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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Ethoash » 07 Jun 2022, 14:13

Abere wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 14:01
ሆረስ፤

ምን አለፋህ ወዳጄ! ሰውየው እራሱን ከህይወት ታሪኩ ወስጥ ሰረዘ (deleted himself)። :lol: ከሶሻልሜድያ ላይ ፕሮፋይል አጠፋ ነው የሚሉት። የእርሱ ግን 40 ወይም 60 አመት ያደረገውን ሁሉ ሰረዘ ማለት። His biographic file is corrupted.ዐወቅሽ ዐውቅሽ ሲሏት የባሏት የጸሎት መጽሐፍ አጠበች ይሉሃል ይኸ ነው።

ትቃጠላለህ እንጂ ኦሮሞ ከእጅህ አምልጠዋል። አማራ ፈለገም፣አልፈለገም፣ ወደደም ፣ አልወለደደም ፣ ምንም አታመጣም ኦሮሞ መርሾዋል ላይመለስ ረቀቱ ከአማራ ጋራ እየስፋ እየስፋ መጥቶዋል። አሁን አማራ ያለበት የኦሮሞ መብት መሆኑን አውቆ አፉን መዝጋት ብቻ ነው። ወሬ አበዛለሁ ካልክ ግን አነገረኝም እንዳትል። በስሜን ጦርነት ከትግሬዎች ጋራ ጀመረክ አሁን ደግሞ ከኦሮሞ ጋራ ይህ የጦርነት ቁስቆሳ አያዋጣም አማራ ለአንዴና ለመጨረሻ ግዜ የልክ ልኩን ያገኛል ስለዚህ አስጠንቂቃለሁ በእሳት አትጫወቱ።

ኦሮሞ መብቱ ነው ብላቹሁ ማለፍ ብቻ ነው ያለባቹሁ፣ ማብራራት ፣ መተርጎም፣ ማስተርጎም የለባች ሁም። ለምሳሌ እኔ ለልጄ ምን አይነት ስም እንደማወጣ ምንም መብት የላቹም አሁንም በማያገባቹሁ እየገባቹሁ ጦርነት አትቀስቅሱ።

አሁን እንዲህ ስታለቅሱ ዳቦቹሁን የወስዱባቹሁ አይመስልም። ምን አገባቹሁ እሮም ስሜ ስም የለኝም ቢል ። ምን ያገባቹዋል የምን መፈላስፍ ነው። እሱ ነው የገረማቹሁ ግዛቸው። ርገጣቸው። ሽዋን ግዛው፣ የመሳስሉ የትቢት ስሞች በሙሉ በሕግ ተገደው ይቀይራሉ። ጫላ ይባላሉ ስም ጠፍቶ ስማቸውን እንዲህ ካበላሹት ጫላ ይባላሉ አማራ ስም መስጠት አቅቶት ዝናቡ የሚሉ አታክልት የሚሉ በሙሉ ስማቸው ይቀየራል።

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by TGAA » 07 Jun 2022, 20:07

Why do they manufacture lies like this? "His mother chose it under pressure when a nurse objected to writing "Abdi" (meaning "hope" in Afaan Oromoo) in the official records when he was taken as a baby to be vaccinated.

But he was always known at home and by all his friends as Abdi."

Making mountain out of a molehill is what tribalists are excelled at. Picking up names from the closest culture you make contact with is as common as clockwork. Nobody made them take any name that they don't want to, but if they are not comfortable they can pick whatever kind of name they desire. Period. It is one of ቀልቀሎ ስልቻ issue, it should not amount to anything. One of the achievements of a wallowing culture --- no substance.

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Sadacha Macca » 07 Jun 2022, 20:53

TGAA, Who are you tell them about their experiences, especially their elderly family members who were there to witness how the oromo culture and language were denigrated by the previous governments, i.e. haile selassie? The history of those times should not be forgotten, such as, when they deliberately kept the Oromo under-educated, and when confronted, their minister said: ''the Oromo are like an ocean who can overwhelm us, so we have kept them behind by a 100 years!!'' Tadesse Birru witnessed it, and he was an ardent Ethiopian nationalist too! More than anyone here, even combined; yet when we saw the blatant anti oromo policies, he was forced to join the Maccaa Tulama self help association and advocate for Oromo rights!


How do you know their family members or etc, weren't pressured to change their names to not be denigrated and discriminated against? Were you there? No.
BTW, The Oromo, we are a NATION, NOT A TRIBE, get that right too. You can hate us, but do not lie about us, otherwise, people like me will be here to swiftly correct and refute your lies and slander!

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by TGAA » 07 Jun 2022, 22:10

Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 20:53
TGAA, Who are you tell them about their experiences, especially their elderly family members who were there to witness how the oromo culture and language were denigrated by the previous governments, i.e. haile selassie? The history of those times should not be forgotten, such as, when they deliberately kept the Oromo under-educated, and when confronted, their minister said: ''the Oromo are like an ocean who can overwhelm us, so we have kept them behind by a 100 years!!'' Tadesse Birru witnessed it, and he was an ardent Ethiopian nationalist too! More than anyone here, even combined; yet when we saw the blatant anti oromo policies, he was forced to join the Maccaa Tulama self help association and advocate for Oromo rights!


