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[temari]

In my view, one of the major source of conflict and mistrust between Ethiopia and Eritrea has its origins from a divorce that’s still not fully completed and is being dragged for decades.

Eritrea rightly feels threatened by Ethiopian governments due to their tendencies to not respect the sovereignty of Eritrea and at the same time Ethiopian governments feel threatened by Eritrea’s involvement in the internal affairs of Ethiopia.

Now that TPLF is no more in power, why is Eritrea not demanding the official demarcation of the border based on the international court decision and try to seal the border? This would be supported by the UN and most western governments, I think. This would finally complete the divorce and give Eritrea a chance finally to focus on and develop itself. At the same time this will end the endless accusations of western medias that Eritrea is occupying Tigray territory.

For some reason, I don’t see Eritrea demanding the official border demarcation. Can someone explain to me why?

[Deqi-Arawit]

In my view, one of the major source of conflict and mistrust between Ethiopia and Eritrea has its origins from a divorce that’s still not completed and is being dragged for decades.

Eritrea rightly feels threatened by Ethiopian governments due to their tendencies to not respect the sovereignty of Eritrea and at the same time Ethiopian governments feel threatened by Eritrea’s involvement in the internal affairs of Ethiopia.

Why is Eritrea not demanding the official demarcation of the border based on the international court decision and try to seal the border? This would be supported by the UN and most western governments, I think. This would finally complete the divorce and give Eritrea a chance finally to focus on and develop itself. At the same time this will end the endless accusations of western medias that Eritrea is occupying Tigray territory.

For some reason, I don’t see Eritrea demanding the official border demarcation. Can someone explain to me why?

Excellent question....

[Dark Energy]

Temari,

That is a very good question. There are still Ethiopianists aka unionists on the Eritrean side. They shut the people’s voice for the last thirty years, and the idiots keep denying it. BTW, you are the smartest forumer on this platform. You have integrity. You have my respect.

[quindibu]

Temari,

Ethiopia's and Eritrea's border has been officially demarcated. If the question is about putting markers on the ground, that is another issue.

I have heard the PP government had a 'situation room' and was able to monitor the TPLF's movement during the war, according to them. If Ethiopia owns that kind of technology, I don't think it would have hard-time identifying the exact location of its border, since the virtual demarcation was done and is sitting at the UN.

BTW, marking the border won't change human's behavior........Agames knew exactly Badme didn't belong to Tigray, yet........

[Fiyameta]

First of all, there can never be a divorce in the absence of a marriage. Now that we got that out of the way....

The border has been clearly, legally and permanently demarcated by a set of geographical coordinates with no room for either negotiation or alteration.

The process for placing boundary markers on the ground is the responsibility of the United Nations that has so far been reluctant to meet its obligations due to the unwillingness of its largest financial contributor that keeps putting new hurdles to frustrate the process. We recently had to cross 1.5 million hurdles before crossing the Finish Line. Go figure! The Marathon Continues.

[Right]

Temari
You are sleepless worried about Eritrea. You will be better off discussing that on an Eritrean forum.
That may save it from extinction.

[Temt]

In my view, one of the major source of conflict and mistrust between Ethiopia and Eritrea has its origins from a divorce that’s still not fully completed and is being dragged for decades.

Eritrea rightly feels threatened by Ethiopian governments due to their tendencies to not respect the sovereignty of Eritrea and at the same time Ethiopian governments feel threatened by Eritrea’s involvement in the internal affairs of Ethiopia.

Now that TPLF is no more in power, why is Eritrea not demanding the official demarcation of the border based on the international court decision and try to seal the border? This would be supported by the UN and most western governments, I think. This would finally complete the divorce and give Eritrea a chance finally to focus on and develop itself. At the same time this will end the endless accusations of western medias that Eritrea is occupying Tigray territory.

For some reason, I don’t see Eritrea demanding the official border demarcation. Can someone explain to me why?

Temari, as Fiyameta correctly stated, there can be no "divorce" on a nonexisting "Marriage" political or otherwise. Remember Eritrea was forcefully and illegally annexed by Haileselasie. That being history, you are right, Eritrea is a proud independent nation. While its boundaries are virtually marked in no unmistakable geographical terms, we thought we were giving the dishonest PM Abiy some time to negotiate with the Weyanes who were obstructing the process of transferring the Northern Command to Bahrdar by blocking its movement using old women and children lying down on the road. That was not surprising for we never expected any goodness from the Agame leaders. But the guy we trusted to hold his word was killing time using his Agame mentors until he felt he was ready to invade unsuspecting Eritrea. Little did he know that Eritrea would kick his [deleted] should he attempt to do so.

