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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Zack » 26 Jul 2020, 12:40

On the contrary the Eritrean government supporters are well aware of the situation. They know my position I don't believe armed rebellion at this particular time is the solution. What is needed is some sort of compramise but knowing wedi afom he is man hard to convince. Agazian is a new pipe dream in reality its not going to fly most tegarus don't even believe in it. Take care sereyenman.

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Awash » 26 Jul 2020, 12:53

Zack wrote:
26 Jul 2020, 04:31
Fed-up I am not an Eritrean I never said I was one but I think it's an interesting topic to discuss, it seems to me mesfin hagos is not after power since he is a senior old age now. But he wishes to change things genuinely.

You can disagree with his methods. But I think he truly cares for the country and the people . Change some how must happen.

Awashy isias afewerki isnt all bad he did his best with the limited resources he had.

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Wacky Zacky,,
Everyone knows Issu, the partiotic dictator, is not Eritrean, 100% Ethiopian. He's patriotic Ethiopian. His mother, father hail from tigrai. One of his grandfathers buried in Gonder. Yet, the savage regime has nothing good to offer, except brutality, savagery, underdevelopment, misery, crisis and instability.
Listen to what the Ethiopians know about him.
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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Aurorae » 26 Jul 2020, 13:03

Zack wrote,
What is needed is some sort of compramise but knowing wedi afom he is man hard to convince
When did the last time Isayas compromised ? :lol: :lol: :lol: He pretended to compromise with ELF then he stuck them on the behind. Time and time again, Isayas did it to any credible competition. Ask Osman Sabe, etc,,,,. He always gets his way. During the struggle, he had a lot of assets. Now, twenty nine years after independence, Eritrea finds itself at the bottom. He refused to reform. As long as he is winning, change or reform will not happen. He is very good at what he does. But, he is known to compromise to internal pressures during the struggle. That is perhaps what Mesfin is thinking. TPLF not for the right reasons necessarily , are determined to spend anything to end his rule. Now, Isayas has a problem. He knows once an armed struggle ignites, it can not be controlled. Isayas needs Abiy as Abiy needs Isayas for different reasons. I don't know about Abiy, but Isayas will shoot it out.
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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Zack » 26 Jul 2020, 13:05

That's not true afewerki is from Asmara hamasien. He has a grand mother from tigray we have been through this before awashy. That makes him quarter tigrayan or Ethiopian. Having said that it doesn't really matter even if he was a full blown tigrayan he would be still an Eritrean being in Eritrea for over a century. There were many Eritrean nationalists who had roots in tigray. Its all about loyalty to the land and people and awashy you don't have loyalty to the land and the people.

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Awash » 26 Jul 2020, 13:10

Zack wrote:
26 Jul 2020, 13:05
That's not true afewerki is from Asmara hamasien. He has a grand mother from tigray we have been through this before awashy. That makes him quarter tigrayan or Ethiopian. Having said that it doesn't really matter even if he was a full blown tigrayan he would be still an Eritrean being in Eritrea for over a century. There were many Eritrean nationalists who had roots in tigray. Its all about loyalty to the land and people and awashy you don't have loyalty to the land and the people.

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Wacky Zacky,
The patriotic tyrant is 100% Ethiopian of tigrai origin. He is not Hamassien, but a transplant from Tembien tigrai whose parents come from tigrai. He is patriotic alright, patriotic Ethiopian whose mission is to unite Eritrea with Ethiopia like his grand-uncle atse Yohannes
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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Aurorae » 26 Jul 2020, 13:14

Awash,

I don't believe Isayas gives a hoot whether has any tigrayan heritage. He is Machiavellian. He wants to rule not only Eritrea, but the whole world if it is possible. He is like a psychopath about power. He can convince, he can persuade, he can terrorize, he can shower with a lot of love like no one can. A few individuals came to power with that kind of ability. I think he perhaps is the best except he is the prisoner of a weak and small country. He can not do much with Eritrea. Give him USA or China, then the direction of World History will change. :lol:

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Awash » 26 Jul 2020, 13:30

Wacky Zacky,
Don't tell us Issu is Hamassien like me. He is as Tigrawai as Jamaica.

