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[fasil1235]

We are collecting new information that the semetic speaking Zay tribe are in fact Tigrayans!

[fasil1235]

So where do the Semetic Soddo, Sebat Bet Gurage, and Silti tribes come from?

Silti were largely Arabized/Semetized by the Shewa Sultanate, which also included the Werjes of Addis Ababa. These Islamic populations in Shewa including Argobba, Silti, Werje were semetized by the Shewa Sultante that had deep arab Influence but once the Amhara overthrew the Sultanate in 1270 led by Yekuno Amlak and Amdetsion Islam began to decline in Shewa this led to Silti, Werje, Argoba forming small semetic cores.

This means Sodo Gurage, Sebat Bet Gurage likely learned Semetic langauge from the Amhara Imperial dynasty and contact with the Shewa Dynasty.

As Such Eastern gurages speak more semetic than a western gurage

[Tog Wajale E.R.]

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[Horus]

We are collecting new information that the semetic speaking Zay tribe are in fact Tigrayans!

So where do the Semetic Soddo, Sebat Bet Gurage, and Silti tribes come from?

Silti were largely Arabized/Semetized by the Shewa Sultanate, which also included the Werjes of Addis Ababa. These Islamic populations in Shewa including Argobba, Silti, Werje were semetized by the Shewa Sultante that had deep arab Influence but once the Amhara overthrew the Sultanate in 1270 led by Yekuno Amlak and Amdetsion Islam began to decline in Shewa this led to Silti, Werje, Argoba forming small semetic cores.

This means Sodo Gurage, Sebat Bet Gurage likely learned Semetic langauge from the Amhara Imperial dynasty and contact with the Shewa Dynasty.

As Such Eastern gurages speak more semetic than a western gurage

አንተ መሃይም የአገው ልቃሚ፣

አንተ አማራኛ ወይም ትግርኛ ተናጋሪ አገው ነህ ። አይደለም የትላንቱ አማርኛ ቋንቋ አምደ ጽዮን ሸዋ ሲመጣ የተዋጋው ጉራጌን ነው ። ሂድና ስንክሳሩን አንብብ። ጉራጌኛ ለአማርኛ ኢቲሞልጂው ነው ። ትግርኛን እርሳው አንዲት ዝምድና ማግኘት አትችልም ። በተረፈ ትግሬ የሚባል ጎሳ ከመፈጠሩ በፊት ጉራጌኛ ባክሱም የነበረ ቋንቋ ለመሆኑ ማረጋገጫው አክሱም የሚለው ቃል ጉራጌኛ መሆኑ ነው። አክሱም የሚለው ቃል ትግርኛ መሆኑ አሳይና ርታኝ ። ስለ ስለጮህክ ታሪክ ያለህ አይምሰልህ! The Gurage Semitic languages are the oldest south Semitic languages.

[Dama]

So where do the Semetic Soddo, Sebat Bet Gurage, and Silti tribes come from?

Silti were largely Arabized/Semetized by the Shewa Sultanate, which also included the Werjes of Addis Ababa. These Islamic populations in Shewa incl0uding Argobba, Silti, Werje were semetized by the Shewa Sultante that had deep arab Influence but once the Amhara overthrew the Sultanate in 1270 led by Yekuno Amlak and Amdetsion Islam began to decline in Shewa this led to Silti, Werje, Argoba forming small semetic cores.

This means Sodo Gurage, Sebat Bet Gurage likely learned Semetic langauge from the Amhara Imperial dynasty and contact with the Shewa Dynasty.

As Such Eastern gurages speak more semetic than a western gurage

Orthodox nationalist fasil.
Gurage has nothing to do with murders of Orthodox Christians in Arsi. You can raise starving Eritrean thugs in Ethiopia and revenge against Arsi Muslins.

Leave Gurage alone. Our hands are clean on that crime.
Also, there are lots of Orthodox all over Gurage. Did you know Gurage is not just Zay, Silte, Kistane and 7bet. There are many other Gurages you did not mention because you are ignorant. In fact, Gurage population is much larger than your other country, Eritrea.

I am undelining this fact to print in your Orthodox patriotic head that Gurage has not murdered the Arsi Orthodox.
Get a life!!

