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[Dama]

Baboon Horus posted videos of Gena celebration of Christ the Light.

Odie the Chimp wished all Ethiopian Orthodox a merry Gena.

I am proud of them as a Gurage myself.

[Odie]

hopeless atheist!
Atheist==a person who has problem believing even something that is supposed to be a fact(definition is mine). Agnostic is a little less dumber than arthiest because he at least says I don’t know it.
Faith is a personal thing. It has nothing to do with your ethnic. I refuse to go to the mud to fight on this. I wish you merry Ethiopian Gena. Ethiopians practiced christianity nearly over 1500 years which an achievement and worth celebrating. The current evil and devil system wants to tear that apart in the name of change but should be denied. There is nothing wrong being religious. Christianity has been the hing for human civilization and ethics up until nearly twentieth century when we began to roll back into what we left behind-paganism but we call it in different names such as nature, agnostism, atheism, pantheism, evolution, syncretism, animism, ethnicism……just to make the names sound bit scientific but paganism and bulshit!

[Dama]

I celebrate your state of mind to be seen as standouts in matters relating to Christianity above and beyond all other Christian Ethiopians.

[Odie]

I celebrate your state of mind to be seen as standouts in matters relating to Christianity above and beyond all other Christian Ethiopians.

Merry Ethiopian Gena, whether you celebrate or not.

And something for you:

[Dama]

The narrator's view of the origin of Gurage is just legend and speculation. You can't write history based on "it seems like". If some migrated to our region from Gura in Eritrea, they must have sttled in the region called Gura in 7bet and named the place so in memory of Gura in Eritrea. They could not have settled in Alamale or Aymelel and name another place Gura where they did not settle in. Also, in historical maps, Alamale is not included in the map of Gurage. Historical Gurage is 7bet that also contains the region of Gura.

Historical linguists have developed scientific methods to tell how old is a language group. They also developed what the parent language of tgat language sounded. In addition, what dialects branched out and remained so or developed into indepedent languages.

For example, Gurage has root words that are not found not only in Amharic and Tigrinya, they are not found in Geez. But, they are found in the oldest of middle east languages, some dead like Ugharit and some still spoken such as Akhadian.

They are confident enough to conclude that Gurage is the parent language for semitic languages. That the semitic languages' origin is Gurage. We are talking about age of Gurage to be 10s of 1000s of years.

[Yakume]

The Gurage who are part of the Oromo tribe, were not Christians before Menelik who forcefully changed their religion and names. The Oromo are divided into two branches: the Gurage and the Gaalla, and hold the most important positions in the federal government and foreign trade as well.

[Odie]

The narrator's view of the origin of Gurage is just legend and speculation. You can't write history based on "it seems like". If some migrated to our region from Gura in Eritrea, they must have sttled in the region called Gura in 7bet and named the place so in memory of Gura in Eritrea. They could not have settled in Alamale or Aymelel and name another place Gura where they did not settle in. Also, in historical maps, Alamale is not included in the map of Gurage. Historical Gurage is 7bet that also contains the region of Gura.

Historical linguists have developed scientific methods to tell how old is a language group. They also developed what the parent language of tgat language sounded. In addition, what dialects branched out and remained so or developed into indepedent languages.

For example, Gurage has root words that are not found not only in Amharic and Tigrinya, they are not found in Geez. But, they are found in the oldest of middle east languages, some dead like Ugharit and some still spoken such as Akhadian.

They are confident enough to conclude that Gurage is the parent language for semitic languages. That the semitic languages' origin is Gurage. We are talking about age of Gurage to be 10s of 1000s of years.

I encourage you to complete PhD on this if you have not done already. ኢትዮዽያውያን ስማ በለው ታሪክ culture በብዛት አለን:: I don’t have any objections to your analysis.
By the way, I have no idea who the narrator is. It is something I found on random search. I can’t say it is factual or not.
Here are some more:

[Odie]

The Gurage who are part of the Oromo tribe, were not Christians before Menelik who forcefully changed their religion and names. The Oromo are divided into two branches: the Gurage and the Gaalla, and hold the most important positions in the federal government and foreign trade as well.

አንተ Denisovan!
This is not in your dimension to understand
Get lost, uncivilized barbarian!

[Dama]

The narrator's view of the origin of Gurage is just legend and speculation. You can't write history based on "it seems like". If some migrated to our region from Gura in Eritrea, they must have sttled in the region called Gura in 7bet and named the place so in memory of Gura in Eritrea. They could not have settled in Alamale or Aymelel and name another place Gura where they did not settle in. Also, in historical maps, Alamale is not included in the map of Gurage. Historical Gurage is 7bet that also contains the region of Gura.

