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[Sam Ebalalehu]

You are rewriting history to your liking, Ethoash. The “Golden royal family” did not pack and leave Aratkilo voluntarily as you claimed. They were pushed out of the place. If you remember, the politicians had segregated themselves from the public , and continued to have political compromises between themselves. They wanted to have a new prime minister. The former prime minister chose to resign. Even at that time the Sebhat group did its best to appoint a puppet they control. They failed to do so.
You wonder once they lose power, why they be persecuted for anything. And even you argue — I like your honesty — why not they be allowed to keep the money they stole. For two reasons. One, the money is not theirs. Two, the most important reason is by confiscating the looted money, you send a message to current office holders to keep their hands off the public wealth.
By the way I saw a headline about Seyoum Mesfin arguing there was no money stolen. Like you I did not believe him.

[Ethoash]

You are rewriting history to your liking, Ethoash. The “Golden royal family” did not pack and leave Aratkilo voluntarily as you claimed. They were pushed out of the place. If you remember, the politicians had segregated themselves from the public , and continued to have political compromises between themselves. They wanted to have a new prime minister. The former prime minister chose to resign. Even at that time the Sebhat group did its best to appoint a puppet they control. They failed to do so.
You wonder once they lose power, why they be persecuted for anything. And even you argue — I like your honesty — why not they be allowed to keep the money they stole. For two reasons. One, the money is not theirs. Two, the most important reason is by confiscating the looted money, you send a message to current office holders to keep their hands off the public wealth.
By the way I saw a headline about Seyoum Mesfin arguing there was no money stolen. Like you I did not believe him.

Sam

i consider you one of the intelligent in Er, but if u think like this we going to lose mama Ethiopia ...

let me tell u a truth story Haile Mariam Mengistu fought up to last minute when he was surrounded he make a deal to leave Addis Ababa he lost the whole Ethiopia but Addis Ababa .. had Mengistu refused to leave their would have been blood on the street flowing like river the whole Addis would have been war zone...mind u TPLF AND EPLF Doesnt have to make this deal ... but by making this deal they going to received Addis Ababa without fighting and they dont have to build it from ground they dont have to destroy the city .. so it was good deal for them and it was good deal for mengistu and it was very very and more very good deal for Ethiopian and residence of Addis Ababa ...

my point is u can make deal until the last minute ... Gaddafi and Saddam could have make a deal up to the last minute the deal is over once u r captured ..as long as you r not captured at least something is left for you to fight u can make deal if the other party agree .. if both Gaddafi and Saddam make a deal with the America and if American spare their life///// American would have benefited more why look at them God know how many years now after the death of Saddam and Gaddafi America still dying fighting unending war...American have no art of war.. at least the older Bush was smart he left the Saddam in power ..had his son did the same thing he would not have lose American life...he should not have to put boat on the ground ... Gaddafi was the same thing..

look for Ethiopia having ISISIS AWARKI is the best thing he punish them for us.. they make Eritreans people regret their break away...

even so Qero throw stone if u think the Qero were the one who force them out of power u r mistaken... TPLF ROYAL family was tired they wanted escaped plan ..... after they elected Dr. Abiy they could have reverse it because the army was under them but even top army general willing to retired ..እንደለመደህ አብይ ሽወዳቸውና ጡረታ ገቡ ። እና አብይ ወለታ ቢስ አንዴ ጠራርጎ ካወጣቸው በኋላ ጦሩን አዞረባቸው ካልከኝ ታድያ ለምን ብለህ ነው ለምን ከስልጣን አይወርዱም ትለኛለህ ስልጣንን ለፈንቅል ስጥተው። ፈንቅል እያንጠለጠለ ለአብይ እንዲስጣቸው ነው ወይ። አይተሀል የምልህ ከገባህ ። አንተው ነህ ውጡን የምትወጠውጠው። እኔ የምልህ በጣም ቀላል ነው ። አዋ ስርቀዋል ግጥም አረገው ስርቀዋል ባይስርቁ ኖሮ እንዴት አርገው ነው እንደሉልዕን ቤተስብ መኖር የሚችሉት። አንተ በምትለው እኮ መቀመጫ ነስተሀቸዋል በስላም በቀበሌ ቤት ውስጥ እንዳይኖሩ ስርቀዋል ገድለዋል ዘርፈሀል እያልክ አንገታቸዋን ለካራ እያዘጋቸህላቸው ። ገንዘብ በሚሊዬን ዶላር ባይስርቁ እንዴት አርገው ነው ውጭ አገር የሚኖሩት።

