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[OPFist]

Oromummaa the Thesis, Amharanet the Antithesis and Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiyawinet the Synthesis!

Now, it is becoming clear that Oromummaa was the original identity of the major nations (both the habeshanized and the non-habeshanized) in Ethiopia (Great Oromia). That is why Oromummaa can be called the Thesis as far as the identity of Ethiopian people is concerned. Then came new identity around 1270 with emergence of Amharinya as language of the christian kingdom's ruling class. Since that time, Amharanet grew as Anti-thesis to and at the cost of Oromummaa. Oromummaa was losing ground and Amharanet is growing being camouflaged as Ethiopiawinet. That is why, Ethiopiawinet is hitherto considered to be equivalent to Amharanet. Of course, Amhara elites and the Amharanized others (including Dr. Abiy and Co) are trying to keep this status quo with pretext of Ethiopian unity. I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation. Dr. Abiy and his admnistration failed to realize this noble Oromo vision, thus losing Oromo people's support. Surely, the OLF and OFC can take over the responsibility in Caffee Araaraa palace and foster such rainbow Ethiopia led by Oromummaa in the future. Such Ethiopia with multicolor, multilanguage and multiculture Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopyiawinet can be realized and will be the true Synthesis from both Oromummaa and Amharanet as well as other national identities.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2020 ... synthesis/

[Andertan]

Very Boring

[DefendTheTruth]

Very Boring

How can you say something like that to something which has been repeated for over 50 years again and again and now become the norm of life style for some?

If someone has to drop this life style suddenly now, then that someone will get a stroke and die instantly. Should I name who that someone could be?

[YAY]

Dear OPFist: The implication that 40% should dominate over 60% seems to be faulty

Article 5 of the 1995 Etiyopiyan Federal Constitution states all languages do have equal recognition, but AmHarinya is the working language of the Federal Government. This was not determined by the AmHara ethnic group or non-Oromo ruling classes. I don't know the exact reason why the TPLF-led EPRDF revolutionaries made AmHarinya the working language of the Federation, but Oromo ethnic nationalists were among the decision makers. I suspect that they believed that AmHarinya was the best inter-communication language among Etiyopiyans of multiple ethnicity. They didn't do it to favor this or that ethnic group. The core point is that AmHarinya did become the Federal language not by reason of ethnicity statistics, but rather the reality that took over centuries to develop. That means AmHarinya language crossed over the line of becoming exclusively AmHaranet into the level of Etiyopiyawinet.

Regardless of the historical facts, you may have a desire to make Orominya the language of the Federal Government. But what type of justice would be your ground of reasoning for justifying it? Statistical proportion of the population of the Oromo people? The unnamed proponent states,

I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation.

The logic is that because Oromummaa are 40%, then, Afan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation; and PM Abiy has failed to achieve this goal, hence, Abiy & Co. are AmHara-centric. Abiy is for national unity synchronized with autonomy and freedoms of ethnic groups, as far as I can see, and dialogue with Abiy & Co. before fighting against them as enemies. The Oromo ethnic group may have a population numbering 40% of Etiyopiya's population, but it does not amount to the majority of Etiyopiyan population. It would not be acceptable as justice for the Oromo, being 40% and having less than a majority vote, decision to dominate the wishes of the non-Oromo 60% population of Etiyopiyans. The implication of the proponent fails to satisfy proper equality/justice and fairness, and seems to be faulty. It seems that the proponent is demanding the cultural superiority of the Oromo be accepted by all other ethnic groups, and that is not right.

If a decision is to be re-made as to which language(s) ought to be the working language of the Federation, then, a Constitutional amendment(s) may need to be made. If one working language of the Federation is desired, after, or during, a Constitutional amendment, it seems reasonable that a referendum be conducted, involving every Etiyopiyan citizen, and determine which language meets the demand.

Oromummaa the Thesis, Amharanet the Antithesis and Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiyawinet the Synthesis!