How do you know their family members or etc, weren't pressured to change their names to not be denigrated and discriminated against? Were you there? No.
BTW, The Oromo, we are a NATION, NOT A TRIBE, get that right too. You can hate us, but do not lie about us, otherwise, people like me will be here to swiftly correct and refute your lies and slander!
First of all before you pile up these kinds of concocted history to support your claim -look at facts as they are. Who is underEducated? Oromos are the most educated whether it be the ones in Shewa or in Wellega . Haile Selasse had more Oromos in power unless you claim-- they are Amharas because they spoke Amaraic. Most of the Airforces were Oromos. As far as Tadesse Birru went , any Government will react to protect its power Haile Selasse , or Derg or weyane or Abiy . It doesn't matter who the person was , Haile Slasse sent a national army and used overwhelming force when Gogam started fighting, he killed more Amharas than Oromos . For all I know Tadess Biruu may have been sent to quell Gojam's uprising . Wellos or Gojams or Wellega Ormos could have changed thier name to bland into Addis " so-called " modern life. The something l goes to our Western-born children they pick western names to bland in -- you are just are making a mountain out of a molehill. I grew up going with kids that maintained their Oromo name, I don't know where this concocted forced name change came from. I don't say this out of disrespect -- yea someone can be teased out of ignorance for a different reason-- that happened in all society but to exaggerate it a draconian law that was imposed based of Ethnicity contradict the reality. There were Gurage names, Wellamo names etc it could be unique but it didn't hold anyone back from Educational or other successes.

What makes one tribal is the neanderthal thinking process that accompanies it .. Nations don't latch on to tribal sentiment to feel big, cause they know they are big they done have the urge to safocate others .
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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Horus » 07 Jun 2022, 22:45

TGAA - it was Gen. Jagama Kelo who commanded the operation against Waqo Gotu out of the Sofomor cave in Bale.
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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Sabur » 07 Jun 2022, 22:45


ብጽብጽ Mitraq:


It has nothing to do with Ormos, Amharas, Kikuyus, Luos or other tribes. The main theme here is to hold to you identity without being pompous about it. If one wants to name his children after great personalities or inventors, why not ? But that should not be because of fear assimilations, fear of old power,....

Capito ብጽብጽ ?


Misraq wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 09:44
Zemso,

Can you answer on why BBC ignored the fact that Africans have Anglo-Saxon names if they are Christians and Arabic names if they are Muslims ? I wonder on why your skunnni አነስ is hell bent on finding issues amongst Ethiopians. አንተ እምስ ፊት።

Also come and tell us on why many in your skunnni land has names like Mario, Luciano, Agostinos....etc. seems to me you have no objections there madafakar


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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by TGAA » 07 Jun 2022, 23:14

Horus wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 22:45
TGAA - it was Gen. Jagama Kelo who commanded the operation against Waqo Gotu out the Sofomor cave in Bale.
Had the commander was Hailemariam instade of Jagama kello who took the command against , Sid Barre's poodle, waqo Gotu, that could have been a cause for another grievance wetted handkerchief, for grievance ridden Oromo agitators.

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Meleket » 08 Jun 2022, 05:10

ወዳጃችን Educator ስለ ማበረታታትዎ ከልብ እናመሰግንዎታለን፡ እኛ ኤርትራዉያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች :mrgreen:
Educator wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 12:15
Wow.. excellent and educational poem at the very appropriate time.
Thank you so much, Meleket!
Meleket wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 10:54
ላቶ ገመቹ ልጅ ብርሃኑ ገመቹ፡ በኤርትራዊ ኣማርኛ፡ እኛ ኤርትራዉያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች እንግጠምለታ! ባለበት ሰላምና ጤናም ተመኝተንለታል። :mrgreen:

ላቶ ገመቹ ልጅ ብርሃኑ ገመቹ

ደረጀ የነበረ ሞቲ ተቀየረ፡
ግርማ የነበረ ኣብዲ ተቀየረ፡
እንዳልክ የነበረ ኢብሳ ተቀየረ፡
እያለ ‘ብርሃኑ’ ዜና ኣቀናበረ። :mrgreen:

ደረጀ ቢቀየር ኣብዪ እንዳለ ኣለ፡
ግርማ ቢቀየርም ሽመልስ እዛ ኣለ፡
ይብላኝ ለወሬኛ ተንኮል ለሸመነ፡
ኣሉባልታ ወሬ እንዲህ ለበተነ፡
ፍቅርን ለካደ ጥላቻን ላመነ። :mrgreen:

መርቶ አያውቅም ሲለን ኦሮሞ ኢትዮጵያን፡
ይህንን ውስለታ እንዴት ነው ምናምን? :lol:

ኃይሌ ምኒልክም ቢጠየቅ መንግስቱ፡
ደማቸው ‘ኦሮሞ’ ከጥንት ከጠዋቱ፡
እየተዋሃደ ከየ ጐረቤቱ፡
በአንክሮ ሲያያችሁ እውነቱ ትዝብቱ፡
ምን ብላችሁ ይሆን የምትሞግቱ? :mrgreen:

ያቶ ገመቹ ልጅ ብርሃኑ ገመቹ፡
መሰሪ ይመስላሉ፡ ለወሬ አይመቹ።
:mrgreen:
Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 08:21
The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

By Berhanu Gemechu, BBC News Afaan Oromoo

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61511681

Published 11 hours ago

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Wedi » 08 Jun 2022, 05:18

ኦሮሞዎች ስም በኦፊሻል መቀየር ከተጀመሩ ጋላ የሚለውን ትክክልኛና የጥንት ስማቸውንም በይፋ እንዲቀይሩና እንዲጠቀሙበት እንጠይቃላነ!!