እስቲ አንድ በለኝ መንጌ ገንዘብ ባይኖረው ኖሮ እንዴት ነበር ልጆቹን አሜሪካ የሚያስተምረው ። እንዴት አርጎ ነው የግል ዘበኛ አርጎ በትልቅ ቤት ውስጥ የሚኖረው ። አዎ ዝንባብዬ ገንዘብ ስጠችው ። ወይም አሜሪካ ስጠችው ትለኝ ይሆናል ግን ገንዘብ እንደሚያስፈልገው ነው እየነገርከኝ ያለኸው በሚሊዬን ካልስረቀ ወይ ድርድር ከሌለው ። አሜሪካ ሄዶ ታክሲ ነጂ ነበር የሚሆነው። ከጠየቅኸኝ እኔ መንጌ በክብር ዝምባቡዬ ቢኖር ነው የሚሻለኝ እሱ ሊስትሮ ሆን ማለት የኢትዬዽያ መሪ ሊስትሮ ሆነ ማለት ነው። በዚህ ላይ ታላቅ ወለታ አርጎዋል በመጨረሻው ስዓት ድርድር አርጎ በመፈርጠጡ። ልነካው አልፈልግም። መነካት የለበትም ነው የምልህ።

አንተ ግን ቡዳ ስለሆንክ ገንዘብ ብቻ ላይ ነው የምታተኩረው። ትግሬዎች የስረቁት ገንዘብ ። እንደነሱ መስረቅ ካማረህ ማን ያዘህ ። እንደነሱ ጦር ሜዳ ገብተህ ከአርባ አመት በላይ ታግለህ እድል ከቀናህ ጦርነቱን አሽንፈህ አገር ገዚ ት ሆናለህ ። አገር አሳድገህም በዛም መጠን ቢሊዬን ታካብታለህ።

እስቲ እራስ ህን ጠይቅ ።።እነዚህ ትግሬዎች አገር መምራቱን ተተው በዚህ ስላሳ አመት ቤት እየገነቡ ቢሽጡ ምን ያህል ቢሊዬኖር ይሆኑ ነበር ብለህ ጠይቀህ ታወቃለህ ብዙ ቢሊዬነር አፍርተዋል ። አገርቲንም ለዚህ ደረጃ አብቀተዋል ። ባይስሩ ባይስሩ አባይ ደፍረዋል።

በዚህ ይብቃኝ ከአንተ መከራከር ። ስርቀዋል መያዝ አለባቸው ካልክ ማን ይከለክልሀል ጦርነት ግጠማቸው ። ከአሁን በኋላ ግን አራዳነት ህን ታቆማለህ ለምን ለፈንቅል ስልጣን አይስጡም የሚል መበሻቀጥ። ስልጣን ለፈንቅል ስጥተው እንደጥንችል አንድ በአንድ እየተለቀሙ ከተወስዱ ደግሞ ማንንም አይደለም እራሳቸው ናቸው ጥፋተኞች ።። እፈነቅላለሁ ብላች ሁ ጠቅላላ ኢትዬዽያን እንዳትፈነቅሉዋት ዋ ብያለሁ። አንዴ የእርስ በእርስ ጦርነት ከተነሳ ትግሬ ውስጥ በንሱ ድንበር ያቆማል ብለህ አታስብ ። አዲስ አበባ ለሁለተ ኛ ግዜ ከመጡ። ግን ይህ ነው የሚጠብቕህ።

ጠቅላላ ልገንጠል የሚሉትን ያስገነጥላሉ። ወይም አማራን ብቻ ገንጥለው ኢትዬዽያን በስላም ለሁለተኛ ግዜ ይገዛሉ። አባይ እንደሆን ከአማራ ድንበር ውጭ ነው። አማራ ከነድህነቷ ነበር የምትፈነቀለው። እፈነቅላለው ብለህ እንዳትፈነቀል

[Ethoash]

if u dont have to read the long version here is the short version

if u want TPLF to give up power then u have to give them immunity with their looted money...

very simple u want TPLF give up power to Fenkil very simple then u must agree to give TPLF royal family immunity with looted money...

