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[Odie]

The Oromuma may feel gurage is their butler because of geographic proximity, to some extent, cultural mix as in any boardered ethnics in Ethiopia. There may be interethnic marriage which is not an exception to the two as many ethnics in the country are intrermarried where opportunity exists.
That did not mean gurage and Oromo as ethnic are in love affair. Some may remember hearing a smuggled tape how the Oromuma thugs planned to control Gurage PP politicians to stop them from any cooperation with the northerners, especially with Amhara opposition. Many of the Gurage PP politicians are Oromuma supporters like their Amhara and other ethnic equivalents any way.

Some leaders of the opposition from e-ዜማ even from PP and those supporting Gurage kilil question are some killed or are still in prison. PP successfully shot down the Gurage kilil question after buying out supporters and providing projects, I suspect, in areas that are close to Addis. That does not mean all Gurage support PP, not at all. Not at will.
Those of you who erroneously state the evil PM has Gurage root is another indefensible stupid assertion. Show us his birth certificate and redeem yourself.

Infact the only ethnic Oromuma wants to commit ethnic cleansing on, next to Amhara is on Gurage.

Gurage is in Addis and bordered with Oromo. In either case gurage carries the brunt of atrocity. Since gurage for whatever reason supports the unity of the country, it has been and is the target of hate of from Ethiopia hating Eritreans, Oromos and Tigrians. Actually as you might have heard some of the hate speech from Oromo extremists is because of the assertion that gurage supports fano.

In my opinion the Gurage value system about Ethiopia is quite an opposite to Oromo extremists and won’t make an alliance.

Those of you who even cannot understand a simple logical reasoning, don’t project hate to all gurage, Tigre or even Eritreans.
My openion is, it is time Gurage should stand up and assert itself to protect its interests in Ethiopia. This may include organizing the youth including arming for self defence as there for sure may be a vacuum if the central power succumbs due to its own predicaments. As well as to defend its livelihood from organized terrorists such as OLA. Gurage should teach historical facts to its youth including facts of land confiscated from Gurage, specially during Oromo invasion and subsequently. They should assert for recognition and return of those lands whenever feasible.

[Right]

It is true that generalization of any ethnic group based on the actions of selective members of those ethnic group is wrong.

But after the last visit of Gurage Zone by Abiye the clown things has changed. let us face the truth the Guraghies have been fighting the PP prior to the visit but for a different reason. For securing killil rights for their enclave but nothing else. If any individual, groups, religious institute from the Gurage zone who raised or protested or suggested to the PP government for getting rid off the ethnic constitution or for any significant change, please bring it up here and let us hear it.
The rest is noise. It is always demanding freedom and safety with the blood of others.

[Odie]

Right,

You have no idea about the dynamics of Gurage.
There is a lot of regions and divisions in gurage.
There are individuals among gurage. For example I am one of them. I don’t even want to visit that bloody country until new system dawns.

Also, I guess by now you understand how the ruling system holds people hostage even for making daily living. You remember how Derg was holding people hostage through delivery of goods via kebele system!

The same question for Addis Ababans. When they destroy their house why don’t they get up and stand? Unfortunately some benefit from supporting the system. Amharas, gurage, Tigre ….all ethnics are enablers of the system. Untill a certain critical point is reached people may not rise. Also our people are fragmented by ethnic line and corruption. Let alone the gurage people with multiple dialects, multiple regions, us in diaspora have divisions, Amhara has divisions, now even Tigre has divisions and Oromos have divisions too-most extremist Oromo elements don’t support OPDO.

Of course the ethnics that receive the brunt of the oppression may have to stand up first to save themselves and perhaps organize others to THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE.

Our problem is multifaceted that requires multidimensional solution. We won’t go anywhere if we pick on one another.
Expecting gurages, that have their own predicaments like any other ethnics, to rise by themselves at once is unreasonable expectation. There is not even an easy way to bring in a single rifle to the gurage region without being caught let a line to have a fighting ground as it is center.
Also don’t discredit those gurage that are supporting Fano the way they can because they are not going to speak it out on trash forum like this full of filthy people and spies!

