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Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Dama » 27 Oct 2025, 11:41

1. Debunked the Eritrea origin of Gurage
2. Profs. Getahun Delibo, Bernall and Amde Seyon quoted for proof that Gurage are indigenous to thier land.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17eYoSAqWj/

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Horus » 27 Oct 2025, 12:10

Dama wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 11:41
1. Debunked the Eritrea origin of Gurage
2. Profs. Getahun Delibo, Bernall and Amde Seyon quoted for proof that Gurage are indigenous to thier land.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17eYoSAqWj/
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ለማስተላለፍ ያሰብከው ነገር ምን እንደ ሆነ ባላውቅም የጉራጌ ሕዝብ ታሪክም እንደ ቀረው የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ታሪክ በአፈ ታሪክ ፣ በተረት ፣ በመሰለኝ መላምት የተሸፋፈነ ሆኖ ኖሮዋል ። እኔ በግሌ አንድም ቀን ጉራጌ ጉራ ከተባለ አከለ ጉዛይ መጣ የሚለውን ተቀብዬ አላውቅም ምክ ኛቱን ይህን ሃሳብ የፈጠሩት አለቃ ታየ ጉራጌን በፍጹም የማያውቁ ቋንቋውን ያልተናገሩ ፣ ሕዝቡን ያላጠኑ በስመነጋ መላምት ያሰራጩ ስለሆነ ነው ። ሕዝቡ የራሱን ታሪክ በትውፊት ሲተርክ ከየለያየ ምንጭ እንደ መጡ ይተርካሉ ።

ዛሬ ላይ ይህ ሁሉ ክርክር ሳይንስ ፉርሽ እያደረገው ነው ። አንዱ ሳይንሳዊ የቋንቋ ምርምርና እውቀት ሲሆን ፣ ሌላው የሂውማን ጂኖም ካራና በዲ ኤን ኤ ላይ የቆመ ሳይንሳዊ የሕዝባች ዝርያ ምን እንደ ሆነ ስለተረጋገጠ ነው ። የጉራጌኛ የሴም ቋንቋ እራሱን የቻለ ጥንታዊ የሴም ቋንቋ እንደ ሆነ እየተረጋገጠ ነው። የጉራጌ ዲ ኤን ኤ እንዲሁ ከየትም ያልመጣ ጥንታዊ ሕዝብ እንደ ሆነ እየተረጋገጠ ነው ።

ይህ የሳይስ ግኝት ፕሮፌሰር ማርቲን በርናል ብሎት ከነበረው የጉራጌ ቋንቋ ምንነት ጋር አንድ ነው። ጉራጌ አሁን ባለነት ቦታ የተከሰተው የዛሬ 3 ሺ አመት ነው ። ዲ ኤን ኤውም 50% አፍሪካዊ ሲሆን 50% ኤሲያዊና አውሮፓዊ ነው። ይህ ሳይንስ ነው ፣ አፈታሪክ አይደልም።
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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Odie » 27 Oct 2025, 12:29

Dama wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 11:41
1. Debunked the Eritrea origin of Gurage
2. Profs. Getahun Delibo, Bernall and Amde Seyon quoted for proof that Gurage are indigenous to thier land.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17eYoSAqWj/
Before many of us came to Addis, as a Gurage, unfortunately, nobody knew Sodo was even a Gurage. Sodo was mostly in Merkato and its environs whereas the rest of Gurage could be in Merkato and everywhere too. Now look at from the webpage you linked what they are writing.

"በኢትዮጵያ የታሪክ ምርምር በአብዛኛው የጉራጌ ህዝብ መነሻ በተመለከተ ብዙ ሀሳቦች ቢኖሩም በአመዛኙ የሚታመነው ከ1314ዓ.ም እስከ 1344ዓ.ም በአፄ አምደፅዮን ዘመነ መንግስት ከወደ ኤርትራ አካለ ጉዛይ የሚባል አካባቢ ተነስቶ አይመለል ላይ እንደሰፈረ ነው። በርግጥ በጠቅላላው የጉራጌ ምድር በጥንት ዘመን አይመለል ተብሎ ይጠራ እንደነበር የሚታወቅ ሀቅ ነው።"

