman Catholic Church is the Codex Alexandrianus. It, too, is now on exhibit in the manuscript room of the British Museum in London. It was a gift from the Patriarch of Constantinople (of the Greek Orthodox Church) to Charles I in 1628. It had been in possession of the Patriarchs for centuries and originally came from Alexandria, Egypt from which it gets its name. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was also made in the fourth century and, along with the Codex Sinaiticus, is thought to be one of the fifty Greek Bibles commissioned to be copied by Constantine.

In the light of the foregoing, the boastful claim of the Roman Catholic Church that it has been the sole guardian and preserver of the sacred Scriptures down to the present, is nothing but pure falsehood. The Bible is not a Catholic book. Catholics did not write it, nor does their doctrines and church meet the description of the doctrine and church of which it speaks. The New Testament was completed before the end of the first century, A.D. The things in it do not correspond to the Catholic Church which hundreds of years after the death of the apostles slowly evolved into what it now is. The Catholic Church is not the original and true church, but a "church" born of many departures and corruptions from the New Testament church. Even if the Catholic Church could prove that it alone is the sole deliverer of the Scriptures to man today, it still remains that the Catholic Church is not following the Bible and is contrary to the Bible. Furthermore, even if the Catholic Church could show conclusively that it alone is responsible for gathering the books, it does not prove that the Catholic Church is infallible, nor does it prove that it is the author of the Bible. God has at times used evil agencies to accomplish His purpose (Jer. 27:6-8; 43:10; Hab. 1:5-11; John 11:49-52).

We have studied, therefore, that the Catholic Church argues that since one of its councils in 390 selected the sacred books, one can accept them only on the basis of its authority. We have answered by showing: (1) The Bible is inspired and has authority, not because a church declared it so but because God made it so. (2) Jesus did not teach the people in His day that they could accept the Old Testament Scriptures only on the basis of those who placed the books into one volume. (3) It is a mere assumption that the Council of Hippo in 390 was a Council of the church which is now the Roman Catholic Church. (4) God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His books only on the basis of councils. (5) The Catholic Church is not solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. (6) The Catholic Church has not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. (7) Even if it could be proven that the Catholic Church gathered the books into one volume, it still remains that it is not following the Bible today.

BIBLIOGRAPHY

A Catechism For Adults, William J. Conan, ACTA Publications, Chicago, Illinois, 1959.

Catholic Encyclopedia, Knights of Columbus, (Fifteen Volumes), The Encyclopedia Press, Inc., New York, 1913.

Canons and Decrees of he Council of Trent, H.J. Schroeder, B. Herder Book company, St. Louis, London, 1950.

Lives and Times of the Roman Pontiffs, Chevalier Artand De Montor, D & J Stadler & Co., New York, 1869.

Question Box, Bertrand L. Conway, The Columbus Press, New York, N.Y., 1913.

Question Box, New Revised Edition, Bertrand L. Conway, The Paulist Press, New York, N.Y., 1929.

The Bible is a Catholic Book, Knights of Columbus Religious Information Bureau, St. Louis, 1948.

The Faith of Millions, John A. O'Brien, Our Sunday Visitor, Huntington, Ind., 1938.

The Faith of Our Fathers, James Cardinal Gibbons, John Murphy Co., Baltimore, Md., 1917.

What is the Bible? W.H. Anderson, International Truth Society, Brooklyn, New York, 1962.

Who Gave the Bible to the People? Knights of Columbus Religious Information Bureau, St. Louis, 1948.

CATHOLIC TRANSLATIONS

Confraternity-Douay Version, Timothy Press, Chicago, 1959

Douay-Rheims Version, Catholic Book Publishing Co., New York, 1945.

Catholic Edition-Revised Standard Version, Published by Thomas Nelson & Sons Ltd for the Incorporated Catholic Truth Society, London, 1966.

By David J. Riggs

Catholics Assembled Canon?

1. the Syriac and Coptic versions were translated from the Greek in the second century
2. Latin Version was translated from Greek in the 2nd century in 375 the Gothic Version was translated by Ufilas
3. Jerome stated that in his work of revising the Old Latin he used a Greek Bible which belonged to Origen who lived in the early part of the third century
4. Constantine, the emperor of Rome, at the end of the third century, ordered fifty copies of the Bible transcribed
5. Origen, born A.D. 185 and died A.D. 254, named all the books of the Bible in his writings
6. Eusebius, 270 A.D., lists all of the books of the NT
7. Cyril, 315 A.D. to 386 A.D., lists all NT books, except Revelation
8. Both the Vatican Manuscript and the Sinaitic Manuscript date back earlier than 390 A.D.

[Awash]

Zombie,
Release the Patriarch and the other Evangelical ministers. You can then talk about Christian values.

[Meleket]

እነኝህ ጽሁፎች፡ ብዙሐንን ለማደናገር “የመገናኛ ብዙሐንን” ለሚጠቀሙ ጥራዝ ነጠቆች ጭምር መልካም ትምህርትን ይዘዋል። በርጋታና በሰከነ ክርስትያናዊ መንፈስ እንዲያነቡት ይጋበዛሉ።

ክርስትና እንዲህ ይሰበካል .. .. ..The Command of Love is New Because it is a Gift and Not a Law .. .. ..
https://zenit.org/2020/10/23/archbishop ... %20a%20Law

እንዲህም እየተሰበከ በተግባር ይኖራል .. .. .. Love is the Greatest of all Commandments
https://zenit.org/2020/10/25/love-is-th ... mmandments

እንዲህም የወንድማማችነትና የአንድነት መንፈስ ይገነባል .. .. .. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I Receives Honorary Doctorate from Pontifical Antonianum University
https://zenit.org/2020/10/23/ecumenical ... University

“እግዚኣብሔር ፍቅር ነው።”!