Now, it is becoming clear that Oromummaa was the original identity of the major nations (both the habeshanized and the non-habeshanized) in Ethiopia (Great Oromia). That is why Oromummaa can be called the Thesis as far as the identity of Ethiopian people is concerned. Then came new identity around 1270 with emergence of Amharinya as language of the christian kingdom's ruling class. Since that time, Amharanet grew as Anti-thesis to and at the cost of Oromummaa. Oromummaa was losing ground and Amharanet is growing being camouflaged as Ethiopiawinet. That is why, Ethiopiawinet is hitherto considered to be equivalent to Amharanet. Of course, Amhara elites and the Amharanized others (including Dr. Abiy and Co) are trying to keep this status quo with pretext of Ethiopian unity. I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation. Dr. Abiy and his admnistration failed to realize this noble Oromo vision, thus losing Oromo people's support. Surely, the OLF and OFC can take over the responsibility in Caffee Araaraa palace and foster such rainbow Ethiopia led by Oromummaa in the future. Such Ethiopia with multicolor, multilanguage and multiculture Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopyiawinet can be realized and will be the true Synthesis from both Oromummaa and Amharanet as well as other national identities.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... concilable

[pushkin]

An Agame is a symbol of garbage & evil. Using my nickname with a full stop doesn't make you pushkin or you can't cheat on the ER by using "pushkin."

Why are you meddling in Ethiopia's internal matters?

YAY, do you welcome Ethiopians to meddle in Eritrea's internal matters?

Everytime the Topic of the Dictatorship in Eritrea is brought up here, you quickly come to confuse and contort using faulty logic and "arguments" to try to deflect, distract, and delay the discussion on the lack of Democracy and Due Process in Eritrea.

People like you are the reason that Violent Overthrow is the Final Solution to the Problem of Dictatorships like PIA.

Dear OPFist: The implication that 40% should dominate over 60% seems to be faulty

Article 5 of the 1995 Etiyopiyan Federal Constitution states all languages do have equal recognition, but AmHarinya is the working language of the Federal Government. This was not determined by the AmHara ethnic group or non-Oromo ruling classes. I don't know the exact reason why the TPLF-led EPRDF revolutionaries made AmHarinya the working language of the Federation, but Oromo ethnic nationalists were among the decision makers. I suspect that they believed that AmHarinya was the best inter-communication language among Etiyopiyans of multiple ethnicity. They didn't do it to favor this or that ethnic group. The core point is that AmHarinya did become the Federal language not by reason of ethnicity statistics, but rather the reality that took over centuries to develop. That means AmHarinya language crossed over the line of becoming exclusively AmHaranet into the level of Etiyopiyawinet.

Regardless of the historical facts, you may have a desire to make Orominya the language of the Federal Government. But what type of justice would be your ground of reasoning for justifying it? Statistical proportion of the population of the Oromo people? The unnamed proponent states,

I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation.

The logic is that because Oromummaa are 40%, then, Afan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation; and PM Abiy has failed to achieve this goal, hence, Abiy & Co. are AmHara-centric. The Oromo ethnic group may have a population numbering 40% of Etiyopiya's population, but it does not amount to the majority of Etiyopiyan population. It would not be acceptable as justice for the Oromo, being 40% and less than a majority vote, decision to dominate the wishes of the non-Oromo 60% population of Etiyopiyans. The implication of the proponent fails to satisfy proper equality/justice, and seems to be faulty.

If a decision is to be re-made as to which language(s) ought to be the working language of the Federation, then, a Constitutional amendment(s) need to be made. If one working language of the Federation is desire, after a Constitutional amendment, it seems reasonable that a referendum be conducted, involving every Etiyopiyan citizen, and determine which language meets the demand.

Oromummaa the Thesis, Amharanet the Antithesis and Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiyawinet the Synthesis!

Now, it is becoming clear that Oromummaa was the original identity of the major nations (both the habeshanized and the non-habeshanized) in Ethiopia (Great Oromia). That is why Oromummaa can be called the Thesis as far as the identity of Ethiopian people is concerned. Then came new identity around 1270 with emergence of Amharinya as language of the christian kingdom's ruling class. Since that time, Amharanet grew as Anti-thesis to and at the cost of Oromummaa. Oromummaa was losing ground and Amharanet is growing being camouflaged as Ethiopiawinet. That is why, Ethiopiawinet is hitherto considered to be equivalent to Amharanet. Of course, Amhara elites and the Amharanized others (including Dr. Abiy and Co) are trying to keep this status quo with pretext of Ethiopian unity. I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation. Dr. Abiy and his admnistration failed to realize this noble Oromo vision, thus losing Oromo people's support. Surely, the OLF and OFC can take over the responsibility in Caffee Araaraa palace and foster such rainbow Ethiopia led by Oromummaa in the future. Such Ethiopia with multicolor, multilanguage and multiculture Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopyiawinet can be realized and will be the true Synthesis from both Oromummaa and Amharanet as well as other national identities.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... concilable

[Degnet]

Oromummaa the Thesis, Amharanet the Antithesis and Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiyawinet the Synthesis!