[temari]

The federation was a legal marriage but the final phase of the divorce, the border demarcation, is still not completed. One of the main parts of divorce is for the courts to decide who takes what. The international court has already decided but the physical demarcation is still dragging for decades and still for unknown reason Eritrea is not demanding this final and crucial phase of divorce to take place.

Some of you are saying that is the job of the IC and I agree with that but isn’t it in the Eritrean interest to make this issue a priority and constantly demand and officially request for the physical demarcation and close the final chapter to focus on itself? Do you think it’s in the interest of Eritrea to leave this important issue to be implemented in the future in that very volatile region?

I still don’t understand how this issue is not a priority for Eritrea. I deeply believe that completing the divorce would also help Ethiopia to focus on itself. Ethiopia can prosper if future leaders of Ethiopia focus on the resources and opportunity of the vast country has and not focus on our neighbors and their ports. That’s also the reason why I want the final phase of demarcation to be completed to never give Ethiopian leaders an excuse to externalize their failures.

[Dark Energy]

Temari,

Ethiopian leaders are looking at some of those Eritrean in power unionists and their anti independence activities. hence they will never concentrate on developing Ethiopia. They see is a dim of hope of bringing Eritrea back into the Union.

[Fed_Up]

Temari,

Ethiopian leaders are looking at some of those Eritrean in power unionists and their anti independence activities. hence they will never concentrate on developing Ethiopia. They see is a dim of hope of bringing Eritrea back into the Union.

I can’t believe this ^^^ idiot is blabbering behalf of Eritrea and Eritreans. ሓርኢ ወ ሓርኢ::
(Note: Readers please disregard the oldie aka Dark energy the low IQ illiterate blabbering. He is not an Eritrean.)

[Fiyameta]

Please be patient with us while we conduct our studies on how the Great Wall of China was built. The Great Eritrean Renaissance Wall will offer excellent employment opportunities for thousands of Tegaru men and women who will be paid in generous sacks of wheat to build the Great Wall from their side of the border until the last brick is laid, and until we no longer see their faces.

[eritrea]

Temari raises the issue of marking the boundary not because he believes there is any ambiguity on the subject at hand. But to do what is typical for an Ethiopian to do. To go round and round to finish at the end on the same spot at best or even worse to get totally lost.

If the UN lived up to its charters, it should have invoked Chapter VII
of the UN charter against Woyane when it kicked out the Cartography unit that was responsible for placing the marker on the border. They finished putting marker on the border on the east (Burie and the entire Dankali ) side though. But not on the middle and west side.

When UN got parlayed to take action. The court in Hague decided to end the process by marking the border digitally by GPS coordinates.

If there are countries that have well-defined borders with their neighboring countries, those are only Eritrea and Ethiopia.

[Dark Energy]

Aregit wurunchilla Feddy,

You are not Eritrean. Face it idiot. You are anti Eritrean. They put a rope on your neck, they can lead you anywhere. You got my undeserved attention now. ብሽልሖ ሰባኡት ዝምካሕ ኣድጊ

[quindibu]

The federation was a legal marriage but the final phase of the divorce, the border demarcation, is still not completed. One of the main parts of divorce is for the courts to decide who takes what. The international court has already decided but the physical demarcation is still dragging for decades and still for unknown reason Eritrea is not demanding this final and crucial phase of divorce to take place.

Some of you are saying that is the job of the IC and I agree with that but isn’t it in the Eritrean interest to make this issue a priority and constantly demand and officially request for the physical demarcation and close the final chapter to focus on itself? Do you think it’s in the interest of Eritrea to leave this important issue to be implemented in the future in that very volatile region?

I still don’t understand how this issue is not a priority for Eritrea. I deeply believe that completing the divorce would also help Ethiopia to focus on itself. Ethiopia can prosper if future leaders of Ethiopia focus on the resources and opportunity of the vast country has and not focus on our neighbors and their ports. That’s also the reason why I want the final phase of demarcation to be completed to never give Ethiopian leaders an excuse to externalize their failures.