Historical linguists have developed scientific methods to tell how old is a language group. They also developed what the parent language of tgat language sounded. In addition, what dialects branched out and remained so or developed into indepedent languages.

For example, Gurage has root words that are not found not only in Amharic and Tigrinya, they are not found in Geez. But, they are found in the oldest of middle east languages, some dead like Ugharit and some still spoken such as Akhadian.

They are confident enough to conclude that Gurage is the parent language for semitic languages. That the semitic languages' origin is Gurage. We are talking about age of Gurage to be 10s of 1000s of years.

I encourage you to complete PhD on this if you have not done already. ኢትዮዽያውያን ስማ በለው ታሪክ culture በብዛት አለን:: I don’t have any objections to your analysis.
By the way, I have no idea who the narrator is. It is something I found on random search. I can’t say it is factual or not.
Here are some more:

I had watched the video before. I wish he consulted Gurage linguists and others on this. But that may have been limited by his budget and scope of what he intended to do as a youtuber. I don't think he researched MA or PhD papers on Gurage history at Ethiopian universities ket alone historica linguists. Not out of malice though. You can see he is trying his best to educate what he thinks are the truth.

Too late to change profession now. I am ok without the arts; the historical linguists allow us to use their recent findings as they grapple to solve centuries-old unknowns.

[Horus]

ኦዴ፣
እኔ በጉራጌ ታሪክና ቋንቋ ላይ ከዳማ ጋር ውይይት መግባት አልፈልግም፤ እሱ ጉራጌ ስላልሆነ። በመሰረቱ ዳማ ጉራጌ ለመሆኑ ምንም አይነት የራሱ ማሳያ የለውም ። የሚጽፈው ነገር በሙሉ ሌሎች የጻፉትን መደጋገም እንጂ አንዲት እውነተኛ ማረጋገጫ አያሳይም። ስለዚህ ከሱ ጋር ስለጉራጌ መወያየት ግዜ ማባከን ነው። እሱ ሲጀመር የጉራጌ ሳይኮሎጂና ኢቶስ የለውም።

ጉራ ስለሚለው ቃል እኔ ሺ ግዜ ብዬዋለሁ። ጉራጌ ከጉራ መጣ የሚለው የአለቃ ታየ መላ ምት እንጂ ቅንጣት መረጃ የለውም።

ዳማ አይመለልና ጉራጌ በ16ኛ ዘመን ካርታ ለየብቻ ተገልጸዋልና ክስታኔ ጉራጌ አይደለም ከሚለው ቆሻሻ መደምደሚያ የባሰ ጸረ ጉራጌ ከፋፋይ መርዘኛ ሃሳብ ሊኖር አይችልም።

እኔ ብዙ ቦታ ጠቅሻለሁ፤ ጉራጌ የሚለው ቃል የጉራጌ ጎሳዎች በጎጎት፣ በጉርዳና ጎርደና (በአገር ጉባኤ) ሴራዎች የአንድነት ሕብረት ፈጥረው ያቆሙት የአንድ አገርነት ስማቸው ነው። በጎንደር ግዛት ዘመን የኢትዮጵያ ጦር አዛዥ የነበሩት ራሥ ዘስላሴ ጉራጌን አጉራ ጠነ ብለው ይጠሩታል፤ ራስ ገዝ አገር ማለት ነው። ለምሳሌ ፈጠጋር በሚለው ስም ውስጥ ጋር አገር ማለት ነው። ጉራ፣ ጎራ፣ አጉራ፣ ጋር ወዘተ ዛሬ አገር የምንለው ቃል ጋራ (አብሮነት ፣ ሕብረት) የሚለው ቃል ነው ። ጉራ ሕብረት፣ ጉባኤ፣ ስብስብ ማለት ነው። ዛሬ በሰባት ቤት ጉርዳ የሚባለው ነው። ዛሬ በሶዶ ጎርደና (ጉርዳና) የሚባለው ነው።

ጉራጌ በአገር ጉባኤ ሴራ የሚገዛ የሚስተዳደር ሕዝብ ማለት ። ለዚህም ነው አይመለል፣ ክስታኔ ፣ አልክሊል፣ መስቃን፣ እዣ፣ እንደጋኝ፣ ስልቴ ወዘተ ወዘተ እያለ ሁሉም ጉራጌ የተባለው። ስለዚህ በካርታ ላይ በትክክልም እያንዳንዱ የጎሳ አገርና ጉራጌ የሚለው የፌዴሬሽን አይነት ሥም መኖሩ እጅግ ትክክል ነው።

