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ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Hawzen » 31 Mar 2023, 18:54


A group of individuals can order the massacre of over three thousands of federal soldiers while sleeping and then the very same criminals who ordered the slaughter can roam in the capital city freely .... This is just incredible. I just feel so terrible sad for the families of the soldiers who were slaughtered by TPLF criminals :oops: :oops: :oops:



I just hope that the federal government is working a set-up to neutralize these evil people one by one :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by DefendTheTruth » 31 Mar 2023, 19:38

Hawzen wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 18:54

A group of individuals can order the massacre of over three thousands of federal soldiers while sleeping and then the very same criminals who ordered the slaughter can roam in the capital city freely .... This is just incredible. I just feel so terrible sad for the families of the soldiers who were slaughtered by TPLF criminals :oops: :oops: :oops:

I just hope that the federal government is working a set-up to neutralize these evil people one by one :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dedebit is always dedeb
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Yes, it is sad, indeed a tragedy, the lose of the life of even an individual is not an easy thing to come into terms with, let alone the lives of so many precious people, who were defenders of the nation.

But then Ethiopia (its government) has the responsibility of protecting all of its citizens, which is the overriding responsibility of a government of the people.

You can't punish the whole people for the crime of the "group of individuals" you are talking about here, simply because protecting the people has the overriding priority over punishing the criminals.

You have to compromise, the art of doing politics.

Those who can't compromise have produced the world's perhaps highest level of refugees per capita, even after they have declared to have won their freedom after 30 years of fight, finally. Isn't that more incredible? In my view it is!

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Fiyameta » 31 Mar 2023, 20:46

DefendTheTruth wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 19:38
Hawzen wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 18:54

A group of individuals can order the massacre of over three thousands of federal soldiers while sleeping and then the very same criminals who ordered the slaughter can roam in the capital city freely .... This is just incredible. I just feel so terrible sad for the families of the soldiers who were slaughtered by TPLF criminals :oops: :oops: :oops:

I just hope that the federal government is working a set-up to neutralize these evil people one by one :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dedebit is always dedeb
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Yes, it is sad, indeed a tragedy, the lose of the life of even an individual is not an easy thing to come into terms with, let alone the lives of so many precious people, who were defenders of the nation.

But then Ethiopia (its government) has the responsibility of protecting all of its citizens, which is the overriding responsibility of a government of the people.

You can't punish the whole people for the crime of the "group of individuals" you are talking about here, simply because protecting the people has the overriding priority over punishing the criminals.

You have to compromise, the art of doing politics.

Those who can't compromise have produced the world's perhaps highest level of refugees per capita, even after they have declared to have won their freedom after 30 years of fight, finally. Isn't that more incredible? In my view it is!
I don't think it was a "political decision" on the part of your government to allow the TPLF butchers walk scot free, but an economic decision to help alleviate the country's astronomical foreign debt burden which, for the last 2 decades, has been paid back by remittances sent home by an estimated two million Ethiopian maids (የመዳም ቅመሞች) exported to Arab countries in slave-like condition, in a manner reminiscent of the 16th century transatlantic slave trade. I don't know of any self-respecting country that compromises its sovereignty in exchange for joining the club of debt-ridden countries that sacrifice their young girls and women on the altar of Neo-colonialism.

In his 2012 interview with Abebe Gelaw on East TV, the late Ethiopianist professor Donald Levine recalled a conversation he had with one of his Ethiopian students who represented the elite class of the country and who apparently was embarrassed by the stigma attached with backwardness. Here's a quote from his interview:


I had a student in Chicago, an Ethiopian (and this was around 1970-71) በጣም ጨዋ ልጅ, he was the son of an elite family, and he said "a lot of us are thinking that we should do what they did in Russia to modernize."

And I said to him, do you know that in Russia what Stalin did cost the lives of 20 million people?

And here's what he said.....

"well, they had like 200 million people in Russia. So 20 million dead out of 200 million is 10%.
Ethiopia has about 30 million people, and 10% of that is 3 million people."
Then he said...
"3 million dead Ethiopians would not be too high of a price to pay for progress." :shock: :shock:

When he said that my heart stopped, because he's the representative of the educated group of Ethiopians who were so embarrassed to be poor, and to be backward that, they thought how can we modernize as fast as possible? And if that means killing 3 million people, so be it!

I'm afraid that kind of thinking is still to be found even today.