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by kerenite » 08 Jun 2022, 13:38

Tiago wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 08:57
BBC says nothing about the vast majority of Africans who have Anglo Saxon first names.The fact is ,oromos we’re not forced to adopt Amharic or arabic names.

*****
Haile seals sent was not 100% Amhara.

Abdi is arabic for slave.
Selam wendim/ihit,

A clarification is in order here.

ABDI is absolutely not an arab word at all. It is purely an abyssinian word. It definitely does not mean SLAVE or whatever in arabic while it is unknown in the language.

The term slave in arabic is ABD and not abdi. No arab understands what ABDI is.

Some of the abyssinian muslims mistakenly call themselves ABDI (in eritrea thanks god we don't apply such name). Hey! It is abdu and not abdi and it is derived from Qoranic names such as:

Abdul selam, abdul rahman, abdul rahim, abdullah, abdulgadir, etc...

Abdul means the slave of God.

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Ethoash » 08 Jun 2022, 13:48

kerenite wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 13:38
The term slave in arabic is ABD and not abdi. No arab understands what ABDI is.
በሳቅ ነው የፈረስኩት፣ አምን ዝም ብለው እብድ አይሉም ፣ የማያውቁትን ቃላት ወታፍ ከሚነቅሉ።

አበበ በቂላ ጥሩ ምሳሌ ነው በስም አከራካሪ ታሪክ እንደሚቀማ ነገ ቀነኒሳ በቀለ አባቱ አማራ ነው የሚሉ ሊመጡ ይችላሉ። ገዘቤም አማራ ነች ፣ በስም አከራካሪነት ግን አማሮች የዚህ ችግር ያለባቸው አይመስለኝም ሀይሌ ገብረ ስላሴ መቶ አምሳ አመት ኦሮሞ ሐገር ተቀምጣ ስሙን አልቀየረም ። ግን የሀገሩ ባለቤት ቄሶች መጥተው ተጠምቀሀል የክርስትና ስም ልስጥህ በለው ከዚህ በመለስ ንጉሴ፣ ከዚያ በመለስ ደገሞ ብርቄ ናቹሁ ብሎ ይሄዳል ። ይሄንን ነው አትቀልብሱት የሚሉን.

ደግሞ ትንሽ ታግለው እንደመልቀቅ ፣ አገር ቢፈርስም ይህንን ክርክራቸውን አይተወም ምን አይነት ገገሞች መሆናቸው ግራ ነው የሚያጋባው ታድያ እነዚህ የሞቱ አህዬች ይዞ ነው ወይ እድገትና ብልፀግና የሚመጣው። በስው ስም ድርቅ።

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Sadacha Macca » 08 Jun 2022, 15:01

TGAA wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 22:10
Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 20:53
TGAA, Who are you tell them about their experiences, especially their elderly family members who were there to witness how the oromo culture and language were denigrated by the previous governments, i.e. haile selassie? The history of those times should not be forgotten, such as, when they deliberately kept the Oromo under-educated, and when confronted, their minister said: ''the Oromo are like an ocean who can overwhelm us, so we have kept them behind by a 100 years!!'' Tadesse Birru witnessed it, and he was an ardent Ethiopian nationalist too! More than anyone here, even combined; yet when we saw the blatant anti oromo policies, he was forced to join the Maccaa Tulama self help association and advocate for Oromo rights!


How do you know their family members or etc, weren't pressured to change their names to not be denigrated and discriminated against? Were you there? No.
BTW, The Oromo, we are a NATION, NOT A TRIBE, get that right too. You can hate us, but do not lie about us, otherwise, people like me will be here to swiftly correct and refute your lies and slander!
First of all before you pile up these kinds of concocted history to support your claim -look at facts as they are. Who is underEducated? Oromos are the most educated whether it be the ones in Shewa or in Wellega . Haile Selasse had more Oromos in power unless you claim-- they are Amharas because they spoke Amaraic. Most of the Airforces were Oromos. As far as Tadesse Birru went , any Government will react to protect its power Haile Selasse , or Derg or weyane or Abiy . It doesn't matter who the person was , Haile Slasse sent a national army and used overwhelming force when Gogam started fighting, he killed more Amharas than Oromos . For all I know Tadess Biruu may have been sent to quell Gojam's uprising . Wellos or Gojams or Wellega Ormos could have changed thier name to bland into Addis " so-called " modern life. The something l goes to our Western-born children they pick western names to bland in -- you are just are making a mountain out of a molehill. I grew up going with kids that maintained their Oromo name, I don't know where this concocted forced name change came from. I don't say this out of disrespect -- yea someone can be teased out of ignorance for a different reason-- that happened in all society but to exaggerate it a draconian law that was imposed based of Ethnicity contradict the reality. There were Gurage names, Wellamo names etc it could be unique but it didn't hold anyone back from Educational or other successes.