[Misraq]

No doubt Zay are Tegaru escaped Yodit Gudit. They preserved the religion and written geez in that island. Not only in Zay, Kembatas and Welaytas have clans with Tigrayan ancestry. Gurages don't have a writing culture. The reason they want to link themselves to Zay is to claim their writing tradition. And above all Gurage is not an ethnicit. It is a term that is used to describe Qocho Qortami in that area. They don't understand each other while living in 40 km radius.

[Horus]

No doubt Zay are Tegaru escaped Yodit Gudit. They preserved the religion and written geez in that island. Not only in Zay, Kembatas and Welaytas have clans with Tigrayan ancestry. Gurages don't have a writing culture. The reason they want to link themselves to Zay is to claim their writing tradition. And above all Gurage is not an ethnicit. It is a term that is used to describe Qocho Qortami in that area. They don't understand each other while living in 40 km radius. (

ምስራቅ የምትባይ ውዳቂ ውያኔ
በክስታኔ ማህበረሰብ ወስጥ ዛይሴ የሚባሉ ጎሳ አሉ። የዛይ ወይም የላቄ (ክስታኔዎች ደሴቶቹን ዝዋይ ብለህ ሕዝቡን ላቂ ነው የምንላቸው ! ዛሬ በኦሮሞኛ ቢዋጥም ሰዎቹ የሚናገሩት ጉራጌኛ የክስታኔኛ ዲአለክት ነው። ሂጂና የቋንቋ ሊቃንትን ጠይቂ!

The Zay language (also known as Zat or Zeway) is a South Ethiosemitic language belonging to the East Gurage subgroup. Spoken by fewer than 15,000 people, it is primarily concentrated on the islands and shores of Lake Zway in the Oromia Region of Ethiopia. [1, 2, 3]
Language Profile

• Linguistic Classification: Afroasiatic > Semitic > South Ethiosemitic > East Gurage.
• Alternative Names: Zway, Laqi, or Zayéñña.
• Speakers: Roughly 4,000 to 15,000.
• Geography: Spoken on five islands (Debre-Tsion, Fundurro, Tsedecha, Gelila, Debre Sina) and mainland towns like Meki and Zeway. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Characteristics & Culture

• Surrounding Influence: Because it is spoken in an area completely surrounded by Cushitic-speaking populations, it has undergone heavy lexical and morphological influence from the Oromo language.
• Multilingualism: Most Zay speakers are also fluent in Oromo, Amharic, or other Gurage languages.
• Writing System: Zay is primarily an unwritten, oral language. However, when written, it uses the Ge’ez (Ethiopic) script. [1, 4, 6, 7, 8]

Linguistic & Historical Context
Zay forms part of the "tiny Semitic island" metaphor often used to describe the Semitic languages floating in a vast sea of Cushitic languages in central Ethiopia. Despite being grouped under the cultural umbrella of "Gurage," it is geographically isolated from other Gurage languages and is most closely related to the Harari language. [3, 6]
Linguists and researchers actively study its unique vowels and syntactic patterns, though the language is increasingly considered endangered as younger generations on the islands migrate to the mainland and adopt Oromo. [1, 4]
Would you like to explore:Linguistic features (such as vowel systems and grammar)The cultural traditions of the Zay peopleDetails on other Gurage languages (like Chaha or Sebat Bet)Let me know what you'd like to dive into next.
AI responses may include mistakes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zay_language
[2] https://en.sewasew.com/p/zay
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurage_people
[4] https://www.academia.edu/5514218/The_Za ... ast_Gurage_
[5] https://en.sewasew.com/p/gurage-languag ... %E1%89%BD)
[6] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 24.2423500
[7] 
[8] https://classics.princeton.edu/departme ... first-time

[fasil1235]

No doubt Zay are Tegaru escaped Yodit Gudit. They preserved the religion and written geez in that island. Not only in Zay, Kembatas and Welaytas have clans with Tigrayan ancestry. Gurages don't have a writing culture. The reason they want to link themselves to Zay is to claim their writing tradition. And above all Gurage is not an ethnicit. It is a term that is used to describe Qocho Qortami in that area. They don't understand each other while living in 40 km radius. (

ምስራቅ የምትባይ ውዳቂ ውያኔ
በክስታኔ ማህበረሰብ ወስጥ ዛይሴ የሚባሉ ጎሳ አሉ። የዛይ ወይም የላቄ (ክስታኔዎች ደሴቶቹን ዝዋይ ብለህ ሕዝቡን ላቄ ነው የምንላቸው ! ዛሬ በኦሮሞኛ ቢዋጥም ሰዎቹ የሚናገሩት ጉራጌኛ የክስታኔኛ ዲአለክት ነው። ሂጂና የቋንቋ ሊቃንትን ጠይቂ!