ይህ አጭር ማስታውሻዬ ዳማ ጉራጌ አለመሆኑና ስለ ጉራጌ ሾሺያል እና ፖለቲካ እስትራክቸር ምንም እንደ ማያውቅ ያሳይሃል ።

ስለ ጉራጌ ቋንቋ እጅግ ትንታዊነትና ፕሮቶ ሴሚቲክ መሆን እኔ ለብዙ ግዜ ብዬዋለሁ። የጉራጌ ስረ ቃላት ኢብላይቲክ፣ ዩጋሪቲክ፣ ሱመሪያን አኬዲያን፣ አረሜይክ፣ እብራይስጥ፣ ግዕዝና ላቲን ውስጥ ሁሉ አሉ። ትልቁ ጀፎረ የሚባለው ቃል በክስታኔኛ ግፈር ፣ በአረብኛ አል ጃፋር እንደ ሚባል እዚህ ፎረም ላይ ጽፌ ነበር። በሶዶ ገፈርሳ የሚል የቦታ ስሞች አሉን ። ገፈርሳ ጀፎረ ማለት ነው። ግፈር ተው ማለት ሲሆን ጀፎረ ወይም ገፈርሳ ለጋራ ጥቅም የተተወ መሬት ማለት ነው።

ሰሞኑን የጉራጌ ታሪክ፣ የወርጂ ታሪክ እያለ የሚለጥፍ ዩ ቱበር አለ ። ብዙ ብዙ ስህተቶችን ያጨቀ ነው። እዚያ ውስጥ የአለቃ ታየ መቀባጥርን ይደግማል።

ለማንኛውም የራሳችን ምሁራን የራሳችን ምርምር ኢንቲቱት እያቋቋሙ ስለሆነ ሁሉንም በግዜ ሳንሳዊ ሆኖ ይጣራል!

ጉራጌን የሚከፋፍል ጸረ ጉራጌ በአያቶቻችን አጥንት ይወጋ! በዘርና ዘርማንዘሩ ጥቁር ዉሻ ይውለድ!

ሰብኛ ማለቅ ዬሁን!

[Dama]

Baboon Horus
You are abusing and misusing the technique of etymology. Your word derivations based on sounds is not scientific. For example, you can't associate the words to, two and too and through time they add or subtracted a letter to their present form. You can't. Awfully missing is your honesty to the methody of etymology. Just to catch you redhanded jefwar in Gurage is a street while jaffar in Arabic is a creek or river. Stop deceiving yourself and others. I have never claimed that I am expert on Gurage. But I have read enough to post the short opinions that I post. I posted the authors and the links of their works on this forum at the request of odie such as Wolf Leslau, Grover Hudson, Fekede Menuta, Degif Petros Banksira, W.A.Shack, Ulrich Braukamper, etc.

Why Gurage is named Gurage and how it was named is not yet known. To my understanding little research or none at all has been devoted to it while speculations remain. Not really a big deal for example why Amara is called Amara and why Tigrey is called Tigrey. You should not attempt to use etymology about which you have no training to tell me shamelessly lying thereby destroying your integrity about which you do not seem to care.

You had asked me to prove to you that I was a Gurage person 1) by posting Gurage music videos. I did.
2)by speaking some Gurage words. I did.
3)by educating you about the sub-clans of Chaha. I did.

Still, I am not Gurage enough because I posted historical proofs that:
1)in ancient maps Alamale, which later changed its name to Aymelel, again changed to Kistane and signed a peace accord with the Oromo to call itself Sodo, was outside of Gurage, at a distant east of it in between of which was Betezamora, now known as Mesqan.

2)Kistane betrayed Gurage and submitted to Menelick unilaterally, without consulting Gurage that was resisting Menelick
3)Presently, during Clown Abiy Ahmed era, Kistane again betrayed Gurage this time taking Mesqan with it, at a crucial time in Gurage history when it was pursuing a federal region of its own and a standard common language to unite Gurage, as well as when its elected leaders were incarcerated just because they demanded constitutionally permited right for a federal region of its own.
More than once, Sodo proved to be it's not Gurage. It will remain so. This is notwithstanding the existence of linguistic similarities between Gurage and Kistane. Linguistic similarities have always existed. It did not prevent Sodo from betraying Gurage. And for most of Gurage history Alamale, Aymelel, Kistane or Sodo was not Gurage. It was and still is drawn to the opportunities that it could scavenge from Shewa Amara and Oromo than to Gurage.
I am not dividing Gurage. Not to divide Gurage what your clan should have done were:
1) not unilaterally submit to Menelick without consulting
2)not exit Gurage and take with it Mesqan to form a parallel Mesqan and Sodo zone
3) not kill the demand for Gurage Region and a standard written language to unite Gurage.