Now, it is becoming clear that Oromummaa was the original identity of the major nations (both the habeshanized and the non-habeshanized) in Ethiopia (Great Oromia). That is why Oromummaa can be called the Thesis as far as the identity of Ethiopian people is concerned. Then came new identity around 1270 with emergence of Amharinya as language of the christian kingdom's ruling class. Since that time, Amharanet grew as Anti-thesis to and at the cost of Oromummaa. Oromummaa was losing ground and Amharanet is growing being camouflaged as Ethiopiawinet. That is why, Ethiopiawinet is hitherto considered to be equivalent to Amharanet. Of course, Amhara elites and the Amharanized others (including Dr. Abiy and Co) are trying to keep this status quo with pretext of Ethiopian unity. I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation. Dr. Abiy and his admnistration failed to realize this noble Oromo vision, thus losing Oromo people's support. Surely, the OLF and OFC can take over the responsibility in Caffee Araaraa palace and foster such rainbow Ethiopia led by Oromummaa in the future. Such Ethiopia with multicolor, multilanguage and multiculture Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopyiawinet can be realized and will be the true Synthesis from both Oromummaa and Amharanet as well as other national identities.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... concilable

[AbebeB]

Oromummaa the Thesis, Amharanet the Antithesis and Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiyawinet the Synthesis!

Now, it is becoming clear that Oromummaa was the original identity of the major nations (both the habeshanized and the non-habeshanized) in Ethiopia (Great Oromia). That is why Oromummaa can be called the Thesis as far as the identity of Ethiopian people is concerned. Then came new identity around 1270 with emergence of Amharinya as language of the christian kingdom's ruling class. Since that time, Amharanet grew as Anti-thesis to and at the cost of Oromummaa. Oromummaa was losing ground and Amharanet is growing being camouflaged as Ethiopiawinet. That is why, Ethiopiawinet is hitherto considered to be equivalent to Amharanet. Of course, Amhara elites and the Amharanized others (including Dr. Abiy and Co) are trying to keep this status quo with pretext of Ethiopian unity. I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation. Dr. Abiy and his admnistration failed to realize this noble Oromo vision, thus losing Oromo people's support. Surely, the OLF and OFC can take over the responsibility in Caffee Araaraa palace and foster such rainbow Ethiopia led by Oromummaa in the future. Such Ethiopia with multicolor, multilanguage and multiculture Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopyiawinet can be realized and will be the true Synthesis from both Oromummaa and Amharanet as well as other national identities.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... concilable

OPFist,
let me tip you. Habesha seem to started to desperately search themselves. In fact they told us they got their origin in Levant (today's Lebanon). Recent ZeHabesha.com news reported. Yesterday also, Habtamu Ayalew of Ethio 360 interviewed one habesha monk in a continued search of their origin. The monk was telling us they came to horn of Africa and settled by renaming different localities in Hebrew name.
It is piece of information that they have had in Orthodox Tewahido in order to formulate their failed Semitization effort.

This DNA analysis they present in relation to their search of their identity is the second time I am hearing and reading. But for experts in the area, there are many flawed interpretations in the first published article. Same is likely true in this second case broadcast though I have not yet read published material of it.

እኛ ማነን ሲሉ በEthio360 በኩል የሚጠይቁት ሀበሾች ራሳቸውን ሊባኖስ (Lebanon) ላይ ማግኘታቸውን ሰሞኑን በZeHabesha.com በኩል ነግረውናል፡፡ እኛም ስንነግራቸው የነበረው ያንኑ ነው፡፡

ሀበሾች ማንነታቸውን ለማወቅ ይህን ያህል ከጣሩ፤ ተጨማሪ እንድናስረዳቸው ዲነኤ (DNA) ያቸውን ያጠኑበትን ዘዴ (methodology)፣ የናሙናቸው መጠንና ዓይነት (sample size and type) ተደምረው የሰጣቸውን ዴታ (data) ሲያሳውቁን አተረጓጎሙን (analysis) እናስተካክልላቸዋለን፡፡

[OPFist]