And saying gurage as a group supports PP because few people on a forum or elsewhere stand by PP is still overgeneralization and infact dangerous. I as a gurage does not know how this conclusion has been reached. Is it because of a single forummer? Single person birhanu nega, while more Amhara are in Abiy gov than gurage? Is it bs Sodo-jiddah people who say they are not gurage danced gurage style at Ireecha? or bs some investors for their advantage supported the system? That does not lend for rational conclusion. There are gurage still rotting in Abiy’s prison .

[Right]

And saying gurage as a group supports PP because few people on a forum or elsewhere stand by PP is still overgeneralization and infact dangerous

Absolutely. Wrong and dangerous. We said things that stands against our interests out of frustration.
The Guraghies like the rest of Ethiopians are humans first. The rest is a label for the unconscious.

[Odie]

And saying gurage as a group supports PP because few people on a forum or elsewhere stand by PP is still overgeneralization and infact dangerous

Absolutely. Wrong and dangerous. We said things that stands against our interests out of frustration.
The Guraghies like the rest of Ethiopians are humans first. The rest is a label for the unconscious.

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The best way forward, specially diaspora, let’s concur the current regime is neither on the interest of our people, our country or us and work hard together to put the pressure on and get what is best for majority. Let whoever falls behind falls behind and us keep going!
Thanks a lot!

[Dark Energy]

You served three masters so far. The Weyanes, the amharas and the Gallalus. Your Guragie behind is opportunistic. That is very dangerous when your population size is less than 3%.

[wubebereha]

good discussion.
Odie don't you think the silence of the Gurage elite towards the action of the traitor Birhanu nega bonga, Girma seifu and other opportunists like them can be rightly or wrongly interpreted as sympathizers of the OPDO government.

[Odie]

You served three masters so far. The Weyanes, the amharas and the Gallalus. Your Guragie behind is opportunistic. That is very dangerous when your population size is less than 3%.

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Major idiot
You don’t know anything
Better shut up!

[Odie]

good discussion.
Odie don't you think the silence of the Gurage elite towards the action of the traitor Birhanu nega bonga, Girma seifu and other opportunists like them can be rightly or wrongly interpreted as sympathizers of the OPDO government.

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Wubebereha,
Birhanu nega grew up in a place mostly Oromo. His root I guess is from Muher gurage. His family may be rich with assets and probably as you might know he might have invested in something in this regime too. Dont be surprised if rich people play game with each regime to keep their assets grow. Rich people of each ethnic will behave as if supporting the regime but if they get the opportunity they could financially help groups such as Fano behind the scene. Government may use them for money too. They may have to play it safe both ways untill the balance changes. TPLF had a lot of support in cities, business, military and in government sitting in the center who helped TPLF bring down Derg. I don’t think it is fair to expect them take a risk right away and reveal themselves. Except the brave man Worku Aytenew no one did that. Resigning and self unmasking (leaving the country) is a better thing to be done by big shots ( minsters, generals, security people working with the baboons) in regime office than ordinary people or business people. There are many other ways they can play a role.
Birhanu did not even go for election to gurage region. How can he be gurage to begin with? Addis Ababans did not elect him. The Amhara chased him when he went to their region for a meeting. He and zemene fell out long before. He is by himself likely standing for power and name at old age. He is not your ordinary politician if you see his history. Some one may follow his ambition, not mine or yours. There are a lot of them like him, Belete mika, lidetu, Girma. Useless orators. Did Birhanu visit diaspora since he hooked up as a friend ( not really accepting everything going on) with Abiy? And Birhanu and Alemayehu dirty liberals may still with slight chance absurdly believe Abiy was democratically elected and playing democracy rule of play to wait and see next election despite genocide and atrocity going on.