Temari,

Usually you're one of the few reasonable people from the other side. But in this post, I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate.

But let's begin from the facts. Like some of my compatriots mentioned, there was no legality about the annexation, hence the 30 years bloodshed. The other point is, I believe peace is in the interest of both parties. As such, we can flip the question and ask why isn't Ethiopia insist on the demarcation of the border as well.

I have said it many times before and I will repeat it again. Peace reins in the region only when we have leaders who recognise their self-interest and care about their people's lives........No amount of physical barrier will stop one from provoking others if one is convinced that seeking external enemies is the only tool that can unite a nation.

Cheers!

[Somaliman]

In my view, one of the major source of conflict and mistrust between Ethiopia and Eritrea has its origins from a divorce that’s still not fully completed and is being dragged for decades.

Eritrea rightly feels threatened by Ethiopian governments due to their tendencies to not respect the sovereignty of Eritrea and at the same time Ethiopian governments feel threatened by Eritrea’s involvement in the internal affairs of Ethiopia.

Now that TPLF is no more in power, why is Eritrea not demanding the official demarcation of the border based on the international court decision and try to seal the border? This would be supported by the UN and most western governments, I think. This would finally complete the divorce and give Eritrea a chance finally to focus on and develop itself. At the same time this will end the endless accusations of western medias that Eritrea is occupying Tigray territory.

For some reason, I don’t see Eritrea demanding the official border demarcation. Can someone explain to me why?

There's no divorce to complete with Ethiopia, you can go fuc.k her if you want, Eritreans are done with her.

FYI, borders between more than 40 counties in Africa are not demarcated, and 28 of them are subject to ongoing disputes. The border between Eritrea and Ethiopia is not among those that are subject to disputes. But Eritrea's border with Djibouti is a disputed border.


Do you think the border between Somalia and Ethiopia is demarcated? No, it's not.

In case you really want to know the border between Eritrea and Ethiopia, just walk or drive to Eritrea and Eritreans will show you where's the border the hard way by shooting the sh.it out of you as soon as you start to entering their land.

Hope this helps.

I keep educating fu.cking Ethiopians on this forum free of charge, yet they want to misappropriate my ancestral land back home without even my consent! What greedy fuc.kers!

[temari]

In my view, one of the major source of conflict and mistrust between Ethiopia and Eritrea has its origins from a divorce that’s still not fully completed and is being dragged for decades.

Eritrea rightly feels threatened by Ethiopian governments due to their tendencies to not respect the sovereignty of Eritrea and at the same time Ethiopian governments feel threatened by Eritrea’s involvement in the internal affairs of Ethiopia.

Now that TPLF is no more in power, why is Eritrea not demanding the official demarcation of the border based on the international court decision and try to seal the border? This would be supported by the UN and most western governments, I think. This would finally complete the divorce and give Eritrea a chance finally to focus on and develop itself. At the same time this will end the endless accusations of western medias that Eritrea is occupying Tigray territory.

For some reason, I don’t see Eritrea demanding the official border demarcation. Can someone explain to me why?

There's no divorce to complete with Ethiopia, you can go fuc.k her if you want, Eritreans are done with her.

FYI, borders between more than 40 counties in Africa are not demarcated, and 28 of them are subject to ongoing disputes. The border between Eritrea and Ethiopia is not among those that are subject to disputes. But Eritrea's border with Djibouti is a disputed border.


Do you think the border between Somalia and Ethiopia is demarcated? No, it's not.

In case you really want to know the border between Eritrea and Ethiopia, just walk or drive to Eritrea and Eritreans will show you where's the border the hard way by shooting the sh.it out of you as soon as you start to entering their land.

Hope this helps.

I keep educating fu.cking Ethiopians on this forum free of charge, yet they want to misappropriate my ancestral land back home without even my consent! What greedy fuc.kers!

Talkative moron, you don't even grasp what the topic at hand is all about.

[temari]

The federation was a legal marriage but the final phase of the divorce, the border demarcation, is still not completed. One of the main parts of divorce is for the courts to decide who takes what. The international court has already decided but the physical demarcation is still dragging for decades and still for unknown reason Eritrea is not demanding this final and crucial phase of divorce to take place.