In the map below, Mesqan, Kistane and Silte are not part of Gurage. Not an old map.

https://images.app.goo.gl/vJrCmGqDANwWUzu17

Early 1600s map of Abyssinia by the Jesuit missionary Manuel de Almeida. Betezamora, present Mesqan and Alamale, present Kistane or Sodo were not part of historical Gurage. Sufgamo, present Silte as well.

https://images.app.goo.gl/xC9mCms8iVygv2zLA

[Dama]

Baboon Horus
Any papers you published on your own or as part of a team, on Gurage or its language, history or sociology/ anthropplgy? share it here. I doubt you're anything other than Arada scam artist of words.

Gurage as the origin of semitic languages is still being debated among historical linguists. It's not a finished business as you claim it to be.

Two theories floated as to the origin of semitic languages: 1)East Africa and 2)middleast
The African theory pinpoints to Gurage while the middleast theory points to the Levant. While the African assumption is narrowed to Gurage, the Levant proposal covers Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine and Sinai.

[Odie]

Here is my take.
I personally concluded that Dama is Gurage. He knows too much about gurage not to be gurage. He knows many places and gurage clans I know from his own place chaha to Geto/gomare etc. I also know the traditional gurage cultural worships he knows. Actually he knows much much better than any other gurage born outside gurage region such Birhanu nega etc. He seems to know details as if he grew up in rural area.
He also seems to know gurage history. I give him a credit for being courageous and advocate for gurage unity, language and future political direction and the risk that ethnic faces. I share with him the concern that North east gurage are not aligning with 7-bet for oneness. Specially the sodo (kistane) to prefer to show themselves as a prototype gurage with more contribution to Ethiopia (than other gurage) and infilexible to negotiate with other gurage region for common language and other things because they feel they are at the leading edge want to go their own way. Meskan being near addis they get a bit of trickle from government projects and they want to align with any ruling body in Addis than be flexible for gurage interest. OpDO/PP/OLF uses that fissure to divide and subdue gurage. I had a lot of respect for you based on your “love” for Ethiopia and good knowledge about gurage, particularly your old posts. In the past year or so, that has completely changed. You post gurage related things but mostly sodo gurage (kistane related ) things as all gurage culture. More concerning to me is all the posts about Corridor development are not critically analyzed posts vis a vis the socioeconomic turbulence the country is subjected into. There is no all representing gov in a rat killo. If abiy was Ethiopian and not ethnofascist, he would not have any reason to drone Amhara region, specially civilians, the region historically known to be most loyal to central gov and Ethiopian ideology. We have thousands of fallacies to quote to show he is not really ethiopian leader. He is ethnic extremist, dictator who thinks he is a god send wanting to b a king. He is a guy who hopes to destroy ethiopia to make his own conceptual ethiopia like a small kid. You signed to all these and keep on posting videos perhaps I would not expect from you. So, since I have quite a different view, I have moved on but abandoned confronting you.
Dama also has issues. Although he may have positive points I raised above, he keeps on having problem with christianity and respected Amhara people who contributed in their life immensely for country we have to day. Discussing history, advocating for gurage right in ethiopia is something but making an enemy for gurage or making gurage be hated is a different thing.
Having said that, all these are, I guess, our openions and don’t represent any organized political group. I guess you agree to that and our openion are ours and take responsibility to respond at such.
My last post on the issue!

[Horus]

ዳማ፣
እኔ በአማርኛ የምጽፈው ሕዝባችን በተለይ ወጣቱ እንዲያነበው ነው ። ኢቲሞሎጂ ማለት ሥረ ቃል ይባላል። አንተ አንድም የጉራጌኛ ሥረ ቃል ማቅረብ የማትችል ጉራጌ ያልሆንክ ጸረ ምኒልክ፣ ጸረ ክስታኔ ፣ ጸረ ክርስቲያ ፖለቲከኛ ነህ ።

እኔ በስረ ቃል፣ በፈትለ ቃል እና በድምጸ ቃል መሃል ያሉት ልዩነቶች ጥርት አድረጌ ማወቅ አይደለም እጠቀምባቸዋለሁ። አንተ በማታውቀው ነገር ገብተህ ትዘላብዳለህ።

አንደኛ ፣ ጀፎረ መንገድ ማለት አይደለም ፤ ለሁሉም ነገር መጠቀሚያ የሆነ የጋራ ቦታ፣ የጋርዮሽ መሬት ነው ። እንዲያውም ጥንት ሲጀመር ለከብት ግጦሽ የተተወ የማይታረስ የጋርዮሽ መሬት ነበር ። ዛሬ ላይ ከብት ይታገድበታል፣ በዓል የደረግበታል፣ ለቅሶ ይለቀስበታል፣ ጉባኤ ይደረግበታል፣ ሰርግ ይሰረግበታል ፣ መንገድም ሆኖ ያገለግላል።