Gurage have no official langauge Soddo speak a different language than Enamor lol:

[Horus]

[Dama]

No doubt Zay are Tegaru escaped Yodit Gudit. They preserved the religion and written geez in that island. Not only in Zay, Kembatas and Welaytas have clans with Tigrayan ancestry. Gurages don't have a writing culture. The reason they want to link themselves to Zay is to claim their writing tradition. And above all Gurage is not an ethnicit. It is a term that is used to describe Qocho Qortami in that area. They don't understand each other while living in 40 km radius.

Intellectually midget Misraq is a fano whiner without cause likes tomplay hardball because he leads a very bored life.
Durriye
You write in English, Amharic patriot Whorus writes in Amharic. Who's more Amara, you or him?
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[Right]

Gurage is not an ethnic group.

ˈAn ethnic group is: a population of individuals who identify with each other based on perceived shared attributes. These shared bonds typically include ancestry, language, history, culture, religion, or nationality. Unlike race, which is often based on physical characteristics, ethnicity is primarily a social and cultural classification.

Amharic is the shared language of the collective group of tribes who called themselves Guaraghies.

These groups who called themselves Gurage will not survive Oromuma. Oromuma is real and dangerous. It has already started swallowing tribes in the South. Unlike the 1500, this time around nobody will be able to stop it eating the South. Specially when the smaller groups are cooperating with it to be swallowed fast.

The Guraghies thought they are outsmarting Oromuma by verbally attacking their natural ally, the Amhara. The Oromuma knows the game very well.
Gurage is as good as dead.

[Dama]

Gurage is not an ethnic group.

ˈAn ethnic group is: a population of individuals who identify with each other based on perceived shared attributes. These shared bonds typically include ancestry, language, history, culture, religion, or nationality. Unlike race, which is often based on physical characteristics, ethnicity is primarily a social and cultural classification.

Amharic is the shared language of the collective group of tribes who called themselves Guaraghies.

These groups who called themselves Gurage will not survive Oromuma. Oromuma is real and dangerous. It has already started swallowing tribes in the South. Unlike the 1500, this time around nobody will be able to stop it eating the South. Specially when the smaller groups are cooperating with it to be swallowed fast.

The Guraghies thought they are outsmarting Oromuma by verbally attacking their natural ally, the Amhara. The Oromuma knows the game very well.
Gurage is as good as dead.

Mixing up race and ethnicity(nation) definitions. Sort it out. I can't help you.

[Abere]

አይ ውራጌ የሰማይ ስባሪ የሚያህል ውሸት ጉምድ ሲያደርጉ አይሰቀጥጣቸውም እኮ።
7 ቤት 5 ቤት ወዘተ ተብሎ በ10 ኪሜ ውስጥ ርቀት አንዱ ከአንዱ የማይግባባ ጭራሽ ደሴት አቋርጠው የሚኖሩ ሴማዊ ዛይ ውራጌ ነው ብለው እርፍ። ውራጌ ጎሳ ቢያንስ የጋራ የሆነ አንድ ቋንቋ መናገር ነበረበት - ዋናው መስፈርት ዜሮ ነው - ይህ ማለት ውራጌ የሚባል ጎሳ የለም ዜሮ ነው። ለምሳሌ ጋላ ጎሳ ነው። ኬንያ እና ታንዛንያ ድንበር ተቆርጦ የቀረ ጋላ ( የሚነዳው ከብት ደክሞ ይሁን በሌላ ምክንያት)ኢትዮጵያ የመግባት እድል ያልነበረ ዛሬም ጋልኛ ያወራል - ከማሳይ ጎሳ ይኖራል፤ በሰርንጌቲ ወቅት ተከትሎ ለከብቶቹ ሳር ያሳድዳል። ታዲያ ውራጌ የጊዜ ወይስ የቦታ እርቀት የቋንቋ ልዩነት ፈጥሮ ባቢሎን የሆነው። እውነቱ ሌላ ነው። ውራጌ መሰረቱ የባንቱ፤ የናይሎቲክ፤ የኦሞቲክ እንድሁም የኩሽ ጎሳዎች ከ16ኛ ክ/ዘመን የጋላ ወረራ በኋላ ሸሽተው ተራራማው የውራጌ ጂዎግራፊ የሰፈሩ የተለያየ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ናቸው።

