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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Agazi General » 23 Feb 2025, 02:32

Brazer MENELIK DID WAT WAS BEST 4 Z.REST.OF ETHIOPIA.
HIS ARMY ALREADY DEPLETED OUR AGAZIAN TEGARU FOOD SUPPLIES DURING Z ADWA WAR AND DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLIES TO FITE MORE ESPECIALLY WITHIN MEREB MILLASH ERITREA.


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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by @@ » 23 Feb 2025, 13:15

Axumezana wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 11:47
Did you read my post?
adwan agame , you forgot to mention how the original banda yohannes iv not only betrayed emperor tewodros ii but also actively helped the british which gave him weapons. bandanet started in cursed agame land. menelik just beat you playing your own game you started :lol:

it's always the same. agames start a evil game thinking that would help them but always end up being beaten in their own game.

1. woyane started the divisive ethnic hate game hopping ethiopians will destroy each other while agames seat idle enjoying prosperity and peace. but it backfired and the wicked game agames started came right into the heart of agame land and destroyed agames :lol:

2. agames thought they can steal eritrean and gondar lands and enjoy life. again, their evil game bite them in their a$$. they not only lost those areas but also afar they used to have under tigray.

tigray is the source of endless evil games which always ends up blowing up in its face :lol:

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Feb 2025, 15:12

Axumezana,

I know why you bring certain subjects to see who would support or do not support your views. Guess what you must be cheering, your buddy Brit is back again after Bob Geldof was welcomed in the name of “ development” he ended up owning land and businesses under Tplf.

To reply what you say, guess what , is it any wander why Menilik had issues in that region? The enemy within Bandas! You know foreigners, esp Brit learned that the enemy within is more effective to destroy a country without Brit involved, so they created Leyu army for every region and said now every region can fight each other. The civil war they expected to start is taking too long and now they decided to come and be referee to start the civil war.

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 15:21

Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.


And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,

And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)


Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.

At one point, Alula cleverly invited

the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)

The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)

Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
(See "Red Tears," page 74)


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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Axumezana » 23 Feb 2025, 15:54

Zemeslo,
You forgot there was no land called Eritrea but it was under Tigray on all Pre-Adwa wars! So you must Rephrase it " Tigrayans were the coast guards of the mainland ...."

[Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.]

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 16:28

Really?

Ask your forefathers why they called it, Mereb Mlash. Their periodic incursions and looting, doesn't make it theirs.

We had our own enda-ba rules, totally alien to your feudalistic dictatorship. The same with the lowland people of Medri Bahri!


Axumezana wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 15:54
Zemeslo,
You forgot there was no land called Eritrea but it was under Tigray on all Pre-Adwa wars! So you must Rephrase it " Tigrayans were the coast guards of the mainland ...."

[Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.]

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 16:45

The Kingdom of Medri Bahri (Africa's first democracy was in Eritrea)

Medri Bahri: Africa's first democracy


Medri Bahri (Land of the Sea) was an independent Eritrean kingdom between 1137–1890. Its capital was in Debarwa. What made this kingdom so unique was that the people of Medri Bahri had a sophisticated political process in which they elected their kings to power. Once elected, the king was bestowed the title of Bahri Negasi (Sea King). Every village and town in Medri Bahri elected their own king, with the king in Debarwa being the king of kings. To prevent a monarchy, the immediate families of the elected kings in Debarwa were prohibited from being future kings. Moreover, to prevent abuse of power, the king's powers were limited by the laws of the land - making Medri Bahri the first republic kingdom in Africa.


1776 French map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in purple)


1683 Portuguese map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in yellow)


1570 Portuguese map (written as 'Barnagasso', Latinized for Bahri Negasi)

Medri Bahri's Borders:

The Sea Kings of Medri Bahri claimed their western & eastern borders stretched from Suakin (Eastern Sudan) to the Gates of Tears (near Djibouti). To its north, the kingdom was bounded by the Red Sea & to its south, by the Mereb & Setit (Tekeze) rivers.

Allies & foes:

Medri Bahri's closest ally was the Funj kingdom in the Sudan. Its enemies included the Tigray & Begemedir kingdoms; whom collectively were referred to by the 16th-century Portuguese geographic term of 'Abyssinia'. The locals did not use this word. The Ottomans were also a foe.