What makes one tribal is the neanderthal thinking process that accompanies it .. Nations don't latch on to tribal sentiment to feel big, cause they know they are big they done have the urge to safocate others .
''General Taddese Biru, who was an Oromo but was assumed to be an Amhara, enthusiastic support for the spread of literacy among the Oromo alarmed the Ethiopian Prime Minister of the time, Akelilu Habete Wolde.
The Prime Minister, who assumed that General Taddasa Biru was an Amhara, confided to him the educational policy of Haile Selassie's government in these words:
''Taddesse! After you have started leading the literacy campaign, you talk a lot about learning.
It is good to say learn. However, you must know whom we have to teach. We are leading the country by leaving behind the Oromo by at least a century.
If you think you can educate them, they are an ocean whose wave can engulf you.''
[Oromo Nationalism and the Ethiopian Discourse: The Search for Freedom and Democracy, by: Asafa Jalata, Pages 200-201]




''After his restoration to power in 1941, Emperor Haile Selassie had a good opportunity to right the old wrongs and build a state on the basis of equality among the peoples of Ethiopia.
On the contrary, the first thing the emperor did after his return to power was to stop the Oromo language program of the Italian period and ban the use of that language in the court system as well as for educational purposes.
In 1942 not only did Haile Selassie's regime ban literature in the Oromo language, ''but most of what was already available was collected and destroyed.''


In the words of Paul Baxter:
Afaan Oromo was denied any official status and it was not permissible to publish, preach, teach or broadcast in Afaan Oromo. In court or before an official an Oromo had to speak Amharic or use an interpreter.
Even a case between two Oromo's, before an Oromo speaking magistrate had to be heard in Amharic.
I sat through a Christian mission service at which the preacher and all the congregration were Oromo but at which the sermons as well as the service was given first in Amharic, which few of the people understood at all, and then translated into Afaan Oromo.''

[State Building and Democratization in Africa: Faith, Hope, and Realities
edited by Kidane Mengisteab, Cyril Daddieh, Cyril K. Daddieh, pages 234-235]







I can bring much more proof to substantiate the claims we make. But, of course, you are too blinded by deep-seated fear and hatred of the Oromo, to be honest enough and open minded enough to look at the truth. Did those in gojjam become gabbar, or serfs, like those in the south did? did they ever lose the rights to their land? were they forced to give up over half of their produce to a naftenya?

Your reasoning for why the Oromo isn't a nation-is pathetic, false, and foolish, to be quite honest. Regardless of your disagreements, hatred, fear, etc, it doesn't make a nation any less of a nation, like it or not, hate it or not, the Oromo is a nation-simple as that. the Amhara is a nation, the Somali is a nation, the Afar is a nation, The Tigrayans are a nation, etc.










Horus,
Pretty much the entire Bale was under General Waqo Gutu's forces, jagama kello, a servant of the same regime that oppressed other oromos and non oromos too, didn't do much- it took haile selassie begging the white man for help, to finally win the war, which took place form 1963 to 1970. the UK, USA, and Israel had to send in forces and engineers, and military aid, for him to win. which shows, Ethiopia is, and always has been, dependent on the Europeans

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Ethoash » 08 Jun 2022, 15:11

Sadacha Macca

why r u always you come after and pour cold water on my hot pursuit... why do you waited until i am no attack mode and you destroy my effort to help the oromo people for sure you r not speaking for all oromo hence when someone help you just wait .. i know you have some issue with me but why u doing this ..

i don't care about you answer after me or not but this is typical of all oromio . no wonder the Amhara call u Galla..

if i was helping or have the same idea with Amhara they would support me, instead of tripping

i dont even want your lecture .. i am done with u up to next time ...

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by TGAA » 08 Jun 2022, 16:44

Sadacha Macca wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 15:01
TGAA wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 22:10
Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Jun 2022, 20:53
TGAA, Who are you tell them about their experiences, especially their elderly family members who were there to witness how the oromo culture and language were denigrated by the previous governments, i.e. haile selassie? The history of those times should not be forgotten, such as, when they deliberately kept the Oromo under-educated, and when confronted, their minister said: ''the Oromo are like an ocean who can overwhelm us, so we have kept them behind by a 100 years!!'' Tadesse Birru witnessed it, and he was an ardent Ethiopian nationalist too! More than anyone here, even combined; yet when we saw the blatant anti oromo policies, he was forced to join the Maccaa Tulama self help association and advocate for Oromo rights!


How do you know their family members or etc, weren't pressured to change their names to not be denigrated and discriminated against? Were you there? No.
BTW, The Oromo, we are a NATION, NOT A TRIBE, get that right too. You can hate us, but do not lie about us, otherwise, people like me will be here to swiftly correct and refute your lies and slander!
First of all before you pile up these kinds of concocted history to support your claim -look at facts as they are. Who is underEducated? Oromos are the most educated whether it be the ones in Shewa or in Wellega . Haile Selasse had more Oromos in power unless you claim-- they are Amharas because they spoke Amaraic. Most of the Airforces were Oromos. As far as Tadesse Birru went , any Government will react to protect its power Haile Selasse , or Derg or weyane or Abiy . It doesn't matter who the person was , Haile Slasse sent a national army and used overwhelming force when Gogam started fighting, he killed more Amharas than Oromos . For all I know Tadess Biruu may have been sent to quell Gojam's uprising . Wellos or Gojams or Wellega Ormos could have changed thier name to bland into Addis " so-called " modern life. The something l goes to our Western-born children they pick western names to bland in -- you are just are making a mountain out of a molehill. I grew up going with kids that maintained their Oromo name, I don't know where this concocted forced name change came from. I don't say this out of disrespect -- yea someone can be teased out of ignorance for a different reason-- that happened in all society but to exaggerate it a draconian law that was imposed based of Ethnicity contradict the reality. There were Gurage names, Wellamo names etc it could be unique but it didn't hold anyone back from Educational or other successes.