[Dama]

አይ ውራጌ የሰማይ ስባሪ የሚያህል ውሸት ጉምድ ሲያደርጉ አይሰቀጥጣቸውም እኮ።
7 ቤት 5 ቤት ወዘተ ተብሎ በ10 ኪሜ ውስጥ ርቀት አንዱ ከአንዱ የማይግባባ ጭራሽ ደሴት አቋርጠው የሚኖሩ ሴማዊ ዛይ ውራጌ ነው ብለው እርፍ። ውራጌ ጎሳ ቢያንስ የጋራ የሆነ አንድ ቋንቋ መናገር ነበረበት - ዋናው መስፈርት ዜሮ ነው - ይህ ማለት ውራጌ የሚባል ጎሳ የለም ዜሮ ነው። ለምሳሌ ጋላ ጎሳ ነው። ኬንያ እና ታንዛንያ ድንበር ተቆርጦ የቀረ ጋላ ( የሚነዳው ከብት ደክሞ ይሁን በሌላ ምክንያት)ኢትዮጵያ የመግባት እድል ያልነበረ ዛሬም ጋልኛ ያወራል - ከማሳይ ጎሳ ይኖራል፤ በሰርንጌቲ ወቅት ተከትሎ ለከብቶቹ ሳር ያሳድዳል። ታዲያ ውራጌ የጊዜ ወይስ የቦታ እርቀት የቋንቋ ልዩነት ፈጥሮ ባቢሎን የሆነው። እውነቱ ሌላ ነው። ውራጌ መሰረቱ የባንቱ፤ የናይሎቲክ፤ የኦሞቲክ እንድሁም የኩሽ ጎሳዎች ከ16ኛ ክ/ዘመን የጋላ ወረራ በኋላ ሸሽተው ተራራማው የውራጌ ጂዎግራፊ የሰፈሩ የተለያየ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ናቸው።

Empty head. I ask to be taught about dialects, their formation and a nation still one nation with varied dialects. How? Ask to learn.

[Misraq]

Both brother Right & Abere said it all..Gurage is not ethnicity. It is not a race either. The people who are labeled Gurage are Qocho eater with similar dances. That is all. These people live in 40km radius and they are 8-10 when it comes to identity. None of them underderstand each other when they speak. Hence, these people are not one ethnics. These identities are Kistane, Enor, 7bet....etc

[Horus]

የትም ተለቃቅሞ አማርኛ ተናጋሪ ሙጃ ሁላ በጉራጌ ቀንቶ ሊሞት ነው

[Right]

The Oromuma elites set up the Guraghies for a take over and failure by throwing ego laced baits 2 years ago. And the small size head Gurages fall for it.

Two years ago, the Guraghies started to have a little bit of courage and demanded Kilil status (mind you, they have never protested ethnic federalism as a small tribes should do).
Oromuma neutralized it by one small trip to the zone by Abiye the clown.

We live and die by our mistakes, the Guraghies are as good as dead.

A Gurage told me that in just 8 years, the Oromo culture is taking roots by 5% in the zone. In a generation it will be about 60%.
That is basically swallowing a tribe as a fast food in just a few decades.

[Abere]

Wuragay, stop salivating on Zay by making up stuff. First, you will not dare to sail across the lake. If you ever try, they are much stronger than you are.


While your Wuragay are Swallowed by Galla you want salivating to swallow Zay.

[Dama]

Aberech, Mitri, Gudellaw and fasil enjoying the protection of P*mps and Q*maras.