Also the fano supporters don’t appear catching pace with the changing ethiopian society dynamics. You have to have a surpassing ideology to win the the political land scape, in the age of social media revolution, the fact everybody now can badmouth opinion on internet. The country has obviously changed. People are sensitized too much about ethnic politics and became self aware. We can not imagine to be fruitful with old ideologies. Also extremism has taken its toll. We have among us the golden tribe Tigre ideologists, the gurage self identity extremist, the amhara self sufficient extremism, of course the Oromuma baboons have always been there. All these groups create traction and confusion interfering with progress in achieving freedom. Where is the student protest and revolution we used to know? that has probably feasiled out due to ethnic line thinking. So, even in one ethnics there is not [deleted]. I don’t know girma in detail except his much ado blabber on writing and talking. Last time he said Amhara does not have የህልውና ጥያቄ ( too bad and typical abiy benefiter; birhanu kind of said no genocide on northerners, alas!).

The gurage kilil question which was supported by all gurage including those in PP administration in the region was shot down likely because PP devided them. I suspect the north and north east Gurage like close to Addis such as Butajira, those close to Oromo region colluded with PP because PP likely gave them economic advantage. Also, each region may have competition in forging out unitary language as gurage region has dialect difference, despite the defensive idea they are one. See what the Dama person posts about gurage on this forum. There are facts in his posts except he is muslim extremist, christian and Amhara hater.

The diaspora does not think with clear mind, flip flops, still gets tripped by abiy due to investment ሱካር and bribing.

Fano better unite and find a strong leader of the time.
Diaspora should burry the Birhanu Nega mantra. He is gone forever, I believe

[Jikaar]

You served three masters so far. The Weyanes, the amharas and the Gallalus. Your Guragie behind is opportunistic. That is very dangerous when your population size is less than 3%.

Why you should pick the smallest. That's cowardness. The game of thrones is between the largest ethnic groups. You the big guys have to kill each an other if you want. The gurages are not wrong to take advantage of the rivalry.

[Dama]

You served three masters so far. The Weyanes, the amharas and the Gallalus. Your Guragie behind is opportunistic. That is very dangerous when your population size is less than 3%.

Why you should pick the smallest. That's cowardness. The game of thrones is between the largest ethnic groups. You the big guys have to kill each an other if you want. The gurages are not wrong to take advantage of the rivalry.

You like Horus for supporting your Somaliland independence. You like attacking his ethnic group. Something is amiss.

[wubebereha]

good discussion.
Odie don't you think the silence of the Gurage elite towards the action of the traitor Birhanu nega bonga, Girma seifu and other opportunists like them can be rightly or wrongly interpreted as sympathizers of the OPDO government.

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Wubebereha,
Birhanu nega grew up in a place mostly Oromo. His root I guess is from Muher gurage. His family may be rich with assets and probably as you might know he might have invested in something in this regime too. Dont be surprised if rich people play game with each regime to keep their assets grow. Rich people of each ethnic will behave as if supporting the regime but if they get the opportunity they could financially help groups such as Fano behind the scene. Government may use them for money too. They may have to play it safe both ways untill the balance changes. TPLF had a lot of support in cities, business, military and in government sitting in the center who helped TPLF bring down Derg. I don’t think it is fair to expect them take a risk right away and reveal themselves. Except the brave man Worku Aytenew no one did that. Resigning and self unmasking (leaving the country) is a better thing to be done by big shots ( minsters, generals, security people working with the baboons) in regime office than ordinary people or business people. There are many other ways they can play a role.
Birhanu did not even go for election to gurage region. How can he be gurage to begin with? Addis Ababans did not elect him. The Amhara chased him when he went to their region for a meeting. He and zemene fell out long before. He is by himself likely standing for power and name at old age. He is not your ordinary politician if you see his history. Some one may follow his ambition, not mine or yours. There are a lot of them like him, Belete mika, lidetu, Girma. Useless orators. Did Birhanu visit diaspora since he hooked up as a friend ( not really accepting everything going on) with Abiy? And Birhanu and Alemayehu dirty liberals may still with slight chance absurdly believe Abiy was democratically elected and playing democracy rule of play to wait and see next election despite genocide and atrocity going on.

