The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 00:55
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Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:08
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:13
Gurages' adma betagn horus is too stupid, he is proud of this 
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:18
Brother Horus is of course proud of Abiy Ahmed's competency
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:21
devaluation is still fixed exchange regime where the Central Bank sets the rate.
Floating is huge change. It’s so huge there is no black market anymore.
Floating is huge change. It’s so huge there is no black market anymore.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:26
What is the effect of floating exchange system = same effect! Of course, there is one partly true perspective; that is, due to the black market $1 = $117+/- rate, some markets have always been on floating system. But, that a very small segment of the population. For millions of fixed income workers and poor people, the official fall of the Birr vs, the dollar will reduce the net worth of millions by 1/2 thereby reducing the buying power of folks by half. In any case, probably 70 to 80% of our economic activity is an informal economy and no one knows the exact effect of the Birr devaluation. Some of the inflation in the economy was artificial and perhaps the weak Birr might might create lower demand among the population thereby creating lower prices. We shall see,
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Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:35
Saving this to show you in a few months how wrong your judgment isHorus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:26What is the effect of floating exchange system = same effect! Of course, there is one partly true perspective; that is, due to the black market $1 = $117+/- rate, some markets have always been on floating system. But, that a very small segment of the population. For millions of fixed income workers and poor people, the official fall of the Birr vs, the dollar will reduce the net worth of millions by 1/2 thereby reducing the buying power of folks by half. In any case, probably 70 to 80% of our economic activity is an informal economy and no one knows the exact effect of the Birr devaluation. Some of the inflation in the economy was artificial and perhaps the weak Birr might might create lower demand among the population thereby creating lower prices. We shall see,
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Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 01:49
አንቺ ቱስ ቱስ ለመሆኑ ምን እንዳልኩኝ ከብቶሃል? እስቲ ያልኩት ገብቶህ ከሆነ በራስህ ቃላት ግለጸው? What do you know about open market monetary policy and the law money supply, interest rates etc...??? Tus tusMisraq wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:35Saving this to show you in a few months how wrong your judgment isHorus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:26What is the effect of floating exchange system = same effect! Of course, there is one partly true perspective; that is, due to the black market $1 = $117+/- rate, some markets have always been on floating system. But, that a very small segment of the population. For millions of fixed income workers and poor people, the official fall of the Birr vs, the dollar will reduce the net worth of millions by 1/2 thereby reducing the buying power of folks by half. In any case, probably 70 to 80% of our economic activity is an informal economy and no one knows the exact effect of the Birr devaluation. Some of the inflation in the economy was artificial and perhaps the weak Birr might might create lower demand among the population thereby creating lower prices. We shall see,