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Hawzen » 31 Mar 2023, 21:16

DefendTheTruth wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 19:38
Hawzen wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 18:54

A group of individuals can order the massacre of over three thousands of federal soldiers while sleeping and then the very same criminals who ordered the slaughter can roam in the capital city freely .... This is just incredible. I just feel so terrible sad for the families of the soldiers who were slaughtered by TPLF criminals :oops: :oops: :oops:

I just hope that the federal government is working a set-up to neutralize these evil people one by one :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dedebit is always dedeb
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Yes, it is sad, indeed a tragedy, the lose of the life of even an individual is not an easy thing to come into terms with, let alone the lives of so many precious people, who were defenders of the nation.

But then Ethiopia (its government) has the responsibility of protecting all of its citizens, which is the overriding responsibility of a government of the people.

You can't punish the whole people for the crime of the "group of individuals" you are talking about here, simply because protecting the people has the overriding priority over punishing the criminals.

You have to compromise, the art of doing politics.

Those who can't compromise have produced the world's perhaps highest level of refugees per capita, even after they have declared to have won their freedom after 30 years of fight, finally. Isn't that more incredible? In my view it is!
Brother DefendTheTruth,

I like cool Ethiopian brothers and sisters, like yourself... But let me ask you one question: do you know any country in the world that has ever allowed criminals to roam in the capital city after the same group had authorized the slaughter of thousands of Federal Soldiers? I think this is just a very simple question... I understand there needed to be "compromise" because you can't get left-over from the white masters if you don't do what the white masters tell you to do. That one I can understand....

When it comes to refugees, I don't think you have the audacity to point your fingers towards anybody from any other country about refugees knowing that your people have also been losing their lives to get to Arab countries as well as some African countries.... God knows how many of your people have also crossed the Mediterranean sea claiming as Eritreans. There is one fact that you can't deny though....While my people have migrated to the west, your people have also become refugees in Arab countries as well as in some African countries.

By the way the country that "produced the worlds perhaps highest level of refugees per capita" saved you from your doomsday. The irony is that the low IQ agames had also believed that Eritrea is empty and that they could control it in a matter of hours with as many soldiers as one of their soccer team fans and the rest is a recent history. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by DefendTheTruth » 01 Apr 2023, 06:36

Hawzen wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 21:16
DefendTheTruth wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 19:38
Hawzen wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 18:54

A group of individuals can order the massacre of over three thousands of federal soldiers while sleeping and then the very same criminals who ordered the slaughter can roam in the capital city freely .... This is just incredible. I just feel so terrible sad for the families of the soldiers who were slaughtered by TPLF criminals :oops: :oops: :oops:

I just hope that the federal government is working a set-up to neutralize these evil people one by one :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dedebit is always dedeb
R.I.P Abay Tigray and TPLF terrorist group
Yes, it is sad, indeed a tragedy, the lose of the life of even an individual is not an easy thing to come into terms with, let alone the lives of so many precious people, who were defenders of the nation.

But then Ethiopia (its government) has the responsibility of protecting all of its citizens, which is the overriding responsibility of a government of the people.

You can't punish the whole people for the crime of the "group of individuals" you are talking about here, simply because protecting the people has the overriding priority over punishing the criminals.

You have to compromise, the art of doing politics.

Those who can't compromise have produced the world's perhaps highest level of refugees per capita, even after they have declared to have won their freedom after 30 years of fight, finally. Isn't that more incredible? In my view it is!
Brother DefendTheTruth,

I like cool Ethiopian brothers and sisters, like yourself... But let me ask you one question: do you know any country in the world that has ever allowed criminals to roam in the capital city after the same group had authorized the slaughter of thousands of Federal Soldiers? I think this is just a very simple question... I understand there needed to be "compromise" because you can't get left-over from the white masters if you don't do what the white masters tell you to do. That one I can understand....

When it comes to refugees, I don't think you have the audacity to point your fingers towards anybody from any other country about refugees knowing that your people have also been losing their lives to get to Arab countries as well as some African countries.... God knows how many of your people have also crossed the Mediterranean sea claiming as Eritreans. There is one fact that you can't deny though....While my people have migrated to the west, your people have also become refugees in Arab countries as well as in some African countries.