But, it is clear that the conflict between Abyssinian nationalism (pseudo-Ethiopian nationalism/ Habesh identity) and Oromo nationalism (“true-Ethiopian nationalism“/Kush identity) is irreconcilable, which should end with a victory for Oromo nationalism. To assure this victory, there is no other way bypassing unity of Oromo nationalists for our freedom. My wish here is as always to see all of Oromo nationals fighting together against the oppressive Abyssinian elites’ system of domination and their Abyssinian nationalism ideology in order to foster our freedom and independence, be it in a from of an ‘independent Gadaa Oromia’ or an ‘integrative Great Oromia,’ with common flag, which I already suggested: Abbaa-Gadaa’s flag (black-red-white) with Odaa and its golden sunshine in the middle. This newly constructed (mixed) flag can be used as symbol of our unity for freedom, because it is combination of OLF’s Odaa surrounded by golden shine, and Abbaa-Gadaa’s tricolor, the new mix which we can choose as national flag of the future ‘own Oromo state (Gadaa Oromia)’ and/or that of ‘union Oromia state (Great Oromia).’ By getting victory on both Abyssinian nationalists, we can lead Oromummaa to an indispensable victory over the pseudo-Ethiopian nationalism (Habesha identity/Abyssinian nationalism), and then we can conditionally foster, where possible, true-Ethiopian nationalism (Cush identity) – including Oromo nationalism in the future union of free nations as an alternative to an independent Gadaa republic of Oromo state. So, in short, Ethiopian nationalism in a sense of Abyssinian nationalism is irreconcilable with Oromo nationalism, whereas Ethiopian nationalism in a sense of Cushawinet is not only reconcilable, but also same as Oromo nationalism. We just need to distinguish between the two meanings of Ethiopiawinet (Habeshawinet vs Kushawinet). Of course, Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiawinet as the Synthesis from Oromummaa, Amharanet and other national identities is healthy and can be accepted by the Oromo. May Waqaa help us!

[DefendTheTruth]

But, it is clear that the conflict between Abyssinian nationalism (pseudo-Ethiopian nationalism/ Habesh identity) and Oromo nationalism (“true-Ethiopian nationalism“/Kush identity) is irreconcilable, which should end with a victory for Oromo nationalism. To assure this victory, there is no other way bypassing unity of Oromo nationalists for our freedom. My wish here is as always to see all of Oromo nationals fighting together against the oppressive Abyssinian elites’ system of domination and their Abyssinian nationalism ideology in order to foster our freedom and independence, be it in a from of an ‘independent Gadaa Oromia’ or an ‘integrative Great Oromia,’ with common flag, which I already suggested: Abbaa-Gadaa’s flag (black-red-white) with Odaa and its golden sunshine in the middle. This newly constructed (mixed) flag can be used as symbol of our unity for freedom, because it is combination of OLF’s Odaa surrounded by golden shine, and Abbaa-Gadaa’s tricolor, the new mix which we can choose as national flag of the future ‘own Oromo state (Gadaa Oromia)’ and/or that of ‘union Oromia state (Great Oromia).’ By getting victory on both Abyssinian nationalists, we can lead Oromummaa to an indispensable victory over the pseudo-Ethiopian nationalism (Habesha identity/Abyssinian nationalism), and then we can conditionally foster, where possible, true-Ethiopian nationalism (Cush identity) – including Oromo nationalism in the future union of free nations as an alternative to an independent Gadaa republic of Oromo state. So, in short, Ethiopian nationalism in a sense of Abyssinian nationalism is irreconcilable with Oromo nationalism, whereas Ethiopian nationalism in a sense of Cushawinet is not only reconcilable, but also same as Oromo nationalism. We just need to distinguish between the two meanings of Ethiopiawinet (Habeshawinet vs Kushawinet). Of course, Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiawinet as the Synthesis from Oromummaa, Amharanet and other national identities is healthy and can be accepted by the Oromo. May Waqaa help us!

Someone told you that your gibberish is boring (lacking any fresh idea, but repeating the same old and tasteless wld narrative) and I told that someone old habits die hard and now you confirm his and mine assertions.

Do you think that someone may consider you an analyst?

[banebris2013]

Dear OPFist: The implication that 40% should dominate over 60% seems to be faulty

Article 5 of the 1995 Etiyopiyan Federal Constitution states all languages do have equal recognition, but AmHarinya is the working language of the Federal Government. This was not determined by the AmHara ethnic group or non-Oromo ruling classes. I don't know the exact reason why the TPLF-led EPRDF revolutionaries made AmHarinya the working language of the Federation, but Oromo ethnic nationalists were among the decision makers. I suspect that they believed that AmHarinya was the best inter-communication language among Etiyopiyans of multiple ethnicity. They didn't do it to favor this or that ethnic group. The core point is that AmHarinya did become the Federal language not by reason of ethnicity statistics, but rather the reality that took over centuries to develop. That means AmHarinya language crossed over the line of becoming exclusively AmHaranet into the level of Etiyopiyawinet.