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 08:37
ዓብዮትን የሚያምን ካድሬ ብቻ ነው። ሆረስ ደግሞ ጠንቋይ ካድሬ ነው።
እየተሽቀዳደመ በተደጋጋሚ ለዓመታት የተነበያቸው ነገሮች ሁሉ የተወላገዱ ናቸው። በቃላት አሽሞንሙና ቀባብቶ ለማጭበርበር ከመሞከር በስተቀር አንደኛውም ጥንቆላው ውኃ አይቋጥርም። ጠንቋይ ጋ መሄድ የሚያዘወትር ወይንም የወደፊቱ አልጋ በአልጋ እንደሚሆን እየናፈቀ የሚጃጃል ሰው ደግሞ ፣ ውስጡ ዛሬ ባሉት ሁኔታዎች የተቃወሰ ግን እያስመሰለ የሚኖር በሽተኛ ነው።
ስለዚህ ሆረስ መስመሩን የሳተ ዛሬ ሺቲ ላይፍ (sh!tty life) ውስጥ የሚኖር ዘባራቂ ጠንቋይ ነው ብዬ እገምታለሁ። ምን እገምታለሁ ብቻ አረጋግጣለሁም እንጂ - ዲሞክራቶች ሁለቱንም ቻምበር ይቆጣጠሩታል፣ ፕሬዘዳንት ሳህለ ወርቅ በሊሞዚን ነው የሄደችው፣ አቶ ዓብዮት ከውሽማው የወለዳት ልጅ አለችው፣ አፍሪካዊው አታቱርክ፣ ጉራጌ ክልል ይሆናል፣ ብርሃኑ የኢትዮጵያን የትምህርት ስታንዳርድ ወደ 21ኛው ክፍለ ዘመን ያሸጋግረዋል፣ ፋኖ ብቸኛው የኢትዮጽያ መከላከያ ሰራዊት ይሆናል፣ ወዘተ -
ዛሬ ደግሞ ዲቫልዌሽን ምንም የኑሮ ለውጥ አያመጣም እያለ እንደ ዕራፊ ጨርቅ ይቀደዳል። ዕውነቱ ግን ይኼ ነው - አሁን ያለው 30% የዋጋ ግሽበት፣ በምንዛሪው ማስተካከያ፣ በመንግስት ሙሰኝነትና ሌብነትና በጦርነቱ ምክንያት የባሰ ዕጥፍ ድርብ ይጨምራል፤ ማለትም የአገልግሎት፣ የምግብ፣ የሸቀጮችና የቋሚ ንብረቶች አሁን ካለበት ደረጃ በጣም ይንራል ማለት ነው። የሰዎች ገቢ ግን ምንም ፈቀቅ አይልም ወይንም በተመጣጣኝ አይሻሻልም።
ናይጄሪያ በአይ ኤም ኤፍ ጫና፣ የውጪ ምንዛሪዋን ከጥቁር ገበያው ጋር ከአስተካከለች በኋላ የዋጋ ግሽበት ጣሪያ ነካባቸው፣ በዚህም የተነሳ ዛሬ ህዝቡ የደም ዕንባ ያለቅሳል። የራሳቸውን ዝፍዝፍ ነዳጅ በቢሊዮኖች እየሸጡም ፣ ለመኪናቸው ቤንዚን ለመግዛት በቂ ገቢ የላቸውም። እንዲያውም በህዝብ ብሶት ሞልታ ትፈነዳለች ተብላ የምትጠበቀው ናይጄሪያ እንጂ ኬንያ አልነበረችም።
ዛሬ አይ ኤም ኤፍ አፍሪካን ያሻሽልልናል ብለህ የምትጠብቀው ዝንባም ካድሬ ሁላ፣ ትናንትና የቮልሼቪክ አብዮትን በግድ ጨፍልቀህ አህጉራችን ውስጥ አስገብተህ ኑሯችንን ያመሰቃቀልከውን የምንረሳ ይመስልሃልን? ጭባ!
እየተሽቀዳደመ በተደጋጋሚ ለዓመታት የተነበያቸው ነገሮች ሁሉ የተወላገዱ ናቸው። በቃላት አሽሞንሙና ቀባብቶ ለማጭበርበር ከመሞከር በስተቀር አንደኛውም ጥንቆላው ውኃ አይቋጥርም። ጠንቋይ ጋ መሄድ የሚያዘወትር ወይንም የወደፊቱ አልጋ በአልጋ እንደሚሆን እየናፈቀ የሚጃጃል ሰው ደግሞ ፣ ውስጡ ዛሬ ባሉት ሁኔታዎች የተቃወሰ ግን እያስመሰለ የሚኖር በሽተኛ ነው።
ስለዚህ ሆረስ መስመሩን የሳተ ዛሬ ሺቲ ላይፍ (sh!tty life) ውስጥ የሚኖር ዘባራቂ ጠንቋይ ነው ብዬ እገምታለሁ። ምን እገምታለሁ ብቻ አረጋግጣለሁም እንጂ - ዲሞክራቶች ሁለቱንም ቻምበር ይቆጣጠሩታል፣ ፕሬዘዳንት ሳህለ ወርቅ በሊሞዚን ነው የሄደችው፣ አቶ ዓብዮት ከውሽማው የወለዳት ልጅ አለችው፣ አፍሪካዊው አታቱርክ፣ ጉራጌ ክልል ይሆናል፣ ብርሃኑ የኢትዮጵያን የትምህርት ስታንዳርድ ወደ 21ኛው ክፍለ ዘመን ያሸጋግረዋል፣ ፋኖ ብቸኛው የኢትዮጽያ መከላከያ ሰራዊት ይሆናል፣ ወዘተ -
ዛሬ ደግሞ ዲቫልዌሽን ምንም የኑሮ ለውጥ አያመጣም እያለ እንደ ዕራፊ ጨርቅ ይቀደዳል። ዕውነቱ ግን ይኼ ነው - አሁን ያለው 30% የዋጋ ግሽበት፣ በምንዛሪው ማስተካከያ፣ በመንግስት ሙሰኝነትና ሌብነትና በጦርነቱ ምክንያት የባሰ ዕጥፍ ድርብ ይጨምራል፤ ማለትም የአገልግሎት፣ የምግብ፣ የሸቀጮችና የቋሚ ንብረቶች አሁን ካለበት ደረጃ በጣም ይንራል ማለት ነው። የሰዎች ገቢ ግን ምንም ፈቀቅ አይልም ወይንም በተመጣጣኝ አይሻሻልም።
ናይጄሪያ በአይ ኤም ኤፍ ጫና፣ የውጪ ምንዛሪዋን ከጥቁር ገበያው ጋር ከአስተካከለች በኋላ የዋጋ ግሽበት ጣሪያ ነካባቸው፣ በዚህም የተነሳ ዛሬ ህዝቡ የደም ዕንባ ያለቅሳል። የራሳቸውን ዝፍዝፍ ነዳጅ በቢሊዮኖች እየሸጡም ፣ ለመኪናቸው ቤንዚን ለመግዛት በቂ ገቢ የላቸውም። እንዲያውም በህዝብ ብሶት ሞልታ ትፈነዳለች ተብላ የምትጠበቀው ናይጄሪያ እንጂ ኬንያ አልነበረችም።
ዛሬ አይ ኤም ኤፍ አፍሪካን ያሻሽልልናል ብለህ የምትጠብቀው ዝንባም ካድሬ ሁላ፣ ትናንትና የቮልሼቪክ አብዮትን በግድ ጨፍልቀህ አህጉራችን ውስጥ አስገብተህ ኑሯችንን ያመሰቃቀልከውን የምንረሳ ይመስልሃልን? ጭባ!
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Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 08:54
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Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 09:00
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 09:06
I am not in this!
A country down the drain
How to ruin a country in six years
Money donations future borrowing
Devaluation for who, rich countries?
A sham country
Dictator after dictator
Run and ruined by cadres and incompetent leaders
Borrowing All about for road decoration and war implementation!
Down with ethnofascism
Down with Oromuma and Oromo hegmony
A country down the drain
How to ruin a country in six years
Money donations future borrowing
Devaluation for who, rich countries?
A sham country
Dictator after dictator
Run and ruined by cadres and incompetent leaders