By the way the country that "produced the worlds perhaps highest level of refugees per capita" saved you from your doomsday. The irony is that the low IQ agames had also believed that Eritrea is empty and that they could control it in a matter of hours with as many soldiers as one of their soccer team fans and the rest is a recent history. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dedebit is always dedeb
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Hawzen,

I have never discounted, or tended to be ungrateful to, the help Ethiopia received from Eritrea at the time of its need, I was not on the ground but listened to those who were there and they owed it to the state of Eritrea that they were still walking, after their own country fellow decided to slaughter them in their deep sleep.
To be ungrateful to such help is not humane, not my way.

I have also not said Ethiopia doesn't produce refugees, it does. But in relation to Eritrea it produces lower number with respect to the numbers per capita. I don't think you can deny that. My wish is to reduce or even eliminate a single person seeking refuge somewhere else, be it from Ethiopia, Eritrea, or any other country in Africa (the world). For that to happen we have to do something, just wishing away can't solve the problem.

Not only we still produce high number of refugees but also we can't still ensure food security for our vast people, this is a big challenge. To face a big challenge the dogma of "business as usual" sort of thinking and handling is not sufficient.

We need to change course, both in Ethiopia and elsewhere, including in Eritrea.

Intransigence on eliminating TPLF may cost the nation what it can't afford, so it had to compromise, after outweighing the benefit and the lose of that decision. This is my guess, I was not (I am not) part of the decision makers.

Hopefully Eritrea will learn something from Ethiopia at one point down the road to the benefit of the Eritreans themselves.

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Meleket » 03 Apr 2023, 11:16

ተሓጓሚ እንከሎስ ተሓዚ ይጠርጥ” ይላሉ የኛዎቹ ሊቃውንት፡ “ህመምተኛው መርፌ ለተወጋ፡ ህመምተኛውን የያዘው ሰውዬ ፈሱን ኣንዛረጠ” እንደማለት ነው በግርድፉ ሲተረጎም። :mrgreen:ኢትዮጵያውያን ወንድማማቾች ለታረቁት፡ ‘ኤርትራዊው ካድሬ’ ኣጉረመረመ” እንደማለት ነው።ኣሁን እስቲ “ጌም ኦቨር” በተባለ ጉዳይ መንጫጫት ምን ይሉታል። ኢትዮጵያውያን “ጩሀቱ ከፍዬሏ በላይ ነው” የምትሉት ኣባባል እንዲህ ሲያጋጥም ነውን? እስቲ ኣብራሩልን።

የጦብያ ቦተሊከኞች፡ በኤርትራውያን ደምም ጭምር፡ ታርቀው “ቦተሊካ” ሰርተውበታል። ቦተሊካቸው ፊዚካል ዲማርኬሽንና ዘላቂ ሰላም ላይ እስካደረሰ ድረስ እኛ ኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች በኤርትራዊ ጭዋነት ኩራትና ትህትና ጭምር እንደግፈዋለን። በዚህ “የሰላም ሂደት” የኛዎቹ “እኛ እንዝፈንላችሁ እናንተ ተዋጉ” በሚል ፈሊጣቸው ዬሚታወቁት “የጦርነት ጥቅመኞች” እጂጉኑ የተከፉ ይመስላሉ፤ ምክንያቱም ስማቸው እንደሚያመለክተው “የጦርነት ጥቅመኞች” ስለሆኑና ከልማት ጋር ስለተፋቱ ነው። ሰላም ከተገኘም "ነገር ስራ" መስራት ስለማይችሉ ነው።

በኤርትራውያን ደም ኣሁንም ኣሁንም ቦተሊካ ለሚነግዱ ኢትዮጵያውያን “ዘይስንኻ ሑጽ ቖርጥመሉ” የሚመስል ኣካሄዳቸው ነዉር መሆኑን ስንመክር እንደነበረው ሁሉ፤ ኣሁንም “ዝመጸ ከይመጸ ብርኹታ ምጸ” እንዲሉ ሊቃውንቶቻችን በዓለም የፍትህ ኣደባባይ በተበዬነው መሰረት በ“ፊዚካል ዲማርኬሽን” ድንበራችንን በማካለል ሕጋዊ እልባት ላይ ማድረስና ስጋ በማልበስ ጉዳዩ መቋጨት ያስፈልጋል።