You Qomaras have a field day on Gurage because of weak and uninformed debator Whorus. Many factors played:
1. He is only good at guessing, misleadingly at that, in etymology of words
2. Sound morphology which actually is a feature of dialects of a language but he failed to use it in this debate
3. Kistane have unreasonable reverence whoever says they are Armadillo and avoid critical confrontation. For this you are welcome to the bold and fearless 7bet. Odie and I are Gurage guards.

I could shut your skunk and fistula mouths in the first few posts. Not only because I can beat 5 Qomaras in a wrestling match which Sodos do not grow practicing in their youth, I know intellectually where to enlighten fasil the debtera of Orthodox cult imposed on the northern peasantry by rejects of the Syrian Orthodox church.

Whorus and Berhanu are liabilities to Gurage.

[Horus]

እንግዲህ የጠፈር ተመራማሪ መሆን አያስፈልግም ። እነዚህ የወያኔ ሻቢያ ተግንጣይ ፊንፊና የግብጽ ገረዶች የጉራጌን ትልቅ ተጽኖ በግዜ ርዝመት እየገባቸው አሁን እስከ ውስጥ አጥንታቸው ድረስ ፍርሃታቸው 24/7 እየነገሩን ነው ። የሰው ልጅ የሰራውና የሚሰራው ነገር ሁሉ በሃሳብ ይጀመራል ። ደሞ አለምን ለመለወጥ በሰው ልጆች አንጎል ውስጥ አንዲት ትክክለኛ ሃሳብ መስረጽ ብቻ ይበቃል ።

ጉራጌ ኅያል ሕዝብ ነው። ኃያል የሆነው ደሞ እንደ መንጋና ጉንዳን ተራብቶ ምድርና ስለሞላት አይደለም ። ኢትዮጵያ ካቀፈቻቸው 86 ጎሳዎች ሁሉ በጥበብ ፣ በዊዝደም ፣ በዘመናዊ የስራና ኤቲክስና ማህበራዊ መስተጋብር የላቀ ፣ በባህሪው ምስጉን በተግባሩ ምስጉን ክሩርና ጥልቅ ሳይኮሎጂና በራስ የመተማመን ስነልቡና የታነጸ ዝምተኛ ፣ ትሁት ፣ በዝምታ የሚመራ ፣ በምሳሌነት የሚያሸንፍ እጅግ እጅግ ኢትዮጵያን ያነጸ የገንባ ያኮራ ሕዝብ ነው።

ዛሬ በኢትዮጵያ ከሞላ ጎደል የሚካሄደው የኢኮኖሚ የቴክኖሎጂ የስራ ካልቸርና የተፎካካሪነት ባህሪያት ሁሉ ጉራጌ ለ100 አመት ሊተገብራቸው የሞከረና በፊዳልና በመሃይሞች የጎሳ ብክነት ሳይሆን የኖረ ዛሬ ግ ን ቀኑ ደርሶለት ኢትዮጵያን በቅጽበት ከውርደት ከለማኘት ከርሃብ እያወጣ ያለው የጉራጌነት ፍልስፍና ነው።

ስለሆነም 70 አመት ተዋግተው ዛሬም የሚለምኑትና ካልሰረቁና ካልቀሙ በልተው ማደር የምይችሉት ጠንቋዮችና ለማኞች 24/7 ስለጉራጌ ቢለፋደዱ ማን ሊገረም? 60 አመት በረሃ ተርመጥምጣ የተራዶ ስንዴ የሚሰፈርላት ማፈሪያ የግብጽ ገረድ በታሪኩ ረሃብና ሌብነት ማይገኝበት እንከን የለሹን ጉራጌ ላይ 24/7 ቢቀና ማን ይገረማል ።

ችግሩ ጉራጌ ብትጮህ ብትቃጠል አይሰማህም! እሱ ያለው ሌላ ቦታ ነው ። ካንተ የጭቃ ውስጥ መጨማለቅ ገብቶም አያውቅም ! እስከ ዘመነ ምጽአትም ከለማኞችና ገረዶች ውስጥ ገብቶ አይግማማም አይጨማለቅም !

The Gurage has a life to live, a nation to build, a civilization to realize. The Gurage exists at another level. In case if you haven't noticed!