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[Zack]

Yes exactly the United states is just a larger version of the United kingdom where the english and the irish went on adventurue and later invited their fellow germanic cousins and the italians to join the United states bandwagon it was never made for the negroes. the country was never made for the negroes or the mexicans or all the others. America has the anglo saxion culture and Character the same way Ethiopia has the Amhara character. so dark energy shouldnt be ashamed to call him selff tigrinya and kebessa and that the face of Eritrea is Tigrigna . what would eritrea be if the kebessa didnt fight the Amhara (Ethiopia) in the 30 year wars . Do u think Eritrea would be independent. let say if The kebssa said we will remain part of ethiopia do u think eritrea would be independent today i dont think so.

Dr Zackovich

[kerenite]

Yes exactly the United states is just a larger version of the United kingdom where the english and the irish went on adventurue and later invited their fellow germanic cousins and the italians to join the United states bandwagon it was never made for the negroes. the country was never made for the negroes or the mexicans or all the others. America has the anglo saxion culture and Character the same way Ethiopia has the Amhara character. so dark energy shouldnt be ashamed to call him selff tigrinya and kebessa and that the face of Eritrea is Tigrigna . what would eritrea be if the kebessa didnt fight the Amhara (Ethiopia) in the 30 year wars . Do u think Eritrea would be independent. let say if The kebssa said we will remain part of ethiopia do u think eritrea would be independent today i dont think so.

Dr Zackovich

Zack,

The kebessa and the lowlanders needed each other to liberate eritrea. Neither the kebessa nor the lowlanders could have liberated eritrea alone.

Had the kebessa said that we will remain with ethiopia as you implied, the lowlanders would have continued with their struggle until eritrea was liberated albeit it may have taken longer.

I wonder how did you come to such conclusion.

[Zack]

Interesting maybe ur right but we would never know. Didn’t the struggle really formed it’s highest peek and shape when shabea emerged . Surely yes there was jebha and before the Muslim league but the whole reason Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia was during the 30 And fourties’ the kebessa were very good with Ethiopia and with the emperor the grievances for them started just much later when the federation was abolished and Amharic forced upon them the kebessa a proud people didn’t want to take orders from Amhara they considered Lowly people at that time . And when they joined the struggle it really came into fruitation and the Amhara were lost do you think you can break the back of the amharas in the heart land of Eritrea like the kebessa did at the battle of affebat . Eritrea would have been independent if the Somali republic won the Ogaden war in 1977 they liberated all parts of Eritrea with the exceptions of massawa and Asmara . It took them ten years later. When they finally broke the back of the Amharas. Do u think the lowlanders could have achieved all of that. And be honest



Dr Zackovich

[kerenite]

Interesting maybe ur right but we would never know. Didn’t the struggle really formed it’s highest peek and shape when shabea emerged . Surely yes there was jebha and before the Muslim league but the whole reason Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia was during the 30 And fourties’ the kebessa were very good with Ethiopia and with the emperor the grievances for them started just much later when the federation was abolished and Amharic forced upon them the kebessa a proud people didn’t want to take orders from Amhara they considered Lowly people at that time . And when they joined the struggle it really came into fruitation and the Amhara were lost do you think you can break the back of the amharas in the heart land of Eritrea like the kebessa did at the battle of affebat . Eritrea would have been independent if the Somali republic won the Ogaden war in 1977 they liberated all parts of Eritrea with the exceptions of massawa and Asmara . It took them ten years later. When they finally broke the back of the Amharas. Do u think the lowlanders could have achieved all of that. And be honest



Dr Zackovich

The problem with you is that you have utter contempt for eri lowlanders. I wonder if deqi arawit convinced you to belittle lowlanders.

Lowlanders were the ones who initiated the eritrean revolution in 1961. With or without kebessa, they may have continued with their struggle.

Stop.... Downplaying lowlanders.

You mentioned afabet, do you know who the co-commanders at the warfronts were? Of course you don't and your friend deqi arawit won't tell you because their names irritates his eyes.

[Dark Energy]

Zack,

You don’t know what you are talking about. You are disrespectful to Eritreans. You don’t know the history and bravery of Jebha. Stop looking at it with religious binoculars. EPLF from the start was a one man show. Jebha wasn’t. Had Isayas worked with the Jebha leaders honestly, Eritrea would have been independent in the seventies. But, I know how deceitful you are. You are Tigrayan who hates to be Ethiopian. Forget about the Agazian jumbo jumbo. It will never work. Isayas will not be there forever. Democratic Eritrea is not far into the future. Embrace your Ethiopianess and help change Ethiopia to the right direction.