Some of you are saying that is the job of the IC and I agree with that but isn’t it in the Eritrean interest to make this issue a priority and constantly demand and officially request for the physical demarcation and close the final chapter to focus on itself? Do you think it’s in the interest of Eritrea to leave this important issue to be implemented in the future in that very volatile region?

I still don’t understand how this issue is not a priority for Eritrea. I deeply believe that completing the divorce would also help Ethiopia to focus on itself. Ethiopia can prosper if future leaders of Ethiopia focus on the resources and opportunity of the vast country has and not focus on our neighbors and their ports. That’s also the reason why I want the final phase of demarcation to be completed to never give Ethiopian leaders an excuse to externalize their failures.

Temari,

Usually you're one of the few reasonable people from the other side. But in this post, I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate.

But let's begin from the facts. Like some of my compatriots mentioned, there was no legality about the annexation, hence the 30 years bloodshed. The other point is, I believe peace is in the interest of both parties. As such, we can flip the question and ask why isn't Ethiopia insist on the demarcation of the border as well.

I have said it many times before and I will repeat it again. Peace reins in the region only when we have leaders who recognise their self-interest and care about their people's lives........No amount of physical barrier will stop one from provoking others if one is convinced that seeking external enemies is the only tool that can unite a nation.

Cheers!

quindibu, you raised reasonable points and I will try to address them.

The divorce is just a metaphor we can agree to disagree on, that is not the main focal point here. My understanding is that the federation was a legal act that was approved by the UN. On the other hand, the annexation that came AFTER the federation triggered the independence struggle and started the divorce process.

Anyway, the other point you raised is more interesting. You asked why Ethiopia is not insisting on the demarcation. If we had a leadership that is visionary and strategic, yes it would and should have worked hard to complete this phase of our history by insisting on the demarcation of the border based on the international ruling. Unfortunately, we are not blessed with such a government. On the contrary, it is using exactly this issue to blame its catastrophic economic performance on the lack of ports which is of course nonensese and factually not true. The current setting helps the government to externalize its weakness and hence it seems our government has no interest in finalizing the demarcation.

That is exactly the reason why I'm turning to Eritrea to help end this saga once and for all. I also agree with your point that no amount of physical barrier will stop an irresponsible government from provoking others. My point is, that currently, it is only Eritrea that can push hard for the demarcation and bring this issue to the focus of the international community and hopefully help end this chapter. The beneficiaries will be both countries and not only Eritrea. Even though this step will not prevent future irresponsible governments from provoking, still I think it will help both countries one step in the right direction, i.e. focus on their own issues.

[eden]

temar,

The government of Eritrea aka Isayas has told the Eritrean people point blank that badme (demarcation) is not a priority. I can look for the clip if anyone cares.

To answer your question directly, Isayas opposes the demarcation. Why? He figures his brutal reign is being tolerated domestically because of this very unresolved foreign affair. Demarcation helps the country, it hurts Isayas.

My guess is if demarcation happens even fendadaw will dump him.

[Temt]

temar,

The government of Eritrea aka Isayas has told the Eritrean people point blank that badme (demarcation) is not a priority. I can look for the clip if anyone cares.

To answer your question directly, Isayas opposes the demarcation. Why? He figures his brutal reign is being tolerated domestically because of this very unresolved foreign affair. Demarcation helps the country, it hurts Isayas.

My guess is if demarcation happens even fendadaw will dump him.

STFU Ugum boy! PIA does not oppose the border demarcation as you claim. He said that the Eritrean border is one of the most well-demarcated borders in Africa, and the fact that it had already been virtually delimited, the priority is to ascertain peace in our neighborhood. our border ain't going nowhere. Badme has not been demarcated thanks to you Weyane crap heads, yet Badme is and will always remain on the right side of the un-demarcated borderline coo-coo head.

[sarcasm]

The main issue has to do with how to deal with the villages in this straight line. The villages in the area are densely populated. Implementing the border commission decision as it is will result in splitting many villages into two countries. This villages will lose their churches, burial places, farmlands and grazing areas for their cattle. Ethiopia wants to implement the decision in a way that no village would lose its church, burial places etc. Isiais also understands that Eritrea does not gain anything by splitting villages into two. But keeping the file open will help to sustain the conflict so that when Ethiopia does not have a government Isiais likes, then he would bring the conflict alive.

look at the red line

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