Borrowing All about for road decoration and war implementation!
Down with ethnofascism
Down with Oromuma and Oromo hegmony
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 09:21
The problem is that competent people like yourself are wasting their time on sites like mereja.com or Youtube like that of Messay Mokonnon, a proven donqoro, instead of going home and start contributing their expertise and what they can to change something. What can we do?
Send everybody to refugee in the west?
አንተም ከመሳይ አትሻልም፣ ዶንቆሮ!
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 09:42
It's a currency devaluation, indeed.
Currency devaluation is nothing more or less than a downward adjustment in the official exchange rate of a given currency, which reduces the currency's value, regardless of whether the rate is determined by the government through its central bank or by the open market through supply and demand.
Let me also remind that since the collapse of the gold standard and the Bretton Woods agreement, floating exchange rates became more popular, to the extent that the currencies of most of the world's major economies, including the US dollar and the British Pound Sterling, are today determined by floating exchange rates.
Although adopting a floating exchange rate reflects disruption in the short-term, including speculation, to start with, it can have a positive impact on the economy in the long-term, as it can contribute in correcting trade imbalances with other trading countries.
Neither does a floating exchange rate mean that the currency is completely floating freely. Central banks and their governments still keep monitoring their currency to make its rate favorable for international trade.
Currency devaluation is nothing more or less than a downward adjustment in the official exchange rate of a given currency, which reduces the currency's value, regardless of whether the rate is determined by the government through its central bank or by the open market through supply and demand.
Let me also remind that since the collapse of the gold standard and the Bretton Woods agreement, floating exchange rates became more popular, to the extent that the currencies of most of the world's major economies, including the US dollar and the British Pound Sterling, are today determined by floating exchange rates.
Although adopting a floating exchange rate reflects disruption in the short-term, including speculation, to start with, it can have a positive impact on the economy in the long-term, as it can contribute in correcting trade imbalances with other trading countries.
Neither does a floating exchange rate mean that the currency is completely floating freely. Central banks and their governments still keep monitoring their currency to make its rate favorable for international trade.
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 09:48
………DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 09:21The problem is that competent people like yourself are wasting their time on sites like mereja.com or Youtube like that of Messay Mokonnon, a proven donqoro, instead of going home and start contributing their expertise and what they can to change something. What can we do?
Send everybody to refugee in the west?
አንተም ከመሳይ አትሻልም፣ ዶንቆሮ!
Oromuma parrot!
I don’t think you can process a complex stuff like this!
All your media, the robots and dogs like you are out on your foot for promoting your mismanagement and confusing the public as if you have done microeconomic success!