so i am going to jail them arrest them because it would be a lesson to the next generation then that is your choice .. go head make a war.. but stop saying why TPLF doesnt give power to Fenkil ከዚያ በኋላ እንደበሬ ልታርዳቸው ። ሂድ ሞኝህን ፈልግ። እኔ ደስ የሚለኝ እንደው ካልደፈረስ አይጠራም ብሎ አማራ ጦር ቢከፍትና ሲሽነፉ ማየት ነው የምፈልገው። ከተሽነፉ ደግሞ ልክ እንደኤርትራ ገንጥሎ ማረፍ ነው እነዚህን ጥንቆች። ጦርነት ውስጥ ላይገቡ ላይሳተፉ የድሀውን ልጅ ለመማገድ አሽሼ ገዳሜ ይላሉ እነዚህ ጋለሞታዎች

[Sam Ebalalehu]

In case of Mengistu, two senators from Minnesota came and talked some sense to him. They told him he lost the fight, and his continuing fighting only adds to the misery of Ethiopians. The final outcome , they insisted , was already written . He agreed.
The Mengistu experience is different than that of the TPLF politicians’. One, Mengistu was the only political player. In TPLF case, there are many political players. From the outset, they chose to undermine the Abiy administration. He was not in office even three months , when they called to Mekele politicians on whom they had influence over for a meeting. One of them , Lidetu , implied in his speech Abiy is an opportunist.
They coined a nickname to the prime minister within weeks. That was a psychological warfare. A new prime minister who came from EPDRF , you might believe , would be given support from Fellow EPDRF members. They chose to act differently. Abiy in spite of their disapproval of him tried to be a statesman.
What I am saying is it was not what they did before they returned to Mekele that angers many Ethiopians ; it is what they did after losing power which made mad the great majority of Ethiopians.
It is time for them to face reality. The political drama they are playing is childish. That they are the only one who cares for federalism is a laughable argument.
Abiy did not express his desire to do away with federalism. On the contrary, he believes in it. He wants children to learn in their first language, people to go to a court where a judge speaks their first language , and the killel administration to work in the language the great majority of the inhabitants use.
But those differences, I think , he believes , are our strengths. He believes those differences should not be used to undermine national interest. The TPLF politician , whom
you worship , Meles once said Kinjit cannot have a meeting in Nazret because Nazret is part of Oromia. That is a sad statement even if it is spoken by an average Joe let alone by the Prime Minister of Ethiopia. Meles was implying in that statement Kinjit is an Amhara party. It is my belief Ethiopians will never hear such type of a statement from the current Prime Minister.

[Sam Ebalalehu]

In case of Mengistu, two senators from Minnesota came and talked some sense to him. They told him he lost the fight, and his continuing fighting only adds to the misery of Ethiopians. The final outcome , they insisted , was already written . He agreed.
The Mengistu experience is different than that of the TPLF politicians’. One, Mengistu was the only political player. In TPLF case, there are many political players. From the outset, they chose to undermine the Abiy administration. He was not in office even three months , when they called to Mekele politicians on whom they had influence over for a meeting. One of them , Lidetu , implied in his speech Abiy is an opportunist.
They coined a nickname to the prime minister within weeks. That was a psychological warfare. A new prime minister who came from EPDRF , you might believe , would be given support from Fellow EPDRF members. They chose to act differently. Abiy in spite of their disapproval of him tried to be a statesman.
What I am saying is it was not what they did before they returned to Mekele that angers many Ethiopians ; it is what they did after losing power which made mad the great majority of Ethiopians.
It is time for them to face reality. The political drama they are playing is childish. That they are the only one who cares for federalism is a laughable argument.
Abiy did not express his desire to do away with federalism. On the contrary, he believes in it. He wants children to learn in their first language, people to go to a court where a judge speaks their first language , and the killel administration to work in the language the great majority of the inhabitants use.
But those differences, I think , he believes , are our strengths. He believes those differences should not be used to undermine national interest. The TPLF politician , whom
you worship , Meles once said Kinjit cannot have a meeting in Nazret because Nazret is part of Oromia. That is a sad statement even if it is spoken by an average Joe let alone by the Prime Minister of Ethiopia. Meles was implying in that statement Kinjit is an Amhara party. It is my belief Ethiopians will never hear such type of a statement from the current Prime Minister.