That is a very unilateral assertion and I don't believe all Gurage will agree to this. The only time I learned about aymelel to be frank with you is on this forum when you guys were discussing. Call me ignorant, I don't mind. As far as I grew among Gurage, never heard the name aymelel being as all Gurage name. Also if Kistane or the Hoe-rus people came from Eritrea, he should trace his root and stop bashing Eritrea on this forum. Now he bent gala to manhandle him but telling us he came from Eritrea :lol:
That is why I hate Hoe-rus and his mnions because they concider the highest form of Gurage and want to represent the whole Gurage. That is straight thievery and should stop. When they work out in Addis with the Gala in Adabna they represent themselves. The rest of Gurage has no Adabna :lol:

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Dama » 27 Oct 2025, 12:31

Horus wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:10
Dama wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 11:41
1. Debunked the Eritrea origin of Gurage
2. Profs. Getahun Delibo, Bernall and Amde Seyon quoted for proof that Gurage are indigenous to thier land.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17eYoSAqWj/
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ለማስተላለፍ ያሰብከው ነገር ምን እንደ ሆነ ባላውቅም የጉራጌ ሕዝብ ታሪክም እንደ ቀረው የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ታሪክ በአፈ ታሪክ ፣ በተረት ፣ በመሰለኝ መላምት የተሸፋፈነ ሆኖ ኖሮዋል ። እኔ በግሌ አንድም ቀን ጉራጌ ጉራ ከተባለ አከለ ጉዛይ መጣ የሚለውን ተቀብዬ አላውቅም ምክ ኛቱን ይህን ሃሳብ የፈጠሩት አለቃ ታየ ጉራጌን በፍጹም የማያውቁ ቋንቋውን ያልተናገሩ ፣ ሕዝቡን ያላጠኑ በስመነጋ መላምት ያሰራጩ ስለሆነ ነው ። ሕዝቡ የራሱን ታሪክ በትውፊት ሲተርክ ከየለያየ ምንጭ እንደ መጡ ይተርካሉ ።

ዛሬ ላይ ይህ ሁሉ ክርክር ሳይንስ ፉርሽ እያደረገው ነው ። አንዱ ሳይንሳዊ የቋንቋ ምርምርና እውቀት ሲሆን ፣ ሌላው የሂውማን ጂኖም ካራና በዲ ኤን ኤ ላይ የቆመ ሳይንሳዊ የሕዝባች ዝርያ ምን እንደ ሆነ ስለተረጋገጠ ነው ። የጉራጌኛ የሴም ቋንቋ እራሱን የቻለ ጥንታዊ የሴም ቋንቋ እንደ ሆነ እየተረጋገጠ ነው። የጉራጌ ዲ ኤን ኤ እንዲሁ ከየትም ያልመጣ ጥንታዊ ሕዝብ እንደ ሆነ እየተረጋገጠ ነው ።

ይህ የሳይስ ግኝት ፕሮፌሰር ማርቲን በርናል ብሎት ከነበረው የጉራጌ ቋንቋ ምንነት ጋር አንድ ነው። ጉራጌ አሁን ባለነት ቦታ የተከሰተው የዛሬ 3 ሺ አመት ነው ። ዲ ኤን ኤውም 50% አፍሪካዊ ሲሆን 50% ኤሲያዊና አውሮፓዊ ነው። ይህ ሳይንስ ነው ፣ አፈታሪክ አይደልም።
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The group that discussed this topic acknowledged that some migrations into Gurage took place. But, this is just a footnote to Gurage history.

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Abere » 27 Oct 2025, 12:42

Odie,

Huresa checked every box that Gurage came from all over the world. :lol:
"50% ኤሲያዊና አውሮፓዊ ነው።" Assigning equal probability, Huresa claims 25% Gurage came from Europe, may Ireland, Scotland, Sweden etc. This crazy does not what he is posting. He is deliberately mystifying Gurage so that his Sodo Oromo would make a solid and bold claim that the land is theirs.

Not just my instinct but informed by all his fake statement ans cautious Orommuma move Huresa is a non-Gurage Orommuma stalking at Gurage, a population as equal in number as Tigre/Tigrawi or Somale. Albiet, Sodo Gordena Fekadu-Gedamu sold down the Gurage to Meles Zenawi so as to make Tigray the fake 3rd populous region.