What makes one tribal is the neanderthal thinking process that accompanies it .. Nations don't latch on to tribal sentiment to feel big, cause they know they are big they done have the urge to safocate others .
''General Taddese Biru, who was an Oromo but was assumed to be an Amhara, enthusiastic support for the spread of literacy among the Oromo alarmed the Ethiopian Prime Minister of the time, Akelilu Habete Wolde.
The Prime Minister, who assumed that General Taddasa Biru was an Amhara, confided to him the educational policy of Haile Selassie's government in these words:
''Taddesse! After you have started leading the literacy campaign, you talk a lot about learning.
It is good to say learn. However, you must know whom we have to teach. We are leading the country by leaving behind the Oromo by at least a century.
If you think you can educate them, they are an ocean whose wave can engulf you.''
[Oromo Nationalism and the Ethiopian Discourse: The Search for Freedom and Democracy, by: Asafa Jalata, Pages 200-201]


Either you don't know who Asafa Jalata is or you are short changing yourself when you present him as your source of referance. Asafa Jalata has the audacity to write that 10,000,000 Oroms were killed by evil Amharas . Mind you the time he referiered this Genocide tooki place the total population of the Ethiopan people was close to 5 million this lier can kill 10 million out of the total of 5 million people, So while half of the Haile Selassie cabinet members were Oromos Akeliu Habete Weld confeind to General Taddess Biru, an oromo, that the policy of the Haile Selass government was to leave Oromos a century behind. I guess all those missionaries that were sent almost exclusively to Oromia was to spread illitracy ? How logical . The policy Amharic as national language was not designed particulay to Oroms , it was nationwide,and applied to all nationality in Ethiopia, regardless whether the policy was right or Wrong. As a nation we need to have a lingua franca to communicate -- whether it be Amharic or English it doesn't matter but we need one. In America Germens, sweds, Italians, Chinese, and Black Africans all were forced to learn only English --- that didn't hurt them did it. ?



''After his restoration to power in 1941, Emperor Haile Selassie had a good opportunity to right the old wrongs and build a state on the basis of equality among the peoples of Ethiopia.
On the contrary, the first thing the emperor did after his return to power was to stop the Oromo language program of the Italian period and ban the use of that language in the court system as well as for educational purposes.
In 1942 not only did Haile Selassie's regime ban literature in the Oromo language, ''but most of what was already available was collected and destroyed.''


In the words of Paul Baxter:
Afaan Oromo was denied any official status and it was not permissible to publish, preach, teach or broadcast in Afaan Oromo. In court or before an official an Oromo had to speak Amharic or use an interpreter.
Even a case between two Oromo's, before an Oromo speaking magistrate had to be heard in Amharic.
I sat through a Christian mission service at which the preacher and all the congregration were Oromo but at which the sermons as well as the service was given first in Amharic, which few of the people understood at all, and then translated into Afaan Oromo.''

[State Building and Democratization in Africa: Faith, Hope, and Realities
edited by Kidane Mengisteab, Cyril Daddieh, Cyril K. Daddieh, pages 234-235]







I can bring much more proof to substantiate the claims we make. But, of course, you are too blinded by deep-seated fear and hatred of the Oromo, to be honest enough and open minded enough to look at the truth. Did those in gojjam become gabbar, or serfs, like those in the south did? did they ever lose the rights to their land? were they forced to give up over half of their produce to a naftenya?

Your reasoning for why the Oromo isn't a nation-is pathetic, false, and foolish, to be quite honest. Regardless of your disagreements, hatred, fear, etc, it doesn't make a nation any less of a nation, like it or not, hate it or not, the Oromo is a nation-simple as that. the Amhara is a nation, the Somali is a nation, the Afar is a nation, The Tigrayans are a nation, etc.










Horus,
Pretty much the entire Bale was under General Waqo Gutu's forces, jagama kello, a servant of the same regime that oppressed other oromos and non oromos too, didn't do much- it took haile selassie begging the white man for help, to finally win the war, which took place form 1963 to 1970. the UK, USA, and Israel had to send in forces and engineers, and military aid, for him to win. which shows, Ethiopia is, and always has been, dependent on the Europeans

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Sadacha Macca » 08 Jun 2022, 19:13

When did he call all Amhara's ''evil''? Where's your proof? Post it, otherwise, you're lying.

Asafa Jalata was quoting Martial de Salviac, a French traveler who stayed among the oromo for years upon years, both prior to, and after, the conquest of menelik... and he estimated that millions of oromo died as a result of the conquest and its consequences, which includes: the war of conquest, those who were starved, those who died of disease, those who fled as a result and didn't make it, etc

Here's the quote Asafa Jalata used, in a paper he wrote, entitled ''Gadaa Oromo Democracy: An Example of Classical African Civilization:

''According to Martial de Salviac (2005 [1901]: 350), ''With equal arms, the Abyssinian Emperor who never conquer an inch of land. With the power of firearms imported from Europe, Menelik began a murderous revenge.''
''The Abyssinian government massacred half of the Oromo population [5 out of 10 million] and their leadership during its colonial expansion [de Salviac, 2005 [1901]: 608, 278; Bulatovich, 2000: 66-68).
According to Alexander Bulatobich (2000: 68-69), ''The dreadful annihilation of more than half of the population during the conquest took away from the Oromo all possibilities of thinking about any sort of uprising .. Without a doubt, the Oromo, with their at least 5 million population, occupying the best land, all speaking one language, could represent a tremendous force if united.''