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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 16:57

Tigray’s Subversive History Against Eritrea


Real life painting of a village in Medri Bahri (modern day Eritrea) by the English Egyptologist, Henry Salt, who visited the kingdom in 1805. Since the 14th century, Medri Bahri was forced into a perpetual war with its expansionist neighbor, Tigray kingdom; and its ally, the Begemedir kingdom (modern day Gondar region in Ethiopia)

By Bereket Kidane

The deep hostility, resentment and envy we see from present day Tigray and its representative, TPLF, toward Eritrea goes back centuries to the time when Eritrea was formerly known as “Medri Bahri.” Our forefathers felt that neighboring Tigray could never be trusted and that Tigrayans were generally treacherous, shifty and untrustworthy. Hence, the term “Libi Tigray” or
Twisted like the heart of a Tigrayan.
There was the alliance of convenience lasting for nearly 13 years, from which the Tigrayans as junior partners benefited enormously from the EPLF’s expertise in military warfare and stockpiles of armaments. Under the guidance and tutelage of the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, the TPLF went from a gang that couldn’t shoot straight to being a respectable rebel force. It’s a well-known fact, that EPLF tanks manned by Eritrean commanders escorted the TPLF forces all the way to Menelik Palace. TPLF’s knowledge of Ethiopia was very limited.

But true to its untrustworthy nature, it wasn’t long before Tigray stuck the knife in Eritrea’s back.

Who could forget TPLF’s naked invasion of Eritrea under the pretext of a “border war” and the brutality with which it treated Eritreans living in Ethiopia? They were separated from their spouses and children in order to inflict maximum psychological pain and ensure that the families they left behind become destitute and end up on the streets after the loss of their bread winners. They were then made to cross the border into Eritrea by walking through landmines. Some 19,000 young Eritreans from the Warsay generation later died in defense of Eritrea’s sovereignty.

During the fight for Eritrea’s independence, tens of thousands of Tigrayans were settled in Eritrea by the Ethiopian Army and became informers and guides for the Dergue, penetrating Eritrean societies and liberation movement networks because of their familiarity with the Tigrigna language and local customs. Some Tigrayans even saw it as their chance to overcome their inferiority complex and were particularly brutal toward Eritrean civilians as spies and security officers for the Dergue.

If we go back further back in time to the days when Eritrea was a separate entity known as Medri Bahri, the first thing that the Tigrayan leader Yohannes did after he was rewarded with modern weaponry by the British for his collaboration with the British Colonial forces was wage an expansionist war on Eritrea, which was then an independent entity known as Medri Bahri with its own ruler Bahri Negassi. He ended up pillaging Eritrean villages and stole thousands of sheep, goat and cattle. True to their heritage and kleptomaniac ways, Weyane leaders did the same exact same thing during their 1998-2000 naked invasion of Eritrea, plundering villages and destroying martyrs cemeteries.

Although Neighboring Tigray has had a subversive history against Eritrea throughout much of its history, its worst behavior has been under Weyane’s rule, who has vowed to turn Eritrea into Somalia and has spent tens of millions of dollars to that end trying to sow discord and divisiveness among the Eritrean society much as it has done to Ethiopia through its divide-and-conquer ethnic federalism or bantustanization.

Neighboring Tigray’s past treachery and back-stabbing ways, has left a lasting imprint on the Eritrean psyche.

Eritreans forget their history at their own peril.

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Feb 2025, 17:04

Zmeselo wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 15:21
Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.


And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,

And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)


Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.

At one point, Alula cleverly invited

the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)

The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)

Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
(See "Red Tears," page 74)
So quoting what foreigners wrote is from god and is the truth and we should all accept what he wrote. Haha. This is why the war against each other will continue every time you read foreigner wrote as if it is bible ( even bible is edited by same foreigners!) shame on you. Alula is a hero and never had issue with Menilik. Too lazy to find your own history but ready to pound on others

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Axumezana » 23 Feb 2025, 17:06

Zemselo

Colonial syndrome ( which Axumezana call ascari syndrome ) is the root cause for the hate on the great Tigray people!

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Feb 2025, 17:12

Zmeselo wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 16:45
The Kingdom of Medri Bahri (Africa's first democracy was in Eritrea)

Medri Bahri: Africa's first democracy


Medri Bahri (Land of the Sea) was an independent Eritrean kingdom between 1137–1890. Its capital was in Debarwa. What made this kingdom so unique was that the people of Medri Bahri had a sophisticated political process in which they elected their kings to power. Once elected, the king was bestowed the title of Bahri Negasi (Sea King). Every village and town in Medri Bahri elected their own king, with the king in Debarwa being the king of kings. To prevent a monarchy, the immediate families of the elected kings in Debarwa were prohibited from being future kings. Moreover, to prevent abuse of power, the king's powers were limited by the laws of the land - making Medri Bahri the first republic kingdom in Africa.


1776 French map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in purple)


1683 Portuguese map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in yellow)


1570 Portuguese map (written as 'Barnagasso', Latinized for Bahri Negasi)

Medri Bahri's Borders:

The Sea Kings of Medri Bahri claimed their western & eastern borders stretched from Suakin (Eastern Sudan) to the Gates of Tears (near Djibouti). To its north, the kingdom was bounded by the Red Sea & to its south, by the Mereb & Setit (Tekeze) rivers.