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Horus » 27 Oct 2025, 12:52

ፕሮፌሰር ሌስላው እና ሀርፅ የጉራጌ ቋንቁን ሲያጠኑ ከ10 በላይ እስከ 17 ዲያሊክት አለው ነበር ያሉት ። መበሰረቱ ይህ ትክክል ነው። የጉራጌ ጎሳዎች ብዛት ከዚያም በላይ ስለሆነ። አንድ ሕዝብ ደሞ በ10 እና 15 ቋንቋዎች ለመከፋፈል እጅግ ለረጅም ዘመን መኖር ብቻ ሳይሆን እጅግ ሰፊ ፊኦግራፊ ላይ ተበትኖ ተለያይቶ መኖር አለበት ። አብረው የሚኖሩ ሕዝቦች አዳዲስ ዲያሌክት በፍጹም አይፈጥሩም ። አብረው የነበሩ ሕዝቦች በቦታ ተበትነው ተራርቀው ሲኖሩ ነው በዲያሌክት የሚለያዩት ። በሌላ በኩል በተለያየ አገር ይኖሩ የነበሩ ጉራጌዎች አይደሉም በመሃል ኢትዮጵያ ተሰብስበው 15 ዲያሌክ የፈጠሩት! ትክክለኛው ሳይንስ ከአንድ ምንጭ ተነስተው አንድ ቋንቋ ተናግረው በዘመን ርዝመት ሰፊ ምድር ላይ ተበታትነው በዚያም ሳቢያ ቋንቋቸው በዲያሌክት ተልያየ የሚለው ነው ትክክል።

አይደለም የተለያዩት የጉራጌ ጎሳዎችና ዲያሌክቶ እራሱ እዚህ የተጠቀሰው ራስ ጎበና የሚጠራው በጉራጌኛ (ክስታኔኛ) ቃል ነው። ጎበና ገብና ማለት ነው። ገብና የክስታኔኛ ተራ ቃል ነው ። አዋቂ ስነ ምግባር ያለው ማለት ነው። ግብረ ገብና (ግብረ ገብ) የምንለው ነው ። ዛሬ አንዱን ኦሮሞ ጎበና ምን ማለት ነው ብትለው አያውቀውም!
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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Misraq » 27 Oct 2025, 12:53

ሶዶው ሁሬሳ ዘር ማንዘሮቹ እንደ ጦጣ ከዛፍ ወደ ዛፍ እየዞሩ ቅጠል ሲመገቡ ኖረው አማራ ክርስትና አጥምቆ ክስታኔ ብሎ ሰየማቸው። ኽዛም ጋላ ወረራቸውና ገባር አደረጋቸው። አሁን የጋላ እግር አጣቢ ሆነው ጌታቸውን ለማስደሰት አማራ ላይ ያቀረሺሉ። የሚገርመው ጋላም ሶዶም ፅሁፍ የሚባል ባህልን እና እውቀትን እስከ ቅርብ ጊዜ አያውቁትም። በእውቀትና በትውፊት ደሃ የሆነ ማህበረሰብ ደግሞ ባለው ላይ እጅግ ይቀናል። ሁሬሳ አማራ ላይ የተነሳው ድንክ መሆኑን ስለተረዳ ነው።

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Horus » 27 Oct 2025, 12:58

Abere wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:42
Odie,

Huresa checked every box that Gurage came from all over the world. :lol:
"50% ኤሲያዊና አውሮፓዊ ነው።" Assigning equal probability, Huresa claims 25% Gurage came from Europe, may Ireland, Scotland, Sweden etc. This crazy does not what he is posting. He is deliberately mystifying Gurage so that his Sodo Oromo would make a solid and bold claim that the land is theirs.

Not just my instinct but informed by all his fake statement ans cautious Orommuma move Huresa is a non-Gurage Orommuma stalking at Gurage, a population as equal in number as Tigre/Tigrawi or Somale. Albiet, Sodo Gordena Fekadu-Gedamu sold down the Gurage to Meles Zenawi so as to make Tigray the fake 3rd populous region.
አበረ ምትባል ከእውቀት ነጻ የሆንክ ፍጡር!!! አንተና the human genome mapping & DNA based genealogy የማትተዋወቁ ስለሆነ እዚህ የፖለቲካው ቲክ ቶክ ሰፈር ብትቆይ ያምርብሃል!