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by TGAA » 08 Jun 2022, 21:08

Sadacha Macca wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 19:13
When did he call all Amhara's ''evil''? Where's your proof? Post it, otherwise, you're lying.

Asafa Jalata was quoting Martial de Salviac, a French traveler who stayed among the oromo for years upon years, both prior to, and after, the conquest of menelik... and he estimated that millions of oromo died as a result of the conquest and its consequences, which includes: the war of conquest, those who were starved, those who died of disease, those who fled as a result and didn't make it, etc

Here's the quote Asafa Jalata used, in a paper he wrote, entitled ''Gadaa Oromo Democracy: An Example of Classical African Civilization:
Prof,
''According to Martial de Salviac (2005 [1901]: 350), ''With equal arms, the Abyssinian Emperor who never conquer an inch of land. With the power of firearms imported from Europe, Menelik began a murderous revenge.''
''The Abyssinian government massacred half of the Oromo population [5 out of 10 million] and their leadership during its colonial expansion [de Salviac, 2005 [1901]: 608, 278; Bulatovich, 2000: 66-68).
According to Alexander Bulatobich (2000: 68-69), ''The dreadful annihilation of more than half of the population during the conquest took away from the Oromo all possibilities of thinking about any sort of uprising .. Without a doubt, the Oromo, with their at least 5 million population, occupying the best land, all speaking one language, could represent a tremendous force if united.''
Prof. Feqadu Lamessa has put it best-describing asfa jalata , an intellectual Charltons who makes up history out of thin air to further his twisted tribal politics.
"Most fictional accounts of 'Oromo history' blindly accepted as facts by some misled people are manufactured by former politicians turned Pseudo-historians like OLF writer Asafa Jalata, who is renowned for abuse of paraphrasing, often with out-of-context citations. For example, while quoting the 19th century Russian Alexander Bulatovich (who provided an 'educated guess' of annihilation of almost half Ethiopian population by disease, famine and war, including internal conflict between Oromo clans and with Abyssinians), the OLF-writer Asafa Jalata infamously claimed half Oromo population was killed by 'evil' Amharas. This was purposely done by Mr. Jalata to create a foundation for ethnic hatred between Oromos and Amharas. Ironically, even Mr. Bulatovich himself never had the capacity nor the legitimacy to do a reliable census, as he spent just a couple of months walking around Oromia and hunting elephants in 189"

Jul-28-2013 19:21

History 101: Fiction and Facts on Oromos of Ethiopia

Prof. Feqadu Lamessa for Salem-News.com

(a guide for foreign journalists on Oromos and Ethiopian history

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Tiago » 08 Jun 2022, 21:46

I wonder why Abdi is popular name in Somalia if it does not mean servant of GOD?

While Arabic speakers commonly use Abdu (عبده‎ / عبدو ʿabdu) rather than Abdi, both are nicknames for Abdul. It originates from the Arabic word عبد ال ʿabd al- / ʿabd el- / ʿabd ul-. The name translates as "servant of God"[1] in reference to religious submission to Allah (God). As such, it is often used by Muslims around the world in conjunction with one of the names of God in Islam, but also sometimes on its own.[1

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Sadacha Macca » 08 Jun 2022, 21:54

Your professor ''feqadu'' said it is false, without saying how it's false, nor did he refute it with actual proof, him simply saying it's false, doesn't make it false.
''Professor'' Feqadu insulted Asafa, without proving any counter-proof, or evidence, to refute the sources he cited.
EVEN IF, the Oromo population was 2 million, killing one million people is still horrible, to put it lightly.
I read his article, that you cited, and NOT ONCE did he himself, use any historical sources, to refute the claims made here.
He did not do anything other than say, ''they are wrong,'' without proving that they are wrong. That's just hearsay, he did not provide any proof.
No...proof...at...all.
If the Ethiopian population was less than that, prove it. The population estimate of those sources are based on them traveling all over Oromo land, living among Oromo's for years upon years.

And I am STILL WAITING for you to prove that he called ''Amhara's evil.'' You didn't provide any proof for that, YET. Still waiting, and I almost certain that you will never bring any proof for that.


edit: abdi has a meaning in afaan oromo... simple as that. it has no connection with the other usages or variations of the name.

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by TGAA » 08 Jun 2022, 22:38

Here is for everybody to read Prof. Fekadu Lammess' refutation of OLF mouthpieces. Mr Sadacha Macca you want me to prove a negative like 10 million Oromos being killed by Amharas out of 5 million the Ethiopian population . Even the industrial Germany with all its all scientific advancement could kill only 6 million Jews, but feudal Ethiopia with its numbered powder rifle killed 10 million Oromos.
If it is true as you claimed and Amharas killed 10 million Oroms, even one million, they could be nothing but evil. can you try to be belivable , a little.
Here Fekadu Lammess's article for all to read. He trounces every lie that is concocted by kind of asafa jalata .
Jul-28-2013 19:21printcomments
History 101: Fiction and Facts on Oromos of Ethiopia
Prof. Feqadu Lamessa for Salem-News.com

(a guide for foreign journalists on Oromos and Ethiopian history)
Oromo, Ethiopia
Courtesy: ayyaantuu.com

(ADAMA, Ethiopia) - Recently, the Qatar-based media al Jazeera has published several articles concerning the Oromo people of Ethiopia. (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 29934.html) It is the first international media outlet to extensively report on our people and it should be praised for bringing our cause to the world stage.