[Zack]

Yes. Kerenite jebha started the revolution but they couldn’t bring into fruitation though one could say eplf learned from jebha not to make allot of mistakes so one can say the two didn’t cancel each other on the end goal of the all objective that was to be reached. So I am not down playing it but the kebasssa played the most significant role to make this Eritrea independent can we deny that . Once jebha was defeated in the what in the 1980s for atleast the decade it was shaeba living with the burden


Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

Zack,

You don’t know what you are talking about. You are disrespectful to Eritreans. You don’t know the history and bravery of Jebha. Stop looking at it with religious binoculars. EPLF from the start was a one man show. Jebha wasn’t. Had Isayas worked with the Jebha leaders honestly, Eritrea would have been independent in the seventies. But, I know how deceitful you are. You are Tigrayan who hates to be Ethiopian. Forget about the Agazian jumbo jumbo. It will never work. Isayas will not be there forever. Democratic Eritrea is not far into the future. Embrace your Ethiopianess and help change Ethiopia to the right direction.

dear dark energy if i was a tigrayan would i not hate kebessa to the bone why would i give them credit where its due. if i was tigrayan i would have discredited them. right isias did work with jebha but he saw problems with in that cant be fixed. As for eritrea being or becoming democratic that is far fetched the society needs to be embracing demcoracy first and need be democratic if isias dies he will most likely be succeeded by some one in his inner circle or maybe even his son at least some one he appoints to the job . I could care less about Ethopia i want it to disentigrate into 5 countries or more..

Dr Zackovich

[kerenite]

Yes. Kerenite jebha started the revolution but they couldn’t bring into fruitation though one could say eplf learned from jebha not to make allot of mistakes so one can say the two didn’t cancel each other on the end goal of the all objective that was to be reached. So I am not down playing it but the kebasssa played the most significant role to make this Eritrea independent can we deny that . Once jebha was defeated in the what in the 1980s for atleast the decade it was shaeba living with the burden


Dr Zackovich

Still I believe you have an utter contempt for Eri-lowlanders (to be blunt eri-muslims). I wonder why? Albeit you claim to be a muslim.

Hey! Jebha was driven from the eritrean field by the combined forces of eplf (an eritrean) and weyanne (an ethiopian). Jebha was not a muslim front perhaps 60% of its combatants were christians.

In another thread you put the number of kebessa or christians as 60% and they make up the majority. Where did you get that figure from? Even the regime confirms that the make up of the eri populace is evenly divided with a ratio of 50:50.

Zack, you need to learn in advance a lot about eritrea before poking your nose in it.

[Zack]

I dont have any contemt for the eritrean Muslims why would i , i my self i am muslim i am just saying the Eritrean highland involvement of eritrea was so much more significant then the other lowlanders , that doesn mean i dislike them ofcourse i like all eritreans and wish them well to be united and be strong and vibrant,, i am not sure the exact population there has not been a census that the kebessa is 60% i am not sure if that is true if i am wrong i am willing to concede that. but surely the Eritrean kebessa control if not more of 60% of the political leadeship if i am not mistaken in terms of ambassadors and ministers army chiefs..

Dr Zackovich

[Dark Energy]

Zaky,

You are indeed funny. I don’t even believe that you are a Muslim, much less from tiny Djibouti. BTW, what were weaknesses that repulsed Isayas from Jebha ! Isayas never came to fight under Jebha no matter what. He had his very own intentions. He is a psychopath who can make things happen his own way. He never had an intention of sharing power with any one. Very few men in history had that kind of personality. Jebha was very pluralistic. It was very democratic. It was ready to compromise to work with EPLF. You know it was Jebha that fought against TPLF for Badme for the first time. Whose side do you think Isayas took. Whatever it took to eliminate Jebha out of the field. I am not saying Jebha was saint. But it was ready to compromise with EPLF for unity purposes.Agani, let us say, EPLF was victorious in 1993. We are in 2023. Where is Eritrea ?