Oromuma needs money bs it is their turn and robbing time. You want money for your rising construction, for Kero and Oromo office holders and cronies to share the spoil. The money you get is not going to no poor person or other ethnic. It is to fund your domicid, urbicide-city destruction and foster genocide.
I am not sure how HORUS got deep in your trap though. I don’t expect answer from him he has his right to his openion.
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 10:03
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 10:32
It is not my intention to pursue this discussion but I just want to say that, even though you and I disagree with respect to our political positions, you are an educated person. I don't believe most of the folks here have a clue about the meaning of Bretton Woods, what it means to be on Gold standard, how exchange rates are determined by daily trading, how central banks control or regulate money supply and demand through lending, interest rate mechanisms and how governments buy back or sell money to regulate the amount of money in the market in line with rates of inflation. በንግድ ባንክና በብሄራዊ ባንክ መሃል ያለውን ልዩነት ማወቃቸውንም እጠራጠራለሁSomaliman wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 09:42It's a currency devaluation, indeed.
Currency devaluation is nothing more or less than a downward adjustment in the official exchange rate of a given currency, which reduces the currency's value, regardless of whether the rate is determined by the government through its central bank or by the open market through supply and demand.
Let me also remind that since the collapse of the gold standard and the Bretton Woods agreement, floating exchange rates became more popular, to the extent that the currencies of most of the world's major economies, including the US dollar and the British Pound Sterling, are today determined by floating exchange rates.
Although adopting a floating exchange rate reflects disruption in the short-term, including speculation, to start with, it can have a positive impact on the economy in the long-term, as it can contribute in correcting trade imbalances with other trading countries.
Neither does a floating exchange rate mean that the currency is completely floating freely. Central banks and their governments still keep monitoring their currency to make its rate favorable for international trade.
So, thanks for informed comment. Ethiopia has zillions of dismal economists and I have no need continuing this fruitless talk with mostly uninformed forum addicts.
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 10:33
Abiy OPDP is giving a free lesson on how to destroy a nation within a short 5 years. but it pains me to see askaris fisting on my people suffering, even though we all know there is no such thing called economy in that god forsaken land.
Re: Re:
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 11:28
Horus,
I do not think devaluation is the best way to get out of the financial quagmire the Orommuma thug is wallowing. It sounds to me cheating ( Ponzi thug) instead of rolling up his sleeve to work and earn national income. A viable economy is not one that is brainless and commandeered by outsider Zombie. A brainless economy can never stand on its feet, no matter what. It is true the "Black Market" is a true performance indicator - it has been telling how much the Ethiopian really worth's in the market; at the same implying how deep the economy has fallen. Oromumma thug has no option other than again to sit idle, trash Birr further so as to procure Christmas decoration lights, amusement parks, down town night club, coffee shops and restaurants in stead of taking stringent economic measure to get the economy back on track. Following this news ( which the likes of DDT are cheering), the Black Market will soar; in stead of $1 = Birr 120; it would be $1= 200 Birr. Already, poverty has been growing at an exponential rate; it will add more misery.
Abiy Ahmed is desperately looking for hard currency to procure military weapons so as his Orommuma monster can stay in power. He is not about transforming the country economically,, he is all about how to build an Orommuma hegemony. He already said that he would use up all the national wealth to build up OLF army and stay in power, not either deposed or flee like Mengistu Hailemariam - at least that is what he bragged off. We will see when the moment of truth hits.
አዲስ አበባ ቀይ መብራት መስላ - እንደ ሴተኛ አዳሪ ምሽት ላይ ብታብለጨልጭ የለማች እንዳይመስልህ።
አዲስ አባባ የጎዳና ላይ ቋሚ ሼሌ ብትመስልም - በርካታ የመኖሪያ ቤቶችን መብራት ድርግም አድርጋ አጥፍታ ነው ጎዳና ላይ ወጥታ ልታይ ልታይ ብላ የምታብለጨልጨው። እኔ መቸም አዲስ አበባ በደውልክ ቁጥር መብራት የለም ጨለማ ውስጥ ነን ያለነው ነው የሚሉኝ። በተለይ ቪድዮ ጥሪ - ያሸማቅቃል።
I do not think devaluation is the best way to get out of the financial quagmire the Orommuma thug is wallowing.