[Ethoash]

Sam Ebalalehu

i give u the last say...it was very good discussion ..

i wish everyone discuss like this

[Sadacha Macca]

Dear Eden and Sadacha Macca: Focus on the trending development, not on what TPLF claims

Hi Eden, if you believe that the Tigraiy Fenqil Movement is "organic" and a justified movement against the TPLF, please take it as it is. That is the real trending development in Tigraiy. The alleged support of Prosperity Party or ShaEbiyya (which you have yet to prove) cannot change the true nature of the Tigraiy Fenqil Movement. Others could be supportive/hindrance to the Movement, but would not alter its objectives (which are openly stated) of peacefully removing TPLF from power in Tigraiy, and primarily by Tigraiyans. The vector of this trend would depend on the integrated effect of many variables, but mainly on how TPLF reacts to the new Movement. If the Tigraiy Fenqil Movement is "organic" (with legitimate popular grievances, as you claim it is), then, the success of TPLF propaganda trying to mis-characterize that Movement would be short-lived. Hence, it shall not be that much of a worry.

Hi Sadacha Macca: interests and strengths are fundamental considerations in public affairs. You seem to feel nervous and unsettled with PM Abiy Ahmed Ali's intentions. You also seem to be uncomfortable with the Abiy reforms, fearful that "the old unitary system will ... return", very similar to what the TPLF leaders and supporters claim. I am curious why you are concerned of a reversal to "the old unitary system"? I do not see Abiy advocating for a unitary national State/government, but for a Federal State/Government. As far as I can tell, he, however, wants his political party---the Prosperity Party (whose members are recruited from any/every ethnicity) to be organized nationwide, instead of being limited to one or more ethnic kellils. The Federal State/Government shall remain as it currently is, and the Prosperity Party intends to make its members ready to compete for any political office in all kellil and local elections. Every kellil, district, town or city would be governed by officials elected by their own electors. I don't see how the Prosperity Party could remove elected officials and appoint/impose office holders of its choice instead (of course, unless the Constitution offers the Federal Government special powers in special circumstances). Please review the following set of differences between a Unitary State and a Federal State, and explain.

Unitary State

In a unitary state, the central or national government has complete authority over all other political divisions or administrative units. For example, the Republic of France is a unitary state in which the French national government in Paris has total authority over several provinces, known as departments, which are the subordinate administrative components of the nation-state. The local governments of a unitary state carry out the directives of the central government, but they do not act independently.

The federal system of political organization is the exact opposite of the unitary state. For example, in contrast to the unitary state of France, Germany is a federal republic, which means that the national or federal government in Berlin shares political authority with the governments of several Lander, or political units within the nation-state. However,as in all federal states, including Australia, India, and the United States of America, the central or national government of Germany is supreme within the sphere of authority granted to it through the constitution.

Unitary states, like federal states, can be constitutional democracies or unfree non-democracies. Both the unitary Republic of France and the Federal Republic of Germany, for example, are constitutional democracies, but the unitary states of Algeria, Libya, and Swaziland are unfree non-democracies. The Republic of Sudan is an example of an unfree and non-democratic federal state.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glos ... ary-state/

This is my objective comment:

Every player here, be it the PP, or Shabia, will pursue their interests, even if it's to the detriment of others.
I.E. If it hurts the Oromo nationalists, or tigrayans, or the sidama nationalists, by chance, oh well, because ''our'' [shabia's and PP's] interests come first.
same way how shabia didn't hesitate to fight side by side with the tplf/eprdf against the OLF in the 1990's.

So, it's upon everyone, to pursue their interests, and the strongest will win.
Interests at times change, and so do alliances. Time shall tell, who emerges victorious.
I promise you all this though... the old unitary system will never return, unless somehow, they wipe all 40 million of us oromos out... and i am sure the somalis and others feel the same way....

As an Eritrean, I expect you to pursue your government's interests, even if it's once again as in the 1990's, against the interests of Oromos and others in the ethiopian empire.
I do not expect you to sympathize with oromo aspirations, or even, comprehend them, to be honest.
reforms? oromos are still being massacred, as if not much has changed, substitution a mostly tigrayan-elitist dictatorship, for an oro-mara elitist dictatorship, is not progress to objective minded people sir....
oromos are still killed daily... by the same army that tplf played a big role in making...

As far as the unitary claim goes, one need not look further than the close allies of the pm, to see that. show me who your friends are, and i'll show you.. who YOU ARE... i.e. berhanu nega and g7 believe in dismantling federalism, and the overly ambitious agame dictator isayas also spoke out against it AS IF HE WERE ETHIOPIAN AND HIS OPINION MATTER....!!