በሰባት ቤት ጀፎረ፣ በሶዶ ግፈር (ገፈርሳ) በአረብኛ አል ጃፋር የተገናኙት በቀጥታ በስረ ቃልም፣ በድምጸ ቃልም፣ በፈትለ ቃልም (ፊሎሎጂ) እና በትርጉም ጭምር ነው ። በአረብኛ ጀፎረ የጋራ መሬት ማለት አይደለም ። ያ ባህል የላቸውም ። ቫሊ ወይም ሸለቆ የምትለው ዋዲ እኛ ጉራጌዎች እዲየ የምንለው የወንዝ ሸለቆ ሲሆን ሌላው ዋራን የምንለው ነው ።

አል ጃፋር ወይም አል ጋፋር ማለት በአረብኝ የተተወ ማለት ነው ። ለምሳሌ አንድን ነገር ይቅር ብሎ መተወ ጋፋር፣ ጃፋር ይባላል። በክስታኔኛ የቃሉ ጥሬ ስም ግፈር ይባላል ፤ ተው ማለት ነው። የገፈሩ ነገር የተተወ ነገር ማለት ነው። ስለዚህ ጀፎረ መሬትና ገፈርሳ መሬት ለጋራ ጥቅም የተተወ ቦታ ወይም መሬት ማለት ነው ።

ምንም አይነት የቃሉ ኢቲማም ሆነ ፊሊያ የማያሻው፣ ምንም አይነት ዲኮዲግ የማያሻው በሶስቱም ማህበረሰቦች ውስጥ ተመሳሳይ ትርጉም ያለው ቃል ነው ።

ልክ ጉርዳ እና ጎርደና ተመሳሳይ ትርጉምና ጥቅም እንዳላቸው።

ለማንኛውም ከሁሉ አስቀድመህ እንደ ባለጌ ልጅ መሳደብ አቁም! በጉራጌ አሳዳጊ የበደለው የሚባል ልጅ አለ! ሰውን የሚሰድብ ባለጌ ልጅ ባለጌ ወላጅ ያሳደገው ማለት ነው።

ሲቀጥል ጉራጌ ለመከፋፈል የተቀጠርክበትን የወያኔ ቅጥረኛነትክን አትሞክረው! የኛ ሰው በጣም ብልህና መንጣሪ አንጎል ያለው የጥንት ሕዝብ ነው! ያሳፍርሃል። ሃ ብለህ ጉራጌን በማክበር ጀምር!

ያኔ ሰው እንደ ቁም ነገር ይሰማሃል። በተረፈ እኔ የማደርገው ጥናት መችና እንዴት ለማን እንደ ምገልጽ የኔ ሥራና መብት ነው! አንተ እጅህን አፍህንም ሰብስብ ። ለማነሳው ቃል ተቃራኒ ማስረጃ ካለህ አቅርብ፣ ከሌለ ዝም በል! ዝም ያለ አፍ ዝምብ አይገባበትም!

[Horus]