Regardless of the historical facts, you may have a desire to make Orominya the language of the Federal Government. But what type of justice would be your ground of reasoning for justifying it? Statistical proportion of the population of the Oromo people? The unnamed proponent states,

I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation.

The logic is that because Oromummaa are 40%, then, Afan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation; and PM Abiy has failed to achieve this goal, hence, Abiy & Co. are AmHara-centric. Abiy is for national unity synchronized with autonomy and freedoms of ethnic groups, as far as I can see, and dialogue with Abiy & Co. before fighting against them as enemies. The Oromo ethnic group may have a population numbering 40% of Etiyopiya's population, but it does not amount to the majority of Etiyopiyan population. It would not be acceptable as justice for the Oromo, being 40% and having less than a majority vote, decision to dominate the wishes of the non-Oromo 60% population of Etiyopiyans. The implication of the proponent fails to satisfy proper equality/justice and fairness, and seems to be faulty. It seems that the proponent is demanding the cultural superiority of the Oromo be accepted by all other ethnic groups, and that is not right.

If a decision is to be re-made as to which language(s) ought to be the working language of the Federation, then, a Constitutional amendment(s) may need to be made. If one working language of the Federation is desired, after, or during, a Constitutional amendment, it seems reasonable that a referendum be conducted, involving every Etiyopiyan citizen, and determine which language meets the demand.

Oromummaa the Thesis, Amharanet the Antithesis and Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopiyawinet the Synthesis!

Now, it is becoming clear that Oromummaa was the original identity of the major nations (both the habeshanized and the non-habeshanized) in Ethiopia (Great Oromia). That is why Oromummaa can be called the Thesis as far as the identity of Ethiopian people is concerned. Then came new identity around 1270 with emergence of Amharinya as language of the christian kingdom's ruling class. Since that time, Amharanet grew as Anti-thesis to and at the cost of Oromummaa. Oromummaa was losing ground and Amharanet is growing being camouflaged as Ethiopiawinet. That is why, Ethiopiawinet is hitherto considered to be equivalent to Amharanet. Of course, Amhara elites and the Amharanized others (including Dr. Abiy and Co) are trying to keep this status quo with pretext of Ethiopian unity. I think this Content of Ethiopiawinet as only Amharanet should change. Ethiopiawinet need to reflect the existing national identities in the country: 40% Oromummaa, 25% Amharanet, 6% Somalummaa, 5% Tegarunet, 4% Sidamummaa... etc. This implies that Afaan Oromo must be the primary working language of the federation. Dr. Abiy and his admnistration failed to realize this noble Oromo vision, thus losing Oromo people's support. Surely, the OLF and OFC can take over the responsibility in Caffee Araaraa palace and foster such rainbow Ethiopia led by Oromummaa in the future. Such Ethiopia with multicolor, multilanguage and multiculture Ethiopiyummaa/Ethiopyiawinet can be realized and will be the true Synthesis from both Oromummaa and Amharanet as well as other national identities.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... concilable

YAY,
I hope the idiots in this forum will learn from you. You put forward a strong counter argument for a well addressed issue. This is a good way to educate each other/learn through respecting each others opinion. Those whose argument starts with insult and ends same way might learn something here, only if they are open to learn.

[tlel]

Present,

About 20 years ago I used to be on forum, I really forgot, Chronicle forum (american?) I am not sure, there was this guy, he maybe real or fake: I even forgot his full name. He said he is Egypt who got converted to Islam from Christian, he was a staunch pro Oromo and anti Ethiopia writing and wooing the Oromo on the forum. His name starts with Mr/Dr. Megalo...... he may still be around online but can't remember. He was insulting Amara and praising the Oromo. We know OLF was trained and promoted in Egypt. We know why. We also know the link they have between Tplf and Egypt. i wonder why is , NILE

[Lakeshore]

As one of our colleagues puts it.



YAY,
I hope the idiots in this forum will learn from you. You put forward a strong counter-argument for a well-addressed issue. This is a good way to educate each other/learn through respecting each other's opinions. Those whose argument starts with insult and ends the same way might learn something here, only if they are open to learning.

Try to be open-minded instead of failing again for 50 years and be ready at 51 years for the last time.