Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy
Posted: 23 Feb 2025, 02:21
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adwan agame , you forgot to mention how the original banda yohannes iv not only betrayed emperor tewodros ii but also actively helped the british which gave him weapons. bandanet started in cursed agame land. menelik just beat you playing your own game you started
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(See "Red Tears," page 74)Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
Axumezana wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 15:54Zemeslo,
You forgot there was no land called Eritrea but it was under Tigray on all Pre-Adwa wars! So you must Rephrase it " Tigrayans were the coast guards of the mainland ...."
[Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.]
There was the alliance of convenience lasting for nearly 13 years, from which the Tigrayans as junior partners benefited enormously from the EPLF’s expertise in military warfare and stockpiles of armaments. Under the guidance and tutelage of the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, the TPLF went from a gang that couldn’t shoot straight to being a respectable rebel force. It’s a well-known fact, that EPLF tanks manned by Eritrean commanders escorted the TPLF forces all the way to Menelik Palace. TPLF’s knowledge of Ethiopia was very limited.Twisted like the heart of a Tigrayan.
So quoting what foreigners wrote is from god and is the truth and we should all accept what he wrote. Haha. This is why the war against each other will continue every time you read foreigner wrote as if it is bible ( even bible is edited by same foreigners!) shame on you. Alula is a hero and never had issue with Menilik. Too lazy to find your own history but ready to pound on othersZmeselo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 15:21Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)
Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.
And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.
At one point, Alula cleverly invited
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)
Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
(See "Red Tears," page 74)Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
Welcome to the era of AI, you can fabricate stories just as if it is real!Zmeselo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 16:45The Kingdom of Medri Bahri (Africa's first democracy was in Eritrea)
Medri Bahri: Africa's first democracy
Medri Bahri (Land of the Sea) was an independent Eritrean kingdom between 1137–1890. Its capital was in Debarwa. What made this kingdom so unique was that the people of Medri Bahri had a sophisticated political process in which they elected their kings to power. Once elected, the king was bestowed the title of Bahri Negasi (Sea King). Every village and town in Medri Bahri elected their own king, with the king in Debarwa being the king of kings. To prevent a monarchy, the immediate families of the elected kings in Debarwa were prohibited from being future kings. Moreover, to prevent abuse of power, the king's powers were limited by the laws of the land - making Medri Bahri the first republic kingdom in Africa.
1776 French map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in purple)
1683 Portuguese map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in yellow)
1570 Portuguese map (written as 'Barnagasso', Latinized for Bahri Negasi)
Medri Bahri's Borders:
The Sea Kings of Medri Bahri claimed their western & eastern borders stretched from Suakin (Eastern Sudan) to the Gates of Tears (near Djibouti). To its north, the kingdom was bounded by the Red Sea & to its south, by the Mereb & Setit (Tekeze) rivers.
Allies & foes:
Medri Bahri's closest ally was the Funj kingdom in the Sudan. Its enemies included the Tigray & Begemedir kingdoms; whom collectively were referred to by the 16th-century Portuguese geographic term of 'Abyssinia'. The locals did not use this word. The Ottomans were also a foe.
ethiopianunity wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 17:04So quoting what foreigners wrote is from god and is the truth and we should all accept what he wrote. Haha. This is why the war against each other will continue every time you read foreigner wrote as if it is bible ( even bible is edited by same foreigners!) shame on you. Alula is a hero and never had issue with Menilik. Too lazy to find your own history but ready to pound on othersZmeselo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 15:21Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)
Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.
And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.
At one point, Alula cleverly invited
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)
Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
(See "Red Tears," page 74)Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
I repeat, fabrication, fabrication, fabrication in order to create with the current generation war amongst each other in nut shellZmeselo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 17:16![]()
Silly boy- these books by Haggai Erlich, Anthony Mockler, Roy Pateman etc have been out for decades and no Ethiopian scholar has dared debunk them with the knowledge the spanking will be hard.
We know our history. The reason I decided to quote them, is for the precise reason I outlined above.
Where are your scholars?
ethiopianunity wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 17:04So quoting what foreigners wrote is from god and is the truth and we should all accept what he wrote. Haha. This is why the war against each other will continue every time you read foreigner wrote as if it is bible ( even bible is edited by same foreigners!) shame on you. Alula is a hero and never had issue with Menilik. Too lazy to find your own history but ready to pound on othersZmeselo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 15:21Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)
Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.
And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.
At one point, Alula cleverly invited
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)
Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
(See "Red Tears," page 74)Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
ethiopianunity wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 17:12Welcome to the era of AI, you can fabricate stories just as if it is real!Zmeselo wrote: ↑23 Feb 2025, 16:45The Kingdom of Medri Bahri (Africa's first democracy was in Eritrea)
Medri Bahri: Africa's first democracy
Medri Bahri (Land of the Sea) was an independent Eritrean kingdom between 1137–1890. Its capital was in Debarwa. What made this kingdom so unique was that the people of Medri Bahri had a sophisticated political process in which they elected their kings to power. Once elected, the king was bestowed the title of Bahri Negasi (Sea King). Every village and town in Medri Bahri elected their own king, with the king in Debarwa being the king of kings. To prevent a monarchy, the immediate families of the elected kings in Debarwa were prohibited from being future kings. Moreover, to prevent abuse of power, the king's powers were limited by the laws of the land - making Medri Bahri the first republic kingdom in Africa.
1776 French map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in purple)
1683 Portuguese map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in yellow)
1570 Portuguese map (written as 'Barnagasso', Latinized for Bahri Negasi)
Medri Bahri's Borders:
The Sea Kings of Medri Bahri claimed their western & eastern borders stretched from Suakin (Eastern Sudan) to the Gates of Tears (near Djibouti). To its north, the kingdom was bounded by the Red Sea & to its south, by the Mereb & Setit (Tekeze) rivers.
Allies & foes:
Medri Bahri's closest ally was the Funj kingdom in the Sudan. Its enemies included the Tigray & Begemedir kingdoms; whom collectively were referred to by the 16th-century Portuguese geographic term of 'Abyssinia'. The locals did not use this word. The Ottomans were also a foe.