It sounds to me cheating ( Ponzi thug) instead of rolling up his sleeve to work and earn national income. A viable economy is not one that is brainless and commandeered by outsider Zombie. A brainless economy can never stand on its feet, no matter what. It is true the "Black Market" is a true performance indicator - it has been telling how much the Ethiopian really worth's in the market; at the same implying how deep the economy has fallen. Oromumma thug has no option other than again to sit idle, trash Birr further so as to procure Christmas decoration lights, amusement parks, down town night club, coffee shops and restaurants in stead of taking stringent economic measure to get the economy back on track. Following this news ( which the likes of DDT are cheering), the Black Market will soar; in stead of $1 = Birr 120; it would be $1= 200 Birr. Already, poverty has been growing at an exponential rate; it will add more misery.Abiy Ahmed is desperately looking for hard currency to procure military weapons so as his Orommuma monster can stay in power. He is not about transforming the country economically,, he is all about how to build an Orommuma hegemony. He already said that he would use up all the national wealth to build up OLF army and stay in power, not either deposed or flee like Mengistu Hailemariam - at least that is what he bragged off. We will see when the moment of truth hits.
አዲስ አበባ ቀይ መብራት መስላ - እንደ ሴተኛ አዳሪ ምሽት ላይ ብታብለጨልጭ የለማች እንዳይመስልህ።
አዲስ አባባ የጎዳና ላይ ቋሚ ሼሌ ብትመስልም - በርካታ የመኖሪያ ቤቶችን መብራት ድርግም አድርጋ አጥፍታ ነው ጎዳና ላይ ወጥታ ልታይ ልታይ ብላ የምታብለጨልጨው። እኔ መቸም አዲስ አበባ በደውልክ ቁጥር መብራት የለም ጨለማ ውስጥ ነን ያለነው ነው የሚሉኝ። በተለይ ቪድዮ ጥሪ - ያሸማቅቃል።
Horus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:26
What is the effect of floating exchange system = same effect! Of course, there is one partly true perspective; that is, due to the black market $1 = $117+/- rate, some markets have always been on floating system. But, that a very small segment of the population. For millions of fixed income workers and poor people, the official fall of the Birr vs, the dollar will reduce the net worth of millions by 1/2 thereby reducing the buying power of folks by half. In any case, probably 70 to 80% of our economic activity is an informal economy and no one knows the exact effect of the Birr devaluation. Some of the inflation in the economy was artificial and perhaps the weak Birr might might create lower demand among the population thereby creating lower prices. We shall see,
Re: The Devaluation of Birr
Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 13:02
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ምን ይባል መሰልህ?
ምንስማርና ዶማ ብቻ ባለበት አለም የችግሮች ሁሉ ምንጭ ምስማር፣ የችግሮች ሁሉ መፍቻ ዶማ ይሆናል ይባላል። ስለ ብር ዋጋ መውደቅና ማደግ ውይይት ሲደረግ ስለ አዲስ አበባ መቆሸሽና መጽዳት ማውራት የህሳቤ ቅደም ተከተልና የነገሮች አመዳደብ ችግር ያስከትላል። እውቀት ማለት በአንድ ቃል አንድን ነገር ከሌላ ነገር የመለየት ችሎታ ነው ። የዶላር እጥረት የተፈጠረው አዲስ አበባ ስለጸዳ ነው የሚል ፋክት ካለህ አርብ ። እውቀት ማለት ያ ነው። ከዚያ ባለፈ ዱባና ቅል ለየቅል ነውና ሁሉንም ነገር ባካታጎሪው ውስጥ አስቀምጠን ማሰብ የተጣለብን ኮግኒቲቭ ግዴታ ነው ።
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ምን ይባል መሰልህ?
ምንስማርና ዶማ ብቻ ባለበት አለም የችግሮች ሁሉ ምንጭ ምስማር፣ የችግሮች ሁሉ መፍቻ ዶማ ይሆናል ይባላል። ስለ ብር ዋጋ መውደቅና ማደግ ውይይት ሲደረግ ስለ አዲስ አበባ መቆሸሽና መጽዳት ማውራት የህሳቤ ቅደም ተከተልና የነገሮች አመዳደብ ችግር ያስከትላል። እውቀት ማለት በአንድ ቃል አንድን ነገር ከሌላ ነገር የመለየት ችሎታ ነው ። የዶላር እጥረት የተፈጠረው አዲስ አበባ ስለጸዳ ነው የሚል ፋክት ካለህ አርብ ። እውቀት ማለት ያ ነው። ከዚያ ባለፈ ዱባና ቅል ለየቅል ነውና ሁሉንም ነገር ባካታጎሪው ውስጥ አስቀምጠን ማሰብ የተጣለብን ኮግኒቲቭ ግዴታ ነው ።
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