ኦዴ፣
የሚከተለውን ብዬ አበቃለሁ፤
(1) የጉራጌ መሰረት ከአይመለል ካልጀረ የት ጀመረ ለሚለው ለወደፊት የታሪክ፣ አርኪዮሎጂና አንትሮፖሎጂ መርማሪዎች እንተወው ። የክስታኔ ትርክት እውነት ወይም ዉሸት መሆኑ የሚረጋገጠው ያኔ ነው።
(2) ክስታኔዎች ከሳህለስላሴ ዘመን ጀምሮ ከማዕከላዊ መንግስት ስለነበሩ በተለይ ምኒልክና ኃይለስላሴ አዲስ አበባ ሲቆረቆር ጀምሮ ማለት ነው ታሪካቸውን ተናገሩ እንጂ ሌሎች የጉራጌ ጎሳዎች ለኢትዮጵያ ግምባታ አስተዋጽኦ አላደረጉም የሚል ቃል ካፋቸው ወጥቶ አያውቅም ። በኃይለስላሴ ዘመን ሰባት ቤት ከክስታኔ እኩል በንጉሱ ዙሪያ ባለስልጣን ነበሩ፣ በጣም ብዙ ሰባት ቤቶች!
(3) ትግሬዎች ኢትዮጵያን ድፍን ለ27 አመት ሲገዙ የነብሩት የመንግስት ባለስልጣኖት በሙሉ ሰባት ቤቶች ነበሩ ። እንዲያውም ክስታኔ ወያኔን ተቃውሞ ስለነበር በመላ ሶዶ መንገድ አይደለም የዉሃ ጉድጓድ አልቆፈሩም፣ የሰባት ቤት ጉራጌ መሪዎች ። ለድፍን 27 አመት ሙሉ በሙሉ ከጉራጌ ተወግዶ የተረሳ ማህበረሰብ ክስታኔ ነበር።
(4) ይህም በመሆኑ ፣ በሰባት ቤት የወያኔ ዘመን ፖለቲከኞች ስህተት ክስታኔና መስቃን የሰባት ቤት ፖለቲከኞችን ክልልነት ጥያቄ ተቃወሙና የክክልነት ትያቄ ከሸፈ ። እኔን በተመለክተ ሂድና ጽሁፎቼን አንብብ 100% የጉራጌ ክልል እንዲሆን ደግፌያለህ ፣ ዛሬም እደፍግፋለሁ ፣ ግን አትርሳ ፣ የሶዶ ተፈታኞች ወልቂጤ ሲሄዱ የወልቂጤ ጎረምሶች ደበደቧቸው። ማለትም የዘርማ ፖለቲካ መስመር የለቀቀ ከጉራጌ ሳይኮሎጂና ብልህነት የወጣ ሆነና ሁልም ነገር ተበላሸ ።
(5) ከዚያ ባለፈ እኔ በጎሳ ፖለቲካ ላይ በፍጹም እምነት የሌለኝ ሰው ነኝ። ይህም ማለት የሆኑ ጎረምሶች የጉራጌን ብሄረተኝነት ቀስቅሰው በዘቢደርና ጎጌቲ ጫካ ውስጥ ጦር በመውጋት እና በጉራጌ መንገድና ንግድ በመዝጋት ሊያመጡ የሚችሉት ማሀበራዊ፣ ፖለቲካዊና ኢኮኖሚያዊ አዲስ ስርዓት የለም ብዬ የማምን ሰው ነኝ። ይችላሉ ካልክ የጉራጌ አጀንዳ ምን እንደ ሆነ አስተምረኝ።
(6) ስለዚህ ጉራጌ አዚም እዛም ከሚተራመሱት የጎሳ ቀውሶች በትልቀት በመማር የራሱን አጀንዳና እስትራተጂ መከተል አለበት የሚል አቋም ያለኝ ሰው ነኝ። ይህ ማለት አቢይን ወይም መለስን መደገፍ ማለት አይደለም።
(7) ዛሬም ቢሆን ክስታኔን ወቀስ እንጂ የአቢይ መንግስት ውስጥ ያምበሳውን ድርሻ የያዙት የሰባት ቤት ብልጽኛዎች ናቸው ! እስቲ አንድ የክስታኔ ከፍተኛ ባለስልጣን ብልጽኛ ጥራ!

ኬር!

[Dama]

Here is my take.
I personally concluded that Dama is Gurage. He knows too much about gurage not to be gurage. He knows many places and gurage clans I know from his own place chaha to Geto/gomare etc. I also know the traditional gurage cultural worships he knows. Actually he knows much much better than any other gurage born outside gurage region such Birhanu nega etc. He seems to know details as if he grew up in rural area.
He also seems to know gurage history. I give him a credit for being courageous and advocate for gurage unity, language and future political direction and the risk that ethnic faces. I share with him the concern that North east gurage are not aligning with 7-bet for oneness. Specially the sodo (kistane) to prefer to show themselves as a prototype gurage with more contribution to Ethiopia (than other gurage) and infilexible to negotiate with other gurage region for common language and other things because they feel they are at the leading edge want to go their own way. Meskan being near addis they get a bit of trickle from government projects and they want to align with any ruling body in Addis than be flexible for gurage interest. OpDO/PP/OLF uses that fissure to divide and subdue gurage. I had a lot of respect for you based on your “love” for Ethiopia and good knowledge about gurage, particularly your old posts. In the past year or so, that has completely changed. You post gurage related things but mostly sodo gurage (kistane related ) things as all gurage culture. More concerning to me is all the posts about Corridor development are not critically analyzed posts vis a vis the socioeconomic turbulence the country is subjected into. There is no all representing gov in a rat killo. If abiy was Ethiopian and not ethnofascist, he would not have any reason to drone Amhara region, specially civilians, the region historically known to be most loyal to central gov and Ethiopian ideology. We have thousands of fallacies to quote to show he is not really ethiopian leader. He is ethnic extremist, dictator who thinks he is a god send wanting to b a king. He is a guy who hopes to destroy ethiopia to make his own conceptual ethiopia like a small kid. You signed to all these and keep on posting videos perhaps I would not expect from you. So, since I have quite a different view, I have moved on but abandoned confronting you.
Dama also has issues. Although he may have positive points I raised above, he keeps on having problem with christianity and respected Amhara people who contributed in their life immensely for country we have to day. Discussing history, advocating for gurage right in ethiopia is something but making an enemy for gurage or making gurage be hated is a different thing.
Having said that, all these are, I guess, our openions and don’t represent any organized political group. I guess you agree to that and our openion are ours and take responsibility to respond at such.
My last post on the issue!