One of the benefits of this exposure is it forces Ethiopian authorities to address human rights abuses in the country and to let them know that the world is watching. Oromos and other Ethiopians have been struggling for equal rights and democracy for decades. While it is important to report about Oromo people' background and historical perspectives, it is however vital that we report accurate information. Instead of benefiting us, reporting inaccurate or biased information can actually harm our struggle for democracy. Instead of creating national consensus and peace, it can instigate bitterness and anger.

One of the reasons al Jazeera reported inaccurate information about Oromo history is because it depended on one-sided sources, especially from members or supporters of Oromo groups outside of Ethiopia (diaspora OLF, OFDM etc). But nobody can blame al Jazeera media because most people inside Ethiopia would be too scared to speak or contribute. The only option al Jazeera or any foreign media has is to use diaspora/refugee/external sources outside Ethiopia. This is a dilemma all foreign media outlets face while reporting about third-world countries like Ethiopia.

For educational purposes, some corrections are provided below to fix inaccuracies reported on al Jazeera media regarding Oromo history and our struggle for democracy. The corrections below are supported by non-political scholars, but they might be rejected by biased politicians (both from ruling party and from opposition party) for the obvious reasons. However, they are based on historical textbooks, European authors and scholarly accounts.



Fiction #1:

"Between 1868 and 1900, half of all Oromo were killed, around 5 million people"


Fact #1:
This is one of the most repeated inaccuracies, usually told by Secessionist Oromos, radical ethno-nationalist politicians outside the country or pro-OLF history revisionist websites like gadaa.com et al. However, the undisputed fact is that even the total Ethiopian population (the sum of dozens of ethnic groups) was much less than 5 million in the late 1800s, let alone one ethnic group being 10 million. So claiming that 5 million ethnic Oromos were killed by Emperor Menelik's forces does not add up. The truth is several thousand Oromos were in fact killed during battles of that era. It was not a "genocide" as some politicians claim but it was a massacre of the ill equipped southern forces defeated by the Shewan military of Emperor Menelik which had more European weapons. Throughout those decades, the truth is more Oromos were killed by other Oromos than by non-Oromos because competing Oromo Clans often traded for weapons to have an upper hand against their local competitors, who were often their fellow Oromo and Sidama neighbors. And it was not the first lop sided victory of that era in Africa because various communities from all corners of Ethiopia had attacked one another during the "resource battles" and whichever group had more modern weapons had the upper hand. To summarize, Professor Mengistu Paulos of Jimma University said it best when describing right-wing Oromo liberation philosophy:--


"Most fictional accounts of 'Oromo history' blindly accepted as facts by some misled people are manufactured by former politicians turned Pseudo-historians like OLF writer Asafa Jalata, who is renowned for abuse of paraphrasing, often with out-of-context citations. For example, while quoting the 19th century Russian Alexander Bulatovich (who provided an 'educated guess' of annihilation of almost half Ethiopian population by disease, famine and war, including internal conflict between Oromo clans and with Abyssinians), the OLF-writer Asafa Jalata infamously claimed half Oromo population was killed by 'evil' Amharas. This was purposely done by Mr. Jalata to create a foundation for ethnic hatred between Oromos and Amharas. Ironically, even Mr. Bulatovich himself never had the capacity nor the legitimacy to do a reliable census, as he spent just a couple of months walking around Oromia and hunting elephants in 1890s."



Fiction #2:

"…. largely Muslim Oromo people"


Fact #2:

This is a phrase seen in some media outlets but not most. Oromo people have never been a predominantly muslim people. In fact, both Christianity and Islam is not our ancestral religion because we have practiced an indigenous traditional religion for centuries before. Gradually, Islam and Christianity were both adopted (during Oromo migrations) by us and imposed (during conquest of our lands by Abyssinian/Christians & Somalis/Islam) on us thru out history. Even today, both the two major religions have equal representation among Oromos. The latest official 2007 census showed that around 48% of Oromos practice Christianity (Both Orthodox & Protestant) while around 47% of Oromos practice Islam. Yet, word on the ground is that the Islam population might soon surpass Christianity among Oromos in the future because Orthodox Christianity is decreasing inside Oromia.

Fiction #3

"Abyssinians labelled Oromos the derogatory word 'Galla'"

Fact #3:

For many decades, this false statement has been used by Oromo separatists to create emotional resentment among Oromos against Semitic Abyssinians (Amharas, Tigrayans and Gurages). The fact is the derogatory word "Galla" was first used by Arab and muslim Somalis to describe Oromos as "gal" meaning "outsiders" and "Pagans." Muslims used this label during Oromo migration because Oromo people had their own religion which the Muslims believed was paganism. Nonetheless, this derogatory word was gradually adopted and used by other Ethiopians.

