Your wishy washy, wobbly wobblu argument denying the existence of slavery in Eritrea is debunked by the preponderance of the evidence.
Case Closed.
Re: ሕብረት ኣውሮጳ፡ 'ንኤርትራ ክህቦ ዝሓሰበ ልዕሊ 50 ሚልዮን ዩሮ ስሒብዎ
People v. Zombie & YOYO:
Your wishy washy, wobbly wobblu argument denying the existence of slavery in Eritrea is debunked by the preponderance of the evidence.
Case Closed.
Your wishy washy, wobbly wobblu argument denying the existence of slavery in Eritrea is debunked by the preponderance of the evidence.
Case Closed.
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Re: ሕብረት ኣውሮጳ፡ 'ንኤርትራ ክህቦ ዝሓሰበ ልዕሊ 50 ሚልዮን ዩሮ ስሒብዎ
Hi Awash: I am telling the European Union through Awash & Co., their instruments
Awash, use your own mind. First, when anybody talks about slave-labor or forced labor in Eritrea, ask yourself what they mean by slave or forced labor. Secondly, try to honestly find out if there is slavery or forced labor in Eritrea. If you don't know, admit your ignorance.The Europeans have defined what they mean by a slave (as a person who is the property of another person). They have also clarified what is not included when they prohibit forced labor.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ ... rights-act
Any service of compulsory military nature, or its substitute, is permitted according to their laws. It is also legal in Europe for a government/society to force some of its citizens to provide service to their community or nation as a civic obligation or in need of confronting emergency threats to their nation or local community. If you are a normal and honest person, you would confront the Europeans who claim different conclusions for things (conscription and national service) that are the same in Europe and Eritrea.
Stop using any allegation that is not proven true against Eritrea or its Government. What is not true would not help your cause because your credibility will suffer, and it creates divisions among Eritreans. You can oppose military conscription and National Service in Eritrea for your own reasons (explain what they are). If you personally hate conscription or national service, say so. But claiming that conscription and national service are slavery or forced labor is an exaggeration, and exaggerations are lies. What do you gain by spreading lies about Eritrea(ns).
Awash, use your own mind. First, when anybody talks about slave-labor or forced labor in Eritrea, ask yourself what they mean by slave or forced labor. Secondly, try to honestly find out if there is slavery or forced labor in Eritrea. If you don't know, admit your ignorance.The Europeans have defined what they mean by a slave (as a person who is the property of another person). They have also clarified what is not included when they prohibit forced labor.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ ... rights-act
Any service of compulsory military nature, or its substitute, is permitted according to their laws. It is also legal in Europe for a government/society to force some of its citizens to provide service to their community or nation as a civic obligation or in need of confronting emergency threats to their nation or local community. If you are a normal and honest person, you would confront the Europeans who claim different conclusions for things (conscription and national service) that are the same in Europe and Eritrea.
Stop using any allegation that is not proven true against Eritrea or its Government. What is not true would not help your cause because your credibility will suffer, and it creates divisions among Eritreans. You can oppose military conscription and National Service in Eritrea for your own reasons (explain what they are). If you personally hate conscription or national service, say so. But claiming that conscription and national service are slavery or forced labor is an exaggeration, and exaggerations are lies. What do you gain by spreading lies about Eritrea(ns).
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Re: ሕብረት ኣውሮጳ፡ 'ንኤርትራ ክህቦ ዝሓሰበ ልዕሊ 50 ሚልዮን ዩሮ ስሒብዎ
Hi Awash: "Slave-like" and "slave" are not the same, but different conditions
Slavery and slave-like conditions are qualitatively different conditions. In slavery, the slave is the property of another person(s), and normally has no personal, human, economic, social or political rights. Eritreans who are in military or civilian services are non-slave, otherwise free, citizens who are forced to do their obligations for common good (to help their nation get out of emergency threats that Eritrea faced/faces/may face).
The phrase, "slave-like", is used by some people to describe conditions that in some aspect appear to be, but are further away from the real conditions of a slave, and for reasons of political emphasis or campaign, are exaggerated as if they are true conditions of a slave. If a condition is slave-like (1% or 5% or 55% or 75%...), it means that it is really different than that of a slave. Give a slave-like condition its own separate name, if you want, but it is not a slave condition.