[Zack]

Eritrea is still intact as a state and we can thank wedi afom for these efforts it is said that isias fought for the jebha against Ethiopia it is even said has a tato of elf on his shoulder
Any way what is important and what we can note is that if elf would have won could it with stand Ethiopia under meles if elf was in charge it took some one who knew the agames to defeat the agames and why would u not believe that I am not a Muslim what is ur evidence for that have I ever said anything that made u doubt my faith or even my country I am always a man from shinile. Never claimed something else

Dr Zackovich

[Dark Energy]

Zaky,

Stick to your Tigray business. You are not fooling anyone. Agazian sh——it is for the junkies. Leave Eritrean matters to Eritreans so that we can respect each other. Isayas was sanctioned and locked by your Agame leaders. He is not diplomatic. Jebha could have done better. But, that is in hind sight. No one can prove either way. Eritreans deserve to choose who governs them. That is our innate right. Leave Eritrean matters to Eritreans. Any Eritrean who involves himself in Agazian matters is treasonous. BTW, you are treasonous to your mother country, Ethiopia as well.

[Zack]

I have never said anything about agazians I never said i supported what I said was I understand what ever kinship there is between agames and kebessas it’s for them to decide their future relations ship on living together or side by side as they were doing in good times and in bad . Having said that isias wasn’t sanctioned by agames u give agames to much credit . Isias was sanctioned for harbouring aiding and abetting. Somalia most notorious terrorists during the hey days of ars . Alliance for re lebaration of Somalia. But Somalis called are the Asmara group or the Asmara regional strategy for Somalia . Either way when isias was helping the Islamic courts union he crossed Uncle Sam at the height of the war against terror . And that’s what got him the sanctions if he never had that kind of policy Eritrea would have never been sanctioned by Any one but because he crossed the USA . The agames just laughed because he shot him self in the foot .

Ethiopia was never my mother country. Ethiopia was imposed on us we never chose to be part of Ethiopia we always said we wanted to be an independent state or be with Somalia to join Djibouti . But we never wanted to be part of Ethiopia. As an Eritrean u would have understood that I hoped indeed.


Could’ve should’ve would’ve. Doesn’t cut it jebha didn’t had the tools the will the strength the strategy to survive . Shabea did and that’s the truth really dear lad.
Dr Zackovich

[Dark Energy]

Zacky,

The Islamic Court thing, you are right. He allowed the Islamic Courts to meet in Asmara, at Nyala Hotel, despite stern warning from the US. That was the very reason the US needed to get across to get to him. However, Meles as sneaky as he was, brought a coalition of accusers namely IGAAD members and brought the accusation of starting armed conflicts around the horn for no good reason. Susan Rice carried the load. Why was Isayas involved in war torn Somalian affairs in the first place. The Islamic Courts was a terrorist group that was followed by Alshebab. Isayas was helping Meles to lock him up. What for ? You are not a political analyst as many of the forumers here aren't, are you ? What Isayas was doing is very simple. To prolong his rule over Eritrea. Sure, the West would have loved for Eritrea to return to its loving motha Ethiopia. Isayas knew that and he used them to promote his agendas. No one is clear to what extent his main agendas were. But, Developing Eritrea Economically, politically and democratically were not. So, don't tell me, ELF is far worse. ELF was democratic. Power would have been handed to the people . I am not saying ELF was perfect. ELF did not foster any connection with the agames or Ethiopia. It was all about independence.
BTW, it would be wise not to involve in Eritrea affairs. F-u-c-ker, you are not Eritrean.

[Zack]

To say do not get involved in Eritrean affairs against the Doctor Zackovich is being dishonest dont the Eritreans on this site daily talk about Ethiopia and Ethiopian affairs , would that not be hypocracy if u say to me do not talk about Eritrean affairs while ur People talk about Ethiopia on a daily base since ur not an Ethiopian what if i say u cant talk about Ethiopia that would not be all right, everthing should be discussed one moment u believe in democracy and free speech and what not and the next moment u wish to silence people so much for democracy , haha.