Fiction #4:

"Oromos were colonized by Emperor Menelik"

Fact: #4

Another popular claim made by secessionist Oromo politicians (and usually repeated by foreign journalists) is the fiction that Oromo people (as a whole ethnic group) were colonized by another ethnic group. Usually, the slogan goes "Abyssinians colonized Oromos" etc. This claim is popular among the Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) organization and consequently among some Diaspora Oromo nationalists living in America and Europe. While a different version or a re-arrangement of the wording might still be true…in general, the Oromo nation as a whole was never colonized by another Ethiopian ethnic group. To start with, even a united one Oromo nation did not exist at those times. All non-political historical textbooks show the existence of battles between multi-ethnic BUT monolingual communities for many centuries through out Ethiopia. Even in northern Ethiopia (traditional "Abyssinia") Oromos have migrated and mixed so much with Tigrayans, Amharas, Afars etc for centuries that the "Abyssinia" state itself was never a one-ethnic state. In fact, even around the 1700s, Rayya Oromos and Yejju Wallo Oromos conquered and dominated a portion of Amharas and Tigrayans; and thus made Afan Oromo the official language of Abyssinia for that brief period. Meaning: clans and ethnic groups have mixed up in Ethiopia for over a millennium but the dominant ethnic group always imposed its language since it was convenient. This linguistic domination however was not always as exploitive and as vilified as it is today; because many of the ethnic groups living along trade centers and trade routes often spoke the languages of other ethnic groups already, because there was financial or commercial incentive to do so. This is the background of the region. Therefore, when it comes to the Emperor Menelik era, all historians have argued that it is more factual to say a predominantly Amharic language speaking community gradually conquered a predominantly Afan Oromo language speaking community in the 1800s. So this does not mean an Oromo ethnic group was conquered by an Amhara ethnic group. In fact, just like Amharas of the north were divided,Oromos were also divided and in conflict among themselves. The obvious evidence for this comes from the fact that the Amhara Emperor Menelik was imprisoned by other Amhara regional kings when he was younger. And when he was freed, Oromo clans were also in fierce battles amongst each other, so much so that the Tullama Oromo, Limmu and Macha Oromos created an alliance with the Shewan Amharas of Menelik, leading to the infamous battles of 1880s that led to this said alliance easily crushing the non-allied Oromos in various bloody wars. In short, Oromos as a one whole were never colonized by exclusively non-Oromos. In fact, the original founders of the OLF organization themselves never believed it so they did not emphasize the word "colonization" in the beginning. But in the mid-1970s, OLF leaders needed to mobilize Oromos against Emperor Haile Selassie (who was half Oromo himself) and to justify the call for "Oromia independence" from "colonial Ethiopia." Therefore OLF had to create a bad cop-good cop scenario for their convenience and simplified history for their people to create national resentment. This helped OLF to portray Oromos as suddenly being colonized by this foreign ethnic group (Amhara) that we (Oromos) have never came in contact with before. This is common tactic used by national liberation movements around the world. The truth that most Ethiopians know is that Shewa based Oromos and Amharas (ethnically mixed Ethiopians) were the main creators of modern Ethiopia. In his book "Who are the Shoans," the historian and anthropologist, Dr. Gerry Salole once summarized that: "In terms of descent, the group that became politically dominant in Shewa (and subsequently in Ethiopia) was a mixture of Amhara and Oromo."


In Conclusion, the above are 4 of the main issues that create confusion for foreign journalists who report on Oromo people and Oromo politics in Ethiopia. While it is vital that al Jazeera and other media outlets cover the current suffering of Oromos and other Ethiopians, it is necessary to report responsibly. Otherwise, creating confusion and resentment between the younger Ethiopian population causes more problems than solutions. In reality, not just Oromos, but all Ethiopians have suffered under several governments and the only way they can achieve freedom and lasting democracy is when united, not when divided by tribes or not when being polarized by historical lies presented as truth. It is important that foreign media outlets make corrections or report accurate information to avoid inflammatory statements that are destructive and counter productive against Oromos and all Ethiopian people' ongoing struggle for democracy, development and justice.



Feqadu Lamessa is a former Adama University professor and writer

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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Selam/ » 08 Jun 2022, 22:45

Ethiopian population back then was maximum 4 million.
Sadacha Macca wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 19:13
When did he call all Amhara's ''evil''? Where's your proof? Post it, otherwise, you're lying.

Asafa Jalata was quoting Martial de Salviac, a French traveler who stayed among the oromo for years upon years, both prior to, and after, the conquest of menelik... and he estimated that millions of oromo died as a result of the conquest and its consequences, which includes: the war of conquest, those who were starved, those who died of disease, those who fled as a result and didn't make it, etc

Here's the quote Asafa Jalata used, in a paper he wrote, entitled ''Gadaa Oromo Democracy: An Example of Classical African Civilization:

''According to Martial de Salviac (2005 [1901]: 350), ''With equal arms, the Abyssinian Emperor who never conquer an inch of land. With the power of firearms imported from Europe, Menelik began a murderous revenge.''
''The Abyssinian government massacred half of the Oromo population [5 out of 10 million] and their leadership during its colonial expansion [de Salviac, 2005 [1901]: 608, 278; Bulatovich, 2000: 66-68).
According to Alexander Bulatobich (2000: 68-69), ''The dreadful annihilation of more than half of the population during the conquest took away from the Oromo all possibilities of thinking about any sort of uprising .. Without a doubt, the Oromo, with their at least 5 million population, occupying the best land, all speaking one language, could represent a tremendous force if united.''

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