Fano better unite and find a strong leader of the time.
Diaspora should burry the Birhanu Nega mantra. He is gone forever, I believe

Odie, I think Birhanu's close collaboration with the apartheid government has more to do with his long held ideology and tribal affiliation/alignment with the Oromumma group than personal financial gain. of course he is using his position to help many of his relatives and close friends to get unfair business deals, but personally the Professor is well off. but I still think the Guraghe elites are too silent and even supportive when it comes to their own sellout boys such as Birhanu.

[Odie]

If you could answer this probably Birhanu's position could be a bit understood.

Why has Taye Atske Selassie, purportedly Amhara, accepted the position of president of Ethiopia when Abiy is committing atrocities on Amhara?

Pretty much same scenario except that diaspora expected Birhanu to do better based on his past ideology, the trust and connection they had with him.

When individuals consider ministerial or high office positions, they may have a feeling they may lift the status of their family/tribe. They take it as kind of status or honor to themselves/their family/even tribe. Birhanu may not have been expected to be that low. Instead, he would have been expected to serve his country and the public with his position but that did not happen.

That is as much as I can say. I was not, am not a supporter of Birhanu and don't know him in person. My synthesis was based on my reading, what I heard, saw as well as my feeling.

In any case, assuming Gurage supports Birhanu's position, the Gurage elites support Birhanu and PP is a useless mantra, overgeneralization and oversimplification of the truth. It is outright dangerous.

If Abiy and Gurage elites were colluding, Gurage would have been kilil by now and a lot of Gurage would not have been expressing their disappointment of what happened in Merkato. A lot of Gurage prisoners should also have been released. Remember, the Oromuma is encroaching on Gurage territory at the boarders and killing Gurage people.

I don't think I could twist any bodies skewed/biased thinking at this point, especially if someone has a pre-assumed position.

Cheers.

[wubebereha]

If you could answer this probably Birhanu's position could be a bit understood.

Why has Taye Atske Selassie, purportedly Amhara, accepted the position of president of Ethiopia when Abiy is committing atrocities on Amhara?

Pretty much same scenario except that diaspora expected Birhanu to do better based on his past ideology, the trust and connection they had with him.

When individuals consider ministerial or high office positions, they may have a feeling they may lift the status of their family/tribe. They take it as kind of status or honor to themselves/their family/even tribe. Birhanu may not have been expected to be that low. Instead, he would have been expected to serve his country and the public with his position but that did not happen.

That is as much as I can say. I was not, am not a supporter of Birhanu and don't know him in person. My synthesis was based on my reading, what I heard, saw as well as my feeling.

In any case, assuming Gurage supports Birhanu's position, the Gurage elites support Birhanu and PP is a useless mantra, overgeneralization and oversimplification of the truth. It is outright dangerous.

If Abiy and Gurage elites were colluding, Gurage would have been kilil by now and a lot of Gurage would not have been expressing their disappointment of what happened in Merkato. A lot of Gurage prisoners should also have been released. Remember, the Oromuma is encroaching on Gurage territory at the boarders and killing Gurage people.

I don't think I could twist any bodies skewed/biased thinking at this point, especially if someone has a pre-assumed position.

Cheers.

I don't think you can compare Taye who served all past rulers with Birhanu. but even then, the Amaras are fighting, sacrificing their lives to bring him and his likes to justice, so what more can they do. and i think you misunderstood me or deliberately twisting my comment when you wrongly infer that i believe guraghe support this regime. I don't!!

[Odie]

Sure, I understand.