Having said that i think u kinda like the censorships some how u need accept that others can have different opinions its normal that is what makes discussions so great. Surely i am a person who hardlye ver uses profanity or curse words so not sure why u annoyed with me

moving swiftly forward yes Isias was wrong to support Somali terroirsts plane and simple meles used just an open goal to score and it was isias shooting him self in the foot he had just stay neutral and there would not be any sanctions. meles just saw an open goal and used it . Can u blame him
Now where i differ with u is that Isias didnt do this to prolong his stay there is no one in Eritrea that can challenge isias and his throne . So it was just a pure miscalculation and because Isias wanted to show the world the region the horn that he is a real boss and that he can defy the USA that was all and to some extend fight a war a proxy war against Ethiopia inside Somalia. that was it playing t1t for tat . That was his whole angle. Nothing big about staying in power and what not. these were the reasons.

so u were agaisnt shabia helping agame to power interesting so in 1991 who would u have supported to be in power amhara galla somali gurage who. the best thing u could have done was to let the country divide ethiopia into several countries that would have been better


Dr Zackovich

[Dark Energy]

Zaky,

You are transparent. Everyone knows where you are coming from. You know there is a big hole in Eritrean politics. You are determined to exploit it. Isayas is very calculating narcissistic dictator. When he involved himself in Somalian affairs he knew what was coming
It was all in the plan. It was all about himself, not the Eritrean people’s interest. He wanted to appear the hero who can defy the mighty West. He knew it to well. It was all about power. He wanted to kill the spirit of democracy in Eritrea, and he did.

[Zack]

Dark energy the thing is isias had hero syndrome he always had that. its just bad that the agames crossed him he would have been the defacto ruler of Ethiopia and Eritrea that was his plan all along but the agames had other plans

His biggest blunder in Eritrea isias was when he got involved in Somali affairs but he took it like a man when uncle sam was using wedi afom as a punching bag but thats something one can only admire .I kinda admire any one who can stand up against the USA

But u should lucky that Eritrea is in the hands of Isias there is no altarnative what is the altarnative for eritrea democracy how do u see that 7 political partys with regional religious tribal interest. Kinda reminds of The Somali republic in the 1960 when every clan had his own political party it was an open farce and a circus. So how many partys will there exist the Kebessa will have three parties one for Sereya run by Dark energy one run by DEQI arewit the akele guze party and one run by Cigar the Hamasien party. one Afar party one Tigre party one beja party one saho party one bilen party one jeberti party one kunama party. It will be total madness and so many frictions will be there. Or u can limit the party like in Somaliland where the kebessa have one party the lowlanders one and the nilotic kunama nara and afar have one party. Somaliland has 3 parties . Or maybe 2parties like in Djibouti one run by us the Issas and one we create for the rest of the people but its also controlled by us haha.

Having said that i dont think Eritrea would have surivived if it was in the hands of some one else who might destroy the country institutions
remember Eritrea was colonized by italy the worse colonisers of Africa . all countries in Africa are failed states with the exception of Eritrea and that is because wedi afom is leading the country and he is colonizing it with his pfdj party. Libya and Somalia are both failed states. and both had dictators prior to their destruction , Eritrea also has one dictator heaven forbid Isias dies and the country goes in turmoil this something we do not want to happen so better the devil u know then the devil u dont know.


Dr Zackobvich

[Dark Energy]

Zack,

Isayas is the wolf mother to the little cuddly sheep. Eritrea has to survive him. You spilled the beans unknowingly. You wrote

Isayas wanted to rule both Ethiopia and Eritrea

Do you understand that statement ? That is gross betrayal to the Eritrean people. Independence means independent of Ethiopia by all measures. BTW, you just insulted the Eritrean people knowingly or unknowingly. I think it is the former.

[Zack]

Yeah but it was with the intentions to rule from asmara and be the defacto ruler of Ethiopia that doesnt mean that Eritrea is part of Ethiopia its just that Ethiopia also come under ur leadership

Isias intentions was never ever to allow Ethiopia to absorb Eritrea he fought half his life to make sure eritrea is independent but he wants to enrich eritrea.

Dr Zackovich

[Dark Energy]

Zaky,
When a treacherous agame like you defend Isayas that much, it is suspicious. How can Isayas rule much larger and influential country like Ethiopia from undeveloped at its infancy Eritrea ? There are a lot of Eritreans who believe that he wanted federation, not independence. I am sure you believe that too. Deceitful that you and your kinds are, you are here to neurralize independence in your own way. For him, I think it is all about power. He is a lot like the grand father of North Korea, Mr. Kim senior. Should Eritrea be compared to North Korea ? At thevpresent, yes it does. That is gross betrayal on the Eritrean people. You agames are mischievous. Idiots indeed. Eritrea was an asset to you. Your green eyes knows no bound.