Allies & foes:

Medri Bahri's closest ally was the Funj kingdom in the Sudan. Its enemies included the Tigray & Begemedir kingdoms; whom collectively were referred to by the 16th-century Portuguese geographic term of 'Abyssinia'. The locals did not use this word. The Ottomans were also a foe.
Welcome to the era of AI, you can fabricate stories just as if it is real!

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 17:16

:lol:

Silly boy- these books by Haggai Erlich, Anthony Mockler, Roy Pateman etc have been out for decades and no Ethiopian scholar has dared debunk them with the knowledge the spanking will be hard.

We know our history. The reason I decided to quote them, is for the precise reason I outlined above.

Where are your scholars?


ethiopianunity wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 17:04
Zmeselo wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 15:21
Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.


And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,

And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)


Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.

At one point, Alula cleverly invited

the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)

The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)

Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
(See "Red Tears," page 74)
So quoting what foreigners wrote is from god and is the truth and we should all accept what he wrote. Haha. This is why the war against each other will continue every time you read foreigner wrote as if it is bible ( even bible is edited by same foreigners!) shame on you. Alula is a hero and never had issue with Menilik. Too lazy to find your own history but ready to pound on others

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 17:20

Inferiority complex, which the qodarat listro ugume suffer from!



Axumezana wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 17:06
Zemselo

Colonial syndrome ( which Axumezana call ascari syndrome ) is the root cause for the hate on the great Tigray people!

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Feb 2025, 17:24

Zmeselo wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 17:16
:lol:

Silly boy- these books by Haggai Erlich, Anthony Mockler, Roy Pateman etc have been out for decades and no Ethiopian scholar has dared debunk them with the knowledge the spanking will be hard.

We know our history. The reason I decided to quote them, is for the precise reason I outlined above.

Where are your scholars?


ethiopianunity wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 17:04
Zmeselo wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 15:21
Emperor Yohannes, signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. (For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Ras Alula:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.


And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,

And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)


Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula honchos with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs, Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega, and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands. By the 1890s even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism, like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area, were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray from ending up under the grip of Menelik.

At one point, Alula cleverly invited

the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)

The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene, the Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha and sent him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share as few rifles with him. The help never ever came. (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52)

Dawit Wolde Giorgis said,
Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
(See "Red Tears," page 74)
So quoting what foreigners wrote is from god and is the truth and we should all accept what he wrote. Haha. This is why the war against each other will continue every time you read foreigner wrote as if it is bible ( even bible is edited by same foreigners!) shame on you. Alula is a hero and never had issue with Menilik. Too lazy to find your own history but ready to pound on others
I repeat, fabrication, fabrication, fabrication in order to create with the current generation war amongst each other in nut shell

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Feb 2025, 17:25

Shhhh...he quiet and learn!



ethiopianunity wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 17:12
Zmeselo wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 16:45
The Kingdom of Medri Bahri (Africa's first democracy was in Eritrea)

Medri Bahri: Africa's first democracy


Medri Bahri (Land of the Sea) was an independent Eritrean kingdom between 1137–1890. Its capital was in Debarwa. What made this kingdom so unique was that the people of Medri Bahri had a sophisticated political process in which they elected their kings to power. Once elected, the king was bestowed the title of Bahri Negasi (Sea King). Every village and town in Medri Bahri elected their own king, with the king in Debarwa being the king of kings. To prevent a monarchy, the immediate families of the elected kings in Debarwa were prohibited from being future kings. Moreover, to prevent abuse of power, the king's powers were limited by the laws of the land - making Medri Bahri the first republic kingdom in Africa.


1776 French map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in purple)


1683 Portuguese map (written as 'Midra Bahr' & colored in yellow)


1570 Portuguese map (written as 'Barnagasso', Latinized for Bahri Negasi)

Medri Bahri's Borders:

The Sea Kings of Medri Bahri claimed their western & eastern borders stretched from Suakin (Eastern Sudan) to the Gates of Tears (near Djibouti). To its north, the kingdom was bounded by the Red Sea & to its south, by the Mereb & Setit (Tekeze) rivers.

Allies & foes:

Medri Bahri's closest ally was the Funj kingdom in the Sudan. Its enemies included the Tigray & Begemedir kingdoms; whom collectively were referred to by the 16th-century Portuguese geographic term of 'Abyssinia'. The locals did not use this word. The Ottomans were also a foe.
Welcome to the era of AI, you can fabricate stories just as if it is real!

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Re: Pre Adawa wars between Ethiopia & Italy & the neutrality agreement between "Super Banda" Menelik & Italy

Post by ethiopianunity » 23 Feb 2025, 17:30

The era of true writing doing real research is over since the era if internet, especially easy photoshop and video

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