Even then, if I were Taye or any one of the Amhara elites in this regime or even Birhanu, I would not serve this regime. It is a matter of conscience. You don't serve a regime that says it represents (hegemony) one ethnic in a country of 85 ethnics and committing ethnic cleansing or genocide on a particular group to upkeep its power.

It is a no no No rationalization.

[Jikaar]

You served three masters so far. The Weyanes, the amharas and the Gallalus. Your Guragie behind is opportunistic. That is very dangerous when your population size is less than 3%.

Why you should pick the smallest. That's cowardness. The game of thrones is between the largest ethnic groups. You the big guys have to kill each an other if you want. The gurages are not wrong to take advantage of the rivalry.

You like Horus for supporting your Somaliland independence. You like attacking his ethnic group. Something is amiss.

I suspect that guy works for the Ethiopian government. All his agendas are political. He seems to me as an Ethiopian nationalist something thats rare in this cursed country of Ethiopia.

In our Somali culture we rarely pick the smallest clans. Actually they kill the big guys , and they mostly get away with their crimes because they are well protected by the society.

I wish the Ethiopians to have similar culture. We somalis have general perception that gurages are trustable business minded people. No body have the reason to attack them. Why would you kill a gurage minding his business ?

[Somaliman]

We somalis have general perception that gurages are trustable business minded people.

Why do you keep shying away from admitting that you're from the Somali kilil in Ethiopia!

You should have said, we Somalis from the fifth kilil of Ethiopia, as 99% of the people from Somalia including Somaliland have no idea what's or who the fuc'k Gurage is.

In fact, it was only since 2007 that many Somalis had heard of Tigray, as about 99% didn't hear of Tigray prior to the collapse of the central government led by Siad Barre. To date, the vast majority of Somalis call all Ethiopians Amhara, as they're the same fuc'kers after all regardless of their fuc'king ethic backgrounds.

[Odie]

We somalis have general perception that gurages are trustable business minded people.

Why do you keep shying away from admitting that you're from the Somali kilil in Ethiopia!

You should have said, we Somalis from the fifth kilil of Ethiopia, as 99% of the people from Somalia including Somaliland have no idea what's or who the fuc'k Gurage is.

In fact, it was only since 2007 that many Somalis had heard of Tigray, as about 99% didn't hear of Tigray prior to the collapse of the central government led by Siad Barre. To date, the vast majority of Somalis call all Ethiopians Amhara, as they're the same fuc'kers after all regardless of their fuc'king ethic backgrounds.

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Big and bad mouthed (Kafir) Zoomalimam,

Jakar spoke the truth.
Gurage mind their business and mostly peaceful people.
No gurage cares what is going in with somalia unless that person is in political circle or politically motivated. Gurage would do business and live among u sharing your values and be part of you during your problem. Not crocked.
It is the unhinged galla who are operating the current regime and who started game with somalia-somaliland. However, you bash all gurage all the time all ethiopians all the time and you bend your ars@e to shabeans as a result of which everybody has to nibble you, both galla and their oppositions. Next time if you are shrewed enough, identify who is your direct and indirect allies and respond accordingly

[Jikaar]

We somalis have general perception that gurages are trustable business minded people.

Why do you keep shying away from admitting that you're from the Somali kilil in Ethiopia!

You should have said, we Somalis from the fifth kilil of Ethiopia, as 99% of the people from Somalia including Somaliland have no idea what's or who the fuc'k Gurage is.

In fact, it was only since 2007 that many Somalis had heard of Tigray, as about 99% didn't hear of Tigray prior to the collapse of the central government led by Siad Barre. To date, the vast majority of Somalis call all Ethiopians Amhara, as they're the same fuc'kers after all regardless of their fuc'king ethic backgrounds.

Personally I know dozens of different Ethiopians. I live in a multicultural European city even my girlfriend was amhara. In my environment I see no defference between a Somali , Ethiopian, Eritrean or sudanis. I consider them all as my brothers.