Odie
Correction:
1. My birthplace is Gubrye, it used to be a small farm town with a junior high school up to 8th Grade, when I grew up.

2. You should not equate hating feudalism/monarchy or conquest of Gurage by Menelick to hating Amara. They are not equal. Hating a political system established by elites from a group does equal to the race or ethnic group or the religion of those elites.
Our ancestors were not wrong resisting Menelick's violent conquest of Gurage. Arsi were not wrong resisting Menelick's violent conquest. Welaita was not. Sidamo was not. Hadiya was not. Kembata was not. Harar was not. Ogaden was not. All these were independent kingdoms more established, richer and with longer histories than Shewa was. Kingdoms lived independent of each other. What they did not have and Shewa had was the Italian and French weapons and intelligence. There were no contacts to speak of between Shewa and the other victim kingdoms. Gurage did not speak a word of Amharic.

Our ancestors fought a war declared against them for refusing annexation to Shewa kingdom for 15 years between 1878-1890. If you believe our ancestors right to resist to mantain their historic independence against violent conquest by another group was right, you shouldn't rewrite history. Or at least oppose anyone who corrupts it. Expanding territory by violence to make a larger polity or kingdom, by whites afainst Africans, by Israelis against Palestinians, by one king in Ethiopia against other kings is evil as it entails genocides, dispossitions, impoverishments, loss of human dignity, despair and hopelessness. There will be no reason to object to the Oromo annexations of Chebo and Sodo jida Gurages if you believe territory expansion by another when it can is well and good.

Opposing violent conquest, opposing all evils that accompanied it such as sale of Gurage innocents, male jenital amputaions such as the case of Balch Aba Nefso, not an isolated incident, dispossession of Gurages of their lands for neftenya settlers, in short hating a political system of a murderous political group does not equal to hating Amara.

Ethiopians hated TPLF but not the people of Tigrey. Ethiopians hate OPDO/PP but not the ordinary people of Oromo.

100,000s of Ethiopians opposed Menelick. More Amaras than anyone opposed Haile Sellasie. Gojjam peasants were bombed because tglhey objected increased agri tax. Amara activists were in the forefront. No less were Oromo, Tigrey, Somali, Gurage, Welaita and Dorze (the Mengistu Neway brothers) political change seekers opposed fedualism and the monarcky. None were accused of hating Amaras but the political systems of monarchy and feudalism. I was no diffetent. And I am no different. It's history. But histories will be remembered. When remembered, it's how it was hated and discredited. No one had the power to preserve the Ethiopian feudalism and monarcky. It will remain condemned. This does equate to condemning Amara other than Haile Sellasie and Menelick, their political sysyem and the crimes they committed against Ethiopians to maintain their oppressive systems.

There is no need on your part to pit me against the Amara people. You won't find me committing such an error. But you should not placate oppressive Amara rulers by invoking the Amara people as a shield.
Or if you belive the end justies the means, you should support Clown Abiy droning Amara because he wants to establish unchecked strong central or unitary govment in Arat Kilo.

[Dama]

Baboon Horus

Write in any language of your choice for your own reasons. No kids on this forum. Just so you know.
I write in Latin scripts because I do not have Geez scripts.

I have said enough: I don't find you convincing about your hoola you know this, you know that. Rather shocked by your lies and in fact cheating intellectually. Yoyr shallowness of reasonings is childish.

Your self-claimed linguistic wizardry doess not hold water..
...Jefwar has no other meaning other than street
....community owned grazing land is called hebir in Chaha
......Jaffar in Arabic means creek...

Jefwar in Gurage and jaffar in Arabic are not derived from each other. They mean completely different things.

No, your knowledge of Gurage or Etgiopia are not impressive either. Not at all. If they are, it's all in your head you think you're the best. Delusion? I doubt it but you have not shown it.


A word about your accusation that I hate:
1. Menelick...
You're right 200%. Mekes Zeradwa, 100%, Clown Abiy 200%
2. Christianity.. you must be hallucinating
3. Kistane

Nope. I do not hate your clan people but those elites who made anti-Gurage unity.I hate you for defending them.
I presented facts that Kistane betrayed Gurage twice: in 1878 and 2023. These are documented histories for generations to come.

The first betrayal in 1878 contributed to the defeat of Gurage by neftenya Menelick.

The second betrayal caused the abandonemnent of two Gurage zone projects, namely, a)the united fight for the Gurage federalnl Region, and b)Gurage wide movement for a standard written Gurage language for Gurage admin, media, schools.