ከውቅያኖሱ ታሪካችን እንቀንጭብና፡ በ1977 “ውግእ ሕድሕድ” በመባል የሚታወቀው እርስ በእርስ ይዋጉ የነበሩት ኤርትራውያን ኃይሎች፡ ለኤርትራ ነጻነት ሲሉ ስምምነት አድርገው እንደነበር እናውቃለን። እታች ያለው ታሪክ ኩምኩሙ፡ በግዜው የተሰጠው ምክንያትንም አስተውሉት። :mrgreen: በተመሳሳይ መልኩ አሁን ደግሞ ኢትዮጵያውያን ኃይሎች ለሃገራቸው ሰላም ሲሉ ስምምነት ቢያደርጉ ታድያ ምን ችግር ኣለው! ኃጢያቱ ምኑ ላይ ነው? ኣቦ ለሰላም ሳታሰልሱ የሰራችሁ ኣካላት በሙሉ እንኳን ደስ ኣላችሁ
:mrgreen:
EPLF, ELF Sign an Important Agreement on National Unity
Workers’ Advocate, Vol. 8, No. 2, February 10, 1978
The following is reprinted from Eritrea In Struggle

Newsletter of the Association of Eritrean Students in North America, Vol. II, No. 3, December, 1977.
. . .
The EPLF-ELF joint statement is a heavy blow against the concerted efforts of the imperialists and reactionary forces to split and weaken the Eritrean revolution. This is why the imperialist press, reactionaries and opportunists of all hues have joined hands to distort and slander the joint statement issued by EPLF and ELF. In an attempt to discredit the Eritrean revolution and in particular the EPLF, they have distorted the essence of the joint statement by circulating malicious lies that the two fronts have "announced a political and military merger."

As clearly pointed out above, the joint statement does not announce the political and military merger of EPLF and ELF but states the general principles that will lead towards the establishment of a national democratic front in Eritrea. EPLF has also consistently made its line on the path towards national unity clear.

Genuine and principled national unity cannot be achieved simply through a declaration of a political and military merger. The path towards forming a national democratic front is a protracted step by step process, the result of a protracted joint struggle in the course of which unity on fundamental political and ideological lines are achieved.

The imperialists and their agents have also been propagating that the "political and military merger" was a "result of pressures from Arab countries". This slanderous lie actually reflects their own wishful thinking. However, their attempt to defame the Eritrean revolution and the EPLF in particular is futile. The EPLF -ELF agreement was the outcome of the protracted and steadfast struggle by the Eritrean masses and all patriotic fighters and the EPLF's correct political line.

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Dark Energy » 03 Apr 2023, 11:33

Meleket,

You don’t sound very honest to me. Drop the pronoun WE and talk about your assessment directly. Since your audience are mainly Eritreans Tigrigna better yet English would reach wider audience. Once in. while you sound like Unionist. BTW, EPLF was a one man show. Isaias is EPLF ….EPLF isIsayas. Isayas wanted to eliminate ELF from the get go. He was able to do so. Only a smart psychopath is able to accomplish such a feat. But, Mother Nature will call. He is not going to be there for ever. Who is going to clean up for him, let us hope fairly democratic Eritrea will emerge out of it. :) :lol:

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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by DefendTheTruth » 03 Apr 2023, 16:14

Yes, indeed "only in Today's Ethiopia"


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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Hawzen » 03 Apr 2023, 20:07

DefendTheTruth wrote:
03 Apr 2023, 16:14
Yes, indeed "only in Today's Ethiopia"

Brother DefendTheTruth,

The governments of Eritrea and Ethiopia must work hand-in-hand to make sure peace prevails in our region. But it all starts by putting the coward TPLF criminal group under our microscope 24/7... The last they were let loose, they ordered the massacre of 3000 Ethiopian soldiers. So knowing their history and fantasy, I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt to roam in Addis as well as in my Asmara for that matter freely ....



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Re: ONLY in Today's Ethiopia

Post by Meleket » 04 Apr 2023, 09:55

"ኣብሪክ 13" ደረሰች፡ :mrgreen: ይግባኝ የማይባልበት ብዪን ዬተወሰነባት ቀን።

ይህ ብይን ስጋ ለብሶ የህግ ልዕልና ተረጋግጦ፡ በድንበር አካባቢ ዬሚኖሩ ህዝቦች ያላ ኣንዳች ስጋት ይኖሩ ዘንድ የሁለቱን መንግስታት ለትግባሬው ይተጉ ዘንድ እንጠይቃለን እኛ ኤርትራውያን የመሃልና የመስመር ዳኞች፡ በኤርትራዊ ጭዋነት ኩራትና ትህትና ጭምር። :mrgreen:



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