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Dama » 27 Oct 2025, 13:18

Odie wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:29
Dama wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 11:41
1. Debunked the Eritrea origin of Gurage
2. Profs. Getahun Delibo, Bernall and Amde Seyon quoted for proof that Gurage are indigenous to thier land.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17eYoSAqWj/
Before many of us came to Addis, as a Gurage, unfortunately, nobody knew Sodo was even a Gurage. Sodo was mostly in Merkato and its environs whereas the rest of Gurage could be in Merkato and everywhere too. Now look at from the webpage you linked what they are writing.

"በኢትዮጵያ የታሪክ ምርምር በአብዛኛው የጉራጌ ህዝብ መነሻ በተመለከተ ብዙ ሀሳቦች ቢኖሩም በአመዛኙ የሚታመነው ከ1314ዓ.ም እስከ 1344ዓ.ም በአፄ አምደፅዮን ዘመነ መንግስት ከወደ ኤርትራ አካለ ጉዛይ የሚባል አካባቢ ተነስቶ አይመለል ላይ እንደሰፈረ ነው። በርግጥ በጠቅላላው የጉራጌ ምድር በጥንት ዘመን አይመለል ተብሎ ይጠራ እንደነበር የሚታወቅ ሀቅ ነው።"

That is a very unilateral assertion and I don't believe all Gurage will agree to this. The only time I learned about aymelel to be frank with you is on this forum when you guys were discussing. Call me ignorant, I don't mind. As far as I grew among Gurage, never heard the name aymelel being as all Gurage name. Also if Kistane or the Hoe-rus people came from Eritrea, he should trace his root and stop bashing Eritrea on this forum. Now he bent gala to manhandle him but telling us he came from Eritrea :lol:
That is why I hate Hoe-rus and his mnions because they concider the highest form of Gurage and want to represent the whole Gurage. That is straight thievery and should stop. When they work out in Addis with the Gala in Adabna they represent themselves. The rest of Gurage has no Adabna :lol:
All true. Not your fault. It's all due Ethiopia's as well as Gurage's low level of education and media development. It is also due to an indvidual's area of specialization. For example, a farmer, a trader, a scientist or an engineer have little to no access or time for history, linguistics or anthropoligy. All that is is changing due to new technologies in information science. Anyone can search the internet for Gurage history and learn.

The one paragraph you quoted was by the FB owner. Obvuoisly, he repeated the unfounded assertion that Gurage came from Gura Eritrea. In the comment sectiotion, participants debunked this false history and quoted Profs. Delibo and Bernall as well as Amde Seyons chronicles on how he fought the Gurages.

Help yourself with the comment section.

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Re: Separatist Kistanes talk about history of Gurage...informative

Post by Abere » 27 Oct 2025, 16:31

ለምን ስለምታውቀው ማንነትህ አመጣጥ ( አዝጋሚ ለውጥ) አታስረዳም፡ ስለማታውቀው ጉራጌ ከምትቀደድ። አንተ ከወዲያኛው ዓለም ከተጣሉት (the the fallen / the giants from the extraterrestrial? ዝርያዎች DNA አለህ እንዴ? :mrgreen: The giants slept with human beings and gave birth of monsters who ate their parents, performed se>x with all animals. This is exactly what your Sodo Orommuma doing, cutting breasts, burning /roasting people, eating fetus.
Horus wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:58
Abere wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 12:42
Odie,

Huresa checked every box that Gurage came from all over the world. :lol:
"50% ኤሲያዊና አውሮፓዊ ነው።" Assigning equal probability, Huresa claims 25% Gurage came from Europe, may Ireland, Scotland, Sweden etc. This crazy does not what he is posting. He is deliberately mystifying Gurage so that his Sodo Oromo would make a solid and bold claim that the land is theirs.

Not just my instinct but informed by all his fake statement ans cautious Orommuma move Huresa is a non-Gurage Orommuma stalking at Gurage, a population as equal in number as Tigre/Tigrawi or Somale. Albiet, Sodo Gordena Fekadu-Gedamu sold down the Gurage to Meles Zenawi so as to make Tigray the fake 3rd populous region.
አበረ ምትባል ከእውቀት ነጻ የሆንክ ፍጡር!!! አንተና the human genome mapping & DNA based genealogy የማትተዋወቁ ስለሆነ እዚህ የፖለቲካው ቲክ ቶክ ሰፈር ብትቆይ ያምርብሃል!

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