[Dama]

Baboon Horus

Write in any language of your choice for your own reasons. No kids on this forum. Just so you know.
I write in Latin scripts because I do not have Geez scripts.

I have said enough: I don't find you convincing about your hoola you know this, you know that. Rather shocked by your lies and in fact cheating intellectually. Yoyr shallowness of reasonings is childish.

Your self-claimed linguistic wizardry doess not hold water..
...Jefwar has no other meaning other than street
....community owned grazing land is called hebir in Chaha
......Jaffar in Arabic means creek...

Jefwar in Gurage and jaffar in Arabic are not derived from each other. They mean completely different things.

No, your knowledge of Gurage or Etgiopia are not impressive either. Not at all. If they are, it's all in your head you think you're the best. Delusion? I doubt it but you have not shown it.


A word about your accusation that I hate:
1. Menelick...
You're right 200%. Mekes Zeradwa, 100%, Clown Abiy 200%
2. Christianity.. you must be hallucinating
3. Kistane

Nope. I do not hate your clan people but those elites who made anti-Gurage unity.I hate you for defending them.
I presented facts that Kistane betrayed Gurage twice: in 1878 and 2023. These are documented histories for generations to come.

The first betrayal in 1878 contributed to the defeat of Gurage by neftenya Menelick.

The second betrayal caused the abandonemnent of two Gurage zone projects, namely, a)the united fight for the Gurage federalnl Region, and b)Gurage wide movement for a standard written Gurage language for Gurage admin, media, schools.

[Horus]

Baboon Horus
Any papers you published on your own or as part of a team, on Gurage or its language, history or sociology/ anthropplgy? share it here. I doubt you're anything other than Arada scam artist of words.

Gurage as the origin of semitic languages is still being debated among historical linguists. It's not a finished business as you claim it to be.

Two theories floated as to the origin of semitic languages: 1)East Africa and 2)middleast
The African theory pinpoints to Gurage while the middleast theory points to the Levant. While the African assumption is narrowed to Gurage, the Levant proposal covers Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine and Sinai.

በቃ ውይይቱን እዚህ እናቁመው።
ዋናው ነጥብ ጉራ ስለ ሚለው ቃል ነበር። ያን አስረግጬልሃለሁ። አይ ካልክ መራጅህን አቅርብ። መላ ሰባት ቤቶችን የሚነካው ጀፎረ ምን ማለት እንደ ሆነ ሰጥቼሃለሁ። አይ ካልክ መረጃ አቅርብ። ይህን ውይይት ሳትዘጋ (intellectual dishonesty) ዘለህ አዲስ አርስት ጉራጌኛ የሴም ቋንቋዎች አባት ነው ወይስ አይደለም የሚል አርስት ትከፍታለህ!!! አንተ ግን አንድም ነገር ለማረጋገጥ ወይም ለመቀበል ሃላፊነት የለብህም ማለት ነው!!! አብቅቻለሁ በበኩሌ።

[Dama]

Baboon Horus
Any papers you published on your own or as part of a team, on Gurage or its language, history or sociology/ anthropplgy? share it here. I doubt you're anything other than Arada scam artist of words.

Gurage as the origin of semitic languages is still being debated among historical linguists. It's not a finished business as you claim it to be.

Two theories floated as to the origin of semitic languages: 1)East Africa and 2)middleast
The African theory pinpoints to Gurage while the middleast theory points to the Levant. While the African assumption is narrowed to Gurage, the Levant proposal covers Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine and Sinai.

በቃ ውይይቱን እዚህ እናቁመው።
ዋናው ነጥብ ጉራ ስለ ሚለው ቃል ነበር። ያን አስረግጬልሃለሁ። አይ ካልክ መራጅህን አቅርብ። መላ ሰባት ቤቶችን የሚነካው ጀፎረ ምን ማለት እንደ ሆነ ሰጥቼሃለሁ። አይ ካልክ መረጃ አቅርብ። ይህን ውይይት ሳትዘጋ (intellectual dishonesty) ዘለህ አዲስ አርስት ጉራጌኛ የሴም ቋንቋዎች አባት ነው ወይስ አይደለም የሚል አርስት ትከፍታለህ!!! አንተ ግን አንድም ነገር ለማረጋገጥ ወይም ለመቀበል ሃላፊነት የለብህም ማለት ነው!!! አብቅቻለሁ በበኩሌ።

In your head, you are what you think you are. Excellent. But to me and others you are no wheere near good. Most disturbing is your dishonesty, your lies.

I cannot expose your wrongs more than I did. Jefwar and jaffar have no connection. And Jafwar is not a community grazing land. Hebir is the communiry grazing land.
I just hope you are not a teacher.