A slave is forced to be the property of another person and be under the total control of the owner, but every imposition of force on a free citizen does not necessarily transform that citizen into a slave. For example, forcing a person to pay taxes or go to school or be punished for transgressing laws, be drafted, etc. does not change that person into a slave. Most important of all, there are neither slavery nor slaves, and therefore, no slave-labor in Eritrea. Anybody, European or Eritrean or Etiyopiyan or etc., who claims that slave labor exists in Eritrea has no factual basis. That is the whole point.
Slavery and slave-like conditions are qualitatively different conditions. In slavery, the slave is the property of another person(s), and normally has no personal, human, economic, social or political rights. Eritreans who are in military or civilian services are non-slave, otherwise free, citizens who are forced to do their obligations for common good (to help their nation get out of emergency threats that Eritrea faced/faces/may face).
The phrase, "slave-like", is used by some people to describe conditions that in some aspect appear to be, but are further away from the real conditions of a slave, and for reasons of political emphasis or campaign, are exaggerated as if they are true conditions of a slave. If a condition is slave-like (1% or 5% or 55% or 75%...), it means that it is really different than that of a slave. Give a slave-like condition its own separate name, if you want, but it is not a slave condition.
A slave is forced to be the property of another person and be under the total control of the owner, but every imposition of force on a free citizen does not necessarily transform that citizen into a slave. For example, forcing a person to pay taxes or go to school or be punished for transgressing laws, be drafted, etc. does not change that person into a slave. Most important of all, there are neither slavery nor slaves, and therefore, no slave-labor in Eritrea. Anybody, European or Eritrean or Etiyopiyan or etc., who claims that slave labor exists in Eritrea has no factual basis. That is the whole point.
Awash wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 11:11YOYO,
This is a well known fact, nothing new.
Eritrea has “second highest number of people living in slave-like conditions”
https://eritrea-focus.org/eritrea-has-s ... onditions/
Re: ሕብረት ኣውሮጳ፡ 'ንኤርትራ ክህቦ ዝሓሰበ ልዕሊ 50 ሚልዮን ዩሮ ስሒብዎ
Zombie,
Are the Agame tyrants you slave for also using equipment bought by Aid money beside slave-labor? "Self-reliance", eh?
Read more from NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/08/worl ... ea-eu.htmlZombie and YOYO:How Forced Labor in Eritrea Is Linked to E.U.-Funded Projects
As it aims to stem the flow of migrants from Africa and bring about change in a dictatorship, the European Union is spending millions on projects built by people in forced conscription.
A wooden boat used by mostly Eritrean migrants, abandoned off the Libyan coast after they were rescued in 2018.Credit...Santi Palacios/Associated Press
By Matina Stevis-Gridneff Jan. 8, 2020
BRUSSELS — The European Union spent 20 million euros last year in Eritrea, hoping to help stem an exodus from the repressive African country, which is consistently one of its biggest sources of asylum seekers.
The money, about $22 million, bought equipment and materials to build a road, a seemingly uncontroversial task. The catch? Many workers on the construction site are forced conscripts, and the European Union has no real means of monitoring the project.
The decision caused outrage in human-rights circles. But that did not stop the bloc in December from deciding to give Eritrea tens of millions more, funding a system of forced conscription that the United Nations has described as “tantamount to enslavement.”..
There is more about slavery in Eritrea. This time, it's the Canadians
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ts-slaveryCanada mining firm accused of slavery abroad can be sued at home, supreme court rules
Case brought by three Eritreans against Nevsun Resources can continue as companies operating overseas face new legal risk
AFP in Ottawa Fri 28 Feb 2020 17.14 EST
A Vancouver-based mining company can be sued in Canada for alleged human rights abuses overseas including allegations of modern slavery, Canada’s supreme court has ruled...
Re: ሕብረት ኣውሮጳ፡ 'ንኤርትራ ክህቦ ዝሓሰበ ልዕሊ 50 ሚልዮን ዩሮ ስሒብዎ
People v. Zombie & YOYO:
Your wishy washy, wobbly wobblu argument denying the existence of slavery in Eritrea is debunked by the preponderance of the evidence.
Case Closed.
Your wishy washy, wobbly wobblu argument denying the existence of slavery in Eritrea is debunked by the preponderance of the evidence.
Case Closed.