[Zmeselo]

Qondaf, stop saying you're an Eritrean when you've clearly confessed being an Ethiopian. Stop talking, through both sides of your mouth. Is that ur: "Christian value"? Is calling someone a "zombie" a sign of ur "Christian value"?

Zombie,
Release the Patriarch and the other Evangelical ministers. You can then talk about Christian values.

[Meleket]

እድሜና ጤና ለኤልያስ ክፍሌ እያልን፡ የዘራነውን እንደምናጭድ ስለምናውቅ፡ እንዘራለን።

ካለፉት የሃይማኖት ኣባቶች በአንደኛው(በቅዱስ ዮሃንስ ጳውሎስ ዳግማዊ) አባባል ክርስትና እንዲህም ይጠቀሳል፡

“There is no peace without justice, and no justice without forgiveness.”

“An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded.”

“Dear young people, let yourselves be taken over by the light of Christ, and spread that light wherever you are.”

“We are not the sum of our weaknesses and failures; we are the sum of the Father’s love for us and our real capacity to become the image of his Son.”

“Love of Christ does not distract us from interest in others, but rather invites us to responsibility for them, to the exclusion of no one….”

“Forgiveness is above all a personal choice, a decision of the heart to go against the natural instinct to pay back evil with evil.”

“The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency.”

“Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it.”

“The cemetery of the victims of human cruelty in our century is extended to include yet another vast cemetery, that of the unborn.”

“In the fulfillment of your duties, let your intentions be so pure that you reject from your actions any other motive than the glory of God and the salvation of souls.”

“And Christ, through His own salvific suffering, is very much present in every human suffering, and can act from within that suffering by the powers of His Spirit of truth, His consoling spirit.”

“In Christ and through Christ man has acquired full awareness of his dignity.”

“A person's rightful due is to be treated as an object of love, not as an object for use.”

“Do not be afraid to take a chance on peace, to teach peace, to live peace...Peace will be the last word of history.”

“Ask yourselves, young people, about the love of Christ. Acknowledge His voice resounding in the temple of your heart. Return His bright and penetrating glance which opens the paths of your life to the horizons of the Church’s mission. It is a taxing mission, today more than ever, to teach men the truth about themselves, about their end, their destiny, and to show faithful souls the unspeakable riches of the love of Christ. Do not be afraid of the radicalness of His demands, because Jesus, who loved us first, is prepared to give Himself to you, as well as asking of you. If He asks much of you, it is because He knows you can give much.”

“ This is no time to be ashamed of the Gospel. It is the time to preach it from the rooftops. Do not be afraid to break out of comfortable and routine modes of living in order to take up the challenge of making Christ known in the modern metropolis. ”

“Peace is not just the absence of war. Like a cathedral, peace must be constructed patiently and with unshakable faith.”

“Through Mary, we come to her Son more easily.”

“God is Love. We eventually have to ask ourselves the question; why was Love nailed to a cross?”

“Do not abandon yourselves to despair. We are the Easter people and hallelujah is our song.”

እነኝህ ጽሁፎች፡ ብዙሐንን ለማደናገር “የመገናኛ ብዙሐንን” ለሚጠቀሙ ጥራዝ ነጠቆች ጭምር መልካም ትምህርትን ይዘዋል። በርጋታና በሰከነ ክርስትያናዊ መንፈስ እንዲያነቡት ይጋበዛሉ።

ክርስትና እንዲህ ይሰበካል .. .. ..The Command of Love is New Because it is a Gift and Not a Law .. .. ..
https://zenit.org/2020/10/23/archbishop ... %20a%20Law

እንዲህም እየተሰበከ በተግባር ይኖራል .. .. .. Love is the Greatest of all Commandments
https://zenit.org/2020/10/25/love-is-th ... mmandments

እንዲህም የወንድማማችነትና የአንድነት መንፈስ ይገነባል .. .. .. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I Receives Honorary Doctorate from Pontifical Antonianum University
https://zenit.org/2020/10/23/ecumenical ... University

“እግዚኣብሔር ፍቅር ነው።”!

[Awash]

Zombie,
Release the prisoners, wedi40. I'm from the deported people by your nemesis weyane. You know, the ones you call "Ethiopians of Eritrean origin", unlike your deqi komarit tyrants cento per cento. Besides, the Ethiopians have not committed as much crimes against the Eritrean people as your tyrants.
Set the Patriarch and Evangelical ministers free before you talk about the Pope.

Qondaf, stop saying you're an Eritrean when you've clearly confessed being an Ethiopian. Stop talking, through both sides of your mouth. Is that ur: "Christian value"? Is calling someone a "zombie" a sign of ur "Christian value"?

Zombie,
Release the Patriarch and the other Evangelical ministers. You can then talk about Christian values.

[Zmeselo]

Not surprising if you want to set your genocidal leaders free from all the crimes they committed on the Eritrean people (from Haile to Mengie to Legesse), while the reality is recorded in our memory & history books for posterity to learn from, self confessed Ethiopian.

You know what the Bible says about false/lying witnesses, right?

You gonna fry!!!!

Zombie,
Release the prisoners, wedi40. I'm from the deported people by your nemesis weyane. You know, the ones you call "Ethiopians of Eritrean origin", unlike your deqi komarit tyrants cento per cento. Besides, the Ethiopians have not committed as much crimes against the Eritrean people as your tyrants.
Set the Patriarch and Evangelical ministers free before you talk about the Pope.

Qondaf, stop saying you're an Eritrean when you've clearly confessed being an Ethiopian. Stop talking, through both sides of your mouth. Is that ur: "Christian value"? Is calling someone a "zombie" a sign of ur "Christian value"?

Zombie,
Release the Patriarch and the other Evangelical ministers. You can then talk about Christian values.