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by kerenite » 26 Jul 2020, 13:45

tarik wrote:
25 Jul 2020, 19:13
Zack wrote:
25 Jul 2020, 18:54
The man is a veteran loved by his people. But what is his plan start an uprise against the patriotic dictator. Do the people in Asmara have stomach for war. I don't think so an opposition party in Germany. How effective can this be ofcourse it looks good on paper. Reminds of the useless amhara opposition in the US. But how practical can this be. Allot of Eritreans avoid seeing him because they terrified for their families in Asmara. The only way I see for a way out is if a coup happens some how . And the new leader opens up the country and allows elections. But an insurgency is not good for the country.


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Zack, Mesfin hagos was z first person 2 join agame isias afewerki after isias fled from ELF with z fake idea of blaming ELF of trying 2 kill him and ELF is only 4 Muslim Eritreans. Mesfin hagos killed so many educated Eritreans with Agame isias afewerki, He acts as if he hates isias but in reality he still works 4 him and z agame aka agazaian tigray-tigrinya fake agenda invented by UK and CIA 2 separate and rule Eritrea from our Muslim brothers, z Beni-Amirs and beja and more. Mesfin hagos wants 2 save terrorist-tigray-tplf because mesfin hagos and agame isias and tplf all together killed innocent ELF z real ERITREAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY ONLY 4 ERITREANS NOT AGAMES. So now he wants 2 save tplf and isias and save z so called Christian tplf-pfdj party. Mesfin hagos is agazian as well. That's why i will never support him, he got lots of innocent Eritrean bloods on his hand even if he from where i am from HAMMASSIEN. He could be agame who only lived in Eritrea.
Tena yistilign,

Albeit I have reservations concerning tarikom. But I wholeheartedly concur with his analysis.

P. S. I am gradually starting to believe that tarikom is a genuine eritrean. My only problem with him is that he attacks the oromos. Higdef maybe the enemies of oromos but not the 99% eris who are victims of higdef and I presume oromos know that.
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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Awash » 26 Jul 2020, 13:46

Wacky Zacky:
◾4. H.E. Ras Hagos Mirtcha. He was k. in battle with Ras Alula in Shire, 19th January 1897, having had issue,a son: ◾a. Dejazmatch Abraha Hagos. m. 10th July 1896, Woizero Attenesh (b. ca. 1880), eldest daughter of H.H. Ras Mangasha Yohannes, Prince of Tigray. [He may have had issue, four sons: ◾i. H.E. Dejazmatch Solomon Abraha. Governor of Wollo in 1964.
◾ii. Captain Mekkonen Abraha. Cmsnd. Imperial Ethiopian Navy, retd. as Capt. m. (a) a daughter of Dejazmatch Ghebray, educ. Empress Menen Sch., Addis Ababa, by whom he had two children.
◾iii. Ato Hagos Abraha, educ. Tafari Makkonen Sch., Addis Abbaba. Employed with National Bank.
◾iv. Ato Afewerq Abraha. Employed with the Ministry of Land Reform, at Mekele, Tigray. m. Woizero Adanech Berhe, daughter of Woizero Medhin Berad, sister of Fitawrawri Kidane Mesel, from Adowa. He had issue: ◾1a. Ato Amare Afewerki.
◾2a. Ato Isayas Afewerki. b. at Asmara, 2nd February 1946, educ. Addis Ababa Univ., Joined Eritrean People's Liberation Front in 1966, Commissar 1966-1967, Dep. Divisional Cdr. 1967-1969, Co-Founder Eritrean People's Liberation Front (EPLF) 1970, Dep. Gen-Sec. 1977-1978, Sec-Gen. 1978-1994, Presdt. Eritrean People's Front of Democracy and Justice since 1994, Sec-Gen. of the Govt. & C-in-C 1991-1993, Presdt. & C-in-C of Eritrea since 1993. m. Woizero Saba Haile, of Shimezana, Eritrea.
◾3a. Ato Amanuel Afewerq
◾4a. Ato Ermias Afewrq.
◾5a. Ato Yonas Afewerq.
◾1a. Woizero Tsigereda Afewerq.
◾2a. Woizero Arian Afewerki.
http://www.royalark.net/Ethiopia/tigray5.htm
...Family background of the Eritrean tyrant
Isayas' father, Ato Afewerq/ki is from Adi Tanqua-Milash/Tembien and they trace their roots to Agame Awraja of Tigray in Ethiopia.

Isayas's father used to work in Mekele, the capital of Tigray Province. Isayas's father used to work at the Ministry of Land Reform until his retirement. Until he died, those who knew him in Tigray used to identify him as "the man who wears a black suit, a black "cravat"/neck tie and a black hat."

Isayas's Mother Woz. Adanech Berhe is from Adwa in Tigray. This is also the birthplace of the father of Prime Minister Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia.

Isayas's uncles (via his father) are: Dejazmatch Solomon Abraha, Captain Mekonnen Abraha, Ato Hagos Abraha.

Dejazmatch Solomon Abraha (Isayas's uncle) was the Enderassie/Governor of Wollo province in Ethiopia during the reign of Emperor Haileselassie. In 1964 (E.C.), ae Tigray cultural group based in Mekele visited Dessie, the Capital City of Wollo after their tour to Asmara. The Governor of Wollo at the time, Dejazmatch Solomon Abraha, (the Eritrean President's uncle), in a special dinner, organised in their honour expressed his pleasure and gratitude to the Cultural Group for their initiative of popularising the Tigrean folklore music and dances and he told them that he was a Tigrean himself.

Dejazmatch Solomon Abraha revealed to them that his own mother was from Agame Awraja in Beganta-Afeshum Woreda (sub-district) in a village called Qil-a-at" in Tigray, Ethiopia. He also told them that his father was from Tenbien in Tigray.

Navy Captain Mekonnen Abraha was "married" to the daughter of Dejazmatch Ghebray, who was a student at Empress Menen School in Addis Ababa and he is believed to have children from her. Ato Hagos Abraha was a student at Teferi Mekonnen School in Addis Ababa in the mid 1940s. He discontinued his studies due to ill health and later died when he was working at the National Bank in Addis Ababa.

...Isayas's grandmother (on his mother's side) is called Woz. Medhin "Berad" and she is from Adwa in Tigray. She is the sister of Fitawrari Kidane Mesel.

It is also alleged that Fitawrari Kidane is the father of either Ato Kassahun or Ato Yemane Kidane (otherwise known as "Jamaica") of the TPLF/EPRDF ruling group of Ethiopia. If this is true, it implies that Ato "Jamaica" and Isayas Afewerki of Eritrea are in a sense brothers by our Eritrean/Ethiopian definition but a cousin in Western sense
. It is also said that some of the closest people around Isayas Afewerki also have a Tigrean blood. In short, many of those who are fanatic anti-Ethiopia in Asmara are mainly Tigreans/Ethiopians by origin and those who have had strong links and connections with Tigray, in particular, and Ethiopia, in general.

Isayas's aunt (the sister of Isayas's mother) is called Woz. Hana. She is the wife of Ato Belay. Both Woz. Hana and Ato Belay are from Adwa. It is alleged that their children are living in Sweden.

Isayas's uncle (on his mother's side) is married to a woman from Adwa and has a daughter named Woz. Zewdi, who is now said to be living in Germany.

From the above information, the only "Eritreanness" of Isayas Afewerki is that he was born in Eritrean soil and he is married to Woz. Saba Haile of Shimezana of Eritrea.
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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Awash » 26 Jul 2020, 14:18

Wacky Zacky,
Look what the "patriotic" tyrant does to Eritrean fathers, elders, leaders even The Patriarch

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by Awash » 26 Jul 2020, 17:46

Wacky Zacky,
Why do you keep making excuses for the "patriotic" Ethiopian dictator?

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Re: Mesfin hagos what is his plan

Post by eritrea » 26 Jul 2020, 19:18

Zmeselo wrote:
26 Jul 2020, 07:11
Why I am not amused by your sheer stupidity....!!! I really hope you will someday be accountable for your treasons behaviour.

Aurorae wrote:
26 Jul 2020, 13:03
He knows once an armed struggle ignites, it can not be controlled. Isayas needs Abiy as Abiy needs Isayas for different reasons. I don't know about Abiy, but Isayas will shoot it out.
Well, Wedi-Afom has totally lost the trust that he enjoyed for so many years. And he knows that very well, but he has reached to the point that he doesn't care anymore. What matters is now, how to stay in power for what ever cost to the last minute. And, at the end, if staying in power becomes a fact, to leave behind a dynasty seems what he is working on. Everything is about himself. If there is anyone who think differently. He/she needs to check his/her head.

All his flirting with all despised dictators and coup leaders of neighbours countries attest to that fact. In Sudan for example, he did what he can to support the military leadership not to leave power to what the Sudanese people wanted after Dictator Omar Al-bashir was deposed from power. That is why, he is today loved by the military coup leader